• 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.'

    From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 10:38:55 2023
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.' https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/0pCLfwfNnmM/m/Pzvl8UffAAAJ

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri Jan 6 11:53:18 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.' https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/0pCLfwfNnmM/m/Pzvl8UffAAAJ

    Still true and I stand by my response in that thread

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Fri Jan 6 15:17:53 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 11:53:22 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.' https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/0pCLfwfNnmM/m/Pzvl8UffAAAJ


    ~ Still true and I stand by my response in that thread


    Interestingly, if enough Democrats coalesce with a couple of dozen 'moderate' Republicans the speakership could go to a 'moderate' Republican who is less of a Trump sycophant than Kevin McCarthy. News commentators say it won't happen because it would be
    suicide for any Republicans who participated. I'm not so sure that's accurate.

    The number of 'moderate' Republicans would also have to exceed the number of 'left' Democrats who refused to rubberstamp it.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri Jan 6 17:14:22 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:17:57 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 11:53:22 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.' https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.poker/c/0pCLfwfNnmM/m/Pzvl8UffAAAJ
    ~ Still true and I stand by my response in that thread


    Interestingly, if enough Democrats coalesce with a couple of dozen 'moderate' Republicans the
    speakership could go to a 'moderate' Republican who is less of a Trump sycophant than Kevin McCarthy.
    .

    I agree. I believe that’s what AOC was talking to one of those Republicans about after the first vote.
    I’m surprised McCarthy hasn’t tried bribing some Democrats by offering some leadership positions,
    except that his Republicans wouldn’t vote for him then.
    .

    News commentators say it won't happen because it would be suicide for any Republicans who participated.
    .

    Yea.
    .

    I'm not so sure that's accurate.
    .

    I think it is. Look at the ones still voting for McCarthy, even after him selling his soul. Even now his
    Speakership would be worthless.
    .

    The number of 'moderate' Republicans would also have to exceed the number of 'left' Democrats
    who refused to rubberstamp it.
    .

    The 6 or 7 power-wing Republicans would wheel a lot of power, and they’re the treasonous assholes
    that voted against democracy…

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 17:26:50 2023
    Speaker Quest Reveals McCarthy’s Tenuous Grip on an Unruly Majority (NYTImes)

    As the Republican leader has made concessions to the
    far right, he has effectively agreed to give them carte
    blanche to disrupt the workings of the House — and to
    hold him hostage to their demands.

    WASHINGTON — In yet another day of Representative Kevin McCarthy of California trying to become speaker of the House, this much was clear: The United States should brace for the likelihood of a Congress in perpetual disarray for the next two years.

    The recipe for the chaos already existed: A toxic combination of the Republicans’ slim governing majority, an unyielding hard-right flank that disdains the normal operations of government and a candidate for speaker who has repeatedly bowed to that
    flank in his quest for power.

    But to see it play out repeatedly on the House floor this week has left little doubt that Congress as an entity would struggle to carry out even its most basic duties in the coming two years, such as funding the government, including the military, or
    avoiding a catastrophic federal debt default.

    Already, the functioning of the House had ground to a halt before it even began, rendering the body essentially useless. Without a speaker, lawmakers were unable to pass bills, form committees or even get sworn in. And Mr. McCarthy had promised still
    more concessions to the hard-right group that would substantially weaken the speakership in exchange for their votes, effectively giving them new tools for disrupting business in the House — and the ability to hold him hostage to their demands.

    “He’s going be the weakest speaker,” said Representative Ruben Gallego, Democrat of Arizona. “The problem is that he’s also weakened the institution in general — all because he wants the vain title of speaker but without the power or the
    potential responsibility.”

    Ahead of the first speaker vote, Mr. McCarthy had offered some key concessions, including a return to a rule that would allow rank-and-file lawmakers to force a snap vote on ousting the speaker. On Wednesday, a major political action committee aligned
    with Mr. McCarthy agreed to limit its role in G.O.P. primaries in safe Republican districts, another demand of the conservatives who have bristled at his efforts to box out hard-right candidates in favor of more mainstream ones.

    And on Thursday, Mr. McCarthy also privately agreed to even more concessions that could disrupt the normal operations of the House and diminish his ability to control it, embracing measures that he had previously refused to countenance. A single lawmaker
    could move to oust the speaker, instead of the five Mr. McCarthy had initially offered as a compromise, according to people familiar with the negotiations who described them on condition of anonymity.

    The hard right would get approval power over some plum committee assignments, including a third of the members on the influential Rules Committee, which controls what legislation reaches the floor and in what form. And spending bills would have to be
    considered under so-called open rules, allowing any member to put to a vote an unlimited number of changes that could gut or scuttle the legislation altogether.

