• Re: Watched 2000Mules

    From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Sep 8 21:55:29 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.

    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 21:22:32 2023
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Sep 8 23:23:50 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:55:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.

    This isn't moot court, bill. Just watch it. I'd like to see you argue against what you can see with your own eyes. It's much more and much more detailed than I thought. And, it goes way deeper than any of the crap out there already trying to argue
    against it. Watch it. You won't be sorry.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 9 00:49:37 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:36:23 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:55:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.
    This isn't moot court, bill. Just watch it. I'd like to see you argue against what you can see with your own eyes. It's much more and much more detailed than I thought. And, it goes way deeper than any of the crap out there already trying to argue
    against it. Watch it. You won't be sorry.
    You already got arguments/facts against it from leading experts which you dismissed out of hand. Why do you need me to critique it? The experts cited in the fact checks you were given links to pointed out specific lies and fallacies in the film that
    you obviously slurped up like pablum. You have no critical thinking skills and you are simply going to believe what you want to believe every single time. I can't help you. I tried.

    Leading experts my ass. They obviously didn't even watch the film before they commented, no different from your dumb ass. Go watch....then open your pie hole. That film shoes unrefutable stuff that your "experts" didn't even touch on. It's like they
    didn't see anything at all before they open ed their moron mouths.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 00:36:18 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:55:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.
    This isn't moot court, bill. Just watch it. I'd like to see you argue against what you can see with your own eyes. It's much more and much more detailed than I thought. And, it goes way deeper than any of the crap out there already trying to argue
    against it. Watch it. You won't be sorry.

    You already got arguments/facts against it from leading experts which you dismissed out of hand. Why do you need me to critique it? The experts cited in the fact checks you were given links to pointed out specific lies and fallacies in the film that you
    obviously slurped up like pablum. You have no critical thinking skills and you are simply going to believe what you want to believe every single time. I can't help you. I tried.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 03:10:53 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:49:42 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Leading experts my ass. They obviously didn't even watch the film before they commented, no different from your dumb ass. Go watch....then open your pie hole. That film shoes unrefutable stuff that your "experts" didn't even touch on. It's like they
    didn't see anything at all before they open ed their moron mouths.


    You are totally wasting your time trying to reason with BillBlab. He is an endlessly argumentative asshole. Just like Jerry.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 02:15:21 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:49:42 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:36:23 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:55:35 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.
    This isn't moot court, bill. Just watch it. I'd like to see you argue against what you can see with your own eyes. It's much more and much more detailed than I thought. And, it goes way deeper than any of the crap out there already trying to argue
    against it. Watch it. You won't be sorry.
    You already got arguments/facts against it from leading experts which you dismissed out of hand. Why do you need me to critique it? The experts cited in the fact checks you were given links to pointed out specific lies and fallacies in the film that
    you obviously slurped up like pablum. You have no critical thinking skills and you are simply going to believe what you want to believe every single time. I can't help you. I tried.

    Leading experts my ass. They obviously didn't even watch the film before they commented, no different from your dumb ass. Go watch....then open your pie hole. >That film shoes unrefutable stuff that your "experts" didn't even touch on. It's like they
    didn't see anything at all before they open ed their moron mouths.

    Sorry, it has to make it past the bunk threshold for me to waste my time. It was made by an extreme partisan who was already convicted once of what amounts to election fraud (i.e. he is a criminally dishonest person), the claims and reasoning in the film
    have been debunked by expert after expert after expert, it has failed every fact check, there are several documented lies in the presentation (i.e. more partisan dishonesty), and nobody has dared take this so-called "evidence" to court and proved its
    legitimacy on even a balance of probabilities. We do know that the so-called "stolen election" theory has bombed out of dozens of courts across the political spectrum, and had zero success in any. No offense, but you are easily conned.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 13:30:58 2023
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ... <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election>

    --bks

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sat Sep 9 06:38:03 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ... <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election>

    --bks

    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to jackdennisroth@gmail.com on Sat Sep 9 13:48:31 2023
    jack roth <jackdennisroth@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ...

    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.

    Zero for sixty-three! It's remarkable how the story changes once
    you put the Trumplings under oath.

    --bks

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 07:11:31 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    ..

    You are SO fucking easy…

    LOL. Once again I get to show your ignorance and gullibility.
    (And, yea, I enjoy embarrassing you and watching you run from me).

