• Trump's Candidacy Is Unconstitutional

    From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 20:02:50 2023
    To uphold the Constitution one must oppose Trump's candidacy:
    |
    | Section 3.
    |
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    |
    <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    --bks

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sat Mar 18 20:15:13 2023
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    To uphold the Constitution one must oppose Trump's candidacy:
    |
    | Section 3.
    |
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    |
    <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    --bks

    Indeed

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Sun Mar 19 08:14:51 2023
    On 3/18/2023 10:15 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    To uphold the Constitution one must oppose Trump's candidacy:
    |
    | Section 3.
    |
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    |
    <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    --bks

    Indeed

    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be
    an expert on such truths.

    [If you "believe" anything to be the "truth" and you are convinced you
    are "correct" ... if what you believe is about "super" natural stuff, it
    is indeed actually perfectly "natural" after all.]

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com on Sun Mar 19 13:25:42 2023
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be
    an expert on such truths.
    ...

    You mean this trial?
    |
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    |
    | Seditious conspiracy charges are rarely used and even more
    | rarely successful, making the verdict a significant victory
    | for the Justice Department. Of the nearly 1,000 people
    | charged with committing crimes at the Capitol on Jan. 6,
    | 2021, fewer than 20 were charged with seditious conspiracy,
    | identified by the Justice Department as not just
    | participants in a violent mob but also leaders using
    | brutality to further a political plot.
    | ... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/23/oathkeepers-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-jan6-guilty/>

    --bks

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com on Sun Mar 19 15:03:25 2023
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/19/2023 8:25 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be >>> an expert on such truths.
    ...

    You mean this trial?
    |
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    ...
    Well ... since you were talking about "Trump" ... you should not have >referenced "that" trial. (There are others too, you know ... maybe you
    do not).
    ...

    What part of "seditious conspiracy" do you not understand?

    --bks

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 09:44:39 2023
    On 3/19/2023 8:25 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be
    an expert on such truths.
    ...

    You mean this trial?
    |
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    |
    | Seditious conspiracy charges are rarely used and even more
    | rarely successful, making the verdict a significant victory
    | for the Justice Department. Of the nearly 1,000 people
    | charged with committing crimes at the Capitol on Jan. 6,
    | 2021, fewer than 20 were charged with seditious conspiracy,
    | identified by the Justice Department as not just
    | participants in a violent mob but also leaders using
    | brutality to further a political plot.
    | ... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/23/oathkeepers-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-jan6-guilty/>

    --bks

    Well ... since you were talking about "Trump" ... you should not have referenced "that" trial. (There are others too, you know ... maybe you
    do not).

    Anyway, your reference is to the NYT and requires a subscription, which
    you likely have.

    Maybe FOX News would provide a better reference.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/4-oath-keepers-convicted-seditious-conspiracy-roles-jan-6-riot

    I suspect even you can understand Trump was not on trial. If and when
    he is, and he is convicted, I will agree that without more, he is
    unlikely to be President again. [I would hope that he just does not
    run, but that is beside the point.]

    All of the people convicted in that event (and maybe more) are criminals
    and got/get what they deserved.

    Maybe someday, some folks will understand that when they get too
    absorbed with their personal political prejudices, they are not doing themselves a favor.

    Holding out little hope for you.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 10:29:49 2023
    On 3/19/2023 10:03 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/19/2023 8:25 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be >>>> an expert on such truths.
    ...

    You mean this trial?
    |
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    ...
    Well ... since you were talking about "Trump" ... you should not have
    referenced "that" trial. (There are others too, you know ... maybe you
    do not).
    ...

    What part of "seditious conspiracy" do you not understand?

    --bks


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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 10:33:13 2023
    On 3/19/2023 10:03 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/19/2023 8:25 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    If you "believe" "guilt" before "trial" is the "truth" ... blab might be >>>> an expert on such truths.
    ...

    You mean this trial?
    |
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    ...
    Well ... since you were talking about "Trump" ... you should not have
    referenced "that" trial. (There are others too, you know ... maybe you
    do not).
    ...

    What part of "seditious conspiracy" do you not understand?