    Representative David Valadao, Republican of California and a McCarthy ally, said more moderate members of the conference were growing concerned that the deals being cut would give too much leverage to the far right.

    “Obviously we’re concerned about it,” he said, adding, “I’m not thrilled with the direction it’s going.”

    Mr. McCarthy rejected the notion that he was doing damage to the speakership or to the House’s ability to function.

    “Has it undercut the power of all the other speakers?” he shot back, after a reporter asked him whether allowing for a snap vote for his removal would weaken him. “So why would it cut mine? It’d only be a weaker speaker if I was afraid of it.”

    In fact, the specter of such a vote dogged the previous two Republican speakers, helping right-wing lawmakers to push out John A. Boehner of Ohio in 2015, and hanging heavily over his successor, Paul D. Ryan, during his tenure.

    Mainstream Republicans pilloried some of the hard right’s terms, such as the demands for prominent committee posts, but others had wide support in the party.

    Some of the proposed rules changes come in response to widely held concerns about the way Congress operates. Many House Republicans have long been frustrated with the current state of affairs concerning spending bills. Lawmakers are often forced to vote
    on large catchall measures, numbering thousands of pages and hundreds of billions of dollars, with only hours to review their contents.

    “A lot of the things that the ‘No caucus’ is asking for are things that we likely would want to see anyway,” said Representative Stephanie Bice, Republican of Oklahoma and a McCarthy supporter. “This Christmas tree notion of having lots of
    different things in a package isn’t always ideal. So, there are some things in here that I think are helpful and relevant. Are we going to like all of them? I don’t know. I think that remains to be seen.”

    But as Mr. McCarthy gave more ground to the far-right group, it was becoming clear that the lower chamber of the 118th Congress would be highly difficult to control. And with hard-right lawmakers empowered to derail spending bills or call for the speaker
    s removal at any moment, some worried the chamber would be dysfunctional and paralyzed from the start.

    “The concessions he’s made means that it will be a minority of a minority of the minority, because of the Freedom Caucus, that will get to dictate the outcomes of legislative achievement,” said Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the
    top Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee. “The problem is for him that, with every concession, he has to wake up every day wondering if he’s still going to have his job. Because the smallest disagreement could lead to a motion from the body to
    remove him from the speakership.”

    The objections to Mr. McCarthy’s leadership were both personal and political. Some members deeply dislike him and say they would never vote for him under any circumstances. Others were using the speaker election as leverage to enact sweeping changes to
    the way the House functions. And some were seeking to do exactly what they say they were sent to Congress to do — tear it all down.

    Speaking against Mr. McCarthy on the House floor, Representative Matt Gaetz, Republican of Florida, portrayed him as someone who would do anything to cling to power. In effect, as Mr. McCarthy capitulated to the hard right, he was proving their point, Mr.
    Gaetz suggested.

    “Maybe the right person for the speaker of the House isn’t someone who has sold shares of himself for more than a decade to get it,” Mr. Gaetz said, criticizing Mr. McCarthy as “beholden to the lobbyists and special interest that have corrupted
    this place and corrupted this nation.”

    But mainstream Republicans were holding out hope they could end the rebellion, elect a speaker and get down to work — that the opening week of their party’s rule would be an aberration, not the norm.

    If the party could finally elect a speaker, they said, they could put the bitter fight behind them.

    “My No. 1 priority is getting McCarthy the gavel,” said Representative Guy Reschenthaler, Republican of Pennsylvania and a McCarthy ally. “He’s our best recruiter, best strategist. He’s our best fund-raiser. He picked up seats last cycle and
    picked up seats the cycle before that. We need to get him the gavel.”

    Representative Mike Gallagher, Republican of Wisconsin, said there would be no intraparty revenge tour should Mr. McCarthy prevail.

    “If we can get to work, I think that will heal a lot of wounds,” he said. ________________

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to risky biz on Sat Jan 14 11:35:08 2023
    On January 6, risky biz wrote:
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.'

    Marjorie Taylor Greene, in a recent speech regarding nazis in the FBI and
    IRS, called them "the gazpacho".

    I am now a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan. If she mated with Kanye, what
    would their offspring be like?


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    Rich

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to RichD on Sun Jan 15 10:53:20 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:35:12 AM UTC-8, RichD wrote:
    On January 6, risky biz wrote:
    Risky Biz, Oct 6, 2017 'Centrifugal tendencies in the Republican Party.'
    Marjorie Taylor Greene, in a recent speech regarding nazis in the FBI and IRS, called them "the gazpacho".


    ~ I am now a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan. If she mated with Kanye, what
    would their offspring be like?


    --
    Rich


    Kari Lake?

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