• Reviewing a cheap CRT degaussing wand

    From Rayner Lucas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 12 20:48:30 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing
    wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used
    ones come up for sale, and there are still some to be found in the US.
    However, in the UK they're near-unobtainable. The main source seems to
    be eBay sellers in China, all of whom are selling the same type: a wand-
    style degausser in a green plastic shell. So, having a couple of CRTs
    with purity problems, I bought one to see if it would do any good.

    The wand cost about 15 GBP and arrived within a couple of weeks. There
    was no documentation included, leaving me with just the specs given in
    the eBay listing, which read:
    -Relative magnetic field: 70MT
    -Load current: 1A
    -Working hours: 20 seconds
    -Power: 220V
    -Specifications: About 31*31*200(mm)

    The outer shell is some soft semi-translucent plastic (polythene?), and
    feels extremely cheap. A momentary switch pokes out of the top of the
    casing (a momentary switch is good, as it stops me accidentally leaving
    the coil energised).

    The wand came with a moulded two-prong plug, which I had to cut off to
    fit a UK plug. And... I have never seen mains cable that thin before. It
    is, at least, double insulated, but the conductors are at most 28AWG and possibly even thinner (it's hard to measure stranded cable, but the
    diameter is somewhere around 0.25mm to 0.35mm). The strain relief clamp
    in the UK plug wouldn't even hold the cable until I wrapped some extra
    plastic around it. Oof. Looking at the ampacity ratings on the Wikipedia article for American Wire Gauge, that cable must be very close to, if
    not exceeding, its recommended current rating. It feels worryingly
    plausible that someone, somewhere made the calculation "it's fine, if
    they push the button for too long the coil will burn out before the
    cable insulation melts".

    However, the tool does what it's supposed to and noticeably reduced the blotches visible on the CRT display. I used the standard technique of
    powering the coil from a couple of metres away, bringing it up to the
    CRT face, circling it around a couple of times, then smoothly backing
    away two or three metres before switching off again. I definitely
    recommend sticking to the stated maximum of 20 seconds continuous
    operation and letting the wand cool fully before using it again. The
    heat seems to take a few seconds to conduct to the outside of the
    casing, so it's not until after you've switched it off that you feel how
    warm it's really getting.

    I popped the end cap off the casing to take a look inside, but haven't disassembled it further. Strain relief is just a knot in the mains
    cable. I don't see any current limiting apart from the coil itself. The
    coil is wrapped around a core of steel plates, and seems to have some
    more plastic insulation around it. The non-business end of the coil
    seems to have some copper mesh shielding. Hooking the whole thing up to
    a component tester, coil resistance measures around 140 ohms, with an inductance of 320mH.

    In summary,

    Pros:
    - Cheap.
    - Does what it's supposed to.

    Cons:
    - Not particularly sturdy.
    - Probably not the safest thing ever, use with caution.

    If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy
    those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the functionality I needed.

    HTH,
    Rayner

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Rayner Lucas on Tue Jan 12 14:00:41 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2021/01/12 12:48 p.m., Rayner Lucas wrote:
    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used
    ...

    If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy
    those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the functionality I needed.

    HTH,
    Rayner


    I use a large Weller Soldering Gun when I can't find one of the
    degaussing coils in the shop...

    John :-#)#
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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 12 17:27:52 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    In article <fpmdnckH4tWUgWPCnZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    spam@flippers.com says...

    I use a large Weller Soldering Gun when I can't find one of the
    degaussing coils in the shop...




    I also used the Weller or what ever Gun I had handy on the old CRTs.

    Just about any coil of wire will work that does not draw too much
    current.

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  • From Rayner Lucas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 13 00:56:24 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    In article <MPG.3a67ec6b38b8737098a116@news.east.earthlink.net>, rmowery28146@earthlink.net says...

    In article <fpmdnckH4tWUgWPCnZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    spam@flippers.com says...

    I use a large Weller Soldering Gun when I can't find one of the
    degaussing coils in the shop...

