• Re: OT: The Colorado shooter's guns.

    From Kingg Badman@21:1/5 to Pepe Papon on Sat Jan 28 19:09:27 2023
    On Saturday, 4 August 2012 at 06:48:31 UTC+1, Pepe Papon wrote:
    On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:17:30 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

    Pepe Papon wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:43:22 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

    Pepe Papon wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:59:13 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

    Pepe Papon wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:24:39 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    Pepe Papon wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:52:26 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    Those are not the reasons your second amendment was instituted, you
    should read it again. The reason was so that a militia could be quickly
    assembled to fight off any attack from the British.

    Utter claptrap. Read some of the writings of Jefferson and others about
    it.

    That was the basic reason.

    Cite?

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt2_user.html#amdt2_hd2 >>>>>>
    Where's the part about fighting off an attack by the British?

    You have to take the historic context into account.

    In other words, you made it up, and you have no cite..

    I didn't say I had a cite.

    I asked for a cite, and you responded by posting a link. If the link
    wasn't supposed to be a cite, then WTF was the point of posting it?

    I thought it was pretty obvious that keeping
    a ready militia after a war would be in case there were further
    hostilities an army could be mustered quickly.

    You might think it's obvious, but that doesn't make you correct. I
    asked for a cite, and you pretended to provide one.

    " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free >State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be >infringed."
    Still not a cite.
    To what does "well regulated" refer, and who is responsible for enacting >and enforcing those regulations?

    What is the threat to the security of the "State" that is contemplated. Those questions are red herrings. You asserted that the amendment was included for the purpose of defending against attacks by the British.
    Show where it says that, show a historical cite supporting that, or
    just admit that you were wrong.


    And the real reason you
    say is what? So people can shoot government officials if they overstep? >>> It seems like people like that are locked up these days.

    Tyrants routinely lock people up. It's a lot harder for a tyrant to
    control an armed populace.

    I don't believe that 99.999% of gun owners in the U.S. have them to
    defend themselves against a tyrant. That's a lame excuse.
    Your speculation about present day gun owners says nothing about why
    the amendment was included by the Founders.
    --

    Pepe "The Revelation" Papon


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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to ramashiva on Sat Jan 28 20:16:21 2023
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 3:38:19 AM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)


    I miss you, Ramashiva.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to paulpo...@sbcglobal.net on Sat Jan 28 20:41:27 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:16:24 PM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 3:38:19 AM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)


    I miss you, Ramashiva.

    Wasn't he evil for posting Bea's possible address? Your wife seems to think so.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Jan 29 01:16:34 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:

    Wasn't he evil for posting Bea's possible address? Your wife seems to think so.


    Ramashiva was kind and compassionate. You, on the other hand, are the Machiavelli of RGP.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to paulpo...@sbcglobal.net on Sun Jan 29 02:51:51 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:16:37 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:


    Ramashiva was kind and compassionate.

    Oh boy, just saying something like that could lead to irreconcilable differences. I hope you are prepared to pay riskytard alimony for the rest of your life.

    Just kidding, he'll still kiss your ass. You're lucky he's a total hypocrite, but if I were you I'd still try to smooth things over by sending him a gift basket of soy products..


    You, on the other hand, are the Machiavelli of RGP.

    Isn't that the guy with the Italian cooking show? I can barely boil pasta.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Jan 29 06:32:48 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:51:55 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:16:37 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:


    Ramashiva was kind and compassionate.
    Oh boy, just saying something like that could lead to irreconcilable differences. I hope you are prepared to pay riskytard alimony for the rest of your life.




    I am quoting Ramashiva. He SAID he was kind and compassionate. Who am I to disagree? How well did I really know him? I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Because I am kind and compassionate. On the other hand, although I don't know you
    personally any better than I knew Ramashiva, I am quite positive you are a lying asshole.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to paulpo...@sbcglobal.net on Sun Jan 29 06:38:27 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:32:52 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:51:55 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:16:37 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:


    Ramashiva was kind and compassionate.
    Oh boy, just saying something like that could lead to irreconcilable differences. I hope you are prepared to pay riskytard alimony for the rest of your life.

    I am quoting Ramashiva. He SAID he was kind and compassionate. Who am I to disagree? How well did I really know him? I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Because I am kind and compassionate. On the other hand, although I don't know you
    personally any better than I knew Ramashiva, I am quite positive you are a lying asshole.

