Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

America’s obsession with the AR-15 has consequences.
In policing, the weapon on any given day can be an
officer’s greatest threat or their most important tool.

COLORADO SPRINGS — Chris Burns tore the AR-15 out of his patrol cruiser, wrapping the rifle sling around his body, feeling he might be forced to shoot a man for the first time in more than two decades as a police officer.

He was training his weapon on a suspect who had leaped from a wrecked stolen car and appeared to be carrying a tactical rifle of his own. The man had stopped outside a car parked at a gas station fuel pump. Burns didn’t know if anyone was inside the
vehicle.

For Burns, it was the nightmare scenario: Hefting the weapon of war he’d started carrying after the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, hoping for a fighting chance as he confronted a suspect, knowing the bullet-resistant vests he and his fellow
officers were wearing would fail if the man sent a fusillade of high-speed bullets their way.

“We might as well have been naked,” he said, recalling that crisp day in April 2021.

Police departments that once deferred to SWAT teams wielding military-style rifles for active-shooter situations have in recent years started equipping the rank and file with AR-15s and other long guns, as those weapons have flooded neighborhoods and
communities.

Many officers welcomed the change, some even buying their own AR-15s and using them for sport or hunting when not on duty. But police often say they still feel outgunned and ill-prepared — struggling to balance demands that they avoid using force
against the knowledge that at any moment they could be called to stop a mass killing in progress.

Those potentially conflicting impulses reflect a policing paradox deepened by America’s obsession with the AR-15: The weapon can, depending on the circumstances, be an officer’s greatest threat or a potentially lifesaving tool.

“Police academies often aren’t well equipped to train with long guns,” said Pete Kraska, a professor of justice studies at Eastern Kentucky University who studies police militarization. Years ago, he argued that law enforcement agencies were adding
tactical weapons unnecessarily. But with both mass killings and open-carry laws on the rise, he said, “It’s now a credible argument to say we have to engage in an arms race because we’re outgunned.”

The dilemma has emerged as a critical factor in last year’s mass killing at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., according to a recent Texas Tribune investigation, which found police waited more than an hour before confronting the gunman because
they feared they lacked the firepower to compete with him. And it looms large every day in Colorado, where open carry is generally legal, many law enforcement agencies have resisted taking guns from risky people, and the map is peppered with the names of
towns and cities where mass killings have occurred.

An independent 2022 assessment of the Colorado Springs Police Department’s use of force, commissioned by the city, revealed that more than 8 in 10 officers surveyed said their training on the use of force and how to de-escalate was inadequate, and more
than 9 in 10 officers said they needed more training on when to use their firearms.

The police department declined to comment on the survey results, and Police Chief Adrian Vasquez declined an interview request.

“Almost everyone going through the academy has never been punched in the mouth,” Burns said in an interview. “They’re resorting to their Taser and their gun. … You end up with a lot of young, inexperienced police officers cutting their teeth in
these really dangerous situations.”

Burns, a training officer, hostage negotiator and former Iraq War helicopter pilot, was no stranger to the risks of confronting heavily armed suspects by the time he arrived on the scene of that 2021 incident at the Colorado Springs gas station.

Six years earlier, he had responded to a shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, engaging in a five-hour standoff with the suspect before the SWAT team intervened and arrested him.

At the gas station incident, the suspect facing Burns was a 37-year-old man named Richard Quintana, who had been ordered more than 70 times to drop the weapon, a prosecutor would later say.

The muzzle of Quintana’s weapon was under his chin, and it was unclear whether people were inside the car he stood next to. As Burns pondered his options, it was also unclear how skilled Quintana was with a military-style weapon — and whether Burns’
s own training had prepared him for this moment. The department requires 40 hours of training to carry the rifle and an annual qualifying exam.

“The average gun owner has trained more hours with their AR-15 than a cop has,” Burns said.

Police departments’ shift toward tactical weapons began in the wake of two American tragedies, a 1997 bank robbery in North Hollywood, Calif., where police officers equipped only with pistols and shotguns commandeered AR-15s and other weapons from a
nearby gun store to match the robbers’ firepower, and the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which police waited more than 40 minutes to enter the school.

“That was the sounding alarm for the police community,” Kraska said of the North Hollywood shooting. “Police culture is extremely steeped in a fear of victimization, and this incident accelerates that. It ends up creating a militarized set of
assumptions in thinking and gear in everyday policing. It’s a very slippery slope to go from policing a civilian population to policing the enemy.”

