• Income is falling. BillB can suck it.

    From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 10:18:54 2023
  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 13:46:03 2023
    On 9/12/2023 12:18 PM, jack roth wrote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/median-household-income-fell-in-2022-adjusted-for-inflation-census-says?fbclid=IwAR3o1eccQRznUC5Fz75tI5iG1g_IOXD0FJNb4uKGRs83-kpb_SrKIBKRYRE


    End of discussion.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 11:51:31 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/median-household-income-fell-in-2022-adjusted-for-inflation-census-says?fbclid=IwAR3o1eccQRznUC5Fz75tI5iG1g_IOXD0FJNb4uKGRs83-kpb_SrKIBKRYRE
    .

    LOL! The Washington Examiner is a U.S. conservative news outlet which consists principally of a website and a
    weekly printed magazine...
    __

    THE WASHINGTON POST

    BUSINESS
    The US Economy Is Great. Stop Worrying About It.

    https://wapo.st/48eshuc

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Tue Sep 12 11:52:13 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:18 PM, jack roth wrote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/median-household-income-fell-in-2022-adjusted-for-inflation-census-says?fbclid=IwAR3o1eccQRznUC5Fz75tI5iG1g_IOXD0FJNb4uKGRs83-kpb_SrKIBKRYRE


    End of discussion.

    Heh. End of YOURS, again... LOL!

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 12:26:48 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/median-household-income-fell-in-2022-adjusted-for-inflation-census-says?fbclid=IwAR3o1eccQRznUC5Fz75tI5iG1g_IOXD0FJNb4uKGRs83-kpb_SrKIBKRYRE

    You obviously haven't been paying attention in class. I already talked about real median household income falling (a little) since the Trump inflation set in. My point was that even though it fell a bit, it is still $1500 higher than in 2018 when all you
    Trump lickers were calling it "the best economy in American history" and celebrating how well off you all were. Now real median income is higher than it was then and you whine and cry louder than a roomful of colicky babies about how you can't afford
    your Pop-Tarts and Corn Flakes. LOLOL Explain that for me.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 15:10:28 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 3:01:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Bill, you are a moron. Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.

    You are a hopeless case and incapable of learning.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    And, you can't argue otherwise...

    There is nothing to argue about. You haven't the first clue what you are talking about, as I just proved with the above economic data.



    besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....you can see how real incomes >have gone down by the mere fact that women had to go to work to make up for the loss in
    Real income.....it wasn't "women's lib" that sent women to work...that was just a selling ploy to counter act the totally destructive nature of letting the fed turn us into a fiat nation with unlimited spending....now women had to go to work too. It was
    a disaster for the nuclear family...a disaster for our national debt...and a disaster for our notion of money. As always you idiot moron libtards can't do economics for shit. Your plans never work....all you do re move goal posts...redefine words and
    meanings as always to redefine and equivocate your disasterous policies...and of course, your only strategy to never admit to it like HIllary and Bill....just carry on with the lies...because on top of everything, you morons have no conception of
    morality...and how could you...not like any of you have any sort of faith keeping you walking a moral path.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 15:01:39 2023
    Bill, you are a moron. Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom. And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got off the gold standard and they revised
    inflation to hide it for 40 years....you can see how real incomes have gone down by the mere fact that women had to go to work to make up for the loss in Real income.....it wasn't "women's lib" that sent women to work...that was just a selling ploy to
    counter act the totally destructive nature of letting the fed turn us into a fiat nation with unlimited spending....now women had to go to work too. It was a disaster for the nuclear family...a disaster for our national debt...and a disaster for our
    notion of money. As always you idiot moron libtards can't do economics for shit. Your plans never work....all you do re move goal posts...redefine words and meanings as always to redefine and equivocate your disasterous policies...and of course, your
    only strategy to never admit to it like HIllary and Bill....just carry on with the lies...because on top of everything, you morons have no conception of morality...and how could you...not like any of you have any sort of faith keeping you walking a moral
    path.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 15:14:58 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 3:10:33 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 3:01:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Bill, you are a moron. Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    You are a hopeless case and incapable of learning.

    Look whose talking. What you have been confused about is who has been giving the class, old man.

    And, I've explained multiple times...though you haven't learned just how untrustable some of our stats have become created by career Feds all trying to please politically motivated bosses trying to keep their jobs. THEY CHANGED THE WAY THEY MEASURED
    INFLATION TO MEET THEIR GOALS. Moving the goal posts...something you like doing, BillB.



    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N
    And, you can't argue otherwise...
    There is nothing to argue about. You haven't the first clue what you are talking about, as I just proved with the above economic data.
    besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....you can see how real incomes >have gone down by the mere fact that women had to go to work to make up for the loss
    in Real income.....it wasn't "women's lib" that sent women to work...that was just a selling ploy to counter act the totally destructive nature of letting the fed turn us into a fiat nation with unlimited spending....now women had to go to work too. It
    was a disaster for the nuclear family...a disaster for our national debt...and a disaster for our notion of money. As always you idiot moron libtards can't do economics for shit. Your plans never work....all you do re move goal posts...redefine words and
    meanings as always to redefine and equivocate your disasterous policies...and of course, your only strategy to never admit to it like HIllary and Bill....just carry on with the lies...because on top of everything, you morons have no conception of
    morality...and how could you...not like any of you have any sort of faith keeping you walking a moral path.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 15:28:58 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 3:19:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Actually, Median income has fallen since Biden came into office, Dumbfuck.

    Can't you just quit while you are behind? Your childlike errors are so embarrassing!

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA646N

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 15:19:51 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/median-household-income-fell-in-2022-adjusted-for-inflation-census-says?fbclid=IwAR3o1eccQRznUC5Fz75tI5iG1g_IOXD0FJNb4uKGRs83-kpb_SrKIBKRYRE
    You obviously haven't been paying attention in class. I already talked about real median household income falling (a little) since the Trump inflation set in. My point was that even though it fell a bit, it is still $1500 higher than in 2018 when all
    you Trump lickers were calling it "the best economy in American history" and celebrating how well off you all were. Now real median income is higher than it was then and you whine and cry louder than a roomful of colicky babies about how you can't afford
    your Pop-Tarts and Corn Flakes. LOLOL Explain that for me.

    Actually, Median income has fallen since Biden came into office, Dumbfuck.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 16:18:40 2023
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 16:22:56 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made pademic
    of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce high tech
    types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.

    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 18:49:15 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time a
    libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.

    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative is denied
    because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling people
    like you what they want to hear.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 18:21:17 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.

    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time a
    libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 19:17:30 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time a
    libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative is
    denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.

    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out of
    time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 19:41:01 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time a
    libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative is
    denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out of
    time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.

    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 20:43:32 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time
    a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative is
    denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out of
    time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.

    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have nanny
    state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 12 21:07:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have nanny
    state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.

    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 21:22:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 12 21:19:43 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."

    And, you said you were close to my age. How old are you Bill? What's your definition of "close" to 50? Who says any of THAT data is "authoritative"? Authoritative how? If data serves a political purpose, can it be trusted as Authoritative?
    Remember when govt very authoritatively told us the Covid shots were safe? How about all the other lies of govt? Our own CIA says they exists to lie to Americans. How does this NOT get thru your head? You have to further analyze all data to find
    out the truth....not just accept bullshit because someone claims to be "authoritative". YOU MORON.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 10:36:07 2023
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>>>> Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man made
    pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote workforce
    high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and then
    cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every time
    a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated. >>>>>> I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative is
    denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.

    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 08:40:55 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 08:53:39 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 09:09:52 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes

    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 09:44:38 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:09:57 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?

    So what, fuckface. Both parties have ruined this country and are leading us toward economic collapse. I don't know that anyone excused Trump. I know I haven't. The only problem regarding RGP is that some asshole seems to be denying that we are headed
    toward that collapse. Now what asshole might that be?

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Sep 13 10:07:49 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:44:42 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:09:57 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?

    So what, fuckface. Both parties have ruined this country and are leading us toward economic collapse. I don't know that anyone excused Trump. I know I haven't.

    You didn't answer the question. Jack knows. He knows all about economics. He even said so himself.

    So you would say the following statement applies at least equally to Republicans?

    "Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes."

    Because it seemed to me he was trying to single out Democrats (and therefore, contrary to your claim, excuse Trump).


    The only problem regarding RGP is that some asshole seems to be denying that we are headed toward that collapse. Now what asshole might that be?

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future. I have been over all the leading economic indicators until I am blue in the face. That doesn't
    mean the Fed isn't going to get their little recession they want so much. I just can't imagine all the pissing and moaning when that happens.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 10:52:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.


    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Sep 13 11:52:47 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:52:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.
    .

    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.
    .

    Heh. We know, kid, we know. Between Jack Off’s delusions, being triple bitch-slapped by Bill and completely unable to
    reply to me at all, it’s really fun watching you to flaying failures failing. (Heh, the 3-Fs)

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Sep 13 15:02:58 2023
    On 9/13/2023 12:52 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.


    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.

    My mom and dad were married on October 27, 1929 ... two days later was
    Black Monday.

    At that time, my dad was working for the railroad and did not lose his
    job. He was a lucky one. During the depression he built his/our home
    and both he and my mom died in that home. It is still a nice home in a
    nice neighborhood. That depression was really, really bad. Think about
    all the folks still entombed in the concrete of Hoover Dam ... the folks
    trying to leave Oklahoma for the promised land of California.

    We survived as a nation. The next one might be our last one. Maybe ...
    I certainly hope not. But it would be better if some States failed and
    not the country. The original idea was that each State was like a real
    Country and our United federal control part was completely restricted to
    what is in the Constitution.