    Made for “Comedy Documentary” It should have been name “2000 Jokes”

    On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty to one felony count of making illegal contributions in the names of others. On September 23, 2014, the court sentenced D'Souza to five years' probation, eight months in a halfway house (referred to as a "community
    confinement center") and a $30,000 fine. "Mr. D'Souza was, in the So-Called President trumps opinion, a victim of selective prosecution for violations of campaign finance laws. Mr. D'Souza accepted responsibility for his actions, and also completed
    community service by teaching English to citizens and immigrants seeking citizenship," Sanders said. "In light of these facts, the President has determined that Mr. D'Souza is fully worthy of this pardon."

    Still no true evidence of voter fraud like so many of trumps pundits: Rudy Giuliani, etc., have tried to convince the courts and trumps supporters.

    After almost 6 years trump continues to repeat the “Big Lie” that the 2020 Election was stolen from him. Trump made his situation worst by inciting an insurrection to undermine our Democracy with his Mob, but was “FAILED COUP”

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    https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

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    Wikipedia

    2000 Mules is a 2022 American conspiracist[4][5][6] political film from right-wing political commentator Dinesh D'Souza. The film falsely[7][8][9] claims unnamed nonprofit organizations supposedly associated with the Democratic Party paid "mules" to
    illegally collect and deposit ballots into drop boxes in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin during the 2020 presidential election. D'Souza has a history of creating and spreading false conspiracy theories.[10]

    The Associated Press (AP) reported that the film relies on "faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper analysis of cellphone location data" provided by conservative[11] non-profit True the Vote.[7] FactCheck.org found the film's "supposed
    evidence is speculative."[12] National Public Radio (NPR) reported True the Vote "made multiple misleading or false claims about its [own] work".[13] AP reported that the assertion that True the Vote identified 1,155 paid mules in Philadelphia alone was
    false. The film presented a single unverified anonymous witness who said she saw people picking up what she "assumed" were payments for ballot collection in Arizona; no evidence of such payments was presented in any of the other four states.[7] The film
    characterizes the alleged operation as "ballot trafficking" with "stash houses", but presents no evidence that ballots were illegally collected to be deposited in drop boxes.[7][14][15][16]

    A companion book was set to be released in early September 2022 but was abruptly recalled amidst legal threats and edited for release late in October.[5]

    Content and methodology
    2000 Mules opens with a misleadingly edited clip from October 2020 of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden responding to a podcaster's question about boosting his election turnout. After replying, "Republicans are doing everything they can to make it
    harder for people to vote, especially people of color to vote," Biden added, "we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics." His second statement was taken out of context in
    clips and memes that went viral on conservative media at the time, purporting to be an admission that Democrats were preparing to commit election fraud. This was debunked at the time, as Biden was actually referring to safeguarding the vote, later adding,
    "What [Trump] is trying to do is discourage people from voting by implying that their vote won't be counted, it can't be counted, we're going to challenge it and all these things."[17]

    The film relies on data provided by True the Vote. According to NPR, "A conservative 'election integrity' group called True The Vote has made multiple misleading or false claims about its [own] work, NPR has found, including the suggestion that they
    helped solve the murder of an eight-year-old girl in Atlanta. The claims appear in a new pro-Trump film called 2,000 Mules". NPR said that True the Vote's claim that it "solved a murder of a young little girl in Atlanta" was false.[13]

    Analysis conducted by the AP found the film was "based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper analysis of cellphone location data".[7][9] AP explained that in various swing counties across the five states, True the Vote used phone pings
    to cellphone towers to identify people who had passed near ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofit organizations multiple times per day, concluding that such people were paid mules for ballot collection and deposits. Experts said such mobile
    phone tracking was not accurate enough to distinguish alleged mules from many other people who might walk or drive by a ballot box or nonprofit during the course of a day, such as delivery drivers, postal workers and cab drivers. True the Vote asserted
    it had conducted "pattern of life" filtering of such people before election season; the AP noted limitations of that approach.[7]

    The film also asserts that some of the geolocated alleged mules were present at what it called "antifa riots" in Atlanta during the George Floyd protests in spring 2020. AP explained that the geolocation data could not reliably determine why people were
    present at that event; they could have been peaceful protesters, police or firefighters responding to the protests, or business owners in the area. The geolocation data True the Vote had purchased began on October 1, 2020.[18] D'Souza and Gregg Phillips,
    a True the Vote board member, asserted they had matched their geolocation data with data from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED). In the film, Phillips claims that "dozens and dozens and dozens of our mules show up on the ACLED
    databases" as what are characterized as "antifa rioters". ACLED said the claims were categorically false, noting it does not track cellphone data. True the Vote's leader Catherine Engelbrecht asserted Phillips was actually referring to a different
    organization, then mentioned ACLED, but she declined to name the different organization, saying Phillips relied on "multiple databases".[13]

