• A Dataw Dinner Menu (it's been a while!)

    From jmcquown@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 23 10:50:06 2024
    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    For anyone who has ever made (or eaten) authentic seafood gumbo, at what
    point do you "char" the okra? (FYI the answer is "never".)

    Where the rice comes from doesn't matter (South Carolina used to be a
    huge producer of rice; I'll grant them that). But they make the Holy
    Trinity sound like something special - it's just diced onions, green
    bell pepper and celery, sauteed.

    You don't *smoke* a roux, you cook it low and slow, stirring constantly,
    until it is very dark. Lobster broth? Crispy onions? Nope. Grouper
    bits? What? Where's the shrimp? Boudin sausage does not belong in
    this dish, either.

    My 2 cents.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 23 12:45:14 2024
    On 3/23/2024 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    For anyone who has ever made (or eaten) authentic seafood gumbo, at what point do you "char" the okra?  (FYI the answer is "never".)

    Where the rice comes from doesn't matter (South Carolina used to be a
    huge producer of rice; I'll grant them that).  But they make the Holy Trinity sound like something special - it's just diced onions, green
    bell pepper and celery, sauteed.

    You don't *smoke* a roux, you cook it low and slow, stirring constantly,
     until it is very dark.  Lobster broth?  Crispy onions?  Nope.  Grouper bits?  What?  Where's the shrimp?  Boudin sausage does not belong in
    this dish, either.

    My 2 cents.

    Jill

    Of course you smoke the okra. That is how you get $29 for that gumbo.
    Unsmoked would sell for $8.

    After reading that, I'd order a cheeseburger.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 23 13:14:40 2024
    On 3/23/2024 12:45 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    For anyone who has ever made (or eaten) authentic seafood gumbo, at
    what point do you "char" the okra?  (FYI the answer is "never".)

    Where the rice comes from doesn't matter (South Carolina used to be a
    huge producer of rice; I'll grant them that).  But they make the Holy
    Trinity sound like something special - it's just diced onions, green
    bell pepper and celery, sauteed.

    You don't *smoke* a roux, you cook it low and slow, stirring
    constantly,   until it is very dark.  Lobster broth?  Crispy onions?
    Nope.  Grouper bits?  What?  Where's the shrimp?  Boudin sausage does
    not belong in this dish, either.

    My 2 cents.

    Jill

    Of course you smoke the okra.  That is how you get $29 for that gumbo. Unsmoked would sell for $8.

    After reading that, I'd order a cheeseburger.

    LOL Ed. I haven't eaten there in a very long time but they did make
    pretty good cheeseburgers. :)

    I actually stepped out of bounds and emailed them about that
    description. I got an email back from the dining room manager saying it
    was very tasty (and has been for the last two nights - oh, leftovers!)
    but he'll present my comments to the Culinary team and maybe they will
    not call it "gumbo".

    It wasn't about what they called it. It was about things like "charred
    okra". This whole thing about roasting or charring vegetables doesn't
    work for everything.

    Jill

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 23 21:25:22 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00? That's for a gallon bucket, right??

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Mar 23 19:10:45 2024
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Of course it's not shrimp season. And crawfish isn't native to the SC
    coast so they're using frozen crawfish and making it up up as they go
    along. They should watch the movie 'Forrest Gump' sometime. ;) Which,
    BTW, was partly filmed down here on the sea islands. The scenes from
    Vietnam were filmed on Fripp Island which is just to the south of Dataw.

    Anyway, I got an immediate reply back from the DRM saying it tasted very
    good to him two days later. Granted, ssome things do taste better a
    couple of days later. Seems they're serving leftovers at a premium
    price. He did mention the kitchen is "in flux". I take that to mean a
    lot of turnover in kitchen staff.

    https://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/10/shrimp-and-okra-gumbo.html

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 23 20:26:56 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked Roux, >>> Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan.  A bowl, I'm sure.  I have kept my mouth shut about these menus for a while.  I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Of course it's not shrimp season.  And crawfish isn't native to the SC
    coast so they're using frozen crawfish and making it up up as they go
    along.  They should watch the movie 'Forrest Gump' sometime. ;)  Which,
    BTW, was partly filmed down here on the sea islands.  The scenes from
    Vietnam were filmed on Fripp Island which is just to the south of Dataw.

