• This is what China's word is worth: absolutely ZERO

    From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 24 00:34:26 2023
    'France, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have expressed dismay after China’s ambassador in Paris questioned the sovereignty not only of Ukraine but all the former Soviet Republics including the Baltic states.

    Lu Shaye’s remarks in a TV interview late on Friday raise fresh questions about the faith the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has placed in China to act as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

    Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

    “Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

    Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security organisations.

    ➡️Ukraine was recognised “within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China, at the fall of the USSR as a new member state of the United Nations”⬅️, Paris said.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/23/france-and-baltic-states-condemn-china-envoy-remarks-over-ukraine-sovereignty

    Hong Kong
    'Chinese special administrative region
    The colony faced an uncertain future as the end of the New Territories lease approached, and Governor Murray MacLehose raised the question of Hong Kong's status with Deng Xiaoping in 1979. ➡️Diplomatic negotiations with China resulted in the 1984
    Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997 and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer.⬅️ The impending transfer triggered a wave of mass
    emigration as residents feared an erosion of civil rights, the rule of law, and quality of life. Over half a million people left the territory during the peak migration period, from 1987 to 1996. The Legislative Council became a fully elected legislature
    for the first time in 1995 and extensively expanded its functions and organisations throughout the last years of the colonial rule. Hong Kong was transferred to China on 1 July 1997, after 156 years of British rule.

    After reversal of the last colonial era Legislative Council democratic reforms following the handover, the regional government unsuccessfully attempted to enact national security legislation pursuant to Article 23 of the Basic Law. The central government
    decision to implement nominee pre-screening before allowing chief executive elections triggered a series of protests in 2014 which became known as the Umbrella Revolution. Discrepancies in the electoral registry and disqualification of elected
    legislators after the 2016 Legislative Council elections and enforcement of national law in the West Kowloon high-speed railway station raised further concerns about the region's autonomy. In June 2019, mass protests erupted in response to a proposed
    extradition amendment bill permitting the extradition of fugitives to mainland China. The protests are the largest in Hong Kong's history, with organisers claiming to have attracted more than three million Hong Kong residents.

    The Hong Kong regional government and Chinese central government responded to the protests with a number of administrative measures to quell dissent. In June 2020, the Legislative Council passed the National Anthem Ordinance, which criminalised "insults
    to the national anthem of China". The Chinese central government meanwhile enacted the Hong Kong national security law to help quell protests in the region. Nine months later, in March 2021, the Chinese central government introduced amendments to Hong
    Kong's electoral system, which included the reduction of directly elected seats in the Legislative Council and the requirement that all candidates be vetted and approved by a Beijing-appointed Candidate Eligibility Review Committee.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#History

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to risky biz on Mon Apr 24 11:19:48 2023
    On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:30 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    'France, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have expressed dismay after China’s ambassador in Paris questioned the sovereignty not only of Ukraine but all the former Soviet Republics including the Baltic states.

    Lu Shaye’s remarks in a TV interview late on Friday raise fresh questions about the faith the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has placed in China to act as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

    Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

    “Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

    Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security
    organisations.

    ➡️Ukraine was recognised “within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China, at the fall of the USSR as a new member state of the United Nations”⬅️, Paris said.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/23/france-and-baltic-states-condemn-china-envoy-remarks-over-ukraine-sovereignty

    Hong Kong
    'Chinese special administrative region
    The colony faced an uncertain future as the end of the New Territories lease approached, and Governor Murray MacLehose raised the question of Hong Kong's status with Deng Xiaoping in 1979. ➡️Diplomatic negotiations with China resulted in the 1984
    Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997 and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer.⬅️ The impending transfer triggered a wave of mass
    emigration as residents feared an erosion of civil rights, the rule of law, and quality of life. Over half a million people left the territory during the peak migration period, from 1987 to 1996. The Legislative Council became a fully elected legislature
    for the first time in 1995 and extensively expanded its functions and organisations throughout the last years of the colonial rule. Hong Kong was transferred to China on 1 July 1997, after 156 years of British rule.

    After reversal of the last colonial era Legislative Council democratic reforms following the handover, the regional government unsuccessfully attempted to enact national security legislation pursuant to Article 23 of the Basic Law. The central
    government decision to implement nominee pre-screening before allowing chief executive elections triggered a series of protests in 2014 which became known as the Umbrella Revolution. Discrepancies in the electoral registry and disqualification of elected
    legislators after the 2016 Legislative Council elections and enforcement of national law in the West Kowloon high-speed railway station raised further concerns about the region's autonomy. In June 2019, mass protests erupted in response to a proposed
    extradition amendment bill permitting the extradition of fugitives to mainland China. The protests are the largest in Hong Kong's history, with organisers claiming to have attracted more than three million Hong Kong residents.

