We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack
of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — >>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is >> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — >>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack
of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your fantasy?
On 3/22/2024 3:57 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — >>>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Typical GM trolling bullshit. "I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie
to her a chair and smoke a pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!"
Jill
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood >>>> fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood >>>>> fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
Plenty of good science. How about some common sense? Globally, we burn
100 million tons of fossil fuel every day. You don't think that has
some effect after a hundred years?
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer and
premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of this,
burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get rid
of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they can electric .
(INCOMING!)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is >> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is >>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is >>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In
the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for
27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
Plenty of good science. How about some common sense? Globally, we
burn 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day. You don't think that
has some effect after a hundred years?
What do you mean by "effect"...???
IMNSHO the "effect" is quite excellent - the world is a *far* richer
place than 100 years ago... and that is 100% due do the use of fossil fuels...
Because of fossil fuels, hundreds of millions have better and longer and healthier lives... every advance in modern science and technology has
been made possible *only* with the use of fossil fuels...
These five "cornerstones" of our modern era, which started to be used
around 1900 and then really accelerated by the 1920's are:
- the internal combustion engine
- modern chemistry
- modern telecommunications
- modern sanitation (clean water, sewage...)
- cheap and abundant electrical power
Many thousands of people around the world just ****today**** grew out of
dire poverty (whicn is defined by the UN as an income of less than $2.00
per day), and they grew out of that poverty via the use of fossil fuels
to obtain fertizer for their crops, electricity and clean water, modern transportation and communication, etcetera...
But Ed, we *all* know you consume *no* fossil fuels - ***right***...???
<chuckle>
Seriously, Ed, I'd suggest you do some background reading on how modern technology came to be...
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, the >> BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning
fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer and
premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as bad
as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our homes >> is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, causing
serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of this, burning
wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Snag wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer and >>> premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as bad
as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of this, >>> burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get rid >> of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they can
electric .
(INCOMING!)
Yup...
Wood is *still* a major fuel in many poor Third World places, e.g. sub - Saharan Africa, Haiti, etc....
BUT the Climate Change Buffoons want to deny these poor places the use of fossil fuels, which would jump - start their economies and change their standards of living for the better...
In the future, the whole present "Climate Change" schtick will be laughed at as quackery, same as we laugh at medieval alchemy, those who claimed the Earth was "flat", and that Earth was the "center" of the universe...
On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky is >>>> FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack >>>> of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
Plenty of good science. How about some common sense? Globally, we burn 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day. You don't think that has some effect after a hundred years?
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:08:12 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
"They" is the socialists? You need help, man.
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
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True. Sadly the politicians will just [...]
and just find another hysteria to whip up.
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns across). >>>
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is >>> as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5
microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — >>> is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On
top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or
gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces
in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of living in
a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In
the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for
27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
Plenty of good science. How about some common sense? Globally, we
burn 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day. You don't think that
has some effect after a hundred years?
And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430 exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more
than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I would say the electric company. ;)Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
On 3/23/2024 7:21 AM, D wrote:
And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430
exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons >> of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more
than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Clean energy that we can use for many things. Sun also makes plants
grow to help us keep cool. Check the science to see how it gives us life.
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire >>>>> — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
I would say the electric company. ;)Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
making any money .
On 23/03/2024 16:17, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to >>>>> get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
making any money .
My electricity supplier just lowered the unit cost a teeny tiny bit.
And they raised the daily standing charge, which I pay whether or not I
use any electricity.
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer and >>>> premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is as >>>> bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global Action >>>> Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of this, >>>> burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky is >>> FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack of >>> Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces in
our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing steadily >> over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of living in a
modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of particles
they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using an inhaler
On 23/03/2024 16:17, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to >>>>> get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
making any money .
My electricity supplier just lowered the unit cost a teeny tiny bit.
And they raised the daily standing charge, which I pay whether or not I
use any electricity.
On 3/23/2024 12:17 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire >>>>>> — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the >>>>>> UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to >>>>> get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us
... and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry .
Hey Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the
power back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
I don't use a wood burning stove or a fireplace to provide heat or to
cook. I don't live in a cabin in the woods. The "they" who might cut
off the electricity would be the electric company if I didn't pay the bill.
Jill
On 3/23/2024 7:21 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 4:26 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 1:25 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires >>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in >>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky >>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack >>>>>> of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your
fantasy?
Depends on who is *paying* for the "actual science", Ed...
Plenty of good science. How about some common sense? Globally, we burn >>> 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day. You don't think that has some >>> effect after a hundred years?
And please remember that it is estimated that the Earth receives 430
exajoules of energy from the Sun every hour.
Add to that that gasoline has an energy content of 43.5 to 47 gigajoules
per ton (LHV) or 47.3 gigajoules per ton (HHV). Therefore, 100 million tons >> of gasoline would contain between 4.35 and 4.7 exajoules of energy.
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about 100x more than
the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Clean energy that we can use for many things. Sun also makes plants grow to help us keep cool. Check the science to see how it gives us life.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns
across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of
this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get >>>> rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture,
but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5
pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than
2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple
wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and
brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The
sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a
pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has been
increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of
living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using
an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life instead.
On 23 Mar 2024 18:37:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
I wonder if this is just an individual with mental problems or if he represents a much larger group of delusional Trump voters. I saw Greg
egging him on, for instance.
On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?
Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into >perspective for us.
Snag wrote:...
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't making
any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... and it's a >> lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey Man , all ya
gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power back on and let >> you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
You are ***exactly*** right, Snag, we've already seen this during the manufactured Covid hysteria, when those who refused the jab were fired from their jobs, thus depriving these people from a livelihood...
Ronald Reagan wasn't kiddin' when he said this at his January 5, 1967 CA Gubernatorial Inaugural Address:
"Perhaps you and I have lived too long with this miracle to properly be appreciative...
Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation away from extinction...
It is not ours by way of inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people..."
On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in winter . Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage cellar under the dining room/kitchen .
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ronald Reagan wasn't kiddin' when he said this at his January 5, 1967
CA Gubernatorial Inaugural Address:
"Perhaps you and I have lived too long with this miracle to properly
be appreciative... Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than
one generation away from extinction... It is not ours by way of
inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each
generation, for it comes only once to a people..."
Wise words and sadly they seem to be completely forgotten or ignored by
far too many people. But we can only hope that Trump will win this
november, and maybe, just maybe, he can point the compass needle towards freedom again.
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas."
Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global
Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires >>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in >>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky >>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack >>>>> of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces in >>>> our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing
steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska, >>>> and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of living in a >>>> modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of particles >>>> they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using an >>> inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a
deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Like most, I just used what I wanted with no thought, but at some point, stop and look at the reality and what the industrial revolution has done, both good and bad and correct the bad.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want >>>>>> to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood
fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
and have heard of many who died after the shot.
My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died because
of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In >>>>>>> the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for >>>>>>> 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple >>>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and >>>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The >>>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has
been increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience
of living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma
using an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and
a deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for
the planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!)
we've never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning
now for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another
little secret and it is called "the market" and "technological
development". Oil will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be develop. It is difficult for me to put into words
how little I care about peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the
grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
must be stopped!