    We lost that. We likely cannot return to that. But we need to move
    closer to the original ideas of this country ... States need to be more independent.

    Work hard and save money and raise a family and be happy. Don't expect everyone to agree on everything. Freedom of religion, freedom of the
    press, freedom from government "control" as much as possible. If you
    don't like your State ... move to one that you like. Easy as pie. Block
    ... neighborhood ... suburb ... city/town ... district ... county ...
    don't like it ... move.

    Just do not continue to allow the folks in California and New York and Washington D.C. telling the folks in Wyoming and Nebraska how to think/act/talk/write/raise kids/live and die/and almost everything else
    that used to be matters for your local folks to decide.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 14:42:56 2023
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your narrative
    is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making money telling
    people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running out
    of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too many
    lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.

    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Sep 13 13:40:59 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:52:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.

    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.

    So we can be as miserable as you? We're coming up on two years from the date you told us the US dollar would be "going to zero." What happened? The US Dollar Index is up 10% since then. Do you ever wake up and say to yourself, "Hey, I've been proved
    wrong 178 times in a row....maybe I should start listening to BillB?"

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 13:18:57 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. >> One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The CPI did not rise 3.7% in August. You appear to have been educated at the Jack Roth School of Economics.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 15:51:05 2023
    On 9/13/2023 3:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote: >>>> On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. >>>> One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The CPI did not rise 3.7% in August. You appear to have been educated at the Jack Roth School of Economics.

    "to an annual rate of"

    Sorry to confuse you.

    Did you know about the 7th grandson? What is that all about? Surely
    you know.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 14:05:51 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:52:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.

    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.
    So we can be as miserable as you?

    But I won't be miserable if you and Jerry are hurting. It will make me happy to see you suffer. You deserve to suffer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 16:29:35 2023
    On 9/13/2023 4:24 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote: >>>> On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote: >>>>>> On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. >>>>>> One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are >>>>>> indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along >>>>>> forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an >>>>>> anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The CPI did not rise 3.7% in August. You appear to have been educated at the Jack Roth School of Economics.
    "to an annual rate of"

    Sorry to confuse you.

    Did you know about the 7th grandson? What is that all about? Surely
    you know.

    You didn't confuse me. You were confused yourself until I corrected you. That is evident by the second half of the sentence where you claim it "rose quicker than July's rate 3.2%." You are far from the first person I have seen confused by the monthly
    CPI reports.

    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?

    Did you compare the actual to the predicted?

    I can see that food and energy are not that important to you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 14:24:50 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote: >>>> On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are >>>> indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along >>>> forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an >>>> anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The CPI did not rise 3.7% in August. You appear to have been educated at the Jack Roth School of Economics.
    "to an annual rate of"

    Sorry to confuse you.

    Did you know about the 7th grandson? What is that all about? Surely
    you know.

    You didn't confuse me. You were confused yourself until I corrected you. That is evident by the second half of the sentence where you claim it "rose quicker than July's rate 3.2%." You are far from the first person I have seen confused by the monthly
    CPI reports.

    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 14:54:17 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:29:55 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 4:24 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a
    man made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason.
    Every time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are
    running out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are
    way too many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this
    and with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are >>>>>> indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he >>>>>> actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of >>>>>> dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along >>>>>> forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an >>>>>> anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the >>>> rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he >>>> will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The CPI did not rise 3.7% in August. You appear to have been educated at the Jack Roth School of Economics.
    "to an annual rate of"

    Sorry to confuse you.

    Did you know about the 7th grandson? What is that all about? Surely
    you know.

    You didn't confuse me. You were confused yourself until I corrected you. That is evident by the second half of the sentence where you claim it "rose quicker than July's rate 3.2%." You are far from the first person I have seen confused by the monthly
    CPI reports.

    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?

    Did you compare the actual to the predicted?

    It was higher than predicted. Again, so what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?

    I can see that food and energy are not that important to you.

    If food and energy were not important me then it would follow that living is not important to me. But it is. Did you mean *price increases* on food and energy of the magnitude we've experienced are not important to me personally? You are correct...they
    are not. Or did you mean to assert that I don't think food and energy prices are important on a macroeconomic level? Only a fool would think that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 15:06:41 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:09:57 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes
    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?

    So, more Whataboutisms? Trump has been gone for years. Is your guy so pathetic, you still have to bring up Trump?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Sep 13 15:08:10 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them and
    then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to have
    nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones level
    stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can. >> One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.

    The Only thing anyone needs to know about inflation is that energy is inflation...if you increase the cost of energy, you increase inflation for everything....and now that Joe Biden has depleted our oil reserves, energy prices are going to go insane....
    so inflation will NOT BE GOING DOWN.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 15:09:49 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?

    Look at that...BillB is trying to brag inflation only rose .3% if you exclude food and energy.....Food and ENERGY....ya know, the stuff all the poor people spend all their money on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 15:44:34 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:20:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:09:53 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?
    Look at that...BillB is trying to brag inflation only rose .3% if you exclude food and energy.....Food and ENERGY....ya know, the stuff all the poor people spend all their money on.
    I wasn't "bragging" about anything. I was stating basic economic facts relating to core inflation and headline inflation. And poor people do not spend all their money on food and energy. I am surprised a self-proclaimed expert in economics would make
    such a moronic statement.

    Are you stupid or something? Imagine what a tiny portion of a billionaires money goes to food.....now imagine someone working for minimum wage and spending it all on rent these days....whatever little he has left goes to food and energy. You'd have
    to be the most tone deaf motherfucking on this planet not to realize that. Hell, it's you fucking democrats who keep wanting to give kids two meals a day at school and even during school breaks because you think the kids are starving because their
    parents are too broke to even afford food. My god you are ridiculous.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 15:20:44 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:09:53 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    So according to the CPI, consumer prices rose .6% in August (.3% excluding food and energy). So what? That's your evidence that the US is facing imminent economic collapse?
    Look at that...BillB is trying to brag inflation only rose .3% if you exclude food and energy.....Food and ENERGY....ya know, the stuff all the poor people spend all their money on.

    I wasn't "bragging" about anything. I was stating basic economic facts relating to core inflation and headline inflation. And poor people do not spend all their money on food and energy. I am surprised a self-proclaimed expert in economics would make
    such a moronic statement.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 15:41:39 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    So, more Whataboutisms? Trump has been gone for years. Is your guy so pathetic, you still have to bring up Trump?
    You were clearly implying (in context with the nonsense that you were replying to) that Democrats are the source of the problem. It's not "whataboutism" to refute that.

    You didn't refute anything. You merely pulled out the handy Trump strawman argument because it's more convenient than dealing with your own problems.

    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.j

    Regarding money supply and inflation....that genie popped out of the bottle with Obama's 10Trillion in debt. At that point it was going to get worse no matter what the President. However, there are two things to say about the quality of those money
    supply inflations. Biden has been outright stupid about how he's been spending money....outright insulting. And, we're beyond fucked right now to the point, I wouldn't mind is just spending to death and building out our infrastructure with every
    dream project imaginable and just have one last blowout before we default on a devalued USD and start over. At least the new infrastructure will help us. But, apart from that, what's also really hurting us price-wise is the energy costs Biden is about
    to cause us. He's preventing our own oil production while simultaneously depelting our reserves. Saudis/Russians must be laughing their asses off, because they know once that's done, they'll be able to charge anything they want for oil because it'll
    take us years to build out more of our own oil supplies....they don't just happen overnight and we're falling behind on oil investment to the tune of $1B/day. Those increase oil prices will make prices of everything else go crazy....of course, there
    will be a lag on all of this and the Biden team knows that...they know they can empty reserves right now to prices down and pretend they down need domestic supply cuz it fits their agenda...and then right about when the Trump Presidency gets going again,
    we'll get that oil supply shock the democrats caused and the democrats will get to laugh and try to lay it all on trump, just like I'm sure you'll try to do in Trump's next administration.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 15:15:48 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:09:57 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a
    man made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason.
    Every time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are
    running out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are
    way too many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this
    and with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes
    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?

    So, more Whataboutisms? Trump has been gone for years. Is your guy so pathetic, you still have to bring up Trump?

    You were clearly implying (in context with the nonsense that you were replying to) that Democrats are the source of the problem. It's not "whataboutism" to refute that.

    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 15:58:22 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Are you stupid or something? Imagine what a tiny portion of a billionaires money goes to food.....now imagine someone working for minimum wage and spending it all on rent these days.

    Uh, you just finished saying they are spending all their money on food and energy, and now you say they spend all their money on rent. I know you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, but both those things can't be true. You are obviously extremely
    confused. Try sitting in a quiet corner for five minutes getting your thoughts together before you post.

    Yes, I think everyone understands that billionaires spend a smaller percentage of their income on food than those in the lowest income quintile. Thanks for a glimpse of the blinding obvious. LOL

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 15:59:02 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:41:44 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    So, more Whataboutisms? Trump has been gone for years. Is your guy so pathetic, you still have to bring up Trump?
    You were clearly implying (in context with the nonsense that you were replying to) that Democrats are the source of the problem. It's not "whataboutism" to refute that.
    You didn't refute anything. You merely pulled out the handy Trump strawman argument because it's more convenient than dealing with your own problems.