    I also used the Weller or what ever Gun I had handy on the old CRTs.

    Just about any coil of wire will work that does not draw too much
    current.

    Oh, that's a neat idea, I never thought to try a heating coil. I did
    consider making my own, but with no idea what spec to aim for, buying
    one seemed like it had a better chance of success :-)

    Rayner

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Rayner Lucas on Wed Jan 13 12:48:24 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On 13/01/2021 7:48 am, Rayner Lucas wrote:
    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used
    ones come up for sale, and there are still some to be found in the US. However, in the UK they're near-unobtainable. The main source seems to
    be eBay sellers in China, all of whom are selling the same type: a wand- style degausser in a green plastic shell. So, having a couple of CRTs
    with purity problems, I bought one to see if it would do any good.

    The wand cost about 15 GBP and arrived within a couple of weeks. There
    was no documentation included, leaving me with just the specs given in
    the eBay listing, which read:
    -Relative magnetic field: 70MT
    -Load current: 1A
    -Working hours: 20 seconds
    -Power: 220V
    -Specifications: About 31*31*200(mm)

    The outer shell is some soft semi-translucent plastic (polythene?), and
    feels extremely cheap. A momentary switch pokes out of the top of the
    casing (a momentary switch is good, as it stops me accidentally leaving
    the coil energised).

    The wand came with a moulded two-prong plug, which I had to cut off to
    fit a UK plug. And... I have never seen mains cable that thin before. It
    is, at least, double insulated, but the conductors are at most 28AWG and possibly even thinner (it's hard to measure stranded cable, but the
    diameter is somewhere around 0.25mm to 0.35mm). The strain relief clamp
    in the UK plug wouldn't even hold the cable until I wrapped some extra plastic around it. Oof. Looking at the ampacity ratings on the Wikipedia article for American Wire Gauge, that cable must be very close to, if
    not exceeding, its recommended current rating. It feels worryingly
    plausible that someone, somewhere made the calculation "it's fine, if
    they push the button for too long the coil will burn out before the
    cable insulation melts".

    However, the tool does what it's supposed to and noticeably reduced the blotches visible on the CRT display. I used the standard technique of powering the coil from a couple of metres away, bringing it up to the
    CRT face, circling it around a couple of times, then smoothly backing
    away two or three metres before switching off again. I definitely
    recommend sticking to the stated maximum of 20 seconds continuous
    operation and letting the wand cool fully before using it again. The
    heat seems to take a few seconds to conduct to the outside of the
    casing, so it's not until after you've switched it off that you feel how
    warm it's really getting.

    I popped the end cap off the casing to take a look inside, but haven't disassembled it further. Strain relief is just a knot in the mains
    cable. I don't see any current limiting apart from the coil itself. The
    coil is wrapped around a core of steel plates, and seems to have some
    more plastic insulation around it. The non-business end of the coil
    seems to have some copper mesh shielding. Hooking the whole thing up to
    a component tester, coil resistance measures around 140 ohms, with an inductance of 320mH.

    In summary,

    Pros:
    - Cheap.
    - Does what it's supposed to.

    Cons:
    - Not particularly sturdy.
    - Probably not the safest thing ever, use with caution.

    If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy
    those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the functionality I needed.

    HTH,
    Rayner


    **I have always been an audio tech. I have always avoided TV work where possible. However, back in the day, I would frequently perform a CRT
    degauss, using my Han-D-Mag head demagnetiser. I found that it could
    deal with any degaussing requirement.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tape-head-demagnetiser-demagnetizer-Han-D-Mag-220-240V-/271234117484

    Geez, they're expensive nowadays. I still have mine.

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    www.rageaudio.com.au

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jan 12 22:50:05 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2021/01/12 5:48 p.m., Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 13/01/2021 7:48 am, Rayner Lucas wrote:
    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing
    wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used
    ...
    In summary,

    Pros:
    - Cheap.
    - Does what it's supposed to.