In department after department, pistols and rifles with more ammunition and velocity replaced six-shooters and shotguns. Patrol officers and detectives were trained to pursue and confront active shooters immediately, without waiting for backup. Agencies
across the country began requiring officers to wear body armor and buying up military-grade weapons and equipment, especially after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“I don’t hear officers saying we don’t need these weapons. The street officer is saying, ‘I need a more efficient sling. I need a better optic,’” said Rob Pincus, a firearms trainer and former sheriff’s deputy based in Colorado. “If the
bad guys have these guns, we need them too.”

Gary Darress, another longtime Colorado Springs police officer and friend of Burns, was issued a six-round Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 revolver when he began his law enforcement career in 1985. The department later transitioned from revolvers to
semiautomatic pistols, “because criminals got their hands on semi-autos,” Darress said.

That transition was manageable. The tactical rifle era, he says, was something else.

“It’s urban warfare,” Darress said. “Psychologically, when people have all this armament, that changes who you are and that changes your response to calls.”

Darress was issued his own AR-15 to carry in the car in 2008, but he didn’t tinker with it the way other officers do, customizing every aspect of the gun from the sling to the sight. Asked why, he said the gun was fine as it was. He leaned on what had
already carried him through more than 20 years in policing — ever-evolving de-escalation techniques.

But the environment evolved too, with more and more residents openly and legally carrying pistols and rifles. In 2011, the Colorado Springs Police Department responded by telling dispatchers and patrol officers that simply seeing a person with a gun
should not automatically prompt a police response. Instead, emergency operators were instructed to ask callers whether the armed person was acting erratically or unlawfully. If the answer was no, officers would probably stand down.

“Obviously, the problem is that when the open-carrying citizen is on their way to commit a crime,” Burns said dryly, “we have limited our ability to respond quickly.”

Colorado Springs saw the worst-case scenario unfold four years later, on Halloween 2015. A 911 caller told an emergency response technician that a man was walking downtown with a long gun and a gas can. Police assigned the call a low priority.

Soon, Noah Harpham began executing people with an AR-15-style rifle called the DPMS Classic 16.

Darress was a mile away, using the restroom. He sped to the scene, pulling up across the street from Harpham and a fast-food restaurant.

By that time, the gunman had killed three people.

Darress unholstered his pistol — he didn’t have time to grab his rifle, he said — and took cover behind his open driver’s side door, even though he knew it offered no practical defense against Harpham’s weapon.

But as Harpham began firing at him, Darress found he couldn’t pull the trigger.

“A voice tells me don’t shoot, because I’m facing a Wendy’s,” Darress said. “I pray to God that I’m a good shot. But one shot flies off to the left or right, and I’m going to shoot somebody in Wendy’s.”

Harpham fired eight times in the direction of Darress, who hit the ground and crawled behind his vehicle. Eventually, another Colorado Springs police officer, Randall Scott Hallas, flanked Harpham and shot him to death.

The mass shooting, followed by the Planned Parenthood attack a month later that killed one police officer and injured five other officers, contributed to an exodus from the city police department that year. The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that 52
officers left in 2015, with most departing after less than two years on the job and some citing the rising tide of violence in their resignation letters.

Many officers who stayed prepared for war, Darress and Burns said, with many buying their own rifles and customizing them to the scenarios they imagined they might encounter.

“When I started, I think human beings were much more able to do the job of law enforcement,” Darress said. “I don’t think people are designed for the intensity of law enforcement today.”

The Colorado Springs department issued Burns his first AR-15 in the mid-2000s, without any modifications, he said. Then he responded to a call of shots fired in the dead of night and realized he needed a flashlight mounted to the gun rail.

He bought his own AR-15 in 2008, equipping it with the rail light, a non-magnified red dot sight, and a handle with a tripod for mounting the gun on surfaces, such as the hood of a car. The whole package cost about $1,200, he said.

Burns kept the weapon in his car, between the driver’s seat and the passenger seat. Until two years ago, he had responded to several calls with it but never fired it while on patrol.

By 2021, on-the-job frustrations were mounting, he said. Among them: Too many men carrying guns illegally had entered the back of Burns’s patrol car in handcuffs and walked out of El Paso County courts with a slap on the wrist, he said.

“Weapons violations are not severely prosecuted here,” Burns said. “Very often, if there’s no serious injury, it’s ‘no harm, no foul.’ Now a felon doesn’t care if they get caught because the most they’ll get is probation.”

The district attorney’s office for Colorado’s 4th Judicial District, which covers El Paso and Teller counties, said it filed 236 charges of possession of a weapon by a previous offender against adults in 2022, down from 412 in 2021 and 449 the
previous year.