    --bks

    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense. Until that time, you are apparently unaware of your ...
    lack of concept? Bias? General goofiness? Error.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com on Sun Mar 19 18:27:08 2023
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 14:43:02 2023
    On 3/19/2023 1:27 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks

    You are falling upon your own sword.

    Why are they talking about an indictment?

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com on Sun Mar 19 21:02:04 2023
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/19/2023 1:27 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >>>>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >>>>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >>>>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >>>>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >>>>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >>>>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    You are falling upon your own sword.
    Why are they talking about an indictment?

    Who are "they"?

    --bks

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 14:43:06 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:27:15 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    ~ Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks


    By your reasoning then, Joe Biden's candidacy is unconstitutional if 'everyone knows' he engaged in a seditious conspiracy.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Sun Mar 19 15:40:58 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 3:23:55 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:27:15 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    ~ Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.


    By your reasoning then, Joe Biden's candidacy is unconstitutional if 'everyone knows' he engaged in a seditious conspiracy.

    ~ How so? I produced a court verdict of seditious conspiracy involving
    Trump.


    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?

    Donald Trump says Mike Pence was the cause of the attempted putsch. You can bet that millions of Trump's followers ('everyone' in your parlance) also 'know' this.

    ~ Pretty sure you're blowing smoke wrt Biden, but if you have
    a citation, produce it.

    --bks


    You produced a citation that is irrelevant. I could do the same except that I have no interest in mental masturbation.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to swingtrader@gmail.com on Sun Mar 19 22:23:48 2023
    risky biz <swingtrader@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:27:15 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    ~ Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    By your reasoning then, Joe Biden's candidacy is unconstitutional if 'everyone knows' he engaged in a seditious conspiracy.

    How so? I produced a court verdict of seditious conspiracy involving
    Trump. Pretty sure you're blowing smoke wrt Biden, but if you have
    a citation, produce it.

    --bks

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to swingtrader@gmail.com on Sun Mar 19 23:54:54 2023
    risky biz <swingtrader@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat
    in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...

    Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...

    --bks

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Mon Mar 20 00:32:14 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >> >> >>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >> >> >>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >> >> >>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >> >> >>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >> >> >>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >> >> >>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat
    in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...


    ~ Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    --bks


    Suggestion: stop doubling down on dense.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Mon Mar 20 06:48:13 2023
    On 3/19/2023 4:02 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/19/2023 1:27 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    da pickle <jcpickels@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >>>>>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >>>>>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >>>>>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >>>>>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in >>>>>>>>>> | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >>>>>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >>>>>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    ...
    When you reference the conviction of Trump, you will be correct and
    making sense.

    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    You are falling upon your own sword.
    Why are they talking about an indictment?

    Who are "they"?

    --bks

    You cannot be as stupid as you are pretending to be.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Mon Mar 20 06:50:51 2023
    On 3/20/2023 2:32 AM, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >>>>>>>>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any >>>>>>>>>>>>> | office, civil or military, under the United States, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >>>>>>>>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >>>>>>>>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in >>>>>>>>>>>>> | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >>>>>>>>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >>>>>>>>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat
    in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...

    If
    ~ Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    --bks


    Suggestion: stop doubling down on dense.

    Apparently, he thinks one of those four is actually Trump in disguise.

    If "they" do indict Trump and "convict" him of "seditious conspiracy",
    Brad will finally be vindicated.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Mon Mar 20 08:01:52 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:32:17 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
    risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >> >> >>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in >> >> >>>>>>> | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >> >> >>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat >in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...

    ~ Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    --bks
    Suggestion: stop doubling down on dense.

    See, Bradley? He's going into the "Golly, you're 'dense' and it doesn't make 'sense,' running mode.

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 20 11:08:08 2023
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv55da$m3$1@panix3.panix.com...

    To uphold the Constitution one must oppose Trump's candidacy:
    |
    | Section 3.
    |
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    |
    <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    --bks

    ______________


    At least you now understand why the Left uses that language. Now you'll
    notice it every time you watch MSNBC and CNN.