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but >>>>>>> they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom, >>>>>>> the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and have heard of many who died after the shot.
On 2024-03-23, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Mar 2024 18:37:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
I wonder if this is just an individual with mental problems or if he
represents a much larger group of delusional Trump voters. I saw Greg
egging him on, for instance.
There's a positive correlation between living in Trumpistan and being >anti-vax.
On 2024-03-23, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to Alaska,
There are plenty of particles in Alaska.
https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anpms/communities/fbks-pm2-5-background
We had some horrific particulate counts last summer from the Canadian
wildfires. I think I'd rather do without particles.
Everything in moderation. Particles compete with spores for the same
space. Spores are worse. ;)
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into perspective for us.
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
vaccinated as soon as it was available.
Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
in any case.
Little baby afraid of a shot.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
and have heard of many who died after the shot.
My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died because
of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes
I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for
a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
On 2024-03-23 5:09 p.m., D wrote:
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know
and have heard of many who died after the shot.
Yeah right. There is someone in my extended family who was rabidly
antivax. He claimed that it was too dangerous. Recently he has run into >serious dental problems and was supposed to be getting all his teeth
removed. Apparently the sudden deterioration of his teeth was the result
of him getting the vaccine. That branch of the clan (sister in laws
step children) are all pathological liars.
A couple years ago there were parents refusing to get their kids
vaccinated because of bullshit claims about them causing autism. Now we
are seeing an increase in measles, a childhood disease that had been all
but eliminated here for decades.
On 2024-03-23 3:09 p.m., D wrote:
My wives family were pestering me to take the shot, and of course I
refused, but it was still annoying. Then someone they knew died
because of it, and fortunately for me, they never bothered me again.
So they put 2 and 2 together and made 5.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In >>>>>>> the United Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for >>>>>>> 27% of PM2.5 pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with
pieces less than 2.5 microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple >>>>>>> wood fire — is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting
fires in our homes is the largest source of small particle air
pollution in the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and >>>>>>> brain health. On top of this, burning wood produces more carbon
dioxide than coal or gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The >>>>>> sky is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and
fireplaces in our homes the average life span on the planet has
been increasing steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience
of living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma
using an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and
a deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for
the planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!)
we've never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning
now for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another
little secret and it is called "the market" and "technological
development". Oil will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be develop. It is difficult for me to put into words
how little I care about peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the
grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
must be stopped!
If not, we'll be back to medieval times in no time. That... worries me. =(
On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want >>>>>> to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our
culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United
Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to
cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood
fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like
they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ...
and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power
back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
On 3/23/2024 6:15 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
True, have you set a date yet?
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it
was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into perspective for us.
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
Counties with high vaccination rates (herd immunity) had a greater
than 80% reduction in death rates compared with counties that had
low vaccination rates.
I certainly would rather live in a county with high vaccination
rates. Oh, hey. I do. The educated people of Washtenaw County
see the benefit in vaccines.
REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?
Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
vaccinated as soon as it was available.
Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
in any case.
Little baby afraid of a shot.
On 3/23/2024 6:15 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the >>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes >>>> I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for
a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
True, have you set a date yet?
When I went to get my first Covid shot at the hospital annex, the
vaccine was new so people were supposed to wait about 20 minutes after
the vaccine before leaving. In case there were any negative reactions.
None that I witnessed. One woman in the waiting area was talking on her
cell phone. She had it on speaker (why do people do that?!) Her >boyfriend/SO/husband was bitching loudly. "Why do you have to wait
there for 20 minutes? Just leave! I need cigarettes, dammit! And
where's my beer? Bring me some beer and cigarettes!" She said she
already bought them but had to wait before leaving after getting the
vaccine.
It was ridiculous and really rather sad. I have no idea why anyone
would let someone talk to them like that. Get up off your ass and buy
your own damn cigarettes and beer, dude. And woman, stop kow-towing to
this loser who expects you to fetch and carry for him.
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes
I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for
a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital ?
On 2024-03-23 7:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 6:15 PM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
No need to get all needlessly maudlin, Ed... "everybody dies"...
True, have you set a date yet?
I am chuckling thinking about Rodney Dangerfield line about telling his
wife he wanted to be cremated so she made an appointment for next Tuesday.
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the
histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER
THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I
got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into perspective for us.
On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in winter .
Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining room/kitchen
and a storm/storage cellar under the dining room/kitchen .
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a pack
of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!!
Don't you just hate it when actual science does not agree with your fantasy?
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention.
Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for
a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . >>>>> Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention.
Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . >>>>> Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't make
billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
substances.
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure .
Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a >>>> man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my "veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
. Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
substances.
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 Â And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember >>>>> all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to
everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still >>>>> unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold
, I'm not sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good
physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.Â
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I didn't know it got banned. I haven't bought any for several months. I
get it from a farmer's COOP. I guess I won't be able to get it next time
I go there.
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention.
Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy >disgusting .
On 3/23/2024 10:36 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure >>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape >>>>>> for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He >>>>> caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into >>>>> perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
substances.
Nope , I think the contrails are probably some type of cloud seeding
. Supposed to be aluminum , barium , and some kind of micro-crystalline >polymer from the analyses I've seen .
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy
disgusting .
Certainly, you see it is both sides, not one. Why to you mention the
"Party of Tolerance" when the MAGA folks are just as dug in with their beliefs?
On 3/23/2024 10:55 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:Sure you will , the CDC has reversed itself and both Ivermectin and
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I didn't know it got banned. I haven't bought any for several months. I
get it from a farmer's COOP. I guess I won't be able to get it next time
I go there.
hydroxychloroquine are now "approved" to treat covid . If you can't find
a druggist to fill your 'scrip just do what you been doing .
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
. Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking.
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure >>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape >>>>>> for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He >>>>> caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into >>>>> perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
Jill
When I went to get my first Covid shot at the hospital annex, the
vaccine was new so people were supposed to wait about 20 minutes after
the vaccine before leaving. In case there were any negative reactions.
None that I witnessed. One woman in the waiting area was talking on her
cell phone. She had it on speaker (why do people do that?!) Her boyfriend/SO/husband was bitching loudly. "Why do you have to wait
there for 20 minutes? Just leave! I need cigarettes, dammit! And
where's my beer? Bring me some beer and cigarettes!" She said she
already bought them but had to wait before leaving after getting the
vaccine.
It was ridiculous and really rather sad. I have no idea why anyone
would let someone talk to them like that. Get up off your ass and buy
your own damn cigarettes and beer, dude. And woman, stop kow-towing to
this loser who expects you to fetch and carry for him.
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and
yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . >>>>> Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention.
Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to get
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire — is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in our >>>>>>>> homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, >>>>>>>> causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like they >>>>>>> can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey
Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
On 23 Mar 2024 22:11:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
It's strange. These anti-vaxxers are not at all worried about the
large number of people who died from covid, but get completely
hysterical from the extremely small number of people who died from vaccinations.
On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:
You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires >>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in >>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky >>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces >>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing >>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of >>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using >>>>> an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a >>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the >> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now >>> for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little >> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be >> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
must be stopped!
course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
the Nineteenth Century.
On 2024-03-23 4:56 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
Remember the fuckin' lockdowns were before there was a vaccine?