“If the legislature wants to make serious changes with gun crimes — they can raise the level for previous offenders and make mandatory prison for offenders committing a crime with a weapon,” District Attorney Michael J. Allen said in an emailed
statement.

An October report by the Common Sense Institute, a conservative think tank, blamed Colorado’s rising crime rates on changes in state law that it said had reduced the prison and parole populations.

While the police community says it’s hamstrung by the legislature, gun-control advocates across the state disagree. They say law enforcement agencies aren’t using measures available to them to reduce violent crime.

One such measure is a red-flag law passed in 2019, a year and a half after a Douglas County sheriff’s deputy was killed by a former Iraq War combat medic wielding an AR-15. Named after the slain law enforcement officer, the Deputy Zackari Parrish III
Violence Prevention Act allows citizens and police departments to petition a judge to have a Colorado resident’s weapons confiscated if the petitioner demonstrates that person is a danger to themselves or others.

Similar laws have been passed in 19 states and the District of Columbia, leading to more than 15,000 interventions since 2020, according to an Associated Press report from September. Opponents of gun restrictions say the laws open the door to unfair
seizures.

Parrish’s widow, Gracie Parrish Miller, said she considered the social backlash she would face for publicly backing a gun-control bill in suburban Colorado and chose to steer clear, despite the legislation bearing her late husband’s name. Douglas
County Sheriff Tony Spurlock was the only Republican elected official in Colorado to vocally endorse the bill. For his support of the measure, he faced a bitter recall effort, which ultimately failed. Spurlock, who was term-limited, retired this year.

In neighboring El Paso County, Sheriff Bill Elder vowed that his department would not file any petitions under the new gun-seizure measure. And Elder kept his word until he left office in January, according to the sheriff’s office.

Elder declined to be interviewed for this article. But he said in 2019 that the law failed to address what he believes is the real problem behind American gun violence — mental health. The statute named for the slain deputy, Elder told the Colorado
Springs Gazette at the time, focused “on the tool instead of the crisis that brings the thing before the judge.”

Burns said progressive initiatives in the legislature, including measures taken to increase use of personal recognizance bonds, and local law enforcement’s hesitance to make use of some gun-control measures are being felt on the street.

“We’ve always been at full saturation with guns,” Burns said. “Quite tragically, now we’re seeing a lot of lawlessness around that.”

More than 7,000 firearms have been stolen since 2017 in Colorado Springs alone, according to police department data, more than four times the rate of firearm thefts nationally, according to Justice Department statistics. One of those stolen guns, a
pistol, was used to shoot a Colorado Springs officer in the head in 2018 — he survived.

The specter of his own death, or that of another officer, loomed for Burns as he confronted Quintana at the gas station nearly two years ago. Quintana reached for the door of the parked car, making Burns’s decision easier.

Burns squeezed the trigger of his AR-15 twice.

The first 5.56 round wedged into a street curb 40 yards past Quintana. The second entered his belly, center mass.

As paramedics arrived, a fellow officer kicked aside Quintana’s gun. Quintana died at a nearby hospital.

None of the officers had a second thought about the weapon until five days later, when investigators revealed it was not a rifle, as it appeared, but a realistic-looking toy gun designed to fire nonlethal plastic pellets.

The discovery stunned Burns. “It’s a conundrum,” he said. “The idea that you would make a kids’ toy to look indistinguishable from a real gun is crazy.”

Darress retired in 2020, five years after the mass shooting that ended outside the Wendy’s in downtown Colorado Springs, and 34 years after becoming a police officer.

He began a new career as an Episcopalian deacon ministering to the homeless and marginalized, following the example of his inspiration, St. Francis of Assisi, who is said to have kissed a leper and realized he had kissed the flesh of Jesus Christ.

Even now, he owns three guns, all pistols. He only keeps them for home protection and doesn’t shoot them, or even carry them outside his house.

“It’s too much responsibility,” he said.

Burns retired in August, after 24 years.

He’d always prided himself on not becoming the officer who withdrew emotionally and policed aggressively. Then a man with a facsimile rifle at a gas station interrupted that peace.

Burns spent two weeks after killing Quintana twisting with his decision to shoot, waiting to find out if he’d be indicted. Lying awake in the early-morning hours, he replayed the standoff in his head, reminding himself that Quintana never pointed his
gun at anyone.

