• Ever come back here to see if............

    From Dave from WA State@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 26 20:24:03 2015
    P.S. There was a nice fellow, Fred Walker, here in 2013 when I post a reminiscence-type post too.

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  • From The Midnight Skulker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 28 12:07:41 2015
    ...........anyone comes back here to see if anyone comes back here?

    I get back here three times a year or so, typically to look up a post from "The Before Time" for reposting (by quote or link) to Craps Forum (http://www.crapsforum.com), to which I migrated when this newsgroup died. (BTW there are a bunch of other
    refugees from here over there, and Dave, you might be interested to hear that Mason has become something of a legend there. You wouldn't happen to be Kokomojoe4, would you?) I usually find what I'm looking for here rather quickly, but then spend a
    couple nostalgic hours reading through some of the threads my search uncovered.


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  • From TeddysDad@cardplayer.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 25 17:08:48 2015
    ...........anyone comes back here to see if anyone comes back here?

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  • From Dave from WA State@21:1/5 to Tedd...@cardplayer.com on Sat Sep 26 19:52:32 2015
    On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 5:08:49 PM UTC-7, Tedd...@cardplayer.com wrote:
    ...........anyone comes back here to see if anyone comes back here?

    Yeah... it's mostly spambots.

    I miss the 'old days' when Mason and Madeline and other entertaining folks posted here.

    I've had some good times at the tables in the past 20 years. I just play a simple pass-line with odds game, placing some numbers if I am up. No 'systems', no 'insurance' bets. I buy in with $100. and my loss limit is $50. That's it -- Just roll them
    bones.

    The best books for me have been _Scarne On Dice_, by John Scarne and _The Dice Doctor_, by Sam Grafstein.

    Dave from Washington State
    "Where am I going? And why am I in this hand-basket?"

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  • From Dave from WA State@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 29 12:39:32 2015
    Hi Van, nice to see that you're still around... Is Mason on the forum? Or just his posts here are famous there? I would be ever so happy to hear Mason is still among the living. I had heard he had died :0(
    BTW, I am not kokomojoe4.
    Best,
    Dave

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  • From Some One@21:1/5 to daveviens@gmail.com on Sat Oct 31 14:50:29 2015
    In article <7695fbee-d803-44f4-ae5c-2276b4022f5d@googlegroups.com>,
    Dave from WA State <daveviens@gmail.com> wrote:

    P.S. There was a nice fellow, Fred Walker, here in 2013 when I post a reminiscence-type post too.

    Awww, gee, thanks Dave! I've since changed my name for other reasons,
    mostly just to avoid feeling moniker stagnant.

    I still play from time to time, although I lost my head the last time
    I played and was out $600. But it really wasn't so bad, because I'd
    had a long winning streak of either tying or winning $20 to $40 for
    months. In my experience, sticking to the pass or don't pass lines
    with odds never leads one too far astray in the long haul, and
    whatever is lost to the house edge winds up being worth the
    entertainment value (never mind some occasional food comps).

    My style (no point becoming delusional about it by calling it a
    "strategy") is to start out small on the don't and slowly try to get
    a feel for the table before adding odds and don't comes with odds -
    but remaining poised to switch to the other side and hopefully clean
    up with pass lines and comes with odds.. and then revert back to the
    dark side hopefully not too long after it turns. It's somewhere in
    that mix that I've experienced the most success.

    Of course, losing one's head can wreck the best of styles. :-)

    By the way, I don't really believe in "get[ting] a feel for the
    table", because one good definition of randomness is "no patterns",
    and there's no way to get a feel for no patterns. The "feel" is
    merely a guide to one's hopes at any given moment. The dice continue
    to have a mind of their own, i.e. no mind at all. LOL!

    I prefer the dark side both because it's slightly mathematically
    lower house edge, and because I like the fact that I can't lose all
    my bets at once. Of course, that's balanced by the pain of sevens and
    yo's on the come out. Actually, getting burned by yo's on the come
    out was a big factor in the aforementioned $600 loss. It was just one
    of those nights. And no matter when or why I switched sides, it was
    always precisely the wrong decisions. Classic "can't do anything
    right" session. On top of it, the dealers somewhat sucked, and
    someone else at the table clearly thought I was the bad luck at the
    table, and a couple times even said as much to me, albeit playfully.
    Still, it was such a "deer in the headlights" sensation. Ugh.

    But I'll be back! :-)


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    "Someone's always up to something!" - Someone

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  • From Dave from WA State@21:1/5 to Some One on Sat Oct 31 21:01:02 2015
    On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:52:42 AM UTC-7, Some One wrote:
    In article <7695fbee-d803-44f4-ae5c-2276b4022f5d@googlegroups.com>,
    Dave from WA State wrote:

    P.S. There was a nice fellow, Fred Walker, here in 2013 when I post a reminiscence-type post too.

    Awww, gee, thanks Dave! I've since changed my name for other reasons,
    mostly just to avoid feeling moniker stagnant.

    <snip>

    But I'll be back! :-)


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    "Someone's always up to something!" - Someone

    Hey Fred, thanks for the nice reply. I took Van's advice and went over to Crapsforum.com - pretty nice discussions. Kind of had a feel of the old r.g.c. newsgroup in days gone by. Maybe you're already there, but if not give it a look.

    I stick to betting the front line w/ odds and progressing the odds with every win. Simple method, hardly a system, that I got from Grafstein's _Dice Doctor_. I don't bounce back and forth from dark side to light anymore; nobody knows when things are
    gonna turn good or bad. :0/

    Nice to see you again!