I didn't stay home for more than a few weeks after the lockdowns
started. I worked for a defense contractor that was deemed
essential, so I went back to the office in May 2020. We all got
vaccinated as soon as it was available.
Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had
The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was
I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
You don't even know if you had COVID. Your anecdote is meaningless
in any case.
Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me. There is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he was in deep shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when crowds were being limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is heavily populated with Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict religion and conservative views. People were furious that there were ignoring all the Covid protocols that we had been told would keep us safe. The regional health unit was tracing Covid infections by sex, age and location. Curiously,the infection rates in that community were a fraction of those of the other municipalities in the Region.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me. There
is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he was in deep
shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when crowds were being >> limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is heavily populated with >> Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict religion and conservative
views. People were furious that there were ignoring all the Covid protocols >> that we had been told would keep us safe. The regional health unit was
tracing Covid infections by sex, age and location. Curiously,the infection >> rates in that community were a fraction of those of the other municipalities >> in the Region.
Nothing strange. Sweden has the lowest excess mortality of europe proving >that restrictions were just nonsense.
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>> but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to >>>>>>>>> cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the >>>>>>>>> UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>>
get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like >>>>>>>> they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey >>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
When I went to get my first Covid shot at the hospital annex, the vaccine was new so people were supposed to wait about 20 minutes after the vaccine before leaving. In case there were any negative reactions. None that I witnessed. One woman in the waiting area was talking on her cell phone. She had it on speaker (why do people do that?!) Her boyfriend/SO/husband was bitching loudly. "Why do you have to wait there for 20 minutes? Just leave! I need cigarettes, dammit! And where's my beer? Bring me some beer and cigarettes!" She said she already bought them but had to wait before leaving after getting the vaccine.
It was ridiculous and really rather sad. I have no idea why anyone would let someone talk to them like that. Get up off your ass and buy your own damn cigarettes and beer, dude. And woman, stop kow-towing to this loser who expects you to fetch and carry for him.
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the >>>>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER >>>>>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had >>>>>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was >>>>>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" . >>>>>>
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He >>>>> caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into >>>>> perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital >>>> ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention. >>> Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings of >> so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that changed was >> the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy
disgusting .
It's called "Trump Derangemnt Syndrome", Snag... it's a form of mental illness - abnormality,,,
Anything we say that doesn't 1000% agree with their "Progressive Party Line" has them FROTHING at the mouth...
Remember: "It's not *you* - it's *them*..."...
PLEASE Don't leave, your Rabid Dog "detractors" here are a big buncha mewling crybabies... all the more pitiful because they are all in their 60's - 70's, lol...!!!
PS: unless Jill is "paying your way through life", she's NO business hectoring you as she did above...
:-)
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On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>> but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to >>>>>>>>> cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the >>>>>>>>> UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>>
get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like >>>>>>>> they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't
making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey >>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was relatively mild.
I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it.
reason and science mean nothing to Trumpers, they
don't understand it and what they don't understand they
have to destroy (or attempt it). same for wisdom, other
cultures, biology, etc. all must be destroyed because
it's hard. what they want instead is to be fed, pampered
and most of all not-disturbed in their famtasy worlds.
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all the >>>>> histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? REMEMBER >>>>> THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had >>>>> The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was >>>>> I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" . >>>>>
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my friend >>>> that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He caught it >>>> at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into perspective for >>>> us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of contention. Now >> you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs . They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
On 3/23/2024 5:13 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires >>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in >>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky >>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces >>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing >>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to
Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of >>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using >>>>> an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a >>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the >> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
never been healthier and wealthier.
It really is what you said. Doctors don't fix everything, some people die. Many cases can be prevented with a little effort.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs
out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now >>> for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little >> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil
will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be >> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about
peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
I've noticed, you only care about yourself. Why worry about the future, you won't be here to see the problems.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and
the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism
must be stopped!
If not, we'll be back to medieval times in no time. That... worries me. =(
With your attitude, people will be back to medieval times. Science, ingenuity, engineering can prevent it but you choose not to participate.
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking.
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure >>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical
shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing
that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
Jill
Snag, please stay. I like to get more of an insight into the mind of a
Trump Zombie. Most of them can't really write, so you're my only
chance. It's fascinating.
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking.
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"? >>>>>>> REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not
sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good
physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my >>>>>> friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in >>>>>> into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only
thing that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably
leave again .
Jill
Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .
That's about it. They'll never vote for a smart candidate, because
they feel threatened by smart people. Smart people trigger their
paranoia.
On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure
. Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape
for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well. He
caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in into
perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had was
ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
substances.
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who want to give us freedom.
You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer >>>>>>>>> and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires >>>>>>>>> in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in >>>>>>>>> the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky >>>>>>>> is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces >>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing >>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to >>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of >>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of
particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using >>>>>> an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a >>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life
instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the >>> planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've
never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs >>>> out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now >>>> for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little >>> secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil >>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be >>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about >>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and >>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism >>> must be stopped!
course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
the Nineteenth Century.
On 3/23/2024 10:55 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 Â And that's the "little shot" I was referring to .
Remember all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading
death to everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ?ÂÂ
Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or
maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I
got over it and am in "Damn good physical shape for a man
of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow
of my friend that died from Covid and let her know you are
doing well. He caught it at work. I bet she was over
reacting but you put in into perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we
had was ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that
trump recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with
my "veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I didn't know it got banned. I haven't bought any for several
months. I get it from a farmer's COOP. I guess I won't be able to
get it next time I go there.
Sure you will , the CDC has reversed itself and both Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are now "approved" to treat covid . If you can't
find a druggist to fill your 'scrip just do what you been doing .
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-23 6:11 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this todayYes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>>> but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution >>>>>>>>>> (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to >>>>>>>>>> cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the >>>>>>>>>> UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>>>
get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like >>>>>>>>> they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't >>>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey >>>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money.
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and >>>> have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was
relatively mild.
I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's
school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it.
Had corona 3 times and I just continued to work through it. A common cold
is actually mroe unpleasant. It's mostly in the mind I think.
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true feelings
of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only thing that
changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably leave again .
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these folks
bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their beliefs .
They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the hypocrisy disgusting .
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who >> want to give us freedom.
You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces >>>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing >>>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to >>>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of >>>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of >>>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using >>>>>>> an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a >>>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life >>>>>> instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've >>>> never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs >>>>> out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now
for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil >>>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be >>>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about >>>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and >>>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism >>>> must be stopped!
course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
the Nineteenth Century.
What freedoms are you lacking?
On 3/24/2024 8:07 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with
On 3/23/2024 7:44 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember >>>>>>>> all the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to
everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still >>>>>>>> unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a
cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in
"Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of >>>>>>> my friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing
well. He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you >>>>>>> put in into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Please stop it. You left this group a while ago because of
contention. Now you are stirring it up.
Jill
No Ma'am , I did not stir it up . I merely exposed the true
feelings of so many here . Don't worry , now that I see the only
thing that changed was the loss of a whipping boy , I'll probably
leave again .
cooking.
Jill
Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .
No, you didn't start the thread. The thread drifted to Covid crap and I don't understand anti-vaxxers anymore than I understand "preppers" who
look for Armageddon around every corner.
OB Food: Chuck roast. I'll be cooking it low and slow, after sprinkling with S&P and browning it to get the maillard reaction. Simmered in beef broth with a couple of bay leaves, a few pearl onions, cloves of garlic
and a cheesecloth bouquet garni with peppercorns and dried herbs.
You recently bought a lot of meat. What's on the menu today? :)
Jill
On 2024-03-23 11:36 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-23 9:00 p.m., Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:59 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
 And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all >>>>>> the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to everybody"?
REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still unvaxxed , and >>>>>> yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a cold , I'm not sure >>>>>> . Whatever it was I got over it and am in "Damn good physical
shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
"They" would have got him anyway. The only true protection we had
was ivermectin horse wormer, and the malaria drug that trump
recommended.
Oh yeah , the stuff Big Pharma got banned because they couldn't
make billions on it . Got a tube of Ivermectin on the shelf with my
"veterinary supplies" . Got it at the farm supply (!) .
I bet you believe that con-trails are dispensing mind-control
substances.
Funny how people can be so skeptical about scientists but will believe
the research reported by people who drive trucks with nuts hanging from
the trailer hitch.
Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.
Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally very bitter.
OB Food: Chuck roast. I'll be cooking it low and slow, after sprinkling
with S&P and browning it to get the maillard reaction. Simmered in beef broth with a couple of bay leaves, a few pearl onions, cloves of garlic
and a cheesecloth bouquet garni with peppercorns and dried herbs.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:53:38 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
Anecdotally..... there was a big stink in the region to the west of me. There
is a well known and very conservative member of Parliament and he was in deep
shit for having attended a large gathering at a time when crowds were being >>> limited, and no one was wearing masks. The region is heavily populated with
Dutch immigrants, well known for their strict religion and conservative
views. People were furious that there were ignoring all the Covid protocols
that we had been told would keep us safe. The regional health unit was
tracing Covid infections by sex, age and location. Curiously,the infection >>> rates in that community were a fraction of those of the other municipalities
in the Region.
Nothing strange. Sweden has the lowest excess mortality of europe proving
that restrictions were just nonsense.
"According to data from the OECD (Organization for Economic
Co-operation and Development), Iceland and Norway have had the lowest
COVID-1 mortality rates in Europe [2]."
"During the initial wave, Sweden's COVID-19 death rate was higher than neighboring countries like Norway"
Source: My artificially intelligent friend.
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.
My husband and I clean and cook for each other and it is a sign of love.
Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally
very bitter.
Not a statistically significant sample. Sample size too small. Sample
not randomly selected.
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-23 3:13 p.m., D wrote:Sorry, haven't seen any of those. The only ones I've seen are the ones who >> want to give us freedom.
You seem to confuse progressives with socialists. The opposite, of
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 1:40 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 7:00 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>>> but they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>>> Kingdom, the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 >>>>>>>>>> pollution (meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 >>>>>>>>>> microns across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>>> Action Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires
in our homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in
the UK, causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On >>>>>>>>>> top of this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or >>>>>>>>>> gas."
"Global Action Plan" = still another one of the useless dopey "The sky
is FALLING...!!!" climate "scare" groups...
I'd love to see her in person - I'd tie to her a chair and smoke a >>>>>>>>> pack of Camel straights RIGHT into the stupid bint's face, lol...!!! >>>>>>>>>
<laffin'>
I can also add the anecdotal evidence that despite cars and fireplaces >>>>>>>> in our homes the average life span on the planet has been increasing >>>>>>>> steadily over the last 200 years.
I usually tell all people who are afraid of particles to move to >>>>>>>> Alaska, and that particles is the price we pay for the convenience of >>>>>>>> living in a modern city with modern technology.
I'll take my fire place and car any day over the tiny amount of >>>>>>>> particles they might emit. =)
Sure, not everyone gets lung cancer and you can live with asthma using >>>>>>> an inhaler
Yes, let's reshape the earth based on asthmatics with lung cancer and a >>>>>> deficient immune system and let's see how it will go. ;)
Or they can get health care and the rest of us can get on with life >>>>>> instead.
So, just let them die if beyond help. You have a great plan.
That's not what I said. There are doctors, did you know that? ;) As for the
planet at large, as I said, despite _particles_ (scary, I know!) we've >>>> never been healthier and wealthier.
What about our grandchildren and great grandchildren when the oil runs >>>>> out? It will at some point. Does it not make sense to start planning now
for alternatives? How to conserve what is left?
Oh no... peak oil! Have I heard that before? Let me tell you another little
secret and it is called "the market" and "technological development". Oil >>>> will not peak over night, and as oil prices increase, alternatives will be >>>> develop. It is difficult for me to put into words how little I care about >>>> peak oil and how much I'm not worried about the grand children.
What does worry me though is socialism, that will lead to starvation and >>>> the killing of 100 of millions and that is why socialism and eco-fascism >>>> must be stopped!
course, are the regressive right wingers who want to take us back to
the Nineteenth Century.
What freedoms are you lacking?
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-23 6:11 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Had corona 3 times and I just continued to work through it. A common cold
On 2024-03-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-23, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 3/23/2024 8:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/22/2024 5:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-22, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:I would say the electric company. ;)
On 3/22/2024 12:09 PM, Ed P wrote:
We discussed wood burning recently and I found this today >>>>>>>>>>>Yes , and global warming is real . The real reason they want to
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-home/wood-burning-campaign-hertfordshire-county-council/
Wood fireplaces and stoves may have a beloved place in our culture, >>>>>>>>>>> but
they also play an unfortunate role in pollution. In the United >>>>>>>>>>> Kingdom,
the BBC reported that they're responsible for 27% of PM2.5 pollution
(meaning fine particle pollution with pieces less than 2.5 microns >>>>>>>>>>> across).
That's a problem because PM2.5 pollution is strongly linked to >>>>>>>>>>> cancer
and premature death. Too much smoke — even from a simple wood fire —
is
as bad as smoking cigarettes.
Tessa Bartholomew-Good, head of campaigns for clean air at Global >>>>>>>>>>> Action
Plan, told the BBC: "The uncomfortable truth is lighting fires in >>>>>>>>>>> our
homes is the largest source of small particle air pollution in the >>>>>>>>>>> UK,
causing serious harm to our lung, heart and brain health. On top of >>>>>>>>>>> this, burning wood produces more carbon dioxide than coal or gas." >>>>>>>>>>
get
rid of wood burners is because they can't turn off your heat like >>>>>>>>>> they
can electric .
(INCOMING!)
Who is "they" ?
Jill
I don't think so Jill . If they ain't supplying you they aren't >>>>>>> making any money . There are other entities that want to control us ... >>>>>>> and it's a lot easier to control someone who is cold and hungry . Hey >>>>>>> Man , all ya gotta do is take this little shot and we'll turn the power >>>>>>> back on and let you go buy groceries . See how easy that was ?
If grocery stores ain't supplying you they aren't making any money. >>>>>>
What little shot? You're just making shit up.
Reminds me I'm overdue for a COVID shot, though. Thanks.
Don't do it if there's no need for it Cindy, it could kill you. I know and
have heard of many who died after the shot.