    The Hong Kong regional government and Chinese central government responded to the protests with a number of administrative measures to quell dissent. In June 2020, the Legislative Council passed the National Anthem Ordinance, which criminalised "
    insults to the national anthem of China". The Chinese central government meanwhile enacted the Hong Kong national security law to help quell protests in the region. Nine months later, in March 2021, the Chinese central government introduced amendments to
    Hong Kong's electoral system, which included the reduction of directly elected seats in the Legislative Council and the requirement that all candidates be vetted and approved by a Beijing-appointed Candidate Eligibility Review Committee.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#History



    The Chinese foreign ministry now denies that is official policy. But no one is going to believe that if the Chinese ambassador to France isn't summoned home and fired. Ambassador's don't have 'personal views'.

    Someone should ask China what it's official position is on the promises it made regarding Hong Kong and then promptly broke to impose totalitarianism.


    'LUXEMBOURG, April 24 (Reuters) - China respects the status of former Soviet member states as sovereign nations, its foreign ministry said on Monday, distancing itself from comments by its envoy to Paris that triggered an uproar among European capitals.

    Several European Union foreign ministers had said comments by ambassador Lu Shaye - in which he questioned the sovereignty of Ukraine and other former Soviet states - were unacceptable and had asked Beijing to clarify its stance.

    Asked if Lu's comments represented China's official position, foreign ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said that Beijing respected the status of the former Soviet member states as sovereign nations following the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    Mao told a regular news briefing that it was her remarks on sovereignty that represented China's official government stance.

    The Chinese embassy in Paris issued a statement later on Monday to say that Lu's comments on Ukraine "were not a political declaration but an expression of his personal views".
    https://www.reuters.com/world/some-eu-ministers-say-china-envoys-remarks-ukraine-sovereignty-unacceptable-2023-04-24/

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 16:12:24 2023
    You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 09:29:13 2023
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Apr 27 14:15:04 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.

    Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump....
    the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any international
    law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for them. How can you NOT see this?

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Apr 27 14:38:24 2023
    On April 27, risky biz wrote:
    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.

    Examples, please.

    "This Social Security Number is your retirement account number. It will never be used for surveillance or identification. You can trust your government."
    - F. D. Roosevelt, 1935

    --
    Rich

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu Apr 27 16:09:51 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On April 27, risky biz wrote:
    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.

    Examples, please.
    "This Social Security Number is your retirement account number....


    No it's not...









    It will never
    be used for surveillance or identification. You can trust your government." - F. D. Roosevelt, 1935

    --
    Rich

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Apr 27 16:08:38 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.
    .

    Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....
    .

    *** Knew you couldn’t answer, idiot ***
    .
    .
    (These ‘types’ still keep watching Fox….)
    .
    .




    with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump....the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan
    in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any international law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for
    them. How can you NOT see this?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu Apr 27 18:10:56 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:08:41 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.
    .

    Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....
    .

    *** Knew you couldn’t answer, idiot ***
    .
    .
    (These ‘types’ still keep watching Fox….)
    .
    .
    with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump....the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan
    in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any international law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for
    them. How can you NOT see this?

    RIP Jerry bahahahaha

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Apr 28 00:09:18 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.


    ~ Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump...
    .the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any international
    law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for them. How can you NOT see this?


    The entirety of your above list is spurious and even if it weren't none of it rises to the level of a state diplomatic agreement or assurance which is subsequently casually ignored.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri Apr 28 06:30:03 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:09:22 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.
    ~ Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump.
    ...the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any
    international law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for them. How can you NOT see this?


    The entirety of your above list is spurious and even if it weren't none of it rises to the level of a state diplomatic agreement or assurance which is subsequently casually ignored.

    Open a dictionary before you use a word you are unfamiliar with.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Apr 28 07:56:25 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:09:22 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.
    ~ Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass
    Trump....the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing afghanistan in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any
    international law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's convenient for them. How can you NOT see this?


    The entirety of your above list is spurious and even if it weren't none of it rises to the level of a state diplomatic agreement or assurance which is subsequently casually ignored.


    ~ Open a dictionary before you use a word you are unfamiliar with.


    If you're referring to the word 'spurious', I know exactly what it means. You're unfamiliar with the spuriousness of many of your past and present assertions.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Apr 28 11:44:49 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:08:41 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:12:28 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    ~ You know which country's word is absolutely more worthless than China's? USA.


