• Bread in the machine

    From George Shirley@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 12:57:29 2017
    I have gone back to making my own bread, the store bought stuff is not
    very tasty and seems to have more chemicals than flour, etc. Today I'm
    making a bread with whole wheat flour, regular flour, and corn meal.
    Have made many times before and we have always like it. Problem is that
    that recipe takes four hours in the bread machine. So, we will have to
    wait and it really smells good when baking. Even the dog sniffs around
    for something good.

    We woke up to 60F this morning and it is now warming up again. That's
    the truth about Houston area is that, it might rain, the sun might
    shine, it might be cloudy, etc. We never pay attention to the weather
    heads on tv because they're not in my back yard. Generalities in Harris
    County don't work, very large county with a very large population, and,
    at any time, any day, or night, it might, maybe rain or not. The weather
    folk get tripped up a lot.

    Right now we could use the rain, not another hurricane, tornado, for
    flood, just some nice rain to get our fall garden going without having
    to water every other day. I'm teaching the dog an American Indian rain
    dance but she hasn't really gotten into it other than watching me
    jumping around in my breech clout and that ain't purty.

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  • From Wayne Boatwright@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 05:15:33 2017
    On Mon 16 Oct 2017 10:57:29a, George Shirley told us...

    I have gone back to making my own bread, the store bought stuff is
    not very tasty and seems to have more chemicals than flour, etc.
    Today I'm making a bread with whole wheat flour, regular flour,
    and corn meal. Have made many times before and we have always like
    it. Problem is that that recipe takes four hours in the bread
    machine. So, we will have to wait and it really smells good when
    baking. Even the dog sniffs around for something good.

    We woke up to 60F this morning and it is now warming up again.
    That's the truth about Houston area is that, it might rain, the
    sun might shine, it might be cloudy, etc. We never pay attention
    to the weather heads on tv because they're not in my back yard.
    Generalities in Harris County don't work, very large county with a
    very large population, and, at any time, any day, or night, it
    might, maybe rain or not. The weather folk get tripped up a lot.

    Right now we could use the rain, not another hurricane, tornado,
    for flood, just some nice rain to get our fall garden going
    without having to water every other day. I'm teaching the dog an
    American Indian rain dance but she hasn't really gotten into it
    other than watching me jumping around in my breech clout and that
    ain't purty.


    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a variety of rye
    breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel, sometimes with raisins.

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    **********************************************************

    Wayne Boatwright

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Wayne Boatwright on Wed Oct 18 08:39:42 2017
    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a variety of rye
    breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel, sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

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  • From George Shirley@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Oct 18 07:54:58 2017
    On 10/18/2017 7:39 AM, songbird wrote:
    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a variety of rye
    breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel, sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

    I generally make breads with a few different flours, latest is white,
    brown, etc. all mixed together. I have a nice bread book given by my
    wife years ago and a couple of others that I bought. We like
    multi-flours that may be a little chewy but have good flavors. I quit
    white bread, the gummy, bought at the store when I discovered all the
    good flours that make a REAL bread. Got off that for a few years due to
    being to lazy to make my own. Now I've started again. Need to look for a
    new bread stand for slicing, the old one collapsed on me. Slicing on a
    cutting board at the moment but I end up with odd looking slices of
    bread. <G> I may have to try the sauerkraut to see what it tastes like.
    Latest loaf was white, brown, flours and cornmeal, that one is a favorite.

    George

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  • From George Shirley@21:1/5 to Wayne Boatwright on Wed Oct 18 07:45:47 2017
    On 10/18/2017 12:15 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    On Mon 16 Oct 2017 10:57:29a, George Shirley told us...

    I have gone back to making my own bread, the store bought stuff is
    not very tasty and seems to have more chemicals than flour, etc.
    Today I'm making a bread with whole wheat flour, regular flour,
    and corn meal. Have made many times before and we have always like
    it. Problem is that that recipe takes four hours in the bread
    machine. So, we will have to wait and it really smells good when
    baking. Even the dog sniffs around for something good.

    We woke up to 60F this morning and it is now warming up again.
    That's the truth about Houston area is that, it might rain, the
    sun might shine, it might be cloudy, etc. We never pay attention
    to the weather heads on tv because they're not in my back yard.
    Generalities in Harris County don't work, very large county with a
    very large population, and, at any time, any day, or night, it
    might, maybe rain or not. The weather folk get tripped up a lot.