For fuck's sake. Billions of doses have been administered and
relatively few people have died.
I've already had something like four doses. If I didn't die from the
first one, I'm not likely to die from the fifth one.
I have had 6. I managed to avoid Covid until last month, but it was
relatively mild.
I don't know about the vaccine status of the husband of one of my wife's >>> school mates. He came down with Covid a couple months ago and died it it. >>
is actually mroe unpleasant. It's mostly in the mind I think.
Your anecdote is not data.
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.
My husband and I clean and cook for each other and it is a sign of love.
Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally
very bitter.
Not a statistically significant sample. Sample size too small. Sample
not randomly selected.
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it
is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I
like etc. Shall I continue?
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
On 2024-03-24, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up some
canned baked beans .
That sounds delicious.
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2024 10:56 PM, Snag wrote:
I just do not understand the level of hatred and vitriol these
folks bear against anyone who doesn't fall into lockstep with their
beliefs . They call themselves "The Party of Tolerance" . I find the
hypocrisy disgusting .
Certainly, you see it is both sides, not one. Why to you mention the
"Party of Tolerance" when the MAGA folks are just as dug in with their
beliefs?
Ever look in the mirror, Ed....???
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink
when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it
is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I
like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Jill
On 3/24/2024 10:19 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:(piggybacking and reposting a bunch of relevant stuff which 'D' snipped:
Easy, because she's a real woman who cars about her husband. My wife
cleans and cooks for me and it is a sign of love.
"When I went to get my first Covid shot at the hospital annex, the vaccine was new so people were supposed to wait about 20 minutes after the vaccine before leaving. In case there were any negative reactions. None that I witnessed. One woman in the waiting area was talking on her cell phone. She had it on speaker (why do people do that?!) Her boyfriend/SO/husband was bitching loudly. "Why do you have to wait there for 20 minutes? Just leave! I need cigarettes, dammit! And where's my beer? Bring me some beer and cigarettes!".
My husband and I clean and cook for each other and it is a sign of love.Apparently 'D' thinks shouting at his wife and demanding she wait on him hand and foot is her obligation and her cooking and cleaning is a "sign of love". Welcome to 1900. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Bullshit, D. We simply are smarter than you are and don't tolerate fools.Most women I know who are militant feminists live alone and are generally >>> very bitter.
Not a statistically significant sample. Sample size too small. SampleIt's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal thinking.
not randomly selected.
'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Jill
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink
when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it
is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I
like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
On 3/24/2024 8:07 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 11:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
Obviously you didn't come back to discuss much having to do with cooking. >>>
Jill
Did I start this thread ? Nope , I'm just along for the ride .
No, you didn't start the thread. The thread drifted to Covid crap and I >don't understand anti-vaxxers anymore than I understand "preppers" who
look for Armageddon around every corner.
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
On 24 Mar 2024 15:36:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
Have you already put him in and taken him out again? I thought he was
very new here, as in a month or so.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink >>> when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it >>> is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I >>> like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Hahaha, not a chance beautiful. That's what the nazi said to the
complaining jew as well. ;) Please you can do better than that!
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
Taxes exist. Taxes are the road to slavery. If you call slavery
civilization, I don't think we have enough conceptual shared ground to
talk. ;)
On 2024-03-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Mar 2024 15:36:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
Have you already put him in and taken him out again? I thought he was
very new here, as in a month or so.
I put him in almost as soon as he arrived. I forget why I let him out. >Probably because people kept replying to him and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing some crucial text that got snipped.
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink
when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it
is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I
like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a
propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in
winter . Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not
exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage cellar under the dining room/kitchen
.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink >>> when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it >>> is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I >>> like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
I'd like the freedom to shit on trump's face, but that's probably >unconstitutional.
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Josh didn't have any. Don and I were watching his dog, Prince when he
was at work. Then one day he didn't pickup hime so we called and he
said he was really sick and might go to the hospital and asked us to
keep him. Josh never made it home. he was about 34-35, no
preconditions, healthy and a cycler plus ran marathons locally. He
died just as vaccines came out, too late for him.
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:52 PM, Snag wrote:
And that's the "little shot" I was referring to . Remember all
the histrionics about us unvaxxed "spreading death to
everybody"? REMEMBER THE FUCKIN' LOCKDOWNS ? Well , I'm still
unvaxxed , and yes I've had The Coof . Or maybe it was just a
cold , I'm not sure . Whatever it was I got over it and am in
"Damn good physical shape for a man of 72" .
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
math is hard! they complain that they don't want to
do what they're told, but they're doing what the FUXNEWTS
talking heads tell them to do. yes, they're truely wise
intelligent beings who should be elected to public offices
like MTG and the pillow guy and the great orange lump.
all failures.
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink >>> when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it >>> is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I >>> like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
I'd like the freedom to shit on trump's face, but that's probably unconstitutional.
On 2024-03-24, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
math is hard! they complain that they don't want to
do what they're told, but they're doing what the FUXNEWTS
talking heads tell them to do. yes, they're truely wise
intelligent beings who should be elected to public offices
like MTG and the pillow guy and the great orange lump.
all failures.
Folks, the movie of our lives is "MAGA vs the SLOBBOTS". Think of a
modern Japanese monster movie.
MAGA - Make America Great Again!
SLOBBOTS - Self LOBotomized Biden robOTS
Coming soon to a theater near you!
Oh, and remember, satire and comedy are dead arts. :(
[ObFood] Beef stew tonight with the broth I made a couple days ago.
On 2024-03-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-03-24, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
math is hard! they complain that they don't want to
do what they're told, but they're doing what the FUXNEWTS
talking heads tell them to do. yes, they're truely wise
intelligent beings who should be elected to public offices
like MTG and the pillow guy and the great orange lump.
all failures.
Folks, the movie of our lives is "MAGA vs the SLOBBOTS". Think of a
modern Japanese monster movie.
MAGA - Make America Great Again!
It's already great. Not perfect, but we're working on that.
SLOBBOTS - Self LOBotomized Biden robOTS
Has it occurred to you that we all were like this before Biden
was elected?
Coming soon to a theater near you!
Oh, and remember, satire and comedy are dead arts. :(
You just can't satirize Trump. Everything he says sounds like it
came straight from The Onion.
On 2024-03-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-03-24, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Coming soon to a theater near you!
Oh, and remember, satire and comedy are dead arts. :(
You just can't satirize Trump. Everything he says sounds like it
came straight from The Onion.
[ObFood] Beef stew tonight with the broth I made a couple days ago.
Salad with grilled chicken breast. Sherry vinaigrette.
Lunch _was_ farro, vegetables, and walnuts. I sauteed a garlic
clove for depth and added just a homeopathic quantity of oregano.
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , that's
HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of my system
... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis . This is not
"BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know it's ready when you
can pull the bone out of the roast . This one is resting in the smoker
now , I've closed the vents and it's cooling slowly .
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor up
some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , that's
HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of my system
... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis . This is not
"BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know it's ready when you
can pull the bone out of the roast . This one is resting in the smoker
now , I've closed the vents and it's cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked Memphis
style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not something that
can be cooked in a crockpot.
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with a
propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in
winter . Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods . Not
exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in the dining
room/kitchen and a storm/storage cellar under the dining room/kitchen
.