The day Burns returned to duty he was rolling alone, left without a beat partner because of staff vacancies. He pulled up to the same cluster of businesses where he had encountered Quintana — an area where officers on patrol often discover stolen
vehicles — picked up his binoculars and began running license plate numbers. Sure enough, the first plate he plugged into the computer belonged to a car that had been reported stolen.

He drove over and asked a woman to get out of the vehicle. Instead, she reached behind her seat.

“I was already at a 9 out of 10 stress level, being back there, and then when she did that I jumped to a 15,” Burns said.

Palms sweating, heart racing, Burns watched in slow motion as the woman’s hand returned empty. She eventually exited the vehicle and complied with commands.

“She was just being stupid,” Burns said.

The district attorney cleared him of any wrongdoing in the Quintana shooting, saying Burns had a “reasonable belief” Quintana posed an “imminent danger” to the public. Fourteen months later he turned in his department-issued pistol and brought
his AR-15 home for the last time. He still trains with it, but it stays locked up in his house when not at the range.

Some Fridays, he has lunch at a local restaurant with Darress and a rotating cast of long-toothed cops.

In September, Burns was honored at a Medal of Valor ceremony for the Colorado Springs Police Department. Wearing a black suit, he stood alongside a parade of honorees in dress blue uniforms who accepted awards for their handling of critical incidents in
2021.

The banquet featured body-camera footage for each of the award-winning interactions and interviews with officers. Burns’s reel never mentioned that Quintana’s gun was a fake.

Burns says he attends a left-leaning church, by Colorado Springs standards, where only a few members carry weapons in church. There’s positive sentiment among the flock for a national assault weapons ban, he said. With a hitch:

“They don’t want to give up their own. They say, ‘Oh, no. I’m okay. I know what I’m doing.’”
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~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>


Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

It looks like things haven't changed much- Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

It looks like things haven't changed much- Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have
single-action Colts like his.

Yeah.

Yeah, you keep Cutting and Running................

Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

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On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote: >>>>
<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.



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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote: >>>> ~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote: >>>>

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry. Deny deny deny and then amend the message

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote: >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote: >>>> ~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry.

What admission? YOU not being able to answer is the 'admission.'
You continue to deny the reason.

Deny deny deny and then amend the message

Yea. And you keep doing it.

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:49:11 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

.

I see you are embarrassed ....

Nope, bad guess.

Oh! And, *** Knew you still couldn't answer ***
(And know you'd be embarrassed about it)

...

Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades?

Why can’t we civilians purchase Singer missiles?

More war items we civilians can purchase, (and you can't answer) on request.
.
.
.

... enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote: >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote: >>>> ~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry.

What admission? YOU not being able to answer is the 'admission.'
You continue to deny the reason.

Deny deny deny and then amend the message

Yea. And you keep doing it.

Sure Jerry I am the one denying LOL

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same) >>>
Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry.

What admission? YOU not being able to answer is the 'admission.'
You continue to deny the reason.

Deny deny deny and then amend the message

Yea. And you keep doing it.

.

Sure Jerry I am the one denying LOL

Yea, you are. I proved it by you being unable to answer. Oh, and "LOL."

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:00:31 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same) >>>
Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry.

What admission? YOU not being able to answer is the 'admission.'
You continue to deny the reason.

Deny deny deny and then amend the message

Yea. And you keep doing it.

.

Sure Jerry I am the one denying LOL

Yea, you are. I proved it by you being unable to answer. Oh, and "LOL."

Jerry, you are the dream of the institutional narative, no matter what facts are shown you deny

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On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 7:54:22 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:00:31 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:

On 3/30/2023 9:49 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

I see you are embarrassed enough to drop the automatics and flame throwers. LOL

You were not supposed to notice.

--

That is the closest to an admission you will ever get from Jerry.

What admission? YOU not being able to answer is the 'admission.'
You continue to deny the reason.

Deny deny deny and then amend the message

Yea. And you keep doing it.

.

Sure Jerry I am the one denying LOL

.

Yea, you are. I proved it by you being unable to answer. Oh, and "LOL."

.

Jerry, you are the dream of the institutional narative, no matter what facts are shown you deny

And you STILL can't answer....

