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  • AI Factory Backgammon founders slams XG!

    From Nasti Chestikov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 08:00:05 2021
    In the comments.

    https://backgammonapps.blogspot.com/2021/11/my-first-android-review-backgammon-by.html

    Calls its analysis "defective"!

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 13:12:35 2021
    I think on redit it was also mentioned. I assumed the developer has not the slightest idea about the game and his comment proves that...

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to Nasti Chestikov on Thu Dec 16 22:37:38 2021
    On 12/16/2021 11:00 AM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
    In the comments.

    https://backgammonapps.blogspot.com/2021/11/my-first-android-review-backgammon-by.html

    Calls its analysis "defective"!

    Is your point here to criticize Jeff Rollason? Because that's
    what it looks like. Rollason's comments make no sense. If I
    give him the benefit of the doubt, then maybe he checked what
    move AI Factory Backgammon makes in that position and found that
    it doesn't play 6/2(2) after all, so he thinks that the reviewer
    must have made a mistake entering the moves. But even under that
    very charitable reading, the rest of what he says makes no sense.
    If the reviewer really did incorrectly enter 6/2(2), then XG's
    evaluation of that move as terrible is perfectly reasonable, as
    even Jeff Rollason agrees. What did Rollason expect, that XG
    would magically know that AI Factory Backgammon *would* play
    23/21 even when you ask XG to evaluate some other play? Maybe
    XG has an audio feature where it would speak to the user, "No,
    I see you're trying to study AI Factory Backgammon, and the move
    you're asking me to evaluate isn't what AI Factory Backgammon
    actually plays here!"

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Fri Dec 17 04:34:22 2021
    On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 3:37:41 AM UTC, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 12/16/2021 11:00 AM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
    In the comments.

    https://backgammonapps.blogspot.com/2021/11/my-first-android-review-backgammon-by.html

    Calls its analysis "defective"!
    Is your point here to criticize Jeff Rollason? Because that's
    what it looks like.

    I don't agree that it "looks like" that at all.
    I think that the default assumption is that the poster agrees with the "slam".

    Paul

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  • From Nasti Chestikov@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 17 09:04:39 2021
    On Friday, 17 December 2021 at 12:34:23 UTC, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 3:37:41 AM UTC, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 12/16/2021 11:00 AM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
    In the comments.

    https://backgammonapps.blogspot.com/2021/11/my-first-android-review-backgammon-by.html

    Calls its analysis "defective"!
    Is your point here to criticize Jeff Rollason? Because that's
    what it looks like.
    I don't agree that it "looks like" that at all.
    I think that the default assumption is that the poster agrees with the "slam".

    Paul

    No intention to bash the guy, just publicising the absurd comments from a developer who has marketed a (very poor) backgammon program and yet chooses to diss the best program out there.

    I suspect he isn't the author of the program and he's been assured by whatever developer he has employed that the dice are honest (they aren't, trust me) and that it's playing to the best of it's ability at level 7 (count them, seven levels of difficulty)
    .

    See

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlnoNchYRI

    for poor play

    or

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXKDfqJ8Cag

    for cheating.

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to Nasti Chestikov on Sun Dec 19 01:55:20 2021
    On December 17, 2021 at 10:04:40 AM UTC-7, Nasti Chestikov wrote:

    ..... absurd comments from a developer who has marketed
    a (very poor) backgammon program and yet chooses to
    diss the best program out there.

    First, we need to ask "best in what"?

    Then, we need to clarify "best among what exist".

    If you would say that all of the bots "out there" are no good,
    then I would wholeheartedly agree that XG may be at least
    one of the best of them...

    I suspect he isn't the author of the program and he's been
    assured by whatever developer he has employed that the
    dice are honest (they aren't, trust me) and that it's playing
    to the best of it's ability at level 7 (count them, seven levels
    of difficulty).

    "7 levels" of difficulty reminds me of Jellyfish's "7 levels"...

    What you are describing, i.e. not having the mastery of the
    code because it was stolen from another bot, is probably
    more common than what most would suspect. (See my old
    posts about XG being based ob Gnubg code in violation of
    its license). The only difference may be that tha AI Factory
    people may not be good enough petty crook scumbags as
    others, yet...

    MK

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Sun Dec 19 01:40:26 2021
    On December 17, 2021 at 5:34:23 AM UTC-7, peps...@gmail.com wrote:

    On December 17, 2021 at 3:37:41 AM UTC, Tim Chow wrote:

    Is your point here to criticize Jeff Rollason? Because that's
    what it looks like.

    I don't agree that it "looks like" that at all. I think that the
    default assumption is that the poster agrees with the "slam".

    I had the same first impression as you also, but it looks like
    he has been posting about the AI Factory bot being too weak
    and cheating. I don't remember him saying XG-dung yet. So,
    maybe you should try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    MK

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