    To illustrate the use of phone geolocation technology, in the film D'Souza speaks with Phillips, who alleges he used it to identify two suspects in an Atlanta homicide cold case, providing his analysis to the FBI, which he and D'Souza suggest resulted in
    arrests of the suspects. The homicide was not a cold case, and both suspects were arrested by state rather than federal officials, with no indication phone geolocation played a role. True the Vote stated days after 2000 Mules was released that it had
    notified the FBI of its analysis more than two months after the suspects had been indicted. Promoting the film on his podcast, D'Souza said the FBI had forwarded the information to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) and the arrests resulted
    shortly thereafter; the GBI denied receiving such information. NPR was unable to confirm that True the Vote had provided analysis to the FBI; Engelbrecht told NPR she would not provide names of any FBI agents she claimed to have contacted "as I do not
    want them harassed". Phillips had previously claimed without evidence that non-citizens illegally cast as many as five million ballots in the 2016 elections.[13]

    The film likened its geolocation methodology to that used by federal investigators to identify individuals inside the U.S. Capitol during the January 6 attack, showing an image of individuals at the centers of large circles of uncertainty, fully within
    the building, to show they were there. Similar large circles of uncertainly would be insufficient to show someone was at, rather than near, a ballot drop box.[15]

    In the film, Phillips shows a diagram on a tablet computer purporting to show a mule traveling to 28 drop boxes in Atlanta. When that diagram is superimposed over a diagram of actual drop box locations, only some of the purported locations are near
    actual drop boxes. Phillips told The Washington Post that "the movie graphics are not literal interpretations of our data." Another diagram in the film purports to show geolocations superimposed over a map of Atlanta, but the map is actually of Moscow.[
    19]

    The film shows surveillance video of people allegedly depositing multiple ballots into drop boxes, though there was no way to match them with the geolocation data, and most states allow such ballot collection on behalf of family members and household
    members. In one segment, Phillips narrates that a woman deposited "a small stack" of ballots into a drop box, though it is not actually clear there was more than one ballot. The deposit allegedly occurred at 1am, after which the woman removed latex
    gloves and threw them away, which the film characterizes as suspicious. The incident occurred on January 5, 2021, during Georgia's runoff election, not during the 2020 presidential election. The film alleges that some of those captured in surveillance
    videos were wearing gloves to avoid leaving their fingerprints on ballots, but the videos are from the fall and winter of 2020, when people were taking precautions during the COVID-19 pandemic.[9][7]

    Phillips narrates a surveillance video in which a man on a bicycle rides up to a drop box and deposits his ballot. Phillips characterizes the man as "sort of frustrated as he starts to leave," though there is no obvious evidence of frustration,
    supposedly because the man had forgotten to photograph himself depositing the ballot. Phillips speculated, "they had started requiring the mules, apparently, to take pictures of the stuffing of the ballots. It appears that that's how they get paid." The
    man later took a photo of his bicycle next to the drop box, leading Catherine Engelbrecht of True the Vote to ask, "If you're just casting your own ballot, what reason in the world would you have to come back and take a picture of the box?" Elections
    officials had encouraged voters to share their experiences on social media to boost turnout; images posted on social media included people depositing ballots at that particular drop box.[15]

    Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said his office investigated a surveillance video from the film showing a man depositing five ballots into a drop box, finding he had lawfully deposited ballots for himself and his family.[20] It was one of
    at least three surveillance videos from the film found by Georgia investigators to show lawful depositing of multiple ballots.[12]

    2000 Mules does not inform viewers that, even if the events it depicts occurred, every absentee ballot deposited in a drop box must be inside an envelope sent to each registered voter that includes the voter's registration information, signature, and a
    barcode for verification. Ballots lacking the envelope are rejected. True the Vote did not assert any of the ballots involved in the alleged mule scheme were illegal, though in the film D'Souza falsely asserts the Georgia man depositing multiple ballots
    for himself and his family was committing a "crime" with "fraudulent" ballots. In an interview with Philip Bump of The Washington Post, D'Souza asserted that, despite not having shown there was any illegal ballot trafficking operation, any ballot
    delivered by such a process would therefore be invalid. The Republican chairman of the Georgia election board explained that a valid ballot remains so regardless of how it was received.[20][8][12]