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

<stupidity snipped>
1. Those officers should choose ARs that shoot a .308 round.
2. That body armor doesn't stop all rounds, not only does it depend on what level protection it is, but also depends on what angle those rounds are hitting that vest...
3. A perp wearing a vest doesn't protect him from being hit in the legs, arms, or face.
4. Article is bullshit about training. Police have much more disciplined training than the average gun owner and will aim better than just about any criminal. Sure, avid gun owners/hunters would smoke officers in a shootout, but they aren't the ones
committing crimes.
5. Cops always respond with many friends who also have guns. Those criminals are quickly outnumbered. Any cop trying to act PTSD about facing off with criminals is full of shit(they sign up for that fun) and is just a cop who is looking for a stress
disability retirement. And, that is WAY more common than you think. My dad constantly fantasized about ginning up a stress disability and my uncle actually got one...AFTER he retired, so now he pays no taxes on his retirement.

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On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

<stupidity snipped>

.

What? Stuff you wrote?
.

1. Those officers should choose ARs that shoot a .308 round.

The officers don’t choose; management does.

2. That body armor doesn't stop all rounds, not only does it depend on what level protection it is, but also depends on what angle those rounds are hitting that vest...
3. A perp wearing a vest doesn't protect him from being hit in the legs, arms, or face.

.

(Talk about writing stupid stuff…..)
.

4. Article is bullshit about training. Police have much more disciplined training than the average gun owner and will aim better than just about any criminal. Sure, avid gun owners/hunters would smoke officers in a shootout, but they aren't the ones

committing crimes.

5. Cops always respond with many friends who also have guns….

.

Wrong. I was a cop. You’re full of shit.

* End of reading fantasy stupidity) *
.
.
.
.
.
.

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On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 12:23:37 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

<stupidity snipped>

.

What? Stuff you wrote?
.

1. Those officers should choose ARs that shoot a .308 round.

The officers don’t choose; management does.

If you don't think a lot of cops carry their own weapons, you were never a cop. For example, yes, they may have issued my dad a .38 back in the old days, but he'd carry his own .357magnum He'd also carry on his ankle holster. And, in the trunk was
probably some small gun with no owner.

2. That body armor doesn't stop all rounds, not only does it depend on what level protection it is, but also depends on what angle those rounds are hitting that vest...
3. A perp wearing a vest doesn't protect him from being hit in the legs, arms, or face.

.

(Talk about writing stupid stuff…..)

No, talking facts, idiot jackass. Maybe you haven't heard but if you hit an artery in the leg, they'll bleed out pretty quick. And, dunno how much you ever went to the range, but the face is the 10 ring.

.

4. Article is bullshit about training. Police have much more disciplined training than the average gun owner and will aim better than just about any criminal. Sure, avid gun owners/hunters would smoke officers in a shootout, but they aren't the ones

committing crimes.

5. Cops always respond with many friends who also have guns….

.

Wrong. I was a cop. You’re full of shit.

By "cop" do you mean MP? Because I've spent my entire life around real cops and you sure as hell don't sound or act like one. So, fuck off and die.

Now you sound stupid.

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On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:38:34 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 12:23:37 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

<stupidity snipped>

.

What? Stuff you wrote?

.
*** More running away? ***
.
.

.

1. Those officers should choose ARs that shoot a .308 round.

The officers don’t choose; management does.

.

If you don't think a lot of cops carry their own weapons, you were never a cop.

.

Heh. I like how this kid dodges and whines and can’t reply.
I just tell him that our management (Sheriff) Decides our weapons, and he run off into “I think” land.
(And not know I’ve been challenged here and proved I was a cop. Think he’d try to keep up).
.
.

For example, yes, they may have issued my dad …

I don’t give as fuck. Quit dodging…
.

a .38 back in the old days, but he'd carry his own .357magnum He'd also carry on his ankle holster. And, in the trunk was probably some small gun with no owner.

2. That body armor doesn't stop all rounds, not only does it depend on what level protection it is, but also depends on what angle those rounds are hitting that vest...
3. A perp wearing a vest doesn't protect him from being hit in the legs, arms, or face.

.

(Talk about writing stupid stuff…..)

.

No, talking facts, idiot jackass.

The facts you dodged above?
.

Maybe you haven't heard ..

Oh, shit, here we go into his, Thought Land… about what a professional police officer, ME,
might have ‘heard.’

HELLO! I don’t give a shit about your dodging, maybys, and “I thinks.”
.



but if you hit an artery in the leg, they'll bleed out pretty quick. And, dunno how much you ever went to the range, but the face is the 10 ring.

.

4. Article is bullshit about training. Police have much more disciplined training than the average gun owner and will aim better than just about any criminal. Sure, avid gun owners/hunters would smoke officers in a shootout, but they aren't the

ones committing crimes.

5. Cops always respond with many friends who also have guns….

.

Wrong. I was a cop. You’re full of shit.

.

By "cop" do you mean MP?

You need both explained to you?