    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.j

    Regarding money supply and inflation....that genie popped out of the bottle with Obama's 10Trillion in debt. At that point it was going to get worse no matter what the President. However, there are two things to say about the quality of those money
    supply inflations. Biden has been outright stupid about how he's been spending money....outright insulting. And, we're beyond fucked right now to the point, I wouldn't mind is just spending to death and building out our infrastructure with every dream
    project imaginable and just have one last blowout before we default on a devalued USD and start over. At least the new infrastructure will help us. But, apart from that, what's also really hurting us price-wise is the energy costs Biden is about to cause
    us. He's preventing our own oil production while simultaneously depelting our reserves. Saudis/Russians must be laughing their asses off, because they know once that's done, they'll be able to charge anything they want for oil because it'll take us years
    to build out more of our own oil supplies....they don't just happen overnight and we're falling behind on oil investment to the tune of $1B/day. Those increase oil prices will make prices of everything else go crazy....of course, there will be a lag on
    all of this and the Biden team knows that...they know they can empty reserves right now to prices down and pretend they down need domestic supply cuz it fits their agenda...and then right about when the Trump Presidency gets going again, we'll get that
    oil supply shock the democrats caused and the democrats will get to laugh and try to lay it all on trump, >just like I'm sure you'll try to do in Trump's next administration.

    Still dodging the questions?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 16:02:46 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.

    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be around
    a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 16:07:04 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Are you stupid or something? Imagine what a tiny portion of a billionaires money goes to food.....now imagine someone working for minimum wage and spending it all on rent these days.
    Uh, you just finished saying they are spending all their money on food and energy, and now you say they spend all their money on rent.

    Hey dumbass, paying rent is a given...and rent isn't a discretionary expense you fucking imbecile like food and energy.

    Yes, I think everyone understands that billionaires spend a smaller percentage of their income on food than those in the lowest income quintile. Thanks for a glimpse of the blinding obvious. LOL

    Nothing seems blinding obvious with you. it's paintfully obvious you aren't hear to actually learn anything as much as you are here hoping to give your chance a shot at boosting your ancient ego. Tell us how old you are you Methuselah. I recognize
    your act from a mile away at the poker table. Always some retired fucking approaching at least 80 who can't play poker for shit because he's spending his entire time at the table for a shot at clawing back some memories of his manhood.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 16:08:55 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be around a
    year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast that
    JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.

    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration 3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 16:11:22 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Are you stupid or something? Imagine what a tiny portion of a billionaires money goes to food.....now imagine someone working for minimum wage and spending it all on rent these days.
    Uh, you just finished saying they are spending all their money on food and energy, and now you say they spend all their money on rent.
    Hey dumbass, paying rent is a given...and rent isn't a discretionary expense you fucking imbecile like food and energy.

    Yes, I think everyone understands that billionaires spend a smaller percentage of their income on food than those in the lowest income quintile. Thanks for a glimpse of the blinding obvious. LOL
    Nothing seems blinding obvious with you. it's paintfully obvious you aren't hear to actually learn anything as much as you are here hoping to give your chance a shot at boosting your ancient ego. Tell us how old you are you Methuselah. I recognize your
    act from a mile away at the poker table. Always some retired fucking approaching at least 80 who can't play poker for shit because he's spending his entire time at the table for a shot at clawing back some memories of his manhood.

    I just turned 61.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 16:12:53 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on,
    a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be around
    a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast that
    JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.

    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument. I won't allow your idiot logical fallacies any oxygen. How about we go talk about the DOUBLING of the national debt that Obama did.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 16:16:35 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come
    on, a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be
    around a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration 2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.
    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument.

    LOLOL He loses again.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 16:15:47 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Are you stupid or something? Imagine what a tiny portion of a billionaires money goes to food.....now imagine someone working for minimum wage and spending it all on rent these days.
    Uh, you just finished saying they are spending all their money on food and energy, and now you say they spend all their money on rent.

    Hey dumbass, paying rent is a given...and rent isn't a discretionary expense you fucking imbecile like food and energy.

    First you said poor people spend all their money on food and energy. Then you said they spend all their money on rent. Those statements cannot coexist in the same universe. Further, food is hardly a discretionary expense, as you now claim. I thought you
    said you were an expert in economics?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 16:24:28 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come
    on, a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be
    around a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.
    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument.
    LOLOL He loses again.

    WTF are you smoking? Perhaps you have early onset Alzheimers or are otherwise on some type of meds like Jerry. An aside, it's more than humorous how you are extending a thread that has "BillB can suck it" in the title.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 16:29:30 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:24:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation.
    Come on, a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be
    around a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.
    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument.
    LOLOL He loses again.
    WTF are you smoking? Perhaps you have early onset Alzheimers or are otherwise on some type of meds like Jerry. An aside, it's more than humorous how you are extending a thread that has "BillB can suck it" in the title.

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 17:39:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:35:26 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).
    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.

    Still unable or refuses to answer a few very basic economic questions, despite his claim of being an expert in economics. Can anyone guess why?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 17:35:20 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).

    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 18:33:09 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:39:23 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:35:26 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).
    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.
    Still unable or refuses to answer a few very basic economic questions, despite his claim of being an expert in economics. Can anyone guess why?

    I answered all economic questions you posed, less anything with the word Trump in it Furthermore, I answered much more specifically on inflation than Jay Powell who only says that he learned more about how little he knows about inflation. But that's a
    guy in his 70's and I've read before that 50% of anyone in their 70's is showing at least beginning signs of alzheimers. You repetition on the same moot point makes me think you are showing signs of early onset alzheimers. And, don't think it can't
    happen. A friend I grew up with who became Deputy Chief in LAPD just died of early onset Alzheimers and he was younger than you, Bill....and he declined ever so rapidly. Maybe you should get checked out.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 18:37:40 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:33:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:39:23 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:35:26 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).
    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.
    Still unable or refuses to answer a few very basic economic questions, despite his claim of being an expert in economics. Can anyone guess why?

    I answered all economic questions you posed, less anything with the word Trump in it Furthermore, I answered much more specifically on inflation than Jay Powell who only says that he learned more about how little he knows about inflation. But that's a
    guy in his 70's and I've read before that 50% of anyone in their 70's is showing at least beginning signs of alzheimers. You repetition on the same moot point makes me think you are showing signs of early onset alzheimers. And, don't think it can't
    happen. A friend I grew up with who became Deputy Chief in LAPD just died of early onset Alzheimers and he was younger than you, Bill....and he declined ever so rapidly. Maybe you should get checked out.

    More dodging. What kind of self-proclaimed economic expert would want to ignore the extraordinary things that happened during the Trump administration on the current economic landscape? Well, that's an easy answer: a phony one.

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 18:43:48 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:08:16 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.
    The Only thing anyone needs to know about inflation is that energy is inflation...if you increase the cost of energy, you increase inflation for everything....and now that Joe Biden has depleted our oil reserves, energy prices are going to go insane....
    so inflation will NOT BE GOING DOWN.

    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Wed Sep 13 18:52:55 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.

    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve else
    you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 19:04:54 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve else
    you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.

    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 19:11:42 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve else
    you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 19:24:30 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.

    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 19:27:58 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."

    Yes it is, dumbfuck. Do you not listen? You can only use those 350M barrels once without great risk to the overall storage. Go research it your fucking self you ignorant dumbass.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 19:33:09 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."

    Take the word of one of the leading experts on oil in the world:

    Tracy (𝒞𝒽𝒾 )
    @chigrl
    The structural integrity of the SPR is at stake, you can not fully drain it with out it collapsing, these are caverns deep underground. When you drain, you replace with with brine water, soon all you will be able to pull up is brine water. The lower you
    get, the more integrity is in decline. And the worst part about this, its that the Saudis (exfacto OPEC+) know this is a weakness.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 19:34:10 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 19:39:35 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses

    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 20:42:53 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.

    And it is not.

    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself

    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 20:31:37 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty. And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 20:57:57 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:42:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.
    And it is not.
    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself
    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.

    So so so pathetic that you are trying to twist the entire topic to whether or not the SPR is physically empty or effectively empty. You are so intellectually dishonest. What's the point of even conversaing with you? What's more important....
    discussing the country's future or arguing semantics like a child? Pathetic.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 21:04:57 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:58:02 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    You are so intellectually dishonest.

    Who? BillB? lol Intellectually dishonest is his middle name. He gets off on that shit.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 22:00:45 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:17:38 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:58:02 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:42:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the
    oil reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.
    And it is not.
    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself
    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.
    So so so pathetic that you are trying to twist the entire topic to whether or not the SPR is physically empty or effectively empty. You are so intellectually dishonest. What's the point of even conversaing with you? What's more important....
    discussing the country's future or arguing semantics like a child? Pathetic.
    Your reading comprehension is poor. The SPR is neither physically empty nor effectively empty. I think I'll take the word of America's top geoscientists at DOE's Sandia National Laboratory who oversee the facilities over some Fox News talking head with
    a political science degree. But I have critical thinking skills. Yours are terminally lacking.

    Oh, so some govt talking head like Fauci trying to front a faux narrative. I'll tell ya what, dumbass, I'll take everyone elses word. You have no critical thinking skill....you think arguing semantics like a 4th grader is critical thinking skills.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 21:17:34 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:58:02 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:42:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.
    And it is not.
    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself
    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.
    So so so pathetic that you are trying to twist the entire topic to whether or not the SPR is physically empty or effectively empty. You are so intellectually dishonest. What's the point of even conversaing with you? What's more important....discussing
    the country's future or arguing semantics like a child? Pathetic.

    Your reading comprehension is poor. The SPR is neither physically empty nor effectively empty. I think I'll take the word of America's top geoscientists at DOE's Sandia National Laboratory who oversee the facilities over some Fox News talking head with a
    political science degree. But I have critical thinking skills. Yours are terminally lacking.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 22:35:14 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there are over
    350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you actually
    believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.


