OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to
grocery store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store;
no dice. Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that
are listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden
Harvest. Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

Mark

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pheasant16 wrote:

OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to
grocery store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store;
no dice. Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that
are listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden
Harvest. Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

i'm still about. not much going on this group lately.

i have no experience with those particular brand name lids.
i went and took a look for them and found one web-site just
to see what they were.

here is a link with a description and it does say it should
be ok for high temperature and use with jams so i think they
would work for BWB canning. stainless steel would likely
mean these lids could be reused even if that is not generally
recommended in canning.

https://gistgear.com/product/B08HLWTQF6

that's a pretty high price for 48 lids, but the stainless
steel is different from the cheaper version normally used from
Ball or Kerr or the Wallyworld brand Mainstays.

no idea where they are at or the shipping.

we've been keeping an eye out at the stores for lids and
we did get lucky this past fall after our Wallyworld store
restocked the shelves, but they are not on the shelves
often or for long.

i just checked our local Meijers store and they have
jars and even some wide mouth lids with bands but no plain
lids only. in a pinch for us to buy more jars isn't a
problem. we got lucky right in the middle of harvest
season this past late summer when i was able to get four
cases of 64oz jars and another four cases of widemouth
jars. all of those got used up in one week and then we
were able to get a few more cases from other people for
the odds and ends. we put up about 300 quarts of
tomatoes so it was a pretty busy season.

sorry this isn't much help... all i can say is keep
looking.


songbird

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On 12/14/2020 4:17 PM, songbird wrote:

here is a link with a description and it does say it should
be ok for high temperature and use with jams so i think they
would work for BWB canning. stainless steel would likely
mean these lids could be reused even if that is not generally
recommended in canning.

https://gistgear.com/product/B08HLWTQF6

that's a pretty high price for 48 lids, but the stainless
steel is different from the cheaper version normally used from
Ball or Kerr or the Wallyworld brand Mainstays.

songbird

Yeah, not excited about an unknown factor when going through the work of canning. Think I'm going to keep looking until someone that has
experience with them will vouch for them.

Thanks

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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:27:45 -0600, pheasant16 <kiavan02@yahoo.com>
wrote:

OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to
grocery store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store;
no dice. Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that
are listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden
Harvest. Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

I'm still around. I know nothing from nothing about jar lids.

I saved the brag-label from one of my boxes of lids: "New & Improved/SureTight(TM) Lids/Helps Keep Canned Food Sealed/NOW up to/18
MONTHS."

If any jar Mom put up in the forties were still around, it would still
be sealed.

Recently I opened a jar of pickles I put up in August of last year,
and the sealant on the lid was all bubbly.

Fortunately, all I ever put up these days is bread-and-butter pickles,
and I keep them in the spare fridge, so they don't have to be honestly
sealed.


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Joy Beeson wrote:
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I'm still around. I know nothing from nothing about jar lids.

I saved the brag-label from one of my boxes of lids: "New & Improved/SureTight(TM) Lids/Helps Keep Canned Food Sealed/NOW up to/18 MONTHS."

i'm pretty sure that's just a marketing thing as i didn't
notice any real difference between the new and the lids i
had from before.

If any jar Mom put up in the forties were still around, it would still
be sealed.

yeah, but there's a good chance you'd not want to
eat it (unless it was dry goods or similar).

Recently I opened a jar of pickles I put up in August of last year,
and the sealant on the lid was all bubbly.

i've not noticed anything like that, but i'll keep an
eye out.

Fortunately, all I ever put up these days is bread-and-butter pickles,
and I keep them in the spare fridge, so they don't have to be honestly sealed.

i made a case of pints of those for Mom to use in some
cooking she does and that was two years ago now and she's
not used a single jar yet. now that it is the colder
part of the year she'll be cooking more so i will have to
remind her to get that recipe out. it is a kind of meat-
ball with sweet and sour sauce.


songbird

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On 12/14/2020 8:27 AM, pheasant16 wrote:

OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to grocery store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store; no dice. Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that are listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden Harvest. Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

Mark

Well, this problem has persisted. Almost no lids without buying jars since summer canning season. The first I found, which came with rings I didn't
need, were produced by 'Pur' from China. Very flimsy, bent easily when
removed after sealing and had very little sealing 'rubber.' I don't use the lids over for canning, but with dried items, I do sometimes and use my FoodSaver to vacuum seal dry goods. But, even slightly bent won't work.