    Right now we could use the rain, not another hurricane, tornado,
    for flood, just some nice rain to get our fall garden going
    without having to water every other day. I'm teaching the dog an
    American Indian rain dance but she hasn't really gotten into it
    other than watching me jumping around in my breech clout and that
    ain't purty.


    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a variety of rye
    breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel, sometimes with raisins.

    I, too, have a KitchenAid but seldom use it for bread as I can just dump
    all the ingredients into the pan and walk away. Have had the bread
    machine for a good many years and it makes bread easier than I can. <G>

    Woke up in the middle of the night and had to toss a blanket over the
    afghan I usually sleep under. Woke up to temps in the high fifties, I
    guess what passes for winter is coming on. I despise cold weather, Texas
    boy born and bred, first saw REAL cold weather in the Eastern Coast at
    17 in the Navy. Still don't like cold weather but I'm not moving to
    Mexico, maybe Costa Rico, liked the weather there and the ability to go
    fishing every day and some really good tequila. Oh, that's right, I'm so
    old the docs don't want me to drink alcohol due to diabetes, wife
    doesn't want it as I get rowdy when under the booze, and I get sick now
    if I drink the good stuff. Seems that the older you get the more stuff
    you're not supposed to do. They still let me drive though, have been in
    two wrecks, neither was my fault, and I got a new car each time at no
    cost. Nowadays my big day is when we got shopping for groceries and I
    get to ride in the electric cart. <VBG> I hate cold weather.

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  • From Nyssa@21:1/5 to George Shirley on Wed Oct 18 10:15:54 2017
    George Shirley wrote:

    On 10/18/2017 7:39 AM, songbird wrote:
    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every
    couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let
    do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make
    white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a
    variety of rye breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel,
    sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

    I generally make breads with a few different flours,
    latest is white, brown, etc. all mixed together. I have a
    nice bread book given by my wife years ago and a couple of
    others that I bought. We like multi-flours that may be a
    little chewy but have good flavors. I quit white bread,
    the gummy, bought at the store when I discovered all the
    good flours that make a REAL bread. Got off that for a few
    years due to being to lazy to make my own. Now I've
    started again. Need to look for a new bread stand for
    slicing, the old one collapsed on me. Slicing on a cutting
    board at the moment but I end up with odd looking slices
    of bread. <G> I may have to try the sauerkraut to see what
    it tastes like. Latest loaf was white, brown, flours and
    cornmeal, that one is a favorite.

    George

    I've been making all of my own baked goods including breads
    by hand for years. If I'm going to eat the calories, they
    may as well be from the good stuff instead of the stuff the
    corporate bakeries call bread. Besides kneading by hand is
    both a good upper body workout and a way to work out your
    frustrations on that poor, innocent bread dough.

    I scoffed at bread machines until I was given an offer I
    couldn't refuse about a year or so ago. A new Oster machine
    for $25. I've found it to be handy, especially in the summer
    months when it's simply too hot to consider turning on the
    stove. It's also nice for a quick (well 3.5 hours) loaf of
    bread that I don't have to hang around and punch down, form
    into loaves, etc. when I'm busy doing other stuff.

    Last week I picked up a bread machine cookbook at a Friends
    of Library booksale down in the Big City. I've already
    marked a few to try including a maple buttermilk loaf.

    Cooler weather means more baking.

    First I have to clear out the mess the vegetable garden
    became after being attacked repeatedly by a gaggle of
    deer who thought it was an all-you-can-eat buffet and
    chewed down everything to nubs. Out of 10 tomato plants
    I got nothing and only six cukes before Bambi wiped out
    the plants. No green beans either. Another gardening
    year wasted and nothing to freeze, dehydrate, or can.