    What "world class scientist"? I don't even know why you keep mentioning Fox news.....I haven't seen Fox news in many many years. I do know one thing...Scientists who want continued funding will say whatever they need to say publicly in order to keep
    receiving their paychecks and grants. And, with respect to Chigrl she's respected across the oil industry and by many others as the go to person when it comes to the oil business. Plus, you got to see evidence from other video I posted. Meanwhile you
    haven't posted a single name or video reference to your bullshit claim. So, You lose, as always.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 22:36:24 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I didn't argue semantics.

    Says the lawyer getting caught with his pants down lawyering. What a moron.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 22:22:11 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:00:50 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:17:38 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:58:02 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:42:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the
    oil reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.
    And it is not.
    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself
    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.
    So so so pathetic that you are trying to twist the entire topic to whether or not the SPR is physically empty or effectively empty. You are so intellectually dishonest. What's the point of even conversaing with you? What's more important....
    discussing the country's future or arguing semantics like a child? Pathetic.
    Your reading comprehension is poor. The SPR is neither physically empty nor effectively empty. I think I'll take the word of America's top geoscientists at DOE's Sandia National Laboratory who oversee the facilities over some Fox News talking head
    with a political science degree. But I have critical thinking skills. Yours are terminally lacking.
    Oh, so some govt talking head like Fauci trying to front a faux narrative. I'll tell ya what, dumbass, I'll take everyone elses word. You have no critical thinking skill....you think arguing semantics like a 4th grader is critical thinking skills.

    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there are
    over 350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you actually
    believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 13 23:12:47 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:35:19 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there are
    over 350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you actually
    believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.

    What "world class scientist"?

    I already told you...the ones from Sandia National Laboratories who oversee those facilities.

    I don't even know why you keep mentioning Fox news.....I haven't seen Fox news in many many years.

    Where did I say you watch Fox News? I said she is a Fox News talking head.

    I do know one thing...Scientists who want continued funding will say whatever they need to say publicly in order to keep receiving their paychecks and grants.

    More conspiracy theories.

    And, with respect to Chigrl she's respected across the oil industry and by many others as the go to person when it comes to the oil business. Plus, you got to see >evidence from other video I posted. Meanwhile you haven't posted a single name or video
    reference to your bullshit claim. So, You lose, as always.

    She isn't even a scientist. She has a degree in political science, and your imagined status as spokesperson for "the oil industry" carries no weight whatsoever. I will be a spokesperson for the oil industry and say they don't even slightly dislike the
    idea of 350 million bought and paid for barrels of oil buried in the ground in such a way that it can never be used. lol

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 13 23:29:48 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:12:51 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:35:19 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there are
    over 350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you actually
    believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.

    What "world class scientist"?
    I already told you...the ones from Sandia National Laboratories who oversee those facilities.

    Provide us with names and links to exactly what they say that you claim contradicts my world class oil expert.

    I don't even know why you keep mentioning Fox news.....I haven't seen Fox news in many many years.
    Where did I say you watch Fox News? I said she is a Fox News talking head.

    Who, chigrl? If Trady was on Fox, it's not that she's a talking head, it's just that they finally figured out she's an industry leader that everyone respect and that made them put her on their show. It's not some career life loser version of a
    scientist who works for the govt turning on and off spigots and saying whatever they are told....and I know you are totally unfamiliar with how the military and federal govt works, but you NEVER counter the approved narrative...EVER.

    I do know one thing...Scientists who want continued funding will say whatever they need to say publicly in order to keep receiving their paychecks and grants.
    More conspiracy theories.
    And, with respect to Chigrl she's respected across the oil industry and by many others as the go to person when it comes to the oil business. Plus, you got to see >evidence from other video I posted. Meanwhile you haven't posted a single name or video
    reference to your bullshit claim. So, You lose, as always.
    She isn't even a scientist. She has a degree in political science, and your imagined status as spokesperson for "the oil industry" carries no weight whatsoever. I will be a spokesperson for the oil industry and say they don't even slightly dislike the
    idea of 350 million bought and paid for barrels of oil buried in the ground in such a way that it can never be used. lol

    Ya, same way Steve Jobs wasn't much of a scientist. She's a well known industry leader long before she was on Fox, you dumb fuck. And, she's the expert that genuine experts in other fields listen to in the finance world. And, THAT is what counts out
    there you ignorant moron.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 00:20:27 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:29:53 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:12:51 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:35:19 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there
    are over 350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you
    actually believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.

    What "world class scientist"?
    I already told you...the ones from Sandia National Laboratories who oversee those facilities.

    Provide us with names and links to exactly what they say that you claim contradicts my world class oil expert.

    I told you exactly what they said and it came in the form of a letter from the Department of Energy to Republican lawmakers. But perhaps you should first give us a quote from your supposed "world class expert" where she says no more oil can be removed
    from the SPR, thereby rendering it effectively empty. I strongly suspect it exists only in your imagination. I did a quick search and found no evidence of her making such a ridiculous assertion. I doubt she would appreciate you holding her out as a moron.

    I don't even know why you keep mentioning Fox news.....I haven't seen Fox news in many many years.

    Where did I say you watch Fox News? I said she is a Fox News talking head.
    Who, chigrl? If Trady was on Fox, it's not that she's a talking head, it's just that they finally figured out she's an industry leader that everyone respect and that made them put her on their show. It's not some career life loser version of a
    scientist who works for the govt turning on and off spigots and saying whatever they are told....and I know you are totally unfamiliar with how the military and federal govt works, but you NEVER counter the approved narrative...EVER.

    What I rarely if ever do is go against the preponderance of expert evidence. It's -EV.

    I do know one thing...Scientists who want continued funding will say whatever they need to say publicly in order to keep receiving their paychecks and grants.
    More conspiracy theories.
    And, with respect to Chigrl she's respected across the oil industry and by many others as the go to person when it comes to the oil business. Plus, you got to see >evidence from other video I posted. Meanwhile you haven't posted a single name or
    video reference to your bullshit claim. So, You lose, as always.
    She isn't even a scientist. She has a degree in political science, and your imagined status as spokesperson for "the oil industry" carries no weight whatsoever. I will be a spokesperson for the oil industry and say they don't even slightly dislike
    the idea of 350 million bought and paid for barrels of oil buried in the ground in such a way that it can never be used. lol

    Ya, same way Steve Jobs wasn't much of a scientist. She's a well known industry leader long before she was on Fox, you dumb fuck. And, she's the expert that genuine experts in other fields listen to in the finance world. And, THAT is what counts out
    there you ignorant moron.

    She is a non-scientist supposedly (according to you) commenting on scientific issues and contradicting actual geoscientists charged with responsibility for the facilities. Like I said, you have very poor critical thinking skills.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 02:25:48 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 12:20:32 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:29:53 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:12:51 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:35:19 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:22:15 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    I didn't argue semantics. Add that to the list of concepts you don't understand. And once again, when faced with facts that demolish your narrative, you crawl into the fetal position and yell "FAKE! FAKE! IT'S ALL FAKE!" The fact is that there
    are over 350 million barrels there, and they are available to access for any further emergent . That is according to the world class geoscientists who oversee the facilities, not a Fox News new talking head with a political science degree who you
    actually believed was the world's leading expert on the subject. LOLOL You really do crack me up. Endlessly entertaining.

    What "world class scientist"?
    I already told you...the ones from Sandia National Laboratories who oversee those facilities.

    Provide us with names and links to exactly what they say that you claim contradicts my world class oil expert.
    I told you exactly what they said and it came in the form of a letter from the Department of Energy to Republican lawmakers. But perhaps you should first give us a quote from your supposed "world class expert" where she says no more oil can be removed
    from the SPR, thereby rendering it effectively empty. I strongly suspect it exists only in your imagination. I did a quick search and found no evidence of her making such a ridiculous assertion. I doubt she would appreciate you holding her out as a moron.

    Bullshit hearsay. Where is the letter? Who are these supposed experts? What party affiliation do they have? Who do they work for specifically? I see your vague claims, but you haven't backed up anything with literally anything. Meanwhile, I
    provided specifica evidence and witnesses.

    I don't even know why you keep mentioning Fox news.....I haven't seen Fox news in many many years.

    Where did I say you watch Fox News? I said she is a Fox News talking head.
    Who, chigrl? If Trady was on Fox, it's not that she's a talking head, it's just that they finally figured out she's an industry leader that everyone respect and that made them put her on their show. It's not some career life loser version of a
    scientist who works for the govt turning on and off spigots and saying whatever they are told....and I know you are totally unfamiliar with how the military and federal govt works, but you NEVER counter the approved narrative...EVER.
    What I rarely if ever do is go against the preponderance of expert evidence. It's -EV.

    Expert? Expert according to whom? Who is this expert? You seem to generalize the existence of experts, but you can't name the one you are quoting or provide documentation of what you allege he said.\

    I do know one thing...Scientists who want continued funding will say whatever they need to say publicly in order to keep receiving their paychecks and grants.
    More conspiracy theories.
    And, with respect to Chigrl she's respected across the oil industry and by many others as the go to person when it comes to the oil business. Plus, you got to see >evidence from other video I posted. Meanwhile you haven't posted a single name or
    video reference to your bullshit claim. So, You lose, as always.
    She isn't even a scientist. She has a degree in political science, and your imagined status as spokesperson for "the oil industry" carries no weight whatsoever. I will be a spokesperson for the oil industry and say they don't even slightly dislike
    the idea of 350 million bought and paid for barrels of oil buried in the ground in such a way that it can never be used. lol

    Ya, same way Steve Jobs wasn't much of a scientist. She's a well known industry leader long before she was on Fox, you dumb fuck. And, she's the expert that genuine experts in other fields listen to in the finance world. And, THAT is what counts out
    there you ignorant moron.
    She is a non-scientist supposedly (according to you) commenting on scientific issues and contradicting actual geoscientists charged with responsibility for the facilities. Like I said, you have very poor critical thinking skills.