Because I've spent my entire life around real cops…

.
So have I, as I was one. So take your own, ‘last line’ advise and FUCK OFF. .

and you sure as hell don't sound or act like one. So, fuck off and die.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

Or flamethrowers?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:38:34 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 12:23:37 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

<stupidity snipped>

.

What? Stuff you wrote?

.
*** More running away? ***
.
.

.

1. Those officers should choose ARs that shoot a .308 round.

The officers don’t choose; management does.

.

If you don't think a lot of cops carry their own weapons, you were never a cop.

.

Heh. I like how this kid dodges and whines and can’t reply.
I just tell him that our management (Sheriff) Decides our weapons, and he run off into “I think” land.
(And not know I’ve been challenged here and proved I was a cop. Think he’d try to keep up).

.

That didn't take long. Where the hell did that kid go?

...

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 8:37:21 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

Or flamethrowers?

.

Knew you couldn't answer.
Knew you'd run. (Perhaps you'll catch up to jack r-offth)

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:37:21 AM UTC-4, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

Or flamethrowers?

That's one effective self-defense weapon

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:57:00 PM UTC-4, Tim Norfolk wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:37:21 AM UTC-4, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

Or flamethrowers?

That's one effective self-defense weapon

It is if you are attacked by a mob of scarecrows...

Or if Jerry keeps editing his list of things we can't buy. Like flamethrowers and automatic weapons.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980


Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

.

Yawn,...

"Yawn?" Because you were never a cop that was outgunned? I was...

cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions This is a discussion. Or should be.
Will you ever answer?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:54:15 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:57:00 PM UTC-4, Tim Norfolk wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:37:21 AM UTC-4, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:56:16 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

~ On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

<bedtime story from some 'liberal'>

.

Ooh, bad choice for another of your dodges.

(Epically as me, and the others in our department felt the same)

Take a click, then start running again.

https://wapo.st/3G1LJ0L

LOL!

Yeah. Things haven't changed much. Gary Cooper wished the other guys didn't have single-action Colts like his.

Oh, if I can catch you before you start running, you (along with EVERYBODY) still haven’t answered the following:

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

Or flamethrowers?

That's one effective self-defense weapon

.

It is if you are attacked by a mob of scarecrows...

.

Or Viet cong. Or Japs...
.

Or if Jerry keeps editing his list of things we can't buy.

I keep 'editing' it down in hopes that you've find something you can answer. You never do..

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades? Or Howitzers? Or Stinger missiles” Or cases of C4?”

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

.

Yawn,...

"Yawn?" Because you were never a cop that was outgunned? I was...

cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions

OMG, this is a Jerry classic moment. "This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions" LOL

This is a discussion. Or should be.

I was having a discussion and never once yelled FOX NEEEEEWS

So answer, does the bulletin from an AR 15 cause more damage than a Mini 14? Don't be embarrassed that you don't know.

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On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:35:18 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

.

Yawn,...

"Yawn?" Because you were never a cop that was outgunned? I was...

.


*** No Reply Noted ***
*** Usual no answer, dodge, change subbject, ask another questions, then run.. ***.
.

cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with
a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions

OMG, this is a Jerry classic moment.

Yea, pointing out, once again, you can never Answer, Reply or Show. Just dodge with more questions.
.

"This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions" LOL

.

See?
.

This is a discussion. Or should be.

I was having a discussion and never once yelled FOX NEEEEEWS

No discussion with me. You never answer… That’s why you see all those:

*** Knew you couldn’t answer ***
*** Knew you’d run ***

So answer,

.

See? So YOU go back and answer. I’ve asked it 4 times. And 4 times you dodge whine…

does the bulletin from an AR 15 cause more damage than a Mini 14? Don't be embarrassed that you don't know.

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On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 3:24:22 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:35:18 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

.

Yawn,...

"Yawn?" Because you were never a cop that was outgunned? I was...

.

*** No Reply Noted ***
*** Usual no answer, dodge, change subbject, ask another questions, then run.. ***.
.

cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with
a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions

OMG, this is a Jerry classic moment.

Yea, pointing out, once again, you can never Answer, Reply or Show. Just dodge with more questions.
.

"This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions" LOL

.

See?
.

This is a discussion. Or should be.

I was having a discussion and never once yelled FOX NEEEEEWS

No discussion with me. You never answer… That’s why you see all those:

*** Knew you couldn’t answer ***
*** Knew you’d run ***

So answer,

.