    Nyssa, who will be living on homemade bread instead of
    homegrown vegetables this winter

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  • From George Shirley@21:1/5 to Nyssa on Wed Oct 18 10:25:16 2017
    On 10/18/2017 9:15 AM, Nyssa wrote:
    George Shirley wrote:

    On 10/18/2017 7:39 AM, songbird wrote:
    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every
    couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let
    do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make
    white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a
    variety of rye breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel,
    sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

    I generally make breads with a few different flours,
    latest is white, brown, etc. all mixed together. I have a
    nice bread book given by my wife years ago and a couple of
    others that I bought. We like multi-flours that may be a
    little chewy but have good flavors. I quit white bread,
    the gummy, bought at the store when I discovered all the
    good flours that make a REAL bread. Got off that for a few
    years due to being to lazy to make my own. Now I've
    started again. Need to look for a new bread stand for
    slicing, the old one collapsed on me. Slicing on a cutting
    board at the moment but I end up with odd looking slices
    of bread. <G> I may have to try the sauerkraut to see what
    it tastes like. Latest loaf was white, brown, flours and
    cornmeal, that one is a favorite.

    George

    I've been making all of my own baked goods including breads
    by hand for years. If I'm going to eat the calories, they
    may as well be from the good stuff instead of the stuff the
    corporate bakeries call bread. Besides kneading by hand is
    both a good upper body workout and a way to work out your
    frustrations on that poor, innocent bread dough.

    I scoffed at bread machines until I was given an offer I
    couldn't refuse about a year or so ago. A new Oster machine
    for $25. I've found it to be handy, especially in the summer
    months when it's simply too hot to consider turning on the
    stove. It's also nice for a quick (well 3.5 hours) loaf of
    bread that I don't have to hang around and punch down, form
    into loaves, etc. when I'm busy doing other stuff.

    Last week I picked up a bread machine cookbook at a Friends
    of Library booksale down in the Big City. I've already
    marked a few to try including a maple buttermilk loaf.

    Cooler weather means more baking.

    First I have to clear out the mess the vegetable garden
    became after being attacked repeatedly by a gaggle of
    deer who thought it was an all-you-can-eat buffet and
    chewed down everything to nubs. Out of 10 tomato plants
    I got nothing and only six cukes before Bambi wiped out
    the plants. No green beans either. Another gardening
    year wasted and nothing to freeze, dehydrate, or can.

    Nyssa, who will be living on homemade bread instead of
    homegrown vegetables this winter

    We have deer that bed down for the night behind our six foot wooden
    fence. I have been contemplating doing one or two at night during the
    deer season, which is now on. Texas allows six does and a buck if I
    remember correctly. That would go a long way toward stuffing both
    freezers with free meat plus peddling the hides to a local taxidermist
    for a few bucks. Texas is literally ate up with white tail deer as so
    many folks from other states have settled here and just love to watch
    the little darlings eat their gardens. Being a Native of this state I
    would rather eat the deer than have them eat our flowers, garden
    goodies, tree limbs, and anything else that they can munch on.

    I used to hunt during the bow season with a cross bow, much easier for
    me to use than a regular bow. Then go into the rifle season and back
    then you could only shoot two bucks, no does, now we're overrun by deer
    because of that method of hunting. All the refugees from California and
    other states just think they're just pretty little critters to admire.
    We natives tend to see them as chops, roasts, burger meat, etc. plus a
    few bucks from the hide. I used to sell the heads of bucks to various taxidermist's because you can't eat the horns.

    Nowadays I don't hunt much because getting a lease for the season starts
    at around $1000 and the open state parks are eat up with folks that
    should have never been sold a weapon. One of my grandson's has a
    relative by marriage who has 100 acres not far away so the grandson
    brings his poor old granpa some meat occasionally. <G>

    George

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  • From Wayne Boatwright@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 16:21:39 2017
    On Wed 18 Oct 2017 05:39:42a, songbird told us...

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I let do most
    of the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make white
    bread except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a
    variety of rye breads, as well as a genuine pumpernikel,
    sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

    Good choices!

    --

    ~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

    ~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

    **********************************************************

    Wayne Boatwright

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  • From Nyssa@21:1/5 to George Shirley on Wed Oct 18 16:18:56 2017
    George Shirley wrote:

    On 10/18/2017 9:15 AM, Nyssa wrote:
    George Shirley wrote:

    On 10/18/2017 7:39 AM, songbird wrote:
    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    ...
    I don't have a bread machine but I do make bread every
    couple of
    weeks or so. I have a KitchenAid stand mixer that I
    let do most of
    the kneading except for the last knead. I rarely make
    white bread
    except for French style baguettes. My favorites are a
    variety of rye breads, as well as a genuine
    pumpernikel, sometimes with raisins.

    i've put saurkraut in it. didn't really notice
    the flavor but the bread was nice and moist.

    i used to have a bread machine until it burned
    out. used it mostly to make pizza bread doughs
    of various kinds (through the first knead and rise).