    I didn't specify anything about her education only you did. And, you can't even provide us with any "scientist". And, even if you could, we don't know if they have that exact expertise or are they just button pusher career types following orders that
    come down from whatever moron-de-jour is running the Dept of Energy? Fact i[s you don't know jack shit and can't provide any evidence whatsoever that can refute my well known indisputable industry expert who specializes on knowing this exact thing.
    You are beyond incompetent.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 09:59:24 2023
    On 9/13/2023 8:37 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:33:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:39:23 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:35:26 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).
    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.
    Still unable or refuses to answer a few very basic economic questions, despite his claim of being an expert in economics. Can anyone guess why?

    I answered all economic questions you posed, less anything with the word Trump in it Furthermore, I answered much more specifically on inflation than Jay Powell who only says that he learned more about how little he knows about inflation. But that's a
    guy in his 70's and I've read before that 50% of anyone in their 70's is showing at least beginning signs of alzheimers. You repetition on the same moot point makes me think you are showing signs of early onset alzheimers. And, don't think it can't
    happen. A friend I grew up with who became Deputy Chief in LAPD just died of early onset Alzheimers and he was younger than you, Bill....and he declined ever so rapidly. Maybe you should get checked out.

    More dodging. What kind of self-proclaimed economic expert would want to ignore the extraordinary things that happened during the Trump administration on the current economic landscape? Well, that's an easy answer: a phony one.

    All you have is Jerry's stupid repetition as if anything you say is
    worth considering. Dodge and run

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Sep 14 12:02:04 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:03:16 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 12:52 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.


    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.
    My mom and dad were married on October 27, 1929 ... two days later was
    Black Monday.

    At that time, my dad was working for the railroad and did not lose his
    job. He was a lucky one. During the depression he built his/our home
    and both he and my mom died in that home. It is still a nice home in a
    nice neighborhood. That depression was really, really bad. Think about
    all the folks still entombed in the concrete of Hoover Dam ...
    .

    Oh Jesus....

    There are no 'folks still entombed" in Hoover Dam..

    Stopped reading...
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Thu Sep 14 12:09:42 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:05:57 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:52:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Everything everywhere is headed toward collapse eventually, but there is no indication the US economy is going to "collapse" anytime in the foreseeable future.

    Fuck you. I want to see you and Jerry starving so bad.
    So we can be as miserable as you?
    .

    But I won't be miserable if you and Jerry are hurting. It will make me happy to see you suffer. You deserve to suffer.
    .

    Heh. I'm in my 25th year of (Government) retirement. Four streams of income. Live in the most popular Master Planned
    Community in the nation. Single story, extra sized back yard. Pool. Hot tub. Elevated garden. All paid for from day one.

    Yet you admit to being the one suffering. (And refusing to take the advice of your betters).

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:25:17 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:41:44 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    So, more Whataboutisms? Trump has been gone for years. Is your guy so pathetic, you still have to bring up Trump?
    You were clearly implying (in context with the nonsense that you were replying to) that Democrats are the source of the problem. It's not "whataboutism" to refute that.
    You didn't refute anything. You merely pulled out the handy Trump strawman argument because it's more convenient than dealing with your own problems.

    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come on, a
    self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.j

    Regarding money supply and inflation....that genie popped out of the bottle with Obama's 10Trillion in debt.
    .

    LOL! Stopped reading, started laughing. this wounded fool doesn't know that the trump administrating,
    BY ITSELF, in four years, increased our national debt by 25%. SINCE THE BEGINNING OF OUR COUNTRY.

    And he didn't know it.....

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:18:17 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a man
    made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason. Every
    time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are running
    out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are way too
    many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this and
    with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are
    indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along
    forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an
    anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the
    rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he
    will meet with his grandson that he denies having.
    .

    The Only thing anyone needs to know about inflation is that energy is inflation...

    LOL! "The only think anyone need to know about Jack Off is, he thinks "Energy is inflation!"

    (This guy bitch-slaps himself... LOL)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:15:54 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:09:57 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a
    man made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason.
    Every time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are
    running out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are
    way too many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this
    and with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    Despite democrats constantly be wrong, I've never heard them admit they are wrong...they'll just say they didn't try it the right way and need to keep going with more money with a few minor changes
    .
    How much did the national debt increase and by what percentage did the M2 increase during the Trump presidency?
    ..

    So, more Whataboutisms?
    .

    WHOA! Cowardly asshole. You running from me AGAIN?
    You taking another bitch-slapping from me AGAIN.
    You running from me fast enough to catch up to Irish Prick?
    .
    .

    (God DAMN this is fun.....)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 12:30:30 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation. Come
    on, a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be
    around a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.
    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument.
    .

    LOLOL He loses again.

    "Again?" Bill, he's NEVER won a single point. It's

    He still loses...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:33:03 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:24:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:02:52 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 3:15:54 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Since you are a self-proclaimed expert in economics, why didn't you answer my question? It was a very important one. Then tell me what the typical lag time is between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation.
    Come on, a self-proclaimed expert like you should know these numbers off the top of your head. I certainly do.
    Ok, let's talk about lag times in money supply. IMO, since rate increases are also related to money supply, we'll talk about lag times on rate increases. The consensus on lag time for the effects of rate increases to take effect is said to be
    around a year for each increase. Now, during the pandemic we got to see the lag effect between Biden printing all that funny money and how long it took for inflation to take hold. And, it probably took over a year, but once it took hold, it hit so fast
    that JPowell went from saying rate increases weren't even on the horizon to giving us the fastest rate increases in history.
    You didn't answer my questions. They really shouldn't be that difficult for a self-proclaimed economics expert. Three numbers:

    1) the amount the national debt increased during the Trump administration
    2) the percentage the M2 money supply increased during the Trump administration
    3) the typical lag time between an inordinate increase in money supply and the resultant peak inflation

    You can guess if you don't know. I'm always here to guide you when you fall.
    Quit trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a Trump strawman argument.
    .
    LOLOL He loses again.
    .

    WTF are you smoking?

    See? His hesitant supporters have disappeared (in shame).

    HE STILL LOSES...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 12:34:32 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:39:23 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:35:26 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    In other words you have nothing. If you don't know the answers, just say so. I promise I won't laugh at you (out loud).
    If that's what you have to tell yourself to protect your ego, have at it, Hoss.
    .
    Still unable or refuses to answer a few very basic economic questions, despite his claim of being an expert in economics.
    Can anyone guess why?
    .

    He's still losing.
    (Not a guess)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Thu Sep 14 12:36:35 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:08:16 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 10:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 11:22 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:17:35 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:49:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 6:21:22 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:23:02 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Your dumbass does know how many times they revise and/or put out different versions of that data just to satisfy a narrative. Just to show you how fucking stupid you are, let me hand hold you thru some inconvenient facts. We were in a
    man made pademic of democrat(fauci) origin. During that time low paid jobs got wiped out and people were just given money....so millions of people not working and collecting free money....so duh, the only people left working were the high paid remote
    workforce high tech types and the overpaid govt types making OT.
    But, when you take a different data set including the entire workforce, it's been much lower since Biden took office. You see how how you losers tweak the data? You democrats put everyone out of work...blew trillions in supporting them
    and then cleverly claim the median income went up. So, fuck you personally, BillB, and fuck your data manipulation

    You just got fucking schooled, bitch.
    You are just a hopeless conspiracy theorist, and you don't have the very first clue what you are talking about. I can't help someone who is unwilling to learn.
    Ah, yes, the age old default 'Conspiracy theorist" label designed to discredit anyone for no reason other than what they say being inconvenient to your narrative. Note: The term "Conspiracy theorist" was invented for that very reason.
    Every time a libtard uses the term "Conspiracy theorist", I know they just got checkmated.
    I'm sorry that you are in denial, but what you have been repeatedly describing are quite literally conspiracy theories (and massive conspiracies at that), and every example of authoritative economic data I show you that disproves your
    narrative is denied because you claim it is manipulated in furtherance of those conspiracies. My advice to you would be to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by wacko sources like Zero Hedge, the Shadow Man and Alex Jones. They are just making
    money telling people like you what they want to hear.
    What I know BillB, and recognize in old farts like you is that you are in the age of realizing how useless and powerless you are at this point and trying to prove to the world you still matter. But, you don't matter....I mean, you are
    running out of time in life..and you are spending it try to prove to both you and me that you are relevant....and you aren't....not at all....maybe never were, but you deceived yourself thinking your law degree meant something....guess what...there are
    way too many lawyers in this world......if you wanted to matter, you should have been a doctor or an engineer....or maybe someone's plumber, after all you are so acquainted with wallowing in your own bullshit.
    In other words you have nothing. Not sure why you keep calling me old. You said you retired at 50 so you can't be much younger than me.
    If I retired, maybe I'm 26. And, I've showed you inside and out time and again how I more thoroughly analyze any data whereas you blindly believe any shit sandwich you are fed by govt...but I'd expect nothing less than a libtard who lives to
    have nanny state govt control his life. Maybe they can come cut your steak for you, too. Oh, wait, that's right...you'll be eating bugs soon instead.
    You said you retired at 50. And you haven't analyzed any data. All you have done is reject authoritative data out of hand in favor of some bizarre notion of a massive intergovernmental conspiracies for which you have no evidence (Alex Jones
    level stupidity). The colloquial term is "kook."