See? So YOU go back and answer. I’ve asked it 4 times. And 4 times you dodge whine…

does the bulletin from an AR 15 cause more damage than a Mini 14? Don't be embarrassed that you don't know.

What was the question?

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On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 1:38:52 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 3:24:22 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:35:18 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 6:52:59 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

.

Yawn,...

"Yawn?" Because you were never a cop that was outgunned? I was...

.

*** No Reply Noted ***
*** Usual no answer, dodge, change subbject, ask another questions, then run.. ***.
.

cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with
a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions

OMG, this is a Jerry classic moment.

Yea, pointing out, once again, you can never Answer, Reply or Show. Just dodge with more questions.
.

"This isn't an interview, where just you ask questions" LOL

.

See?
.

This is a discussion. Or should be.

I was having a discussion and never once yelled FOX NEEEEEWS

No discussion with me. You never answer… That’s why you see all those:

*** Knew you couldn’t answer ***
*** Knew you’d run ***

So answer,

.

See? So YOU go back and answer. I’ve asked it 4 times. And 4 times you dodge whine…

does the bulletin from an AR 15 cause more damage than a Mini 14? Don't be embarrassed
that you don't know.

.

What was the question?

Heh. Odd capitulation, but thanks..

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons. 1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the
barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF they are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you
determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with the person shooting it.

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On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation
with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons.

I don’t need saving, jerkoff, he does. He knows the assault weapons are war weapons. Too dangerous for the populous, as evidence of all these mass shootings. But neither he nor the NRA can answer to the fact our civilian population doesn’t need them
to comply with The Second Amendment.

So I simply pose the question, “Why can’t we civilians purchase other war weapons?” He can’t answer because that answer justifies outlawing our present assault weapons.

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades, fully automatic 50-cal, C-4, RPG, Stingers, et cetera?”

Answer: ‘They simply don’t need them and they’re too dangerous for civilians to own; as evidenced by all these mass shootings; all these school kids slaughtered; all us Vegas concert goers gunned down.’

It’s the weapon of choice by mass murders. If all they had for their infamy and suicide quest was a bolt action rifle with 6-shots; you think they’d still do their deed? And wouldn’t fewer kids die?

(Rhetorical questions for the likes of you two).

.

1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF they

are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with the
person shooting it.

No shit, Dick Tracy?

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation
with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons.

I don’t need saving, jerkoff, he does. He knows the assault weapons are war weapons. Too dangerous for the populous, as evidence of all these mass shootings. But neither he nor the NRA can answer to the fact our civilian population doesn’t need

them to comply with The Second Amendment.

So I simply pose the question, “Why can’t we civilians purchase other war weapons?” He can’t answer because that answer justifies outlawing our present assault weapons.

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades, fully automatic 50-cal, C-4, RPG, Stingers, et cetera?”

Answer: ‘They simply don’t need them and they’re too dangerous for civilians to own; as evidenced by all these mass shootings; all these school kids slaughtered; all us Vegas concert goers gunned down.’

It’s the weapon of choice by mass murders. If all they had for their infamy and suicide quest was a bolt action rifle with 6-shots; you think they’d still do their deed? And wouldn’t fewer kids die?

(Rhetorical questions for the likes of you two).
.

1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF they

are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with the
person shooting it.

No shit, Dick Tracy?

Would bet money you didn't know all those things. You'd be surprised what I catch deputies not knowing about guns. They may know their 9mm well, but they don't know shit about a number of gun laws and many guns.

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation
with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons.

.
.

I don’t need saving, jerkoff, he does. He knows the assault weapons are war weapons. Too dangerous for the populous, as evidence of all these mass shootings. But neither he nor the NRA can answer to the fact our civilian population doesn’t need

them to comply with The Second Amendment.

So I simply pose the question, “Why can’t we civilians purchase other war weapons?” He can’t answer because that answer justifies outlawing our present assault weapons.

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades, fully automatic 50-cal, C-4, RPG, Stingers, et cetera?”

Answer: ‘They simply don’t need them and they’re too dangerous for civilians to own; as evidenced by all these mass shootings; all these school kids slaughtered; all us Vegas concert goers gunned down.’

It’s the weapon of choice by mass murders. If all they had for their infamy and suicide quest was a bolt action rifle with 6-shots; you think they’d still do their deed? And wouldn’t fewer kids die?

(Rhetorical questions for the likes of you two).

.

Heh. At least you understand Rhetorical…
.

.

1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF

they are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with
the person shooting it.

No shit, Dick Tracy?

.

Would bet money you didn't know all those things.