    Examples, please.
    .

    Don't be an idiot Jerry type. Examples are everywhere....with every lying politician....
    .

    *** Knew you couldn’t answer, idiot ***
    .

    And ****** STILL COULDN'T ANSWER ******
    .

    Let's see what dodges with this time....






    .
    .
    (These ‘types’ still keep watching Fox….)
    .
    .
    with the way we enforce our laws politically....the way we selectively enforce the whistleblower act only when it's convenient for the Deep State to harrass Trump....the way Joe Biden stood up there and lied about how we wouldn't be fleeing
    afghanistan in a helicopter on top of a roof like Vietnam and like the next day that exact thing happened....the way the USA weaponizes it's currency violating any international law while simultaneously virtue signaling about rules system when it's
    convenient for them. How can you NOT see this?
    .

    He dodges with:
    .

    RIP Jerry bahahahaha

    (Him a risky must 'a get a room together.... ) LOL

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to risky biz on Wed May 3 20:14:10 2023
    On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:30 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    'France, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have expressed dismay after China’s ambassador in Paris questioned the sovereignty not only of Ukraine but all the former Soviet Republics including the Baltic states.

    Lu Shaye’s remarks in a TV interview late on Friday raise fresh questions about the faith the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has placed in China to act as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

    Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

    “Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

    Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security
    organisations.

    ➡️Ukraine was recognised “within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China, at the fall of the USSR as a new member state of the United Nations”⬅️, Paris said.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/23/france-and-baltic-states-condemn-china-envoy-remarks-over-ukraine-sovereignty

    Hong Kong
    'Chinese special administrative region
    The colony faced an uncertain future as the end of the New Territories lease approached, and Governor Murray MacLehose raised the question of Hong Kong's status with Deng Xiaoping in 1979. ➡️Diplomatic negotiations with China resulted in the 1984
    Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997 and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer.⬅️ The impending transfer triggered a wave of mass
    emigration as residents feared an erosion of civil rights, the rule of law, and quality of life. Over half a million people left the territory during the peak migration period, from 1987 to 1996. The Legislative Council became a fully elected legislature
    for the first time in 1995 and extensively expanded its functions and organisations throughout the last years of the colonial rule. Hong Kong was transferred to China on 1 July 1997, after 156 years of British rule.

    After reversal of the last colonial era Legislative Council democratic reforms following the handover, the regional government unsuccessfully attempted to enact national security legislation pursuant to Article 23 of the Basic Law. The central
    government decision to implement nominee pre-screening before allowing chief executive elections triggered a series of protests in 2014 which became known as the Umbrella Revolution. Discrepancies in the electoral registry and disqualification of elected
    legislators after the 2016 Legislative Council elections and enforcement of national law in the West Kowloon high-speed railway station raised further concerns about the region's autonomy. In June 2019, mass protests erupted in response to a proposed
    extradition amendment bill permitting the extradition of fugitives to mainland China. The protests are the largest in Hong Kong's history, with organisers claiming to have attracted more than three million Hong Kong residents.

    The Hong Kong regional government and Chinese central government responded to the protests with a number of administrative measures to quell dissent. In June 2020, the Legislative Council passed the National Anthem Ordinance, which criminalised "
    insults to the national anthem of China". The Chinese central government meanwhile enacted the Hong Kong national security law to help quell protests in the region. Nine months later, in March 2021, the Chinese central government introduced amendments to
    Hong Kong's electoral system, which included the reduction of directly elected seats in the Legislative Council and the requirement that all candidates be vetted and approved by a Beijing-appointed Candidate Eligibility Review Committee.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#History


    'HONG KONG (AP) — Hong Kong’s leader on Tuesday stepped up a campaign to shut down further democratic challenges by unveiling plans to eliminate most directly elected seats on local district councils, the last major political representative bodies
    chosen by the public.

    He said the rest of the 470 seats will be filled by government appointees, rural committee chairpersons and others elected by local committees that are staffed by many pro-establishment figures.

    “I do not agree that pure counting (of) election votes mean democracy,” he said. “Different places have their own systems that must take into consideration all the characteristics and all the elements of that place.”

    The planned electoral changes are widely seen as part of Beijing’s increasing control over the former British colony, which was promised autonomy when it returned to China in 1997. Two years ago, Hong Kong already amended its electoral laws for its
    legislature, drastically reducing the public’s ability to vote and increasing the number of pro-Beijing lawmakers making decisions for the city.'
    https://apnews.com/article/hong-kong-democracy-electoral-overhaul-138fbe46d70593f22050ed81a24fce30

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 4 10:50:11 2023
    As you say, China's word is worth zero. But, again, corporate greed outweighs political morality. American corporations still want the cheap labor and China loves doing it.