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 20 11:10:26 2023
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message
    news:tv7k5s$1ro$2@reader2.panix.com...

    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks

    _________________



    You're usually smarter than this.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Mar 20 12:05:23 2023
    On 3/20/2023 10:01 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:32:17 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>> risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | office, civil or military, under the United States, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | or judicial officer of any state, to support the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat >>>> in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...

    ~ Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    --bks
    Suggestion: stop doubling down on dense.

    See, Bradley? He's going into the "Golly, you're 'dense' and it doesn't make 'sense,' running mode.

    The word "gullible" is NOT in the dictionary.



    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
    www.avg.com

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Mon Mar 20 13:09:37 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:08:16 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv55da$m3$1...@panix3.panix.com... To uphold the Constitution one must oppose Trump's candidacy:
    |
    | Section 3.
    |
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
    | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    |
    <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    --bks
    ______________


    At least you now understand why the Left uses that language.

    The Constitution?

    Now you'll notice it every time you watch MSNBC and CNN.

    Or read our Constitution...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Mon Mar 20 13:10:33 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:11:37 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________



    You're usually smarter than this.

    Meaning you have no argument?

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Mon Mar 20 18:41:48 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________



    You're usually smarter than this.

    What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Mar 20 21:54:31 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________




    You're usually smarter than this.


    ~ What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


    It means there is a very good case to convict him. But he hasn't been yet.

    The time to act was January 7th, 2021:
    'If George Washington had been commander of the Army on January 6th, 2021 Donald Trump would have been hanging by his neck from a rope on January 7th, 2021.'
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/bIPCc7XQ5T8/m/cCjvH65gAgAJ

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to swingtrader@gmail.com on Tue Mar 21 12:35:10 2023
    risky biz <swingtrader@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message
    news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    You're usually smarter than this.

    ~ What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

    It means there is a very good case to convict him. But he hasn't been yet.
    ...

    Bullshit on top of bullshit inside of bullshit.

    --bks

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to risky biz on Tue Mar 21 09:55:25 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:54:35 AM UTC-4, risky biz wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________




    You're usually smarter than this.
    ~ What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


    It means there is a very good case to convict him. But he hasn't been yet.

    The time to act was January 7th, 2021:
    'If George Washington had been commander of the Army on January 6th, 2021 Donald Trump would have been hanging by his neck from a rope on January 7th, 2021.'
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/bIPCc7XQ5T8/m/cCjvH65gAgAJ

    That is my question. Does invoking that clause require a criminal case?

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Tue Mar 21 12:32:41 2023
    On 3/21/2023 11:55 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:54:35 AM UTC-4, risky biz wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message
    news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about
    conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the
    insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________




    You're usually smarter than this.
    ~ What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


    It means there is a very good case to convict him. But he hasn't been yet. >>
    The time to act was January 7th, 2021:
    'If George Washington had been commander of the Army on January 6th, 2021 Donald Trump would have been hanging by his neck from a rope on January 7th, 2021.'
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/bIPCc7XQ5T8/m/cCjvH65gAgAJ

    That is my question. Does invoking that clause require a criminal case?

    Yes ... or you could ask the Supreme Court and if they accept the case
    and if they say "No" ... then the answer is No.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Tue Mar 21 12:00:42 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:55:29 AM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:54:35 AM UTC-4, risky biz wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:tv7k5s$1ro$2...@reader2.panix.com...
    Stop making sh.t up. There's nothing in the amendment about conviction. Everyone reading this knows Trump engaged in the insurrection.

    --bks
    _________________




    You're usually smarter than this.
    ~ What does this clause mean? "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


    It means there is a very good case to convict him. But he hasn't been yet.

    The time to act was January 7th, 2021:
    'If George Washington had been commander of the Army on January 6th, 2021 Donald Trump would have been hanging by his neck from a rope on January 7th, 2021.'
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/bIPCc7XQ5T8/m/cCjvH65gAgAJ

    ~ That is my question. Does invoking that clause require a criminal case?


