• Rarely is the question asked: "Is we learning from MCG?"

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 13:10:01 2022
    The following position (which I solved correctly OTB) seems to
    be of the type that was addressed by an article Tim posted.
    Unfortunately, I couldn't remember the content, but I got it right
    anyway (with no confidence, though).

    Paul

    XGID=b-B-BCDAA---c----bbbbbB---:2:1:1:00:2:4:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon


    Score is X:2 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | X |
    | O | | X X | +---+
    | O | | X X X X | | 4 |
    | O X X | | X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 149 X-O: 2-4
    Cube: 4, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Tue May 3 22:36:17 2022
    On 5/3/2022 4:10 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=b-B-BCDAA---c----bbbbbB---:2:1:1:00:2:4:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon


    Score is X:2 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | X |
    | O | | X X | +---+
    | O | | X X X X | | 4 |
    | O X X | | X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 149 X-O: 2-4
    Cube: 4, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    O has a five-prime and if X does not roll a 6 then he'll be a bit
    short on timing. Plus X has only a four-point board. Despite the
    gammon risk, I think this is a clear take. Not sure about the double.
    I think I would hold off unless I thought I would get a pass.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Wed May 4 02:35:44 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:36:21 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 5/3/2022 4:10 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=b-B-BCDAA---c----bbbbbB---:2:1:1:00:2:4:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon


    Score is X:2 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | X |
    | O | | X X | +---+
    | O | | X X X X | | 4 |
    | O X X | | X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 149 X-O: 2-4
    Cube: 4, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    O has a five-prime and if X does not roll a 6 then he'll be a bit
    short on timing. Plus X has only a four-point board. Despite the
    gammon risk, I think this is a clear take. Not sure about the double.
    I think I would hold off unless I thought I would get a pass.

    I (correctly) doubled. However, I wasn't at all confident of this, and
    while waiting for the evaluation, I was anticipating my double being flagged. it rolled out to a clear double and a clear take but the details are on my other computer.
    I'll post them this evening.

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Wed May 4 02:39:33 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:36:21 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 5/3/2022 4:10 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=b-B-BCDAA---c----bbbbbB---:2:1:1:00:2:4:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon


    Score is X:2 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | X |
    | O | | X X | +---+
    | O | | X X X X | | 4 |
    | O X X | | X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 149 X-O: 2-4
    Cube: 4, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    O has a five-prime and if X does not roll a 6 then he'll be a bit
    short on timing. Plus X has only a four-point board. Despite the
    gammon risk, I think this is a clear take. Not sure about the double.
    I think I would hold off unless I thought I would get a pass.

    Also, I resulted a bit while I was thinking about this.
    My next roll after the D/T was 55, and this increased my feelings
    of insecurity about the double. (Completely irrationally of course).

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Wed May 4 12:41:30 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 10:39:34 AM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:36:21 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 5/3/2022 4:10 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=b-B-BCDAA---c----bbbbbB---:2:1:1:00:2:4:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon


    Score is X:2 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | O O | | O O O X |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | X |
    | O | | X X | +---+
    | O | | X X X X | | 4 |
    | O X X | | X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 149 X-O: 2-4
    Cube: 4, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    O has a five-prime and if X does not roll a 6 then he'll be a bit
    short on timing. Plus X has only a four-point board. Despite the
    gammon risk, I think this is a clear take. Not sure about the double.
    I think I would hold off unless I thought I would get a pass.
    Also, I resulted a bit while I was thinking about this.
    My next roll after the D/T was 55, and this increased my feelings
    of insecurity about the double. (Completely irrationally of course).

    It's time for the after-dinner speech by your host: Rolly Rollout
    I wasn't lying or joking when I said "Clear double, clear take."

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No redouble
    Player Winning Chances: 60.86% (G:44.02% B:0.53%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 39.14% (G:8.14% B:0.38%)
    Redouble/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 60.98% (G:44.14% B:0.56%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 39.02% (G:8.13% B:0.35%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.578, Double=+1.164

    Cubeful Equities:
    No redouble: +0.720 (-0.097)
    Redouble/Take: +0.817
    Redouble/Pass: +1.000 (+0.183)

    Best Cube action: Redouble / Take

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.013 (+0.707..+0.733)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.019 (+0.798..+0.836)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 41 minutes 15 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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