    Anyway, I got an immediate reply back from the DRM saying it tasted very
    good to him two days later.  Granted, ssome things do taste better a couple of days later.  Seems they're serving leftovers at a premium price.  He did mention the kitchen is "in flux".  I take that to mean a lot of turnover in kitchen staff.

    https://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/10/shrimp-and-okra-gumbo.html

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Jill

    Be kind to the dataw club employees. They are not used to royal customers.

    Few chefs would even dare to attempt to serve your majesty's meals. They
    just don't have the skills to prepare a royal dinner.

    Your highness deserves better than the dataw club food.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 09:30:03 2024
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion.
    $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 24 09:26:09 2024
    On 3/24/2024 5:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion. >>>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo is quite common. Could use raccoon, or
    oppossum. Andouille sausage is the norm.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Of course people are allowed to innovate. Have you ever eaten okra? I
    can't imagine any benefit in charring it other than making it taste burnt.

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    Ah yes, but the shrimp is what was missing from the Dataw "seafood
    gumbo". Even frozen shrimp is readily available out of season.

    My only reason for posting about this is to point out how they try to
    make something as simple as gumbo sound fru-fru when it really isn't,
    and to charge outrageous prices for it.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 13:42:17 2024
    On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 5:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion. >>>>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo is quite common. Could use raccoon, or
    oppossum. Andouille sausage is the norm.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Of course people are allowed to innovate. Have you ever eaten okra?

    Sadly, yes.

    I
    can't imagine any benefit in charring it other than making it taste burnt.

    Perhaps it denatures the slime.

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    Ah yes, but the shrimp is what was missing from the Dataw "seafood
    gumbo". Even frozen shrimp is readily available out of season.

    Seafood gumbo usually contains shrimp. I don't see where it's a
    requirement.

    My only reason for posting about this is to point out how they try to
    make something as simple as gumbo sound fru-fru when it really isn't,
    and to charge outrageous prices for it.

    You're aware, aren't you, that restaurant prices are only loosely
    related to their ingredients cost?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 24 10:17:12 2024
    On 3/24/2024 9:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 5:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked >>>>>> Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion. >>>>>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo is quite common. Could use raccoon, or
    oppossum. Andouille sausage is the norm.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Of course people are allowed to innovate. Have you ever eaten okra?

    Sadly, yes.

    I
    can't imagine any benefit in charring it other than making it taste burnt.

    Perhaps it denatures the slime.

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    Ah yes, but the shrimp is what was missing from the Dataw "seafood
    gumbo". Even frozen shrimp is readily available out of season.

    Seafood gumbo usually contains shrimp. I don't see where it's a
    requirement.

    My only reason for posting about this is to point out how they try to
    make something as simple as gumbo sound fru-fru when it really isn't,
    and to charge outrageous prices for it.

    You're aware, aren't you, that restaurant prices are only loosely
    related to their ingredients cost?

    Of course I'm aware of it. I've worked in restaurants. You really
    can't compare the Dataw Club to restaurants accessible to the general
    public. Most people in this area would laugh at the idea of paying $29
    for a bowl of "gumbo" in local restaurants, especially if it didn't at
    least contain a couple of shrimp.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 15:38:12 2024
    On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 9:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 5:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked >>>>>>> Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion. >>>>>>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these >>>>> menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would >>>>> call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo is quite common. Could use raccoon, or
    oppossum. Andouille sausage is the norm.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not. >>>>
    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Of course people are allowed to innovate. Have you ever eaten okra?

    Sadly, yes.

    I
    can't imagine any benefit in charring it other than making it taste burnt. >>
    Perhaps it denatures the slime.