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
costs.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:00:28 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink >>>> when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it >>>> is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I >>>> like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Hahaha, not a chance beautiful. That's what the nazi said to the
complaining jew as well. ;) Please you can do better than that!
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
Taxes exist. Taxes are the road to slavery. If you call slavery
civilization, I don't think we have enough conceptual shared ground to
talk. ;)
Ah, this school of thought: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement>
On 2024-03-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Mar 2024 15:36:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
Have you already put him in and taken him out again? I thought he was
very new here, as in a month or so.
I put him in almost as soon as he arrived. I forget why I let him out. Probably because people kept replying to him and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing some crucial text that got snipped.
On 24 Mar 2024 19:03:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24 Mar 2024 15:36:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-24, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
It's an insignifcant sample but it is an example of neanderthal
thinking. 'D' seems to be trying to take over trolling this group.
Yeah. I'm thinking of putting him back in the killfile.
Have you already put him in and taken him out again? I thought he was
very new here, as in a month or so.
I put him in almost as soon as he arrived. I forget why I let him out.
Probably because people kept replying to him and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing some crucial text that got snipped.
I don't killfile much, but I have some people automatically marked
read. Sometimes I'll read them anyway, but often I don't. His views
are so extreme that he becomes a caricature.
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
What freedoms are you lacking?
Many! Freedom to keep my property, freedom to own a gun, freedom to drink >>>> when and where I please, freedom to move around physically as long as it >>>> is not on someone elses private property, freedom to use any substance I >>>> like etc. Shall I continue?
Trifles. If you want to own a gun, you should move to a less
civilized country.
Out of curiosity, why can't you keep your property? Unwilling
to pay the price of civilization?
I thought you lacked substantive freedoms, not the freedom to make
a self-destructive nuisance of yourself. (Considering your behavior
here, I don't know what that should surprise me.)
I'd like the freedom to shit on trump's face, but that's probably
unconstitutional.
It would be assault. A state crime, not a federal crime. And
certainly not unconstitutional.
On 2024-03-24 3:03 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:I wonder what Tom Lehrer in his prime would have made of him.
On 2024-03-24, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
math is hard! they complain that they don't want to
do what they're told, but they're doing what the FUXNEWTS
talking heads tell them to do. yes, they're truely wise
intelligent beings who should be elected to public offices
like MTG and the pillow guy and the great orange lump.
all failures.
Folks, the movie of our lives is "MAGA vs the SLOBBOTS". Think of a
modern Japanese monster movie.
MAGA - Make America Great Again!
It's already great. Not perfect, but we're working on that.
SLOBBOTS - Self LOBotomized Biden robOTS
Has it occurred to you that we all were like this before Biden
was elected?
Coming soon to a theater near you!
Oh, and remember, satire and comedy are dead arts. :(
You just can't satirize Trump. Everything he says sounds like it
came straight from The Onion.
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor
up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of
my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis
. This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one
is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor
up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , that's
HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of my system
... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis . This is
not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know it's ready
when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one is resting in
the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's cooling slowly .
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor
up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp/B07DKXNW2M/>
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure an
eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor
up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp/B07DKXNW2M/>
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure an
eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork butt.
Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you could truly fit a 10
lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it would not be anything like
what he's talking about.
Jill
Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll doctor
up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , that's
HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of my system
... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis . This is
not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know it's ready
when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one is resting in
the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's cooling slowly .
I don't have the right type of smoker for that job.
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of
my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis
. This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one
is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is
going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of
my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis
. This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one
is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a 2x2
foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it smokes
and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it .
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one
is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a
2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it
smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it .
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic, but
will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
"If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
comparing mushrooms with truffles ...
You toss that butt into the crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire
at 8:00 , put the butt on at around 8:45 . I was up until almost
midnight getting the temp stabilized - my smoker is getting old and
leaky - and finicky . Up at 3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it
was down to about 180°F . Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and
walk the dog - check temps again and add some more (lump hardwood)
charcoal .
A couple or 3 more checks during the day while I'm machining parts
for a milling machine upgrade . I shut all vents on the smoker around
4:30 to let it cool slowly .
Now , is that slow-cooker butt worth this kind of effort ? IMO , if it
wasn't worth the effort , my wife would be cooking these butts in the
crock pot . YMMV
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:.
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to
the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when
you can pull the bone out clean .
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate >>>> it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a 2x2 >>> foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it smokes and >>> awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it .
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic, but
will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when you can pull the bone out clean .
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate >>>>> it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a
2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it
smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it . >>>
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my
grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in
tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to
the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when
you can pull the bone out clean .
I'm curious about the brown sugar. Doesn't it make it too sweet?
On 3/26/2024 8:14 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2024 4:20 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll >>>>>>>>>>> doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , >>>>>>>>> that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that >>>>>>>>> out of
my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to >>>>>>>>> Memphis
. This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's >>>>>>>>> cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked >>>>>>>> Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not >>>>>>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to
replicate
it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about >>>>>> a 2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but
it smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants >>>>>> it .
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all
my grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it
in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage
bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on
to the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking . >>>> I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when >>>> you can pull the bone out clean .
I'm curious about the brown sugar. Doesn't it make it too sweet?
Surprisingly enough no it doesn't . The sugar caramelizes and forms
a "bark" that seals all the tasty juices inside .
I use brown sugar on brisket too. Lots of black pepper, salt,
granulated garlic.
The local supermarket had a whole brisket but at $87, I passed.
On 3/26/2024 4:20 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , >>>>>>>> that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's >>>>>>>> cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not >>>>>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to
replicate
it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a >>>>> 2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it
smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it . >>>>
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my
grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it
in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage
bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on
to the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when
you can pull the bone out clean .
I'm curious about the brown sugar. Doesn't it make it too sweet?
Surprisingly enough no it doesn't . The sugar caramelizes and forms a "bark" that seals all the tasty juices inside .
On 3/24/2024 8:39 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
old people.
Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't
like it when folks called them trailers.
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife
is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure an
eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork butt.
Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you could truly fit a
10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it would not be anything
like what he's talking about.
Jill
On 3/26/2024 4:20 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , >>>>>>>> that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's >>>>>>>> cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not >>>>>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate >>>>>> it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a 2x2 >>>>> foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it smokes >>>>> and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it . >>>>
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic, but >>>> will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my
grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in
tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a piece >>> of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to the
smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when you >>> can pull the bone out clean .
I'm curious about the brown sugar. Doesn't it make it too sweet?
Surprisingly enough no it doesn't . The sugar caramelizes and forms a
"bark" that seals all the tasty juices inside .
On 3/25/2024 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My
wife is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad
and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp /B07DKXNW2M/>
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure
an eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork butt.
Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you could truly fit
a 10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it would not be
anything like what he's talking about.
Jill
"If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
comparing mushrooms with truffles ... You toss that butt into the
crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire at 8:00 , put the butt on at
around 8:45 . I was up until almost midnight getting the temp
stabilized - my smoker is getting old and leaky - and finicky . Up at
3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it was down to about 180°F .
Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and walk the dog - check
temps again and add some more (lump hardwood) charcoal . A couple or
3 more checks during the day while I'm machining parts for a milling
machine upgrade . I shut all vents on the smoker around 4:30 to let
it cool slowly . Now , is that slow-cooker butt worth this kind of
effort ? IMO , if it wasn't worth the effort , my wife would be
cooking these butts in the crock pot . YMMV
Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:/B07DKXNW2M/>
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My
wife is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad
and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure
an eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork butt.
Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you could truly fit
a 10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it would not be
anything like what he's talking about.
Jill
Hi Snag, note I was NOT talking a dry rub smoked deal. All I said was
I use a crockpot to make oulled pork. The generic term 'pulled pork'
doesn't indicate method of cooking. Since I specifically said 'using a crockpot' it obviously was not the same dish. I did not compare the
dishes.
"If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
comparing mushrooms with truffles ... You toss that butt into the
crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire at 8:00 , put the butt on at
around 8:45 . I was up until almost midnight getting the temp
stabilized - my smoker is getting old and leaky - and finicky . Up at
3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it was down to about 180°F .
Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and walk the dog - check
temps again and add some more (lump hardwood) charcoal . A couple or
3 more checks during the day while I'm machining parts for a milling
machine upgrade . I shut all vents on the smoker around 4:30 to let
it cool slowly . Now , is that slow-cooker butt worth this kind of
effort ? IMO , if it wasn't worth the effort , my wife would be
cooking these butts in the crock pot . YMMV
I've smoked them in the past when I had a nice smoker but it didn't
last from 1996 to now. Jill likes to 'add' to things that the person
didn't say. Try to not get caught up in it. Shr didn't ask what size
my actual crockpot is. I only 'looks like this one' which shows the
color and dial. Mine is a 12 qt. With no trimming though a 10qt might
fit a 8lb butt. Trimmed, (aka be boned and cut ends off then put those
to the sides, probably manage to get a 10lb butt in there. We don't
need that much meat.
(some snippage)
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
The term "goat barn" originated with Sheldon. For some reason heI used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
old people.
Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as
trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't
like it when folks called them trailers.
Code for most of Florida in recent years is for 150 mph winds. Usually tornadoes are EF0 or EF1. If you have a basement here it is a swimming pool or indoor pond.
On 3/26/2024 11:07 AM, Ed P wrote:
Code for most of Florida in recent years is for 150 mph winds. Usually
tornadoes are EF0 or EF1. If you have a basement here it is a swimming >> pool or indoor pond.
Tornados are not very common where I live now. Nor basements in homes
built on these sea islands. I remember Sheldon claiming the best place
to go during a hurricane was a basement. Uh, that would be wrong. The
last place you want to be is *underground* if there is a storm surge.
On 3/24/2024 8:39 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for old
people.
Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't like it when folks called them trailers.
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know
it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's
cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate >>>> it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a
2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it
smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it .
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic, but
will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to the smoker
. I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when you can pull the bone out clean .
On 3/26/2024 11:07 AM, Ed P wrote:
(some snippage)
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
The term "goat barn" originated with Sheldon. For some reason he couldn't stand the idea of a house being built on a slab. Fat lot of good having a basement did him when he could no longer climb stairs.I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
old people.
Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as
trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't >>> like it when folks called them trailers.
Code for most of Florida in recent years is for 150 mph winds. Usually
tornadoes are EF0 or EF1. If you have a basement here it is a
swimming pool or indoor pond.
Tornados are not very common where I live now. Nor basements in homes
built on these sea islands. I remember Sheldon claiming the best place to
go during a hurricane was a basement. Uh, that would be wrong. The last place you want to be is *underground* if there is a storm surge.
Jill
On 3/26/2024 8:14 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2024 4:20 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll >>>>>>>>>>> doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned , >>>>>>>>> that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's >>>>>>>>> cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked >>>>>>>> Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not >>>>>>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate >>>>>>> it at home.
I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about a >>>>>> 2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it >>>>>> smokes and awesome butt .
I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants it . >>>>>
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all my >>>> grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it in >>>> tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle . >>>> I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to >>>> the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready when >>>> you can pull the bone out clean .
I'm curious about the brown sugar. Doesn't it make it too sweet?
Surprisingly enough no it doesn't . The sugar caramelizes and forms a
"bark" that seals all the tasty juices inside .
I use brown sugar on brisket too. Lots of black pepper, salt, granulated garlic.
The local supermarket had a whole brisket but at $87, I passed.
Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:/B07DKXNW2M/>
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My
wife is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad
and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
<https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33195-Extra-Large-Capacity/dp
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty sure
an eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork butt.
Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you could truly fit
a 10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it would not be
anything like what he's talking about.
Jill
Hi Snag, note I was NOT talking a dry rub smoked deal. All I said was
I use a crockpot to make oulled pork. The generic term 'pulled pork'
doesn't indicate method of cooking. Since I specifically said 'using a crockpot' it obviously was not the same dish. I did not compare the
dishes.
"If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
comparing mushrooms with truffles ... You toss that butt into the
crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire at 8:00 , put the butt on at
around 8:45 . I was up until almost midnight getting the temp
stabilized - my smoker is getting old and leaky - and finicky . Up at
3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it was down to about 180°F .
Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and walk the dog - check
temps again and add some more (lump hardwood) charcoal . A couple or
3 more checks during the day while I'm machining parts for a milling
machine upgrade . I shut all vents on the smoker around 4:30 to let
it cool slowly . Now , is that slow-cooker butt worth this kind of
effort ? IMO , if it wasn't worth the effort , my wife would be
cooking these butts in the crock pot . YMMV
I've smoked them in the past when I had a nice smoker but it didn't
last from 1996 to now. Jill likes to 'add' to things that the person
didn't say. Try to not get caught up in it. Shr didn't ask what size
my actual crockpot is. I only 'looks like this one' which shows the
color and dial. Mine is a 12 qt. With no trimming though a 10qt might
fit a 8lb butt. Trimmed, (aka be boned and cut ends off then put those
to the sides, probably manage to get a 10lb butt in there. We don't
need that much meat.
Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:05 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/25/2024 9:53 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 12:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 5:56 PM, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2024 3:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My wife is >>>>>>>>> going to make some of her fantastic potato salad and I'll
doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
Well , to each his/her own I guess . As far as I'm concerned ,
that's HERESY ! HERESY I TELL YOU . OK now I've gotten that out of >>>>>>> my system ... I got hooked on smoked pork when we moved to Memphis >>>>>>> . This is not "BBQ" this is dry rubbed and smoked meat . You know >>>>>>> it's ready when you can pull the bone out of the roast . This one >>>>>>> is resting in the smoker now , I've closed the vents and it's >>>>>>> cooling slowly .
Don't mind Carol. :)Â I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not >>>>>> something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to
replicate
it at home.
  I started out with a Brinkman Smoke-n-grill ... takes up about >>>> a 2x2 foot space . Takes more tending than the bigger units , but it
smokes and awesome butt .
  I'd be happy to share my SnagRub recipe again if any one wants >>>> it .
I cheat and use gas with wood chips.
My rub, after coating with mustard, it mostly salt, pepper, garlic,
but will add some others depending on the mood.
Sauce is a North Carolina style cider vinegar.
