On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote: >>>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerryNo, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:24:46 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/30/2023 5:31 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:.
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote: >>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerryAs I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally >>>>>> since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ...
Typical of you to dodge and lie. (Show where I posted links without reading).
Biden went to Congress and requested an immigration rule change to require those seeking asylum
to prove they tried for asylum in each country they came through. (Showing they weren't just trying
for America).
REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT.
Biden has repeatedly sent plain loads of immigrants back to their country of origin.
AND YOU NEVER KNEW IT, because you get your DISinformation from lying right- wing news like QAnon, FOX, Breitbart News, OANN, Facebook, Twitter or Newsmax.
It how we're able to make fools of you and Stupid Irish Mick.
The good part is, YOU NEVER LEARN TO LOSE...
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:24:46 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
On 12/30/2023 5:31 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote: >>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerryAs I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally >>>>>> since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:59:07 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
On 12/31/2023 11:39 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:24:46 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
On 12/30/2023 5:31 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico" >>>>>> agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying >>>>>> to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first dayOn Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry >>>>>>>>As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding >>>>>>>> and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally >>>>>>>> since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then >>>> Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not >>>> even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Your data:
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
I found my link from the other day:
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 4:03:30 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/31/2023 2:36 PM, VegasJerry wrote:.
Nothing at all.
Heh.
Knew you couldn't answer...
Knew you couldn't show...
Knew you'd dodge...
Knew you'd respond, just to show what a loser you are...
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:03:49 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
On 12/31/2023 2:59 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:59:07 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:Your link is right up there in your post above
On 12/31/2023 11:39 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:24:46 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote: >>>>>> On 12/30/2023 5:31 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be >>>> your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years >>>>>> were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump >>>>>> years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden >>>>>> with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then >>>>>> Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site >>>>>> stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not >>>>>> even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico" >>>>>>>> agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying >>>>>>>> to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day >>>>>>>> in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry >>>>>>>>>>As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding >>>>>>>>>> and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally >>>>>>>>>> since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden >>>> is more Obama than Trump.
Your data:
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops >>>>
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
I found my link from the other day:
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
links that I posted yesterday:
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
From link on your new information:
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’ >> grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 3:02:55 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 1/1/2024 2:16 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:,
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:03:49 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
On 12/31/2023 2:59 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:59:07 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote: >>>>>> On 12/31/2023 11:39 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:Your link is right up there in your post above
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 9:24:46 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/30/2023 5:31 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be >>>>>> your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ... >>>>>> might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden >>>>>> is more Obama than Trump.
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years >>>>>>>> were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump >>>>>>>> years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden >>>>>>>> with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico" >>>>>>>>>> agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying >>>>>>>>>> to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day >>>>>>>>>> in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry >>>>>>>>>>>>As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding >>>>>>>>>>>> and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally >>>>>>>>>>>> since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President >>>>>>>>>> he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America. >>>>>>>>>>
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site >>>>>>>> stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not >>>>>>>> even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how >>>>>>>> disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Your data:
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops >>>>>>
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but >>>>>> there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
I found my link from the other day:
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
links that I posted yesterday:
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
From link on your new information:
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already >>>> exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’ >>>> grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released >>>> into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent >>>> asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded >>>> border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a >>>> visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are >>>> consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just >>>> like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless >>>> folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long.
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this
Sure there is, but Republicans are blocking it. Biden tried getting a rule through Congress that
Asylum seekers must prove they tried getting asylum in each country they went through so as
to prove they weren’t just heading to the United States.
*** Republicans blocked it ***
Beden and the Democrats have again asked Republicans to renegoiagte immigration policies.
*** Republicans refuse ***
... you may be correct ... Biden may continue the latest explosion….
No, he’s not, and I can show you keep going to Fox, or OAN or Bretbart for Newsmax for your
misinformation:
Pickel; tell us the number of flights, in the last month, Biden has sent back to countries of origin,
loaded with Illegals. If you get withing 5, you get an award. (But we know you have no clue that
it was even happening.
.
(Still learning to lose, huh?)
http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
Is that clear enough for you? “Or am I being too obtuse?”
.
.
LOL!
(I just LOVE embarrassing this fool…..)
Biden Administration is Resuming Deportation Flights for Venezuelan Migrants as Arrivals Growto deal with swelling numbers of asylum-seekers.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Biden administration will resume deporting Venezuelan migrants, the largest single group encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border last month, back to their economically troubled country as their arrivals continue to grow.
https://news.wttw.com/2023/10/05/biden-administration-resuming-deportation-flights-venezuelan-migrants-arrivals-grow
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Biden admin again flying migrants who cross border in one place to another place before expelling them
Advocates say migrants on the flights often think they're being
allowed to stay in the U.S., only to be expelled into an unfamiliar
part of Mexico.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-admin-again-flying-migrants-who-cross-border-one-place-n1271211
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US resumes deportation flights to Venezuela with more than 100 migrants on board (APNewa)
MAIQUETIA, Venezuela (AP) — Deportation flights of Venezuelans from the U.S. resumed Wednesday with a first plane of more than a hundred migrants landing back in their economically troubled country under the Biden administration’s latest attempts
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-migrants-deportation-texas-biden-immigration-1115aa224f1fa79fb88bd991a8ed705a
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More “Educating Pickel” on request.
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:02:55 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this ... you may be correct ... Biden may
continue the latest explosion and be reelected to make it even more
exciting.
Think such might stir things up even more than what is happening now?
We have no idea what the trend is, except upwards.
However, look at the first graph in https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
From 2017 to 2023, you can fit a very good straight line via least squares.
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"Irish MikeAs I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of
illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:b5bbbc6d-0cde-4576-a36d-95fff2b99688n@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-5, Irish Ranger wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Rangerwrote:
Trump > administration.On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerryAs I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of
illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
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