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    Ah yes, but the shrimp is what was missing from the Dataw "seafood
    gumbo". Even frozen shrimp is readily available out of season.

    Seafood gumbo usually contains shrimp. I don't see where it's a
    requirement.

    My only reason for posting about this is to point out how they try to
    make something as simple as gumbo sound fru-fru when it really isn't,
    and to charge outrageous prices for it.

    You're aware, aren't you, that restaurant prices are only loosely
    related to their ingredients cost?

    Of course I'm aware of it. I've worked in restaurants. You really
    can't compare the Dataw Club to restaurants accessible to the general
    public. Most people in this area would laugh at the idea of paying $29
    for a bowl of "gumbo" in local restaurants, especially if it didn't at
    least contain a couple of shrimp.

    It's like buying beer at the ballpark. It's expensive because they
    have a captive audience. Not as captive as it used to be, but I'm
    sure its proximity is a factor for many residents.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 24 12:39:29 2024
    On 2024-03-24 11:38 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    Of course I'm aware of it. I've worked in restaurants. You really
    can't compare the Dataw Club to restaurants accessible to the general
    public. Most people in this area would laugh at the idea of paying $29
    for a bowl of "gumbo" in local restaurants, especially if it didn't at
    least contain a couple of shrimp.

    It's like buying beer at the ballpark. It's expensive because they
    have a captive audience. Not as captive as it used to be, but I'm
    sure its proximity is a factor for many residents.

    It's amazing that people will pay those outrageous prices for beer at
    sports venues. I have limited sympathy for the vendors because there is
    a lot of expense involved in licensing for liquor sales and all the
    equipment they need to keep chill the beer but only a limited number of
    days to sell the product. I am assuming that the venues are also gouging
    them on rent.

    People will also spend a lot of money on tickets to attend games. I
    can't feel too sorry for someone having to pay $10 for a beer when they
    have paid $250 for a ticket to get into the game.

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Mar 24 13:41:24 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    People will also spend a lot of money on tickets to attend games.  I
    can't feel too sorry for someone having to pay $10 for a beer when they
    have paid $250 for a ticket to get into the game.


    Who asked you to feel sorry for them, officer Dave, you
    fucking blowhard?

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  • From Mort Adella@21:1/5 to William Price on Sun Mar 24 13:51:33 2024
    On 3/24/2024 1:41 PM, William Price wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:
    People will also spend a lot of money on tickets to attend games.  I
    can't feel too sorry for someone having to pay $10 for a beer when
    they have paid $250 for a ticket to get into the game.


    Who asked you to feel sorry for them, officer Dave, you
    fucking blowhard?

    That was me. In an earlier post I requested everyone here should feel
    sorry for people overpaying for beer a sporting events. I find it very upsetting and you should too.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 17:23:39 2024
    jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 5:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed Smoked
    Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice, Crispy Onion. >>>>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo is quite common. Could use raccoon, or
    oppossum. Andouille sausage is the norm.

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Nobody is allowed to innovate?

    Of course people are allowed to innovate. Have you ever eaten okra? I
    can't imagine any benefit in charring it other than making it taste burnt.

    Oh, heck. Shrimp and boudin gumbo:

    https://louisianacookin.com/shrimp-and-boudin-gumbo/

    I always though gumbo was Cajun for "I cleaned out the fridge, cher."

    Ah yes, but the shrimp is what was missing from the Dataw "seafood
    gumbo". Even frozen shrimp is readily available out of season.

    My only reason for posting about this is to point out how they try to
    make something as simple as gumbo sound fru-fru when it really isn't,
    and to charge outrageous prices for it.

    Jill


    I think they do that to piss your majesty off.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 23:43:55 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed
    Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice,
    Crispy Onion. $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Of course it's not shrimp season. And crawfish isn't native to the
    SC coast so they're using frozen crawfish and making it up up as they
    go along. They should watch the movie 'Forrest Gump' sometime. ;)
    Which, BTW, was partly filmed down here on the sea islands. The
    scenes from Vietnam were filmed on Fripp Island which is just to the
    south of Dataw.