    And, how dumb do you have to be to not realize they keep re-jiggering the inflation formula to always make the current administration look good? Oh, and what a massive "Straw Man" argument you make trying to inject Alex Jones into all of this
    and with the assumption he's somehow wrong on everything.
    Bill believes that there is no end to the road ... keep kicking the can.
    One can create "more real money" by just printing some paper. We are >> indeed pushing the old idea that "all empires fail" ... maybe he
    actually believes that if we just had the correct collection of
    dictators that "knew how to do it correctly" we could just go along >> forever ... maybe ... hard to tell if he really is more than just an >> anonymous internet troll beating off to the attention he gets.

    I said nor implied no such thing. Take your meds.
    L O L

    The CPI rose 3.7% in August, quicker than July's rate 3.2% - and the rate of 3.5% expected by economists. Gasoline and FOOD were the
    drivers. Nobody needs that crap anyway ... reelect Biden ... maybe he will meet with his grandson that he denies having.
    The Only thing anyone needs to know about inflation is that energy is inflation...if you increase the cost of energy, you increase inflation for everything....and now that Joe Biden has depleted our oil reserves, energy prices are going to go insane..
    ..so inflation will NOT BE GOING DOWN.
    .

    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.

    Oh no! Even Tim is taking he turn bitch-slapping jack off...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:38:47 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    .

    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...
    .

    Delusions of grandeur... It's all he has left.....

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:41:02 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?
    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    .

    See?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:42:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:28:03 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve
    else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    .
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    .
    Yes it is, dumbfuck.

    And there it is... It's why he can't reply to me at all...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 12:40:36 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil reserve else
    you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have evidence of
    damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?
    .

    It's all he has left. He's beyond embarrassment. He has only self debasement and that's all...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 12:45:06 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?
    I never said they don't exist....
    .

    See? Absolute denial.

    Go fuck yourself.

    Capitulation...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 14 12:49:49 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:42:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:31:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:39:39 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:34:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:24:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:11:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:04:58 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:43:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    The oil reserve is not 'depleted'. It is down about 36% from one year ago.
    Tim, you are a complete moron here. I actually talk to the foremost oil expert out there...she goes by chigrl on twitter. She talks about that SPR reserve a lot and here is what you obviously don't realize. You can't fully empty the oil
    reserve else you weaken the integrity of it's walls and it becomes useless. They have already withdrawn more oil than she said they'd be physically able to do....and the last week or two, Biden put a little back in, so I'm guessing they already have
    evidence of damage. So, effectively, that SPR reserve is empty. Now, sure if we went to war, maybe we'd empty it because we had no choice, but for all intents and purposes at the moment, it's completely empty.
    LOL Do you ever tire of making an absolute fool of yourself?

    JFC you are stupid. Research it yourself, MORON.
    There are currently over 350 million barrels of oil in the SPR. That is not "for all intents and purposes completely empty."
    https://www.aapg.org/publications/news/spheresofinfluence/details/articleid/36728/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve#:~:text=These%20multiple%20drawdowns%20have%20caused,shrinking%20due%20to%20tectonic%20stresses
    And what does any of that have to do with you claiming that 350 million barrels doesn't exist when it does?

    I never said they don't exist....I said the part of the SPR you can use is empty.
    And it is not.
    And, furthermore, you know god damn well all along that's what I was saying as I th oroughly explained i t repeatedly, so go fuck yourself
    .

    If that's what you were saying all along then you were wrong all along.

    A tip of the hat, Bill. This fool just learned what happens going against a lawyer when sitting the witness chair.
    Case closed...

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 14 13:49:14 2023
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it - you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to RichD on Fri Sep 15 10:18:26 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it - you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich

    I am materially much better off than my parents or English grandparents, ever were.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to RichD on Fri Sep 15 11:02:54 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 1:49:18 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it - you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich

    How do you define falling behind? Let me give it a shot. 1. Life expectancy is going down. That's a big one. 2. Birth rates are down(often a sign of stressed populations in animals). 3. Marriage is being delayed because people can't afford it...
    even if they have the nice Iphone or can shop amazon 4. Home ownership of young generations is being delayed and lowered. 5. Quality of food is getting worse...in the average shopping cart. 6. Cars are being driven for longer because people can't
    afford new ones. 7. People are working insane hours....you act like technology is a gift...it's making people into slaves to their job. 8. Homeless, drug addiction, crime, etc all getting worse. 9. Zoomers are essentially hopeless there will ever be
    a retirement.
    You act like people are getting ahead via technological hedonic adjustments? All I've seen my entire life is different versions of people coping to a worse climate...first women had to start working....then pensions and unions disappeared...then social
    security got delayed...then the quality of a lot of goods actually got worse, but you don't account for that reverse hedonics. Also, if you are claiming this technology is keeping people from falling behind, if that were true, technology wouldn't be
    used as a hedonic tradeoff in CPI....technology would be accreditive in our lives without the contrived inclusion to CPI. BTW, how do you explain all the hedonics excuse in healthcare when all we're seeing is worse outcomes in lifespan?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Fri Sep 15 11:15:04 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:18:31 AM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it -
    you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich
    I am materially much better off than my parents or English grandparents, ever were.

    Oh really? How so? My parents and grandparents got to go fishing at the piers in California and caught magnificent fish that just aren't there these days? I'd say I'm less better off because of that. State tax and Sales tax in CA was a lot less when
    my grandparents and dad were young. Definitely gotta say I'm materially worse off in that respect. Rent was a very small portion of ones paycheck back then, too. These days in CA, people are paying over 50% and car payments on average around $1kUSD/
    month. Oh, my dad and grandpa could go out and get laid without the risk of herpes or AIDS. That one probably doesn't apply to you, but the rest of us may make us materially worse off. All my grandparents and parents had nice pensions....how many
    Americans will retire with a pension these days? Sure, we have high tech cell phones, but that just makes everyone a slave to it as they ignore their friends while on the phone, ignore life while they are on the phone, and always at the service to that
    phone. How about vegas? Used to be able to get easy comps and good gambling odds in vegas. Now they hit you up for parking fees, resort fees, many taxes on every entertainment, and vegas appears to have turned much more dangerous? My grandparents
    and parents never had to deal with homeless. Now they are everywhere as our drug addicts. My grandparents and parents never had to worry about stepping in human shit in the street nor worry about needles all over....imagine the risk that poses to
    children these days. Life for my parents was much better than my grandparents who had to suffer the Great depression and WW2, but things are changing for the worse these days and it's obvious to the younger generations.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to RichD on Fri Sep 15 14:11:50 2023
    "Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:d9f29a06-deb0-454e-88e3-8237a74b29ccn@googlegroups.com...

    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during
    the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD
    depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain
    it -
    you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich

    I am materially much better off than my parents or English grandparents,
    ever were.

    ______________



    That may be true in a collective sense--humans have more advanced tech that ostensibly make our lives "easier" but "better off" is a subjective view.
    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.

    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed right now. A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Fri Sep 15 14:21:46 2023
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" -
    imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain

    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.

    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income:  $2900 https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020:   $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia.  It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data.  Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Oprah:  "Ma'am, you're 92, and you're still spry!  What's your secret?"
    "I drink chamomile tea daily."
    "Yes folks, drink chamomile tea, and you too will live forever!"

    It's frightening that these nitwits sit on juries -

    --
    Rich

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Sep 15 15:48:20 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.

    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to RichD on Fri Sep 15 15:28:44 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:21:50 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - >> imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain

    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more
    better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed
    right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.
    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income: $2900 https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia. It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.



    Oprah: "Ma'am, you're 92, and you're still spry! What's your secret?"
    "I drink chamomile tea daily."
    "Yes folks, drink chamomile tea, and you too will live forever!"

    It's frightening that these nitwits sit on juries -

    --
    Rich

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Sep 15 15:51:57 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.

    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Fri Sep 15 16:21:11 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:12:00 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:d9f29a06-deb0-454e...@googlegroups.com...
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    On September 12, jack roth wrote:
    Real income has net gone down since 71 with a very minor except during the internet boom.
    And, you can't argue otherwise...besides the face that the USD depreciated 70% after we got
    off the gold standard and they revised inflation to hide it for 40 years....

    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]

    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain Trumpaphoria to a large degree -

    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain
    it -
    you'd have to ask Darwin -

    --
    Rich

    I am materially much better off than my parents or English grandparents, ever were.
    ______________



    That may be true in a collective sense--humans have more advanced tech that ostensibly make our lives "easier" but "better off" is a subjective view. Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.

    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed right now. A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.

    How many tons did they weigh? This is $9 (US) at a Taco Bell here: https://cdn.tictuk.com/c5440240-6dbf-78f2-5f7c-82957ec2ad0e/b0116c41-e110-9f82-a1b4-43201548b7a1.png?a=869d8655-57f1-6cf3-c1dd-3de5ff47b45b

    That's easily enough food for two people in my book, but you'd have to pay me to eat any of it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Sep 15 23:13:41 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.

    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering of
    the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 16 00:08:22 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with
    our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering of
    the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.

    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well that
    their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing
    something interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything?
    Has Janet Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted
    not giving two shits what the politics were of his decisions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Sep 15 23:32:14 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with
    our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering of the
    SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.