    But you do think posting what he thought was Bea's address is consistent with being kind and compassionate, because you know he did that. That is going to enrage your internet wife (if he's not a hypocrite, that is).

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Sun Jan 29 11:44:15 2023
    On 1/28/2023 10:16 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 3:38:19 AM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)


    I miss you, Ramashiva.

    Me too, Paul ... even though he would not shake my hand, he was a
    interesting human being.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Jan 29 11:48:32 2023
    On 1/29/2023 8:38 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:32:52 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:51:55 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:16:37 AM UTC-8, paulpo...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:41:30 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:


    Ramashiva was kind and compassionate.
    Oh boy, just saying something like that could lead to irreconcilable differences. I hope you are prepared to pay riskytard alimony for the rest of your life.

    I am quoting Ramashiva. He SAID he was kind and compassionate. Who am I to disagree? How well did I really know him? I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Because I am kind and compassionate. On the other hand, although I don't know you
    personally any better than I knew Ramashiva, I am quite positive you are a lying asshole.

    But you do think posting what he thought was Bea's address is consistent with being kind and compassionate, because you know he did that. That is going to enrage your internet wife (if he's not a hypocrite, that is).

    Dodging your own words does not help you at all ... whateveryouare

    Ramashiva was a real man. Not a no body.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to ramashiva on Mon Jan 30 09:08:43 2023
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 6:38:19 AM UTC-4, ramashiva wrote:
    On Jul 24, 1:59 am, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:

    Can someone please remind me again why it's in *my* best interest to
    have every angst-ridden 20-something male on the continent owning these weapons?
    No one gives a fuck what is in your best interest. The second
    amendment is designed to protect the right of the people to keep and
    bear arms, not serve your best interest.

    Thanks for reminding me again that you are a total asshole.

    You lost me when you insisted the Boy Scouts were bigots because they
    want to belong to a faggot-free organization.

    You are the perfect embodiment of a left-wing politically correct
    asshole. You should really take a look at your behavior and the
    behavior of your clones, Clave and Jerry. You guys consistently label
    anyone who disagrees with you on a political issue as bigots. This
    kind of demonization of people for simply disagreeing with you on a
    political issue is one of many reasons why the left must be destroyed
    in this country if we are to survive as a free country, because right underneath that stringent, judgemental political correctness is a totalitarian mentality.
    AR-15 Semi-automatic Rifle

    "The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated
    by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston
    operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys
    and synthetic materials.

    The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire assault rifle
    for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems,
    ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered
    the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt
    AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.[8] The name "AR-15" is a Colt registered trademark, which refers
    only to the semi-automatic rifle."

    http://guns.yfa1.ru/eng/image/AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.jpg

    *from what I understand, the AR-15 was equipped with some kind of aftermarket high capacity magazine, which ended up jamming.

    Remington 870 Shotgun

    "The Remington Model 870 is a U.S.-made pump-action shotgun manufactured
    by Remington Arms Company, Inc. It is widely used by the public for
    sport shooting, hunting, and self-defense. It is also commonly used by
    law enforcement and military organizations worldwide."

    http://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/rem870GR-600.png

    Glock .40 (x2)

    "The Glock pistol, sometimes referred to by the manufacturer as Glock
    "Safe Action" Pistol, is a series of semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Glock Ges.m.b.H., located in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria...
    Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of
    products, commanding 65% of the market share of handguns for United
    States law enforcement agencies[6] as well as supplying numerous
    national armed forces and security agencies worldwide."

    http://fahq-u.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/glock23gen36.jpg
    All these weapons are run of the mill weapons owned by millions of
    people. I have a much more extensive armory myself, as do many other patriotic Americans.


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)

    Oh William, we miss you

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Mon Jan 30 09:12:27 2023
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:08:47 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 6:38:19 AM UTC-4, ramashiva wrote:
    On Jul 24, 1:59 am, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:

    Can someone please remind me again why it's in *my* best interest to
    have every angst-ridden 20-something male on the continent owning these weapons?
    No one gives a fuck what is in your best interest. The second
    amendment is designed to protect the right of the people to keep and
    bear arms, not serve your best interest.

    Thanks for reminding me again that you are a total asshole.

    You lost me when you insisted the Boy Scouts were bigots because they
    want to belong to a faggot-free organization.