    AP reported that the film's assertion that True the Vote identified 1,155 paid mules in Philadelphia alone was false. The film presents a single anonymous witness who says she saw people picking up what she "assumed" were payments for ballot collection
    in Arizona; no evidence of payments was presented in any of the other four states.[7] Engelbrecht states in the film that according to unidentified "people who have shared information with us, it’s generally $10 a ballot" for what is characterized as "
    ballot trafficking" through "stash houses," but the film presents no evidence that ballots were collected from a nonprofit to be deposited in drop boxes. The film speculates that nonprofits acquired ballots from voters who had moved or died, by stealing
    them from mailboxes, or by coercion of incapacitated elderly people.[15][16][12] None of the surveillance videos in the film show anyone dropping off ballots more than once.[21] True the Vote claims about video of multiple drops by an individual, "Some
    of that footage was shown in the first trailer. It was taken out because the video is extremely poor quality."[22]

    D'Souza asserted as many as 400,000 ballots may have been involved, "more than enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election," though True the Vote did not allege any of the ballots were illegal.[8]

    The film shows a supercut of news clips after election day saying the results had changed from the night before. D'Souza describes what he and others consider suspicious the fact that Trump was leading in some key states early on election night, only for
    Biden to win the states by the next morning. This is attributable to a phenomenon known as blue shift, or red mirage: Republicans have a greater tendency to vote in person and their ballots are counted early, while Democrats have a greater tendency to
    vote by absentee ballots, which are counted later. This disparity was more pronounced in the 2020 election because Trump had spent months discouraging his supporters from voting by absentee ballot, which in some cases resulted in expected large jumps in
    Biden votes as absentee ballots were counted overnight.[17][23][24]

    The last third of the film consists of a panel discussion among several conservative and right-wing pundits, all of whom have shows with conservative outlet Salem Media Group, which was an executive producer of the film.[15]

    Phillips said in an interview with right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, one of the panelists in the film, that it took "12 people 16 hours a day for 15 months" to conduct their data analysis. Phillips said part of the analysis was conducted at the High
    Performance Computing Collaboratory at Mississippi State University. A university spokesman said he was not aware of any such analysis conducted there, noting Phillips had taken a publicly available tour and leased office space in a separate building in
    the same research park that "appeared to us to be sporadically used, if at all".[13]

    The film conflates with its premise a case involving unlawful ballot collection by two Yuma County, Arizona, women during the August 2020 primary elections; the women had collected ballots for others, though they were not family members or caregivers as
    required by law, and their prosecutions were underway before the film's release. D'Souza said during a podcast that the Yuma County sheriff saw the film, "went berserk and has opened up an investigation" and "I believe there will be arrests very soon."
    The sheriff denied the claim, saying he had been investigating a variety of alleged voter misconduct issues for over a year, none of which were related to the film's claims.[25] He later claimed that these two women pled guilty after having watched the
    film 2000 Mules. Alma Juarez pled guilty on January 18, 2022[26] and Guillerma Fuentes pled guilty on April 11, 2022,[27] whereas the film had a wide release on May 25, and limited screenings May 2 and 4, 2022, making this impossible.[28]

    Trump ally Patrick Byrne, who financially backed the Maricopa County, Arizona ballot audit that attempted but failed to find 2020 voting fraud in the county, also falsely said the Yuma investigation was in direct response to the film.[29][30]

    True the Vote did not cooperate with investigations by Georgia election officials, refusing to disclose the names of people who allegedly collected ballots. The State Election Board issued subpoenas to the organization in April 2022, seeking documents,
    recordings and names of individuals involved; the Board sued the organization in July 2023 for failure to comply with the subpoenas.[20][31] The GBI examined the True the Vote allegations in fall 2021 but did not find sufficient evidence to open an
    investigation. In a letter to True the Vote, the bureau noted that the data it was provided counted a "visit" to a drop box as extending to a radius of 100 feet (30 m). The GBI letter also mentioned that it was given cell site location information (CSLI),
    which is far less accurate than GPS data; GPS was not mentioned in the letter. D'Souza told the Post that True the Vote "did not exclusively use CSLI data" and that they told him the GBI had misrepresented the data.[32][19][33]