    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 16 00:20:12 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons
    with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering of
    the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well that
    their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing something
    interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has Janet
    Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not giving two
    shits what the politics were of his decisions.

    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 16 00:38:58 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons
    with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering
    of the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well that
    their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing something
    interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has Janet
    Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not giving two
    shits what the politics were of his decisions.
    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL

    You haven't proven at all that the data you provided is accurate. I've given you multiple reasons questioning it's accuracy. It's your turn to provide proof that the evidence you submit is accurate. I mean...we heard your dumb ass the first 20 times
    throw out bullshit as if it was god's testimony, but we haven't had any time of validation of your evidence. Sounds like you make a lame lawyer....then again, you are canadian.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 16 00:53:33 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:39:04 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such
    gluttons with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the
    engineering of the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well
    that their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing
    something interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has
    Janet Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not
    giving two shits what the politics were of his decisions.
    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL
    You haven't proven at all that the data you provided is accurate. I've given you multiple reasons questioning it's accuracy. It's your turn to provide proof that the evidence you submit is accurate. I mean...we heard your dumb ass the first 20 times
    throw out bullshit as if it was god's testimony, but we haven't had any time of validation of your evidence. Sounds like you make a lame lawyer....then again, you are canadian.

    You haven't given any rational reason to question it's accuracy (evidence-free massive conspiracy theories are not rational), but if you are claiming universally accepted and meticulously verified economic data is fake, then remember that extraordinary
    claims require extraordinary evidence. Not only do you have no extraordinary evidence of your massive (and idiotic) conspiracy theory...you have no evidence at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 16 06:11:56 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:53:37 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:39:04 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such
    gluttons with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the
    engineering of the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well
    that their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing
    something interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has
    Janet Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not
    giving two shits what the politics were of his decisions.
    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL
    You haven't proven at all that the data you provided is accurate. I've given you multiple reasons questioning it's accuracy. It's your turn to provide proof that the evidence you submit is accurate. I mean...we heard your dumb ass the first 20 times
    throw out bullshit as if it was god's testimony, but we haven't had any time of validation of your evidence. Sounds like you make a lame lawyer....then again, you are canadian.
    You haven't given any rational reason to question it's accuracy (evidence-free massive conspiracy theories are not rational), but if you are claiming universally accepted and meticulously verified economic data is fake, then remember that extraordinary
    claims require extraordinary evidence. Not only do you have no extraordinary evidence of your massive (and idiotic) conspiracy theory...you have no evidence at all.

    Ok, I'll you a simple fucking one that nobody, even you, can deny. All those economic charts are affected by oil prices because energy IS the economy. And, Biden has been oil gimmicking the oil prices for a long time now with the massive oil SPR
    releases which lowered oil prices in a very faux and temporary manner that rigs everything while it lasts. But, as I said, those days of SPR releases are over because it's EFFECTIVELY empty and Biden can't really release more . the Russians and Saudis
    know this and now they are going to turn the screws. Oil is already back at 94 and will be over 100 probably next week. The economy is crashing right before our eyes. Certainly there will be differences...for example, in 2008 everyone was being re-
    adjusted to higher rates on their home loans. This time everyone is in 3% loans and aren't budging for now since everyone got a free ride on both school loans and home loans for 2 years...but that's over now.
    Also, another absolute fact that is used to skew those charts are the way they report data....like jobs....they already report super good jobs numbers and then repeatedly revise them lower over the following months. They do this constantly. You'll get
    Biden lying about 190K new jobs...only to find over the next two months it was revised to 110K. Happens consatantly and that effects the charts too. This data manipulation for narrative control is wide spread....even Obama was photographed reading a
    book "How to lie with statistics". Lying is the one true competency in the democrat party.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 16 09:04:13 2023
    On 9/15/2023 5:28 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:21:50 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" - >>>> imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish
    to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain

    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more >>> better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed >>> right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.
    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia. It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.

    Add Jerry to your circle J O and all will be just swell.

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000

    about 3000% increase

    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ...
    now over two bucks

    4000% give or take?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat Sep 16 09:01:35 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:04:30 AM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/15/2023 5:28 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:21:50 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" -
    imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish >>>> to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain >>>
    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more
    better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed
    right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.
    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia. It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.
    Add Jerry to your circle J O and all will be just swell.

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000

    about 3000% increase

    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ...
    now over two bucks

    4000% give or take?

    You can see similar increases for bread, eggs, meat, ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Sat Sep 16 11:11:36 2023
    On 9/16/2023 11:01 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:04:30 AM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/15/2023 5:28 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:21:50 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" -
    imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish >>>>>> to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain >>>>>
    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more
    better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed
    right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.
    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia. It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.
    Add Jerry to your circle J O and all will be just swell.

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000

    about 3000% increase

    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ...
    now over two bucks

    4000% give or take?

    You can see similar increases for bread, eggs, meat, ...

    You are correct ... BillB is a fake.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 16 13:04:13 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years
    of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men).
    .
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do.
    .

    There you go, Bill. You wondered what value they'd put on it, and our local Jack Off says,
    "My grandpa is better than yours!..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 16 13:07:19 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with
    our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the engineering of
    the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    .

    Com 'on Bill. Not 'amusing,' Clownish.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 16 13:10:59 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:39:04 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such
    gluttons with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the
    engineering of the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well
    that their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing
    something interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has
    Janet Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not
    giving two shits what the politics were of his decisions.
    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL
    .

    You haven't proven at all that the data you provided is accurate.

    LOL! Says the coward that RUNS, ever time he's ask to *** SHOW!" ***











    I've given you multiple reasons
    questioning it's accuracy. It's your turn to provide proof that the evidence you submit is accurate. I mean...we heard your dumb ass the first 20 times throw out bullshit as if it was god's testimony, but we haven't had any time of validation of your
    evidence. Sounds like you make a lame lawyer....then again, you are canadian.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat Sep 16 13:14:52 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:04:30 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/15/2023 5:28 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:21:50 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On September 15, Mossingen wrote:
    How many passenger miles did Joe Spud fly in 1971, vs. 2019?
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    [ insert 10000 similar examples which instantly come to mind]
    I'm tempted to call this notion - "The middle class is falling behind!" -
    imbecilic, but won't, because it's SUB imbecilic, and I have no wish >>>> to offend decent imbeciles the world over. But it does explain
    Trumpaphoria to a large degree -
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain >>>
    Like Maverick said, there's a case to be made that Americans were much more
    better off in the 1950s than today on a lot of levels.
    Everyone I know, especially young people, feel like they are being squeezed
    right now.
    A guy posted a TikTok video the other day where he took his
    family of four to Taco Bell and it was almost $60.
    Right on cue!

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    Thank you for making my point about nostalgia. It's related to
    the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes. I see this every day.

    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such gluttons with our
    newfound wealth.
    .

    Add Jerry to your circle J O and all will be just swell.
    .

    WHOA! Did I sting you that badly? Was it fatal? Can you recover from your embarrassment?

    (Perhaps you should RUN again...)

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Sep 18 10:48:50 2023
    On September 16, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was a nickel ...
    now over two bucks

    You can see similar increases for bread, eggs, meat, ...

    Since 1990, the U.S. male has gained over 20 lb., on average.
    Because, uh, calories have become less affordable.

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to da pickle on Mon Sep 18 11:03:52 2023
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959
    Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data.
    Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to RichD on Mon Sep 18 13:44:05 2023
    On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959 Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data.
    Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich

    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Mon Sep 18 13:16:49 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:44:24 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959 Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data.
    Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich
    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

    I noticed he had to cherry pick the data all the way back to 1960. Wonder howit'd change if I got to cherry pick the data.

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to RichD on Wed Sep 20 16:39:46 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:48:55 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was a nickel ...
    now over two bucks

    You can see similar increases for bread, eggs, meat, ...
    Since 1990, the U.S. male has gained over 20 lb., on average.
    Because, uh, calories have become less affordable.
    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. Instead,
    they live in their dream world of anecdotes.
    --
    Rich