    Cons:
    - Not particularly sturdy.
    - Probably not the safest thing ever, use with caution.

    If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy
    those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the
    functionality I needed.

    HTH,
    Rayner


    **I have always been an audio tech. I have always avoided TV work where possible. However, back in the day, I would frequently perform a CRT
    degauss, using my Han-D-Mag head demagnetiser. I found that it could
    deal with any degaussing requirement.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tape-head-demagnetiser-demagnetizer-Han-D-Mag-220-240V-/271234117484


    Geez, they're expensive nowadays. I still have mine.


    A bit cheaper on this side of the pond:

    https://www.atrtape.com/products/han-d-mag

    John :-#)#

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    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Rayner Lucas on Tue Jan 12 22:47:00 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2021/01/12 4:56 p.m., Rayner Lucas wrote:
    In article <MPG.3a67ec6b38b8737098a116@news.east.earthlink.net>, rmowery28146@earthlink.net says...

    In article <fpmdnckH4tWUgWPCnZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    spam@flippers.com says...

    I use a large Weller Soldering Gun when I can't find one of the
    degaussing coils in the shop...

    I also used the Weller or what ever Gun I had handy on the old CRTs.

    Just about any coil of wire will work that does not draw too much
    current.

    Oh, that's a neat idea, I never thought to try a heating coil. I did
    consider making my own, but with no idea what spec to aim for, buying
    one seemed like it had a better chance of success :-)

    Rayner


    You need something that puts out a large AC field - like the unshielded transformer used in soldering guns.

    An electric heating coil has a very small magnetic field, I'd say it was
    most unlikely to be useful for degaussing...

    John :-#)#

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  • From Rayner Lucas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 13 08:05:24 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    In article <E6qdnUhTbNb5CmPCnZ2dnUU7-LPNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    spam@flippers.com says...

    You need something that puts out a large AC field - like the unshielded transformer used in soldering guns.

    An electric heating coil has a very small magnetic field, I'd say it was
    most unlikely to be useful for degaussing...

    Ah, thanks, I get it now! I don't have a soldering gun, but it would
    certainly have been a lot easier to find one for sale than a degaussing
    coil. Or I guess I could've looked around for something else with a
    transformer I could salvage.

    Rayner

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Wed Jan 13 19:21:30 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On 13/01/2021 5:50 pm, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2021/01/12 5:48 p.m., Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 13/01/2021 7:48 am, Rayner Lucas wrote:
    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing
    wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used
    ...
    In summary,

    Pros:
    - Cheap.
    - Does what it's supposed to.

    Cons:
    - Not particularly sturdy.
    - Probably not the safest thing ever, use with caution.

    If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy
    those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the
    functionality I needed.

    HTH,
    Rayner


    **I have always been an audio tech. I have always avoided TV work
    where possible. However, back in the day, I would frequently perform a
    CRT degauss, using my Han-D-Mag head demagnetiser. I found that it
    could deal with any degaussing requirement.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tape-head-demagnetiser-demagnetizer-Han-D-Mag-220-240V-/271234117484


    Geez, they're expensive nowadays. I still have mine.


    A bit cheaper on this side of the pond:

    https://www.atrtape.com/products/han-d-mag

    John :-#)#


    **That's more like it.

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  • From Rob@21:1/5 to Rayner Lucas on Sun Jan 17 18:26:21 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    Rayner Lucas <usenet202101@magic-cookie.co.ukNOSPAMPLEASE> wrote:
    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other
    repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

    CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days.

    Small wonder, as hardly anyone uses a CRT these days...
    Normally when a CRT TV needs some form of repair, it will join its
    fellows in the recycling bin.

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  • From Mike Garcia@21:1/5 to Rayner Lucas on Fri Jan 22 07:14:26 2021
    XPost: sci.electronics.repair

    On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:48:30 +0000, Rayner Lucas wrote:

    Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing

    Nice post!
    Good to know!


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