• Hit 2? 2

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 09:19:13 2022
    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB--Ad-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 165 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

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    Tim Chow

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  • From atilamalcok@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 7 02:28:54 2022
    6 Mayıs 2022 Cuma tarihinde saat 16:19:16 UTC+3 itibarıyla Tim Chow şunları yazdı:
    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB--Ad-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 165 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

    ---
    Tim Chow
    O's 4s are very decisive

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 17:14:11 2022
    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB--Ad-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 165 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

    Hitting twice seemed natural to me, but at some point in a blot-hitting contest, it may be better to consolidate your advantage than to risk
    losing it by continuing to hit. Here, I think I underestimated the
    value of buttoning up on the 16pt (see variant for comparison).

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/20* 20/16 eq:+0.464
    Player: 61.55% (G:14.07% B:0.69%)
    Opponent: 38.45% (G:8.95% B:0.32%)
    Confidence: ±0.015 (+0.449..+0.480) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/20* 8/4* eq:+0.370 (-0.095)
    Player: 58.40% (G:17.60% B:1.01%)
    Opponent: 41.60% (G:10.07% B:0.48%)
    Confidence: ±0.017 (+0.353..+0.387) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

    -------
    Variant
    -------

    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB-A-d-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 164 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

    1. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 8/4* eq:+0.372
    Player: 58.25% (G:17.70% B:0.91%)
    Opponent: 41.75% (G:9.83% B:0.46%)

    2. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 20/16 eq:+0.333 (-0.038)
    Player: 58.66% (G:14.92% B:0.70%)
    Opponent: 41.34% (G:10.16% B:0.40%)

    3. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 15/11 eq:+0.320 (-0.052)
    Player: 57.85% (G:14.99% B:0.64%)
    Opponent: 42.15% (G:9.35% B:0.35%)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Thu May 12 21:02:43 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 5:14:25 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB--Ad-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 165 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54
    Hitting twice seemed natural to me, but at some point in a blot-hitting contest, it may be better to consolidate your advantage than to risk
    losing it by continuing to hit. Here, I think I underestimated the
    value of buttoning up on the 16pt (see variant for comparison).

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/20* 20/16 eq:+0.464
    Player: 61.55% (G:14.07% B:0.69%)
    Opponent: 38.45% (G:8.95% B:0.32%)
    Confidence: ±0.015 (+0.449..+0.480) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/20* 8/4* eq:+0.370 (-0.095)
    Player: 58.40% (G:17.60% B:1.01%)
    Opponent: 41.60% (G:10.07% B:0.48%)
    Confidence: ±0.017 (+0.353..+0.387) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

    -------
    Variant
    -------

    XGID=--a-a-D-D-B-dB-A-d-da-A--A:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10
    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 164 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54
    1. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 8/4* eq:+0.372
    Player: 58.25% (G:17.70% B:0.91%)
    Opponent: 41.75% (G:9.83% B:0.46%)

    2. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 20/16 eq:+0.333 (-0.038)
    Player: 58.66% (G:14.92% B:0.70%)
    Opponent: 41.34% (G:10.16% B:0.40%)

    3. XG Roller++ Bar/20* 15/11 eq:+0.320 (-0.052)
    Player: 57.85% (G:14.99% B:0.64%)
    Opponent: 42.15% (G:9.35% B:0.35%)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

    ---
    Tim Chow

    The difference in plays isn't nearly as much as your rollout indicates. Variance really at work.

    Stick

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