    Mom makes bread by hand a few times a month.
    plain unbleached flour, cracked wheat. yum. :)

    love pumperknickle or rye, especially for
    grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.


    songbird

    I generally make breads with a few different flours,
    latest is white, brown, etc. all mixed together. I have
    a nice bread book given by my wife years ago and a
    couple of others that I bought. We like multi-flours
    that may be a little chewy but have good flavors. I quit
    white bread, the gummy, bought at the store when I
    discovered all the good flours that make a REAL bread.
    Got off that for a few years due to being to lazy to
    make my own. Now I've started again. Need to look for a
    new bread stand for slicing, the old one collapsed on
    me. Slicing on a cutting board at the moment but I end
    up with odd looking slices of bread. <G> I may have to
    try the sauerkraut to see what it tastes like. Latest
    loaf was white, brown, flours and cornmeal, that one is
    a favorite.

    George

    I've been making all of my own baked goods including
    breads by hand for years. If I'm going to eat the
    calories, they may as well be from the good stuff instead
    of the stuff the corporate bakeries call bread. Besides
    kneading by hand is both a good upper body workout and a
    way to work out your frustrations on that poor, innocent
    bread dough.

    I scoffed at bread machines until I was given an offer I
    couldn't refuse about a year or so ago. A new Oster
    machine for $25. I've found it to be handy, especially in
    the summer months when it's simply too hot to consider
    turning on the stove. It's also nice for a quick (well
    3.5 hours) loaf of bread that I don't have to hang around
    and punch down, form into loaves, etc. when I'm busy
    doing other stuff.

    Last week I picked up a bread machine cookbook at a
    Friends of Library booksale down in the Big City. I've
    already marked a few to try including a maple buttermilk
    loaf.

    Cooler weather means more baking.

    First I have to clear out the mess the vegetable garden
    became after being attacked repeatedly by a gaggle of
    deer who thought it was an all-you-can-eat buffet and
    chewed down everything to nubs. Out of 10 tomato plants
    I got nothing and only six cukes before Bambi wiped out
    the plants. No green beans either. Another gardening
    year wasted and nothing to freeze, dehydrate, or can.

    Nyssa, who will be living on homemade bread instead of
    homegrown vegetables this winter

    We have deer that bed down for the night behind our six
    foot wooden fence. I have been contemplating doing one or
    two at night during the deer season, which is now on.
    Texas allows six does and a buck if I remember correctly.
    That would go a long way toward stuffing both freezers
    with free meat plus peddling the hides to a local
    taxidermist for a few bucks. Texas is literally ate up
    with white tail deer as so many folks from other states
    have settled here and just love to watch the little
    darlings eat their gardens. Being a Native of this state I
    would rather eat the deer than have them eat our flowers,
    garden goodies, tree limbs, and anything else that they
    can munch on.

    I used to hunt during the bow season with a cross bow,
    much easier for me to use than a regular bow. Then go into
    the rifle season and back then you could only shoot two
    bucks, no does, now we're overrun by deer because of that
    method of hunting. All the refugees from California and
    other states just think they're just pretty little
    critters to admire. We natives tend to see them as chops,
    roasts, burger meat, etc. plus a few bucks from the hide.
    I used to sell the heads of bucks to various taxidermist's
    because you can't eat the horns.

    Nowadays I don't hunt much because getting a lease for the
    season starts at around $1000 and the open state parks are
    eat up with folks that should have never been sold a
    weapon. One of my grandson's has a relative by marriage
    who has 100 acres not far away so the grandson brings his
    poor old granpa some meat occasionally. <G>

    George

    This is very OT, but since you like to read a lot, George,
    you may enjoy a mystery series called Blanco County Mysteries
    set in a mythical county near Austin with a game warden as
    the main character. Author is Ben Rehder. They're good mysteries
    and very funny too and have a lot of the action around
    hunters and some of the silly things some of them do.

    Next time you wander into the library check 'em out. First
    in the series is "Buck Fever."

    Nyssa, who has really enjoyed the series and still has three
    more left to read

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