• Early(ish) blitz cube action

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 26 17:26:39 2022
    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AcB---abcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 145 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Sat Mar 26 17:28:52 2022
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 9:26:43 PM UTC, Tim Chow wrote:
    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AcB---abcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 145 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action


    A clear double with two in the air.
    I would take this, but without much confidence.
    Extricating those back men can be difficult and we don't have much ammunition at the front.
    If X can move a back checker and simultaneously cover the 5 point blot, X will normally lose
    market hugely. So it is a double.

    Mr. Take-Blitz-Cubes

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 09:57:15 2022
    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AcB---abcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 145 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    I had some trouble judging O's defensive potential here since I
    didn't have a good reference position memorized. If I had had
    to guess, I would have guessed that X would win a little over
    40% gammons from here, but according to the rollout, it's close
    to 50%. Move O's outfield blot back to the midpoint and XG
    says it's a take.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 65.47% (G:47.94% B:1.68%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 34.53% (G:10.07% B:0.77%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 65.79% (G:48.51% B:1.50%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 34.21% (G:10.18% B:0.80%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.841 (-0.159)
    Double/Take: +1.146 (+0.146)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.014 (+0.827..+0.855)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.020 (+1.126..+1.165)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Variant
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    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AdB----bcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | O | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 150 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 63.48% (G:44.82% B:0.49%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.52% (G:10.52% B:0.74%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 63.87% (G:45.69% B:0.41%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.13% (G:10.72% B:0.76%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.778 (-0.191)
    Double/Take: +0.968
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.032)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.012 (+0.765..+0.790)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.017 (+0.951..+0.986)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Mon Mar 28 09:27:45 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 2:57:19 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AcB---abcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 145 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    I had some trouble judging O's defensive potential here since I
    didn't have a good reference position memorized. If I had had
    to guess, I would have guessed that X would win a little over
    40% gammons from here, but according to the rollout, it's close
    to 50%. Move O's outfield blot back to the midpoint and XG
    says it's a take.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 65.47% (G:47.94% B:1.68%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 34.53% (G:10.07% B:0.77%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 65.79% (G:48.51% B:1.50%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 34.21% (G:10.18% B:0.80%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.841 (-0.159)
    Double/Take: +1.146 (+0.146)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.014 (+0.827..+0.855)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.020 (+1.126..+1.165)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=bB--BAC-B--AdB----bcb-b-B-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
    X:Player 2 O:Player 1
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | O | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 134 O: 150 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 63.48% (G:44.82% B:0.49%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.52% (G:10.52% B:0.74%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 63.87% (G:45.69% B:0.41%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.13% (G:10.72% B:0.76%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.778 (-0.191)
    Double/Take: +0.968
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.032)


    It's a good problem together with its variant.
    Someone drunk in a pub in Essex, drowning her sorrows in beer after
    her football team has been knocked out of the FA cup, might misconstrue
    the difference in the two positions exactly the other way, and assume that the variant is
    worse for the underdog because of the lost opportunity to make the 8 point.
    I know it's hard to believe that someone would show such a basic misunderstanding,
    but alcohol combined with grief can addle one's thinking.
    There's a price to be paid for putting the clocks forward in that people can now start drinking earlier.

    Paul

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