• Trivial take but can I venture a cube here?

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 3 13:41:42 2021
    XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
    10

    Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O X O O O X |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    Paul

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 3 21:24:26 2021
    On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon 10

    Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O X O O O X |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
    is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
    fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
    but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Sat Aug 7 02:03:14 2021
    On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:56:32 AM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:24:30 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon 10

    Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O X O O O X |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
    is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
    fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
    but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.

    ---
    Tim Chow
    It is actually a clear (but somewhat marginal) TG, which surprised me slightly.
    I'm quite busy so it might be a week or so before I can do the rollout.
    You don't seem to have properly considered TG. You don't explicitly say that its not worth
    consideration but none of your analysis is about market gaining.

    Paul

    "clear but somewhat marginal" might sound contradictory.
    If I remember correctly, the analysis/ partial rollout gave a marginal TG.
    But I say "clear" because it wasn't so close as to put the TG verdict in doubt. Something like 0.03 or 0.04, I think.

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Sat Aug 7 01:56:31 2021
    On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:24:30 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 8/3/2021 4:41 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-aBBBCC-----A----a-bAebdA-:1:1:1:00:3:4:3:0:X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon 10

    Score is X:3 O:4. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O X O O O X |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 107 O: 78 X-O: 3-4
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    This doesn't look like a trivial take to me. O's only real asset
    is her pip count lead. She still has a four-point board but it's
    fragile, with lots of semi-dead checkers. I would pass this one,
    but I don't think it's TG, so D/P.

    ---
    Tim Chow

    It is actually a clear (but somewhat marginal) TG, which surprised me slightly. I'm quite busy so it might be a week or so before I can do the rollout.
    You don't seem to have properly considered TG. You don't explicitly say that its not worth
    consideration but none of your analysis is about market gaining.

    Paul

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