    In October 2022, the office of Republican Arizona attorney general Mark Brnovich referred True the Vote to the FBI and IRS for possible investigation, finding that Engelbrecht and Phillips had falsely told the office they had given their data to the
    Phoenix FBI office and were working as informants there, while telling the FBI office, the Arizona Senate and the public they had given their data to the attorney general's office, though they had not. Brnovich's office said True the Vote claimed to have
    evidence of 243 mules in Arizona, but presented no proof. The attorney general's office also suggested True the Vote's tax exempt nonprofit status should be examined.[34]
    .
    Further response

    On May 9, D'Souza criticized Fox News and Newsmax for not promoting the film, claiming that Fox News' Tucker Carlson instructed Engelbrecht not to mention it during his interview with her and that Newsmax had originally booked an interview with D'Souza
    but then canceled.[42] Trump later made similar criticisms, claiming that "Fox News is no longer Fox News" due to not showing or discussing the film, and that the outlet's silence was pleasing to what he called "Radical Left Democrats".[39]
    .

    You get the idea… More laughter on request…

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sat Sep 9 07:14:44 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:48:38 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    jack roth <jackden...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ...

    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.
    Zero for sixty-three! It's remarkable how the story changes once
    you put the Trumplings under oath.

    --bks

    Why not watch 2000 mules and see what you can contradict.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 10:17:12 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.

    That is consistent with you falling for it.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Sat Sep 9 10:27:38 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:10:58 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:49:42 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Leading experts my ass. They obviously didn't even watch the film before they commented, no different from your dumb ass. Go watch....then open your pie hole. That film shoes unrefutable stuff that your "experts" didn't even touch on. It's like they
    didn't see anything at all before they open ed their moron mouths.
    .

    You are totally wasting your time trying to reason with BillBlab.

    Of course. Bill (and I) have shown him the errors and fallacies.

    He is an endlessly argumentative asshole. Just like Jerry.

    Oh, it ended. All those Trump appointed judges did that.
    The 'endlessly argumentative asshole' is Jack rOff:

    "Leading experts my ass;" yet he can't show a single error of any one of them. "They obviously didn't watch the film;" yet can't show a single instance to back that.

    You want more examples? Or are you too stupid to even understand those?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Sep 9 10:29:55 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ... <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election>

    --bks
    .

    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.

    *** Then you should have no trouble showing that. ***

    (I love the quick kick in Jack's ass. He runs away like a little girl).

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 11 10:30:46 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:55:35 AM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Holy shit do they have the cheating dead to rights. They don't just have them geolocated, they have massive unbelievable amounts of proof. You moron libtards need to watch this yourselves and try to argue against it.
    Have you tried to argue against it? That's part of critical thinking, not just believing everything you wanted to hear.


    They didn't sell it. I am a data guy and if I had the data they claim to have I could have proven or disproven.
    They showed "mules" dumping ballots, with the GPS data and the video time stamps they could have shown the same ones dropping multiple boxes, which would have proven it. If they can't show that they didn't prove the theory.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Sep 11 11:40:45 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:27:42 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:10:58 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:49:42 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Leading experts my ass. They obviously didn't even watch the film before they commented, no different from your dumb ass. Go watch....then open your pie hole. That film shoes unrefutable stuff that your "experts" didn't even touch on. It's like
    they didn't see anything at all before they open ed their moron mouths.
    .

    You are totally wasting your time trying to reason with BillBlab.
    Of course. Bill (and I) have shown him the errors and fallacies.
    He is an endlessly argumentative asshole. Just like Jerry.
    Oh, it ended. All those Trump appointed judges did that.
    The 'endlessly argumentative asshole' is Jack rOff:

    "Leading experts my ass;" yet he can't show a single error of any one of them.
    "They obviously didn't watch the film;" yet can't show a single instance to back that.

    You want more examples? Or are you too stupid to even understand those?
    .

    *** No Reply Noted ***

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Sep 11 11:41:13 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:30:00 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ... <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election>

    --bks
    .
    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.
    *** Then you should have no trouble showing that. ***
    .

    *** No Reply Noted ***

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Sep 12 09:18:58 2023
    On 9/11/2023 1:41 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:30:00 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:31:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    Yow! The Trump Crime Family is *0 for 63* in court cases
    alleging electoral fraud:
    |
    | After the 2020 United States presidential election, the
    | campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others
    | filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits contesting election
    | processes, vote counting, and the vote certification
    | process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia,
    | Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the
    | judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by
    | Trump himself.
    | ...
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election>

    --bks
    .
    Hey dumbass, 2000 mules documentary explains this like you are a child.
    *** Then you should have no trouble showing that. ***
    .

    *** No Reply Noted ***

    No watching noted.

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