    Invoked by whom? 'Bradley K. Sherman'? That has zero meaning. The DOJ hasn't had the nuts to charge him. Not yet, anyway.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Tue Mar 21 15:22:45 2023
    On March 20, Mossingen wrote:
    | Section 3.
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    At least you now understand why the Left uses that language. Now you'll notice it every time you watch MSNBC and CNN.

    The Constitution is ambiguous whether 'officer' extends to
    the president. All references to officers suggest they are
    appointed by the president. He doesn't appoint himself.

    If Drumpf runs, you can bet the legal beagles will go to
    town on this question - more Drumpf theater, hurrah!
    His reign was a continuous circus -

    PS The Constitution doesn't disqualify a person from
    moving the Oval Office to a jail cell.

    --
    Rich

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Mar 21 16:21:36 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 3:22:49 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On March 20, Mossingen wrote:
    | Section 3.
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or <https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv>

    At least you now understand why the Left uses that language. Now you'll notice it every time you watch MSNBC and CNN.
    The Constitution is ambiguous whether 'officer' extends to
    the president. All references to officers suggest they are
    appointed by the president. He doesn't appoint himself.

    If Drumpf runs, you can bet the legal beagles will go to
    town on this question - more Drumpf theater, hurrah!
    His reign was a continuous circus -

    PS The Constitution doesn't disqualify a person from
    moving the Oval Office to a jail cell.

    --
    Rich
    .

    I fail to see why they’re so worried about Trump running. I’m hoping he runs. Christ, he’s lost the popular vote both times he’s run, and judging by this last election, would lose in a landslide against my dog.

    Democrats finally got the message, and amplified it, “Do you want to lose your Social Security and Medicare?” Hell, even the wingnuts here couldn’t say yes. Look at the split the GOP already has, You take that and the women’s vote on not being
    forced breeders and hell, how could he win?

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Mar 22 10:46:43 2023
    On 3/20/2023 12:05 PM, da pickle wrote:
    On 3/20/2023 10:01 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:32:17 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >>>> risky biz <swing...@gmail.com> wrote:
    ..
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | office, civil or military, under the United States, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aid or
    | comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    ...
    Those court verdicts of seditious conspiracy 'involved' every Democrat >>>>> in Congress, also. So their candidacies are unconstitutional?
    ...

    ~ Bullshit. Read it again, slowly:
    | ...
    | Four members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were
    | convicted of seditious conspiracy Monday, joining founder
    | Stewart Rhodes in being found guilty by a jury of plotting
    | to keep President Donald Trump in power by force.
    | ...
    --bks
    Suggestion: stop doubling down on dense.

    See, Bradley? He's going into the "Golly, you're 'dense' and it
    doesn't make 'sense,' running mode.

    The word "gullible" is NOT in the dictionary.

    I knew you could not find it.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 19:34:06 2023
    | Section 3.
    | No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    | or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
    | office, civil or military, under the United States, or
    | under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a
    | member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
    | or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive
    | or judicial officer of any state, to support the
    | Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in
    | insurrection or rebellion against the same, or

    The beat goes on:
    |
    | A federal judge has rejected former President Donald
    | Trump's claims of executive privilege and has ordered Mark
    | Meadows and other former top aides to testify before a
    | federal grand jury investigating Trump's efforts to
    | overturn the election leading up to the Jan. 6 attack on
    | the U.S. Capitol, multiple sources familiar with the matter
    | tell ABC News.
    | ... <https://abcnews.go.com/US/meadows-top-trump-aides-ordered-testify-jan-6/story?id=98101813>

    And on:
    |
    | A federal appeals court has ruled that a lawyer for Donald
    | Trump must provide notes, transcripts and other evidence to
    | prosecutors investigating how classified documents remained
    | at the former president's Mar-a-Lago home months after a
    | subpoena to return all sensitive files, according to court
    | records and people familiar with the matter.
    |
    | The panel of three judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for
    | the D.C. Circuit issued a brief order Wednesday afternoon
    | directing the parties "to comply with the district court's
    | March 17, 2023, order to produce documents" and ending an
    | emergency hold on a ruling last week by a lower-court judge.
    | ... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/22/trump-appeal-lawyer-classified-documents/>

    --bks

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