Not into Amazon or hoarding, but I will being buying a case of Ball or Kerr
if ever I get a chance again. ;)

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Wilson wrote:
...

Well, this problem has persisted. Almost no lids without buying jars since summer canning season. The first I found, which came with rings I didn't need, were produced by 'Pur' from China. Very flimsy, bent easily when removed after sealing and had very little sealing 'rubber.' I don't use the lids over for canning, but with dried items, I do sometimes and use my FoodSaver to vacuum seal dry goods. But, even slightly bent won't work.

Not into Amazon or hoarding, but I will being buying a case of Ball or Kerr if ever I get a chance again. ;)

they've been in supply off and on all year for us. right
now i can probably come up with some if needed but we do
have a supply on hand so no need for us to get more.

rumor has it that they will be back more in supply starting
in the spring of 2022. we'll see...

one thing that people do not see recommended but that many
people do is that they will reuse lids. we do that here too
as sometimes a lid has hardly any visible change to it other
than the sealant being a bit disformed, but if you use a
clean jar with a good rim that should seal up again. i've
done this for high acid items and they've sealed a second
time with no failures at all (several hundred quarts).

of course this is at your own risk and potentially some
may fail, but if you stick to higher acid items i think you'll
be fairly safe and then if something doesn't seal you can put
it in the fridge and use it up right away or reprocess with
another lid and try again. to me that's not likely to happen,
we'll just use it up.

the other thing to consider is how expensive the items are
that you're canning. if they're bulk and relatively low
value then you can risk a used lid if you must and don't
have any other options and that ways you can use the new
lids you might have for the higher value items.

we also save good condition used lids for use for things
we put in the freezer (i always prefer things frozen in
glass over plastic - but there are things you must do
right when using glass in the freezer and sometimes even
if you do it right you still might crack a jar here or
there).

so, erm, where was i? :) rambly mood this evening. :)
good luck!


songbird

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:50:02 -0500, Wilson <nowhere@nearyou.com>
wrote:

On 12/14/2020 8:27 AM, pheasant16 wrote:

OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to grocery
store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store; no dice.
Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that are >> listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden Harvest. >> Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

Mark

Well, this problem has persisted. Almost no lids without buying jars since >summer canning season. The first I found, which came with rings I didn't >need, were produced by 'Pur' from China. Very flimsy, bent easily when >removed after sealing and had very little sealing 'rubber.' I don't use the >lids over for canning, but with dried items, I do sometimes and use my >FoodSaver to vacuum seal dry goods. But, even slightly bent won't work.

Not into Amazon or hoarding, but I will being buying a case of Ball or Kerr >if ever I get a chance again. ;)

I am wary of any new brands for canning items and certainly understand
that concern.

I wonder if you aren't in some regional bubble? We've plenty of Ball
in the markets here in NNJ and larger box stores either have them on
the shelves of will ship to one of their stores near you for you to
pick up. The groceries tend to keep only the smallest of supplies near
this time of year. Holiday goods seem to take over the shelves.

I do not consider myself a lid hoarder, but almost always have a few
dozen lids around just in case I want to put something up
unexpectedly. Next week that will be kumquat marmalade as a tree that
I keep out on the deck for the summer, but bring in to overwinter has
decided to ripen fruit like crazy. Nice to have everything here
already.

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On 11/23/2021 6:46 PM, songbird wrote:

Wilson wrote:
...

