• "Sour" starter

    From lulutaylor3@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 18 20:57:48 2016
    On Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 10:47:05 PM UTC+2, Mr Maj6th wrote:
    I contacted one of the best chefs I ever worked with, to tell me how
    to get a "sour" starter. He is German, but he now works at a four
    star hotel in India as the executive chef. His name is Willy Hauter;
    he is a specialist in breads, and spun sugar decoration. Give him the credit, not me.

    This was his reply:

    Okay, this Is the procedure. You start with simple dough.

    450 G. BAKING FLOUR
    225 G. BEER (use German wheat, naturally fermented like An Endanger
    Weiss bier
    mix this and cover with a wet towel.

    Keep it for 24 hours,
    day 2, cut the dough in half and throw it out, and replace it with :
    225 G. BAKING FLOUR
    112 G. BEER
    Continue procedure for 10 to 12 days

    After 10-14 days, depending on the area, weather etc. your sour should
    be fermenting nicely.
    Make sure you cover it for the first 5 days with a wet towel,
    afterwards, with plastic.

    When finished, after measuring sour, use sourdough calculator to get
    flour, salt,etc.
    (this calculator is available at: samartha.net)

    Work this dough well with your hands; Do not use a kitchenette or
    other small machine as it will destroy the gluten with the sour.
    Once you have the dough smooth, bench proof it for about an hour.
    Then cut it in half, take one half and place it in a bowl. Add 250
    GR.WATER, cover with plastic foil and place this in the fridge. This
    will be your daily sour.
    You will always use the same recipe; 500gr.HIGH GLUTEN FLOUR AND 250
    gr.. WATER, 20 GR. SALT. ALWAYS use HALF IN THE FRIDGE AND WITH THE
    OTHER HALF YOU WILL BE MAKING THE BREAD.
    This recipe will give you one nice loaf of bread. Mold the bread in
    long shape, like half of a French bread size.
    Place this on an oiled pan, cover with a plastic, and place in the
    fridge overnight. The next day bake it and enjoy. The bread will get
    better and better.

    1 pound = 453.59237 grams

    Maj6th

    Samantha.net seems to no longer exist. I am very interested in this German Beer Starter recipe but do not know how to calculate the sourness and for what reason I am calculating it. If anyone could advise I would be very grateful.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to lulutaylor3@gmail.com on Mon Dec 19 10:58:53 2016
    On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:48 -0800 (PST), lulutaylor3@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 10:47:05 PM UTC+2, Mr Maj6th wrote:
    I contacted one of the best chefs I ever worked with, to tell me how
    to get a "sour" starter. He is German, but he now works at a four
    star hotel in India as the executive chef. His name is Willy Hauter;
    he is a specialist in breads, and spun sugar decoration. Give him the
    credit, not me.


    Hum --- over 5 years old. A mere blink if you consider how
    long sourdough has been around.
    This was his reply:

    Okay, this Is the procedure. You start with simple dough.

    450 G. BAKING FLOUR
    225 G. BEER (use German wheat, naturally fermented like An Endanger
    Weiss bier
    mix this and cover with a wet towel.

    Keep it for 24 hours,
    day 2, cut the dough in half and throw it out, and replace it with :
    225 G. BAKING FLOUR
    112 G. BEER
    Continue procedure for 10 to 12 days

    After 10-14 days, depending on the area, weather etc. your sour should
    be fermenting nicely.
    Make sure you cover it for the first 5 days with a wet towel,
    afterwards, with plastic.

    When finished, after measuring sour, use sourdough calculator to get
    flour, salt,etc.
    (this calculator is available at: samartha.net)

    Work this dough well with your hands; Do not use a kitchenette or
    other small machine as it will destroy the gluten with the sour.
    Once you have the dough smooth, bench proof it for about an hour.
    Then cut it in half, take one half and place it in a bowl. Add 250
    GR.WATER, cover with plastic foil and place this in the fridge. This
    will be your daily sour.
    You will always use the same recipe; 500gr.HIGH GLUTEN FLOUR AND 250
    gr.. WATER, 20 GR. SALT. ALWAYS use HALF IN THE FRIDGE AND WITH THE
    OTHER HALF YOU WILL BE MAKING THE BREAD.
    This recipe will give you one nice loaf of bread. Mold the bread in
    long shape, like half of a French bread size.
    Place this on an oiled pan, cover with a plastic, and place in the
    fridge overnight. The next day bake it and enjoy. The bread will get
    better and better.

    1 pound = 453.59237 grams

    Maj6th

    Samantha.net seems to no longer exist. I am very interested in this German Beer Starter recipe but do not know how to calculate the sourness and for what reason I am calculating it. If anyone could advise I would be very grateful.

    It exists.

    canonical name samartha.net
    address 161.97.219.38

    Creation Date: 06-jan-2001
    Expiration Date: 06-jan-2018

    Let's hope he's just updating the site.

    Meanwhile, use wayback

    https://web.archive.org/web/*/samartha.net

    As to the starter, just taste the hooch (the liquid that forms
    on top), or add a few drops to bicarbonate. It should froth.
    I'd forget the beer recipe. Any sourdough starter become as
    sour as it can, then the acidity starts killing off the microbes, so
    they become dormant. It kills the non-sourdough microbes first, which
    is why you allow a starter to become dormant to "clean" it.
    IOW, all real sourdough starters ARE sour.
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  • From Robert Zaleski@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 19 19:27:41 2016
    Awesome site.

    You'll do the 225 / 112 forever. Generally you want enough you can bake with, but not too much as if you don't bake you have to toss it. Seems like a lot of beer to throw at a starter, but I guess the yeast must be good.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to rlzaleski@gmail.com on Wed Dec 21 11:48:45 2016
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Robert Zaleski
    <rlzaleski@gmail.com> wrote:

    Awesome site.

    You'll do the 225 / 112 forever. Generally you want enough you can bake with, >but not too much as if you don't bake you have to toss it. Seems like a lot of
    beer to throw at a starter, but I guess the yeast must be good.

    I have no idea what site you are referring to. Please share.
    TIA
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  • From Robert Zaleski@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 17:41:44 2016
    The samartha.net was what I was referring to that was mentioned above. You have to use https://web.archive.org/web/*/samartha.net to see.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to rlzaleski@gmail.com on Thu Dec 22 13:00:45 2016
    On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:41:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Zaleski
    <rlzaleski@gmail.com> wrote:


    The samartha.net was what I was referring to that was mentioned above.
    You have to use https://web.archive.org/web/*/samartha.net to see.

    Oh, YW.
    I posted that.
    Please include the message you are replying to, with quotes,
    it's the norm in Usenet. A decent client will do that automatically.
    Use Forte Agent (I think version 3.3 is still freeware) or
    Thunderbird (cross-platform).
    Free "anonymous" news server:
    http://news.aioe.org/index.php?id=quickstart-guide
    HTH
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