THAT’S your answer?
THAT’S your reply?

You'd be surprised what I catch deputies not knowing about guns.

Yea, I would. You’re a fake, a liar, a dodger and a fool. Bill and I have proved all of that.

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 1:02:43 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation
with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons.

.
.

I don’t need saving, jerkoff, he does. He knows the assault weapons are war weapons. Too dangerous for the populous, as evidence of all these mass shootings. But neither he nor the NRA can answer to the fact our civilian population doesn’t need

them to comply with The Second Amendment.

So I simply pose the question, “Why can’t we civilians purchase other war weapons?” He can’t answer because that answer justifies outlawing our present assault weapons.

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades, fully automatic 50-cal, C-4, RPG, Stingers, et cetera?”

Answer: ‘They simply don’t need them and they’re too dangerous for civilians to own; as evidenced by all these mass shootings; all these school kids slaughtered; all us Vegas concert goers gunned down.’

It’s the weapon of choice by mass murders. If all they had for their infamy and suicide quest was a bolt action rifle with 6-shots; you think they’d still do their deed? And wouldn’t fewer kids die?

(Rhetorical questions for the likes of you two).

.
Heh. At least you understand Rhetorical…
.

.

1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF

they are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with
the person shooting it.

No shit, Dick Tracy?

.

Would bet money you didn't know all those things.

THAT’S your answer?
THAT’S your reply?

You'd be surprised what I catch deputies not knowing about guns.

Yea, I would. You’re a fake, a liar, a dodger and a fool. Bill and I have proved all of that.

RIP Jerry

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:13:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

RIP Jerry

So young. Very sad. Where can I send flowers?

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:26:21 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:16:33 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:13:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

RIP Jerry

So young. Very sad. Where can I send flowers?

In lieu of flowers, send a campaign contribution to Donald Trump 2024.

ha! perfect. you're funny.

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:16:33 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:13:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

RIP Jerry

So young. Very sad. Where can I send flowers?

In lieu of flowers, send a campaign contribution to Donald Trump 2024.

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:16:33 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:13:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

RIP Jerry

So young. Very sad. Where can I send flowers?

And take this phony with you...

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:13:36 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 1:02:43 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:46:02 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:

Many police officers now carry AR-15s. They still feel outgunned. (NYTimes)

Yawn, cops have been carrying ARs and Mini 14s in Texas for decades, I remember a conversation
with a deputy sheriff who had a Mini 14 in the place of a shotgun around 1980

Jerry is an AR more dangerous than a Mini 14?

.

I gotta save Jerry here because it's a trick question for multiple reasons.

.
.

I don’t need saving, jerkoff, he does. He knows the assault weapons are war weapons. Too dangerous for the populous, as evidence of all these mass shootings. But neither he nor the NRA can answer to the fact our civilian population doesn’t

need them to comply with The Second Amendment.

So I simply pose the question, “Why can’t we civilians purchase other war weapons?” He can’t answer because that answer justifies outlawing our present assault weapons.

“Why can’t we civilians purchase hand grenades, fully automatic 50-cal, C-4, RPG, Stingers, et cetera?”

Answer: ‘They simply don’t need them and they’re too dangerous for civilians to own; as evidenced by all these mass shootings; all these school kids slaughtered; all us Vegas concert goers gunned down.’

It’s the weapon of choice by mass murders. If all they had for their infamy and suicide quest was a bolt action rifle with 6-shots; you think they’d still do their deed? And wouldn’t fewer kids die?

(Rhetorical questions for the likes of you two).

.
Heh. At least you understand Rhetorical…

.

*** Does he ever! ***
.
.

.

.

1. You didn't specify the caliber of the AR....2. If you are comparing a 5.56MM AR with a Mini14, well, even if they bought shoot 5.56MM, it's then a matter of how long the barrel is on each. Barrels on both rifles come in various length and IF

they are the same caliber, shooting the same exact round, then the one with the longer barrel should be more powerful and as much I'd interpret more dangerous. if "power" is how you determine danger. Personally, I think "danger" has everything to do with
the person shooting it.

No shit, Dick Tracy?

.

Would bet money you didn't know all those things.

THAT’S your answer?

.
*** No answer noted. Again. ***
.

THAT’S your reply?

.

*** No reply noted. Again ***
.

You'd be surprised what I catch deputies not knowing about guns.

Yea, I would. You’re a fake, a liar, a dodger and a fool. Bill and I have proved all of that.

.

RIP Jerry

.

See. Run chicken run...

LOL!

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