    And we still buy iPhones - not made in U.S.A. - and everything Walmart will sell - Made in China...

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu May 4 11:47:15 2023
    On May 4, VegasJerry wrote:
    But, again, corporate greed outweighs political morality.
    American corporations still want the cheap labor and China loves doing it. And we still buy iPhones - and everything Walmart will sell - Made in China...

    Imagine if the Inflation Reduction Act was the real
    deal, shutting down WalMart and China... without
    them, inflation would really be cured... and those
    naive ungreedy consumers wouldn't be exploited,
    they'd shop elsewhere, and save money... corporate
    greed would cease.

    We need an EMBARGO against American corporations,
    we need a real leader, who will create a utopia of equality -

    https://alphahistory.com/coldwar/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/castro.jpg

    --
    Rich

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu May 4 12:54:50 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:47:18 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 4, VegasJerry wrote:
    .
    But, again, corporate greed outweighs political morality.
    American corporations still want the cheap labor and China loves doing it. And we still buy iPhones - and everything Walmart will sell - Made in China...

    Imagine if the Inflation Reduction Act was the real
    deal, shutting down WalMart and China... without
    them, inflation would really be cured... and those
    naive ungreedy consumers wouldn't be exploited,
    they'd shop elsewhere, and save money... corporate
    greed would cease.
    .

    Yea. If the Act does move toward more American jobs. And that gets Biden more union votes. That’s what I like about the infostructure bill. Obviously, the labor is “U.S.A.!” but the “American made parts” is a good selling part.
    .

    We need an EMBARGO against American corporations,
    we need a real leader, who will create a utopia of equality –
    .

    Huh? I admittedly started my wine drinking early, because of early morning Fast for blood tests, but I
    don’t catch your “Embargo against American corporations,” or why. Or what your “utopia of equality” means.
    (Is this Russian Irish Mick?).



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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri May 5 14:06:09 2023
    On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:30 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    'France, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have expressed dismay after China’s ambassador in Paris questioned the sovereignty not only of Ukraine but all the former Soviet Republics including the Baltic states.

    Lu Shaye’s remarks in a TV interview late on Friday raise fresh questions about the faith the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has placed in China to act as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

    Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

    “Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

    Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security
    organisations.

    ➡️Ukraine was recognised “within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China, at the fall of the USSR as a new member state of the United Nations”⬅️, Paris said.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/23/france-and-baltic-states-condemn-china-envoy-remarks-over-ukraine-sovereignty

    Hong Kong
    'Chinese special administrative region
    The colony faced an uncertain future as the end of the New Territories lease approached, and Governor Murray MacLehose raised the question of Hong Kong's status with Deng Xiaoping in 1979. ➡️Diplomatic negotiations with China resulted in the 1984
    Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997 and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer.⬅️ The impending transfer triggered a wave of mass
    emigration as residents feared an erosion of civil rights, the rule of law, and quality of life. Over half a million people left the territory during the peak migration period, from 1987 to 1996. The Legislative Council became a fully elected legislature
    for the first time in 1995 and extensively expanded its functions and organisations throughout the last years of the colonial rule. Hong Kong was transferred to China on 1 July 1997, after 156 years of British rule.

    After reversal of the last colonial era Legislative Council democratic reforms following the handover, the regional government unsuccessfully attempted to enact national security legislation pursuant to Article 23 of the Basic Law. The central
    government decision to implement nominee pre-screening before allowing chief executive elections triggered a series of protests in 2014 which became known as the Umbrella Revolution. Discrepancies in the electoral registry and disqualification of elected
    legislators after the 2016 Legislative Council elections and enforcement of national law in the West Kowloon high-speed railway station raised further concerns about the region's autonomy. In June 2019, mass protests erupted in response to a proposed
    extradition amendment bill permitting the extradition of fugitives to mainland China. The protests are the largest in Hong Kong's history, with organisers claiming to have attracted more than three million Hong Kong residents.

    The Hong Kong regional government and Chinese central government responded to the protests with a number of administrative measures to quell dissent. In June 2020, the Legislative Council passed the National Anthem Ordinance, which criminalised "
    insults to the national anthem of China". The Chinese central government meanwhile enacted the Hong Kong national security law to help quell protests in the region. Nine months later, in March 2021, the Chinese central government introduced amendments to
    Hong Kong's electoral system, which included the reduction of directly elected seats in the Legislative Council and the requirement that all candidates be vetted and approved by a Beijing-appointed Candidate Eligibility Review Committee.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#History


    The 'socialist' Gestapo in action:

    'Canada’s foreign minister said Thursday the country is considering the expulsion of Chinese diplomats over an intelligence agency report saying one of them plotted to intimidate the Hong Kong relatives of a Canadian lawmaker.