    No. Cheap calories have become even more available, thanks to government subsidies on High Fructose Corn Syrup.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Sep 21 14:00:06 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 6:12:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:53:37 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:39:04 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:08:26 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Leave it to Beaver Syndrome. I wonder what monetary value they would put on an extra 10 years of life expectancy over 1950 (more for men). Or is that just more fake data? And it would be a lot more than 10 years if we weren't such
    gluttons with our newfound wealth.
    Hey, BillB, my grandfather had a much better chance to making it to 93 than you do. And, lay off the Beaver, Bill. He's been one of my neighbors for decades and he's a nice guy.
    I give you data, you give me anecdotes. Some things never change.
    You've never given us anything. I gave you actual data, actual experts I could name, and further video. You gave some generalized bullshit claim of the existence of some unnamed scientists who you alleged support your position on the
    engineering of the SPR...without even accounting for the fact that no scientist is an engineer. You are like Jerry's stepchild you are getting so bad.
    I've given you a dozen or more charts of economic data, all proving you wrong about everything you said. You had no better option but to declare it all "fake." LOL You are an amusing guy, I'll give you that.
    I gave you very specific, exact, and legitimate reason for viewing all Fed data with a jaundiced eye. You are a moron for being in denial about it because literally anyone who knows anything about Federal employees in the USA know god damn well
    that their only concern is making their federal pension and maybe getting promotions by toeing the narrative. And, the fact that they regularly change or remove data offered on the Fred site, like various money supplies, any time they start showing
    something interesting is evidence their concern is to deprive the people of any relevant knowledge of what's actually going on that matters. I mean...do you really think a couple ancient farts like Jay Powell and Janet Yellen actually know anything? Has
    Janet Yellen ever been right on anything? Has Jay Powell ever been accurate? Those positions have become completely political and they can't hold a candle to someone like Paul Volcker who came in as the chair and did whatever the hell he wanted not
    giving two shits what the politics were of his decisions.
    So we're back to all economic data is fake. We heard you the first 20 times. I guess we'll just have to go by feeeeeeellllllings from now on, like you. LOL
    You haven't proven at all that the data you provided is accurate. I've given you multiple reasons questioning it's accuracy. It's your turn to provide proof that the evidence you submit is accurate. I mean...we heard your dumb ass the first 20
    times throw out bullshit as if it was god's testimony, but we haven't had any time of validation of your evidence. Sounds like you make a lame lawyer....then again, you are canadian.
    You haven't given any rational reason to question it's accuracy (evidence-free massive conspiracy theories are not rational), but if you are claiming universally accepted and meticulously verified economic data is fake, then remember that
    extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not only do you have no extraordinary evidence of your massive (and idiotic) conspiracy theory...you have no evidence at all.
    Ok, I'll you a simple fucking one that nobody, even you, can deny. All those economic charts are affected by oil prices because energy IS the economy. And, Biden has been oil gimmicking the oil prices for a long time now with the massive oil SPR
    releases which lowered oil prices in a very faux and temporary manner that rigs everything while it lasts. But, as I said, those days of SPR releases are over because it's EFFECTIVELY empty and Biden can't really release more . the Russians and Saudis
    know this and now they are going to turn the screws. Oil is already back at 94 and will be over 100 probably next week. The economy is crashing right before our eyes. Certainly there will be differences...for example, in 2008 everyone was being re-
    adjusted to higher rates on their home loans. This time everyone is in 3% loans and aren't budging for now since everyone got a free ride on both school loans and home loans for 2 years...but that's over now.
    Also, another absolute fact that is used to skew those charts are the way they report data....like jobs....they already report super good jobs numbers and then repeatedly revise them lower over the following months. They do this constantly. You'll get
    Biden lying about 190K new jobs...only to find over the next two months it was revised to 110K. Happens consatantly and that effects the charts too. This data manipulation for narrative control is wide spread....even Obama was photographed reading a book
    "How to lie with statistics". Lying is the one true competency in the democrat party.

    Those are terrible examples. Government policy affects the price of things CONSTANTLY in a million different ways. Releasing oil from the SPF is just that, a policy decision. It goes the other way too. If Biden massively restricted grazing rights on
    federal land and it caused an increase in the price of beef, that would be reflected in the CPI as well, but in the opposite direction. The CPI exists to measure consumer prices, not to evaluate the factors that made those consumer prices what they are.
    So what you have described is no evidence of the CPI being "fake."

    The jobs numbers are adjusted both up and down as more information becomes available, it happens within a short period of time, and the charts are immediately adjusted accordingly. That's another big fail on your part. Sounds like you need a thicker
    gauge of tinfoil.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Sep 21 15:24:49 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:00:18 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Those are terrible examples. Government policy affects the price of things CONSTANTLY in a million different ways. Releasing oil from the SPF is just that, a policy decision. It goes the other way too. If Biden massively restricted grazing rights on
    federal land and it caused an increase in the price of beef, that would be reflected in the CPI as well, but in the opposite direction. The CPI exists to measure consumer prices, not to evaluate the factors that made those consumer prices what they are.
    So what you have described is no evidence of the CPI being "fake."

    1. What you talk about doesn't pertain to anything I'm talking about.
    2. You'll notice that they started manipulating the way CPI was calculated after they went off the gold standard and started spending like drunken sailors. It's funny that this bullshit hedonics didn't affect CPI previously, because using that logic,
    we've always had hedonics in this country, yet it was only a modern convention of using that has suppressed the reported CPI by half ever since. Think about it, you dummy.
    3. You are conflating a "policy" decision with what Biden is doing which is actually a political decision. He's trying to manipluate gas prices downward at the cost of our national security in order to make his administration look good and then also to
    deny Trump the ability to do the same after he's elected in 2024. I'm not letting you moron libtards get away with that obvious manipulation without calling it and it's effects out.

    The jobs numbers are adjusted both up and down as more information becomes available, it happens within a short period of time, and the charts are immediately adjusted accordingly. That's another big fail on your part. Sounds like you need a thicker
    gauge of tinfoil.

    Nah Nah Nah...don't try your bullshit with me...Sure, it can be adjusted up or down, but, of late, it's only being adjusted downward...and readjusted downard in such a fashion that it's being obviously manipulated for the benefit of trying to make the
    Biden admin look better as the election approaches. If there's one thing we all know by now is Biden has lied his entire career and he constantly tries to redefine the truth to his benefit even if they are all outright lies.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Sep 22 09:57:02 2023
    On 9/21/2023 5:24 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:00:18 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    Those are terrible examples. Government policy affects the price of things CONSTANTLY in a million different ways. Releasing oil from the SPF is just that, a policy decision. It goes the other way too. If Biden massively restricted grazing rights on
    federal land and it caused an increase in the price of beef, that would be reflected in the CPI as well, but in the opposite direction. The CPI exists to measure consumer prices, not to evaluate the factors that made those consumer prices what they are.
    So what you have described is no evidence of the CPI being "fake."

    1. What you talk about doesn't pertain to anything I'm talking about.
    2. You'll notice that they started manipulating the way CPI was calculated after they went off the gold standard and started spending like drunken sailors. It's funny that this bullshit hedonics didn't affect CPI previously, because using that logic,
    we've always had hedonics in this country, yet it was only a modern convention of using that has suppressed the reported CPI by half ever since. Think about it, you dummy.
    3. You are conflating a "policy" decision with what Biden is doing which is actually a political decision. He's trying to manipluate gas prices downward at the cost of our national security in order to make his administration look good and then also
    to deny Trump the ability to do the same after he's elected in 2024. I'm not letting you moron libtards get away with that obvious manipulation without calling it and it's effects out.

    The jobs numbers are adjusted both up and down as more information becomes available, it happens within a short period of time, and the charts are immediately adjusted accordingly. That's another big fail on your part. Sounds like you need a thicker
    gauge of tinfoil.

    Nah Nah Nah...don't try your bullshit with me...Sure, it can be adjusted up or down, but, of late, it's only being adjusted downward...and readjusted downard in such a fashion that it's being obviously manipulated for the benefit of trying to make the
    Biden admin look better as the election approaches. If there's one thing we all know by now is Biden has lied his entire career and he constantly tries to redefine the truth to his benefit even if they are all outright lies.

    even his dressing does not make the word salad any more digestible.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Sep 22 09:58:31 2023
    On 9/18/2023 3:16 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:44:24 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>>>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html
    2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959 >>> Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents
    https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data.
    Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich
    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

    I noticed he had to cherry pick the data all the way back to 1960. Wonder howit'd change if I got to cherry pick the data.

    Notice even Jerry has disappeared for a while.

    He'll be back!

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Fri Sep 22 11:59:48 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:58:48 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 3:16 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:44:24 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>>>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html >>>>> 2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959 >>> Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents
    https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. >>>> Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich
    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

    I noticed he had to cherry pick the data all the way back to 1960. Wonder howit'd change if I got to cherry pick the data.
    .

    Notice even Jerry has disappeared for a while.

    Wrong again, pickled brain.
    Have you ever been right about anything?
    (Rhetorical...)

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Sat Sep 23 07:39:31 2023
    On 9/22/2023 1:59 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:58:48 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 3:16 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:44:24 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia, >>>>>>>>> and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html >>>>>>> 2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959 >>>>> Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents
    https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. >>>>>> Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich
    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

    I noticed he had to cherry pick the data all the way back to 1960. Wonder howit'd change if I got to cherry pick the data.
    .

    Notice even Jerry has disappeared for a while. He'll be back!

    Wrong again, pickled brain.
    Have you ever been right about anything?
    (Rhetorical...)

    Told you so

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat Sep 23 10:40:54 2023
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 5:39:45 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/22/2023 1:59 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:58:48 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 3:16 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:44:24 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote: >>>> On 9/18/2023 1:03 PM, RichD wrote:
    On September 16, da pickle wrote:
    Compare the 1971 Sears catalog vs. 2023 Amazon catalog.
    But take consolation, as this mental pathology is called nostalgia,
    and is universal. The psychologists have studied it, but can't explain it.

    1960 median household income: $2900
    https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1962/demo/p60-037.html >>>>>>> 2020: $69000
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110221

    1960 $2900 (using your numbers)
    2020 $69000
    about 3000% increase
    a single coke at the drugstore was
    a nickel ... now over two bucks
    4000% give or take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_price_of_Coca-Cola_from_1886_to_1959
    Coke, 1960, 6.5 oz: 5 cents
    https://www.target.com/p/coca-cola-20-fl-oz-bottle/-/A-12953529
    Coke, 2020, 20 oz: $2.19 ==> 6.5 oz: 70 cents

    inflated price: 14x
    inflated income: 23x

    It's related to the inability of humans to deal with facts and data. >>>>>> Instead, they live in their dream world of anecdotes.

    --
    Rich
    How much does Target give you for the bottle?

    I noticed he had to cherry pick the data all the way back to 1960. Wonder howit'd change if I got to cherry pick the data.
    .

    Notice even Jerry has disappeared for a while. He'll be back!

    Wrong again, pickled brain.
    Have you ever been right about anything?
    .

    *** We'll have to the following as a, No! ***
    .
    .
    (Rhetorical...)
    Told you so

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