Well, this problem has persisted. Almost no lids without buying jars since >> summer canning season. The first I found, which came with rings I didn't
need, were produced by 'Pur' from China. Very flimsy, bent easily when
removed after sealing and had very little sealing 'rubber.' I don't use the >> lids over for canning, but with dried items, I do sometimes and use my
FoodSaver to vacuum seal dry goods. But, even slightly bent won't work.

Not into Amazon or hoarding, but I will being buying a case of Ball or Kerr >> if ever I get a chance again. ;)

they've been in supply off and on all year for us. right
now i can probably come up with some if needed but we do
have a supply on hand so no need for us to get more.

rumor has it that they will be back more in supply starting
in the spring of 2022. we'll see...

one thing that people do not see recommended but that many
people do is that they will reuse lids. we do that here too
as sometimes a lid has hardly any visible change to it other
than the sealant being a bit disformed, but if you use a
clean jar with a good rim that should seal up again. i've
done this for high acid items and they've sealed a second
time with no failures at all (several hundred quarts).

of course this is at your own risk and potentially some
may fail, but if you stick to higher acid items i think you'll
be fairly safe and then if something doesn't seal you can put
it in the fridge and use it up right away or reprocess with
another lid and try again. to me that's not likely to happen,
we'll just use it up.

the other thing to consider is how expensive the items are
that you're canning. if they're bulk and relatively low
value then you can risk a used lid if you must and don't
have any other options and that ways you can use the new
lids you might have for the higher value items.

we also save good condition used lids for use for things
we put in the freezer (i always prefer things frozen in
glass over plastic - but there are things you must do
right when using glass in the freezer and sometimes even
if you do it right you still might crack a jar here or
there).

so, erm, where was i? :) rambly mood this evening. :)
good luck!

songbird

Thanks. We do a lot of re-purposing ourselves. Just like fresh new ones when
we pressure cook or give gifts.

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On 11/24/2021 9:00 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:50:02 -0500, Wilson <nowhere@nearyou.com>
wrote:

On 12/14/2020 8:27 AM, pheasant16 wrote:

OK Gang....... Anyone still lurk now that George has passed?

Got caught last summer with pants down, middle of tomatoes ran to grocery >>> store to buy lids; no dice. Hardware store; no dice, farm store; no dice. >>> Throw 'em in the freezer.
Find a few boxes on the internet, a buck a copy. Oh well have a few.

Shopping for Christmas decided to look again; finding lots of lids that are >>> listed as canning, but only address uses that don't involve heat.

Have names I've never heard before, not Ball, Kerr, Jarden, Golden Harvest. >>> Names like COOOFO.

Are these true canning lids or just meant for storage?

Mark

Well, this problem has persisted. Almost no lids without buying jars since >> summer canning season. The first I found, which came with rings I didn't
need, were produced by 'Pur' from China. Very flimsy, bent easily when
removed after sealing and had very little sealing 'rubber.' I don't use the >> lids over for canning, but with dried items, I do sometimes and use my
FoodSaver to vacuum seal dry goods. But, even slightly bent won't work.

Not into Amazon or hoarding, but I will being buying a case of Ball or Kerr >> if ever I get a chance again. ;)

I am wary of any new brands for canning items and certainly understand
that concern.

I wonder if you aren't in some regional bubble? We've plenty of Ball
in the markets here in NNJ and larger box stores either have them on
the shelves of will ship to one of their stores near you for you to
pick up. The groceries tend to keep only the smallest of supplies near
this time of year. Holiday goods seem to take over the shelves.

I do not consider myself a lid hoarder, but almost always have a few
dozen lids around just in case I want to put something up
unexpectedly. Next week that will be kumquat marmalade as a tree that
I keep out on the deck for the summer, but bring in to overwinter has
decided to ripen fruit like crazy. Nice to have everything here
already.

Thanks. In eastern Maine, we are sort of at the end of the line and it could also have something to do with our Canadian border too. We'll survive and
this year's canning is just about done anyway. Just sharing the pain. ;)

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