    Anyway, I got an immediate reply back from the DRM saying it tasted
    very good to him two days later. Granted, ssome things do taste
    better a couple of days later. Seems they're serving leftovers at a
    premium price. He did mention the kitchen is "in flux". I take that
    to mean a lot of turnover in kitchen staff.

    https://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/10/shrimp-and-okra-gumbo.html

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Jill

    I've not seen charred okra in gumbo but wouldn't be shocked at boudin
    as a part of it. I'm not into boudin as it's mostly pork liver.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Mar 24 23:37:39 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed
    Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice,
    Crispy Onion. $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Of course it's not shrimp season. And crawfish isn't native to the
    SC coast so they're using frozen crawfish and making it up up as they
    go along. They should watch the movie 'Forrest Gump' sometime. ;)
    Which, BTW, was partly filmed down here on the sea islands. The
    scenes from Vietnam were filmed on Fripp Island which is just to the
    south of Dataw.

    Anyway, I got an immediate reply back from the DRM saying it tasted
    very good to him two days later. Granted, ssome things do taste
    better a couple of days later. Seems they're serving leftovers at a
    premium price. He did mention the kitchen is "in flux". I take that
    to mean a lot of turnover in kitchen staff.

    https://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/10/shrimp-and-okra-gumbo.html

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Jill

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 25 00:00:02 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-23, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed
    Smoked >>> Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice,
    Crispy Onion. >>> $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about
    these menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck
    they would call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in
    it.

    Somehow I imagine if shrimp was unavailable, that wouldn't stop
    anybody from making gumbo.

    Yup, they will try for a 'seafood' but glrrfully include crayfish.

    There's meat-based gumbo. It could use squirrel

    Yup, and I've had it with chicken thigh meat.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 25 17:34:32 2024
    On 3/24/2024 7:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:25 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    "Seafood Gumbo
    Crawfish, Grouper Bits, Charred Okra, Holy Trinity, Bronzed
    Smoked Roux, Lobster Broth, Boudin Sausage, Carolina Gold Rice,
    Crispy Onion. $29.00"

    Jill

    $29.00?  That's for a gallon bucket, right??

    LOL, Joan. A bowl, I'm sure. I have kept my mouth shut about these
    menus for a while. I couldn't resist asking why the heck they would
    call this "seafood gumbo" when there isn't any shrimp in it.

    Of course it's not shrimp season. And crawfish isn't native to the
    SC coast so they're using frozen crawfish and making it up up as they
    go along. They should watch the movie 'Forrest Gump' sometime. ;)
    Which, BTW, was partly filmed down here on the sea islands. The
    scenes from Vietnam were filmed on Fripp Island which is just to the
    south of Dataw.

    Anyway, I got an immediate reply back from the DRM saying it tasted
    very good to him two days later. Granted, ssome things do taste
    better a couple of days later. Seems they're serving leftovers at a
    premium price. He did mention the kitchen is "in flux". I take that
    to mean a lot of turnover in kitchen staff.

    https://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/10/shrimp-and-okra-gumbo.html

    No one uses *charred okra* or boudin in gumbo, South Carolina or not.

    Jill

    I've not seen charred okra in gumbo but wouldn't be shocked at boudin
    as a part of it. I'm not into boudin as it's mostly pork liver.

    I love white boudin. It's not necessarily mostly pork liver, it's
    pretty much 2/3 ground pork and 1/3 ground pork liver. But since there
    is also rice added to white boudin it wouldn't make much sense to use
    it, take it out of the casings and then more add rice to the gumbo. I
    doubt it's red boudin, which is a very strong dark sausage that would
    overwhelm the taste of whatever seafood is used.

    Chicken & sausage gumbo calls for andouille sausage. Still no charred okra.

    Jill

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