    Foreign Minister Melanie Joly said her department was summoning China’s ambassador to a meeting to underline that Canada won’t tolerate such interference.

    She said the intelligence agency report indicated that opposition Conservative lawmaker Michael Chong and his Hong Kong relatives were targeted after Chong criticized Beijing’s human rights record.

    Chinese Ambassador Cong Peiwu denied interference in a statement and warned against expelling its diplomats.

    “Once again, China strongly urges the Canadian side to immediately stop this self-directed political farce, and not go further down the wrong and dangerous path. Should the Canadian side continue to make provocations, China will play along every step
    of the way until the very end,” Cong said.

    Many governments, the United Nations, and human rights groups accuse China of sweeping a million or more people from its Uyghur community and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minority groups into detention camps, where many have said they were tortured,
    sexually assaulted, and forced to abandon their language and religion. China denies the accusations, which are based on evidence including interviews with survivors and photos and satellite images from Uyghurs' home province of Xinjiang, a major hub for
    factories and farms in far western China.' https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-considers-expelling-chinese-diplomat-targeting-lawmaker-rcna83012

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri May 5 16:09:57 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:06:13 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:30 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    'France, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have expressed dismay after China’s ambassador in Paris questioned the sovereignty not only of Ukraine but all the former Soviet Republics including the Baltic states.

    Lu Shaye’s remarks in a TV interview late on Friday raise fresh questions about the faith the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has placed in China to act as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

    Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

    “Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

    Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security
    organisations.

    ➡️Ukraine was recognised “within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China, at the fall of the USSR as a new member state of the United Nations”⬅️, Paris said.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/23/france-and-baltic-states-condemn-china-envoy-remarks-over-ukraine-sovereignty

    Hong Kong
    'Chinese special administrative region
    The colony faced an uncertain future as the end of the New Territories lease approached, and Governor Murray MacLehose raised the question of Hong Kong's status with Deng Xiaoping in 1979. ➡️Diplomatic negotiations with China resulted in the 1984
    Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997 and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer.⬅️ The impending transfer triggered a wave of mass
    emigration as residents feared an erosion of civil rights, the rule of law, and quality of life. Over half a million people left the territory during the peak migration period, from 1987 to 1996. The Legislative Council became a fully elected legislature
    for the first time in 1995 and extensively expanded its functions and organisations throughout the last years of the colonial rule. Hong Kong was transferred to China on 1 July 1997, after 156 years of British rule.

    After reversal of the last colonial era Legislative Council democratic reforms following the handover, the regional government unsuccessfully attempted to enact national security legislation pursuant to Article 23 of the Basic Law. The central
    government decision to implement nominee pre-screening before allowing chief executive elections triggered a series of protests in 2014 which became known as the Umbrella Revolution. Discrepancies in the electoral registry and disqualification of elected
    legislators after the 2016 Legislative Council elections and enforcement of national law in the West Kowloon high-speed railway station raised further concerns about the region's autonomy. In June 2019, mass protests erupted in response to a proposed
    extradition amendment bill permitting the extradition of fugitives to mainland China. The protests are the largest in Hong Kong's history, with organisers claiming to have attracted more than three million Hong Kong residents.

    The Hong Kong regional government and Chinese central government responded to the protests with a number of administrative measures to quell dissent. In June 2020, the Legislative Council passed the National Anthem Ordinance, which criminalised "
    insults to the national anthem of China". The Chinese central government meanwhile enacted the Hong Kong national security law to help quell protests in the region. Nine months later, in March 2021, the Chinese central government introduced amendments to
    Hong Kong's electoral system, which included the reduction of directly elected seats in the Legislative Council and the requirement that all candidates be vetted and approved by a Beijing-appointed Candidate Eligibility Review Committee.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#History
    .

    The 'socialist' Gestapo in action:

    'Canada’s foreign minister said Thursday the country is considering the expulsion of Chinese diplomats
    over an intelligence agency report saying one of them plotted to intimidate the Hong Kong relatives of a
    Canadian lawmaker.
    .
    That's like the Gestapo action of President Trump intimidating the Leader of Ukraine. In fact, he
    was impeached for it.

    .
    .

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