    Dave from WA State
    Where am I going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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  • From Some One@21:1/5 to daveviens@gmail.com on Wed Nov 4 13:47:39 2015
    In article <aa9b054f-babb-4dab-9b24-d770956a51e6@googlegroups.com>,
    Dave from WA State <daveviens@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hey Fred, thanks for the nice reply. I took Van's advice and went over to Crapsforum.com - pretty nice
    discussions. Kind of had a feel of the old r.g.c. newsgroup in days gone by. Maybe you're already there, but if
    not give it a look.

    I might. I'm just so much more a USENET kind of guy than a web forum
    kind of guy, though. Plus, I feel like I already know everything
    there is to know on the subject, which can basically be reduced to:
    "If you don't enjoy the entertainment value of it, you're totally
    screwed!" :-)

    I stick to betting the front line w/ odds and progressing the odds with every win. Simple method, hardly a
    system, that I got from Grafstein's _Dice Doctor_. I don't bounce back and forth from dark side to light anymore;
    nobody knows when things are gonna turn good or bad. :0/

    I like the bounce. Why? Well, because sticking to one side or the
    other will mathematically always be in the house's favor.

    Now, grant it, it's possible to always bounce at the wrong time and
    be even worse off than sticking to just one side. But it's also the
    only way to win every bet. There's something a little thrilling about
    that possibility. Also, bouncing somewhat removes the "familiarity
    breeds contempt" effect. Plus, I occasionally enjoy the "You're
    bringing us bad luck, dude!" glares from people who just don't get it.

    Nice to see you again!

    Thanks.


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  • From Dave from WA State@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 4 12:16:29 2015
    Hi Fred,

    Yeah, I know the dark-side's temptations. But each bet is an
    independent thing, with its own PC - lower on the Don't, but only by a
    few hundredths of a percent: 1.402 as opposed to 1.414 on the right
    side. (That is if the 'bar' is 1-1 or 6-6. If the bar is 1-2, the PC is
    way too high of a house advantage, 4.385, and the bet deserves to be
    ignored or even labeled a sucker bet.) So you never get away from the
    house advantage, no matter how much you squirm. If there were no 'bars'
    on the darkside (which there alway is in a casino game; there is always
    a bar-point) I would bet /nothing but/ the Don't, since I'd be making
    the same kind of money the casino can make (although sometimes they lose
    too. But in the long run they come out ahead).

    But alas, those casinos charge us for our fun! No 'even breaks' for the
    lowly customers, much less an advantage.

    This is precisely the kind of discussion we had in the 'olden days',
    Fred. It's well worth carrying it over to the forum. Of course the
    information falls on deaf ears; the blare of folks with a system
    (dis-proven, of course, but still with legs) or the 'dice influencers
    (with their intentionally-unintelligible mathematical hocus-pocus) drown
    out the folks who like a simple game, with simple cubes, controlled by
    the simple arithmetic of randomness and probability.

    BTW, I get my PC numbers from _Scarne on Dice_, an eminently
    understandable and authoritative book first published back in the mid-
    '40's. I have the eighth revised edition from 1974. If you want to know
    the odds, and the PC you are bucking on every bet on the layout, Scarne
    is the place to go. No BS, no systems / insurance nonsense: Just the
    simple arithmetical facts....

    I know what you mean about liking the Newsgroups over the web forums.
    But like the 'bar points' on the Don't, they're here to stay, so I just
    shuffle over and join the fun.

    Best,

    Dave from WA State
    Where am I going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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  • From sfry.california@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Midnight Skulker on Thu Nov 5 18:08:18 2015
    On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, The Midnight Skulker wrote:
    ...........anyone comes back here to see if anyone comes back here?

    I get back here three times a year or so, typically to look up a post from "The Before Time" for reposting (by quote or link) to Craps Forum (http://www.crapsforum.com), to which I migrated when this newsgroup died. (BTW there are a bunch of other
    refugees from here over there, and Dave, you might be interested to hear that Mason has become something of a legend there.

    Hi Van, and any old timers.
    Hardly ever check the old newsgroup.
    When IE worked with Outlook and the newsfeed, I used to monthly post the FAQs, but this newsgroup has died. I remember the day Mason left.

    -- Steve Fry

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  • From The Midnight Skulker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 5 08:37:26 2018
    -- Steve Fry

    [expletive deleted]! Forgot my signature. Got a new one on Craps Forum when the one I used here didn't align properly.

    My name is Luis Skulker de Midnight
    You killed my bankroll
    Prepare to die


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  • From The Midnight Skulker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 5 08:32:26 2018
    Hi Van, and any old timers.
    Hardly ever check the old newsgroup.
    When IE worked with Outlook and the newsfeed, I used to monthly post the FAQs, but this newsgroup has died. I remember the day Mason left.

    -- Steve Fry

    Was in the market for an AC and thought I'd check the old newsgroup spam to see if there were any good deals. Just kidding...came back to see if it was still accessible.

    Mason left rather suddenly IIRC sparking conjecture he had met an untimely end. Cannot neither confirm not refute that.

    I can confirm that Madeline Bizub (as reported here), and John Kerr and Tom (hone runs are boring) P (as reported on Craps Forum) have passed.

    The only other refugee from here on Craps Forum that I can think of at the moment is basicstrategy777. I think I have seen Mr. V on Wizard of Vegas, but don't hold me to that as I have only checked that forum when a thread is referenced on Craps Forum.

    I miss this group despite its limitations imposed by an ancient platform. It was nice to have a one stop shop for discussing "the main game".

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