    You are the perfect embodiment of a left-wing politically correct
    asshole. You should really take a look at your behavior and the
    behavior of your clones, Clave and Jerry. You guys consistently label anyone who disagrees with you on a political issue as bigots. This
    kind of demonization of people for simply disagreeing with you on a political issue is one of many reasons why the left must be destroyed
    in this country if we are to survive as a free country, because right underneath that stringent, judgemental political correctness is a totalitarian mentality.
    AR-15 Semi-automatic Rifle

    "The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials.

    The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire assault rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered
    the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.[8] The name "AR-15" is a Colt registered trademark, which refers only to the semi-automatic rifle."

    http://guns.yfa1.ru/eng/image/AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.jpg

    *from what I understand, the AR-15 was equipped with some kind of aftermarket high capacity magazine, which ended up jamming.

    Remington 870 Shotgun

    "The Remington Model 870 is a U.S.-made pump-action shotgun manufactured by Remington Arms Company, Inc. It is widely used by the public for
    sport shooting, hunting, and self-defense. It is also commonly used by law enforcement and military organizations worldwide."

    http://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/rem870GR-600.png

    Glock .40 (x2)

    "The Glock pistol, sometimes referred to by the manufacturer as Glock "Safe Action" Pistol, is a series of semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Glock Ges.m.b.H., located in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria...
    Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of
    products, commanding 65% of the market share of handguns for United States law enforcement agencies[6] as well as supplying numerous
    national armed forces and security agencies worldwide."

    http://fahq-u.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/glock23gen36.jpg
    All these weapons are run of the mill weapons owned by millions of
    people. I have a much more extensive armory myself, as do many other patriotic Americans.


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)
    Oh William, we miss you

    He called me a left-wing politically correct asshole! He sure could read people.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Jan 30 09:26:15 2023
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:08:47 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 at 6:38:19 AM UTC-4, ramashiva wrote:
    On Jul 24, 1:59 am, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:

    Can someone please remind me again why it's in *my* best interest to have every angst-ridden 20-something male on the continent owning these weapons?
    No one gives a fuck what is in your best interest. The second
    amendment is designed to protect the right of the people to keep and
    bear arms, not serve your best interest.

    Thanks for reminding me again that you are a total asshole.

    You lost me when you insisted the Boy Scouts were bigots because they want to belong to a faggot-free organization.

    You are the perfect embodiment of a left-wing politically correct asshole. You should really take a look at your behavior and the
    behavior of your clones, Clave and Jerry. You guys consistently label anyone who disagrees with you on a political issue as bigots. This
    kind of demonization of people for simply disagreeing with you on a political issue is one of many reasons why the left must be destroyed
    in this country if we are to survive as a free country, because right underneath that stringent, judgemental political correctness is a totalitarian mentality.
    AR-15 Semi-automatic Rifle

    "The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials.

    The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire assault rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in
    1963.[8] The name "AR-15" is a Colt registered trademark, which refers only to the semi-automatic rifle."

    http://guns.yfa1.ru/eng/image/AR-15_Sporter_SP1_Carbine.jpg

    *from what I understand, the AR-15 was equipped with some kind of aftermarket high capacity magazine, which ended up jamming.

    Remington 870 Shotgun

    "The Remington Model 870 is a U.S.-made pump-action shotgun manufactured
    by Remington Arms Company, Inc. It is widely used by the public for sport shooting, hunting, and self-defense. It is also commonly used by law enforcement and military organizations worldwide."

    http://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/rem870GR-600.png

    Glock .40 (x2)

    "The Glock pistol, sometimes referred to by the manufacturer as Glock "Safe Action" Pistol, is a series of semi-automatic pistols designed and
    produced by Glock Ges.m.b.H., located in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria... Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, commanding 65% of the market share of handguns for United States law enforcement agencies[6] as well as supplying numerous national armed forces and security agencies worldwide."

    http://fahq-u.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/glock23gen36.jpg
    All these weapons are run of the mill weapons owned by millions of people. I have a much more extensive armory myself, as do many other patriotic Americans.


    William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)
    Oh William, we miss you
    He called me a left-wing politically correct asshole! He sure could read people.

    True that

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to da pickle on Mon Jan 30 14:22:23 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Me too, Paul ... even though he would not shake my hand, he was a
    interesting human being.


    I will never forget him.

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