If you're happy with the results who am I to criticize ? I do all
my grilling with a gas unit .
My recipe is :
SnagRub
5 onion powder
2 garlic powder
1 paprika
2 salt
4 chili powder
6 brown sugar
Units of measure up to you , teaspoons or cups ... I usually do it
in tablespoons and double it because that amount fits my storage bottle .
I rinse the meat off and shake off excess moisture . Lay meat on a
piece of foil and coat all but the fat side well with rub , then on to
the smoker . I leave the foil under the meat while it's smoking .
I smoke at 200° to 220° around 2 hours per pound . It's ready
when you can pull the bone out clean .
What do you use to pull it? A couple of forks, or something fancier (and hopefully quicker)?
BryanGSimmons wrote:
On 3/24/2024 8:39 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Mike Duffy wrote:Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
old people.
;
trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't
like it when folks called them trailers.
*ANYTHING* sucks in a tornado except a concrete underground shelter.
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
costs.
On 3/26/2024 7:33 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
BryanGSimmons wrote:
On 3/24/2024 8:39 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Mike Duffy wrote:Goat barns suck in tornadoes, though they're no where near as bad as
On 2024-03-24, Hank Rogers wrote:
Snag wrote:
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage
cellar under the dining room/kitchen.
It is a cabin by royal standards.
If it has a 'A'-shaped roof I think it's a 'chalet'.
I used to think no cellar meant a 'cottage', but
Ed explained that's means it's a goat barn.
I like goat barns. Less work climbing up stairs, so they're great for
old people.
;
trailers. My oldest brother sold "mobile homes" for years. He didn't >>> like it when folks called them trailers.
*ANYTHING* sucks in a tornado except a concrete underground shelter.
Or rebar reinforced block walls .
jmcquown wrote:...
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank and
could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But propane
costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies , but it's
mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:24:40 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Josh didn't have any. Don and I were watching his dog, Prince when he
was at work. Then one day he didn't pickup hime so we called and he
said he was really sick and might go to the hospital and asked us to
keep him. Josh never made it home. he was about 34-35, no
preconditions, healthy and a cycler plus ran marathons locally. He
died just as vaccines came out, too late for him.
What's Snag going to make of this? Maybe "they" got to the guy.
On 3/26/2024 11:16 AM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2024 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 3/25/2024 1:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/24/2024 4:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
I put a 10 pound pork butt on the smoker last night . My
wife is going to make some of her fantastic potato salad
and I'll doctor up some canned baked beans .
I adore these but use a crockpot.
You've got a crock pot that will hold a 10 pound pork butt?
Jill
So do I. Large oval. Looks like this one.
/B07DKXNW2M/>
That's what I use when I make pulled port butts, I'm pretty
sure an eight QT unit would work too with a smaller butt.
I think you missed the point. Snag is talking a 10 lb. pork
butt. Rubbed with dry seasonings and smoked. Even if you
could truly fit a 10 lb. pork butt into a 10 quart crockpot it
would not be anything like what he's talking about.
Jill
Hi Snag, note I was NOT talking a dry rub smoked deal. All I said
was I use a crockpot to make oulled pork. The generic term 'pulled
pork' doesn't indicate method of cooking. Since I specifically
said 'using a crockpot' it obviously was not the same dish. I did
not compare the dishes.
"If you have to ask , you wouldn't understand ." Carol , you're
comparing mushrooms with truffles ... You toss that butt into the crockpot and walk away . I lit the fire at 8:00 , put the butt on
at around 8:45 . I was up until almost midnight getting the temp stabilized - my smoker is getting old and leaky - and finicky .
Up at 3:00 to check temps and adjust a bit , it was down to about
180°F . Up as usual at 6:15 to put the coffee on and walk the
dog - check temps again and add some more (lump hardwood)
charcoal . A couple or 3 more checks during the day while I'm
machining parts for a milling machine upgrade . I shut all vents
on the smoker around 4:30 to let it cool slowly . Now , is that slow-cooker butt worth this kind of effort ? IMO , if it wasn't
worth the effort , my wife would be cooking these butts in the
crock pot . YMMV
I've smoked them in the past when I had a nice smoker but it didn't
last from 1996 to now. Jill likes to 'add' to things that the
person didn't say. Try to not get caught up in it. Shr didn't ask
what size my actual crockpot is. I only 'looks like this one'
which shows the color and dial. Mine is a 12 qt. With no trimming
though a 10qt might fit a 8lb butt. Trimmed, (aka be boned and cut
ends off then put those to the sides, probably manage to get a 10lb
butt in there. We don't need that much meat.
I see your point about comparisons ... and we don't need that much
meat all at once , I portion and freeze it for later . 10 ounces make
2 very nice sandwiches .
Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:24:40 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 3:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
Your message brightened my day. I'm going to call the widow of my
friend that died from Covid and let her know you are doing well.
He caught it at work. I bet she was over reacting but you put in
into perspective for us.
What other conditions did your friend have ? Did he die in a
hospital ?
Josh didn't have any. Don and I were watching his dog, Prince when he >>>was at work. Then one day he didn't pickup hime so we called and he
said he was really sick and might go to the hospital and asked us to
keep him. Josh never made it home. he was about 34-35, no >>>preconditions, healthy and a cycler plus ran marathons locally. He
died just as vaccines came out, too late for him.
What's Snag going to make of this? Maybe "they" got to the guy.
unfortunately we also had several younger (the age ranged
from mid 30s to 50s) friends that also died from the virus. no
preconditions either for them. the saddest part is that some
of them were health care folks who were on the front line trying
to help people but they had no treatments at first and were
having to try to learn it as they went.
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on
the costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
Considering facts like this, it's weird how people can still be in
denial. And why always right wingers?
Snag wrote:
...heating with wood...
We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and
telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank and
could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But propane
costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies , but it's
mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .
i also need the exercise but heating with wood doesn't
work for us. both of us have no tolerance for smoke of
any quantity, plus i really should not mess around with
chainsaws and axes. so i limit my exercise to the gardens
and shovelling snow and hiking once in a while if i can
actually get away.
i do use a pair of loppers and a limbing saw to cut
some small stuff down but generally i have to leave the
big trees to the people with the right equipment.
most trees here i'm willing to let live and die in
their own way. i think that leaving some standing dead
wood is worth it because it does provide food and homes
for various other creatures.
songbird
Anyways, that's my simple rendition. I'd like the details of your dry
rub just to drool over?
On 3/27/2024 12:39 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
i've had it too, it's not like people don't travel...
it makes wonderful pizza.
songbird (with bbq sauce...
Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut we
sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a totally >different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some of my smoked
butt !
cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:...
Don't mind Carol. :) I doubt she's ever had dry rubbed smoked
Memphis style "BBQ", brisket or otherwise. It's definitely not
something that can be cooked in a crockpot.
Jill
Lol! I've had it plenty of times but don't have the gear to replicate
it at home.
i've had it too, it's not like people don't travel...
it makes wonderful pizza.
songbird (with bbq sauce...
it makes wonderful pizza.
songbird (with bbq sauce...
Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut we
sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a totally different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some of my smoked
butt !
On 3/27/2024 1:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
Anyways, that's my simple rendition. I'd like the details of your
dry rub just to drool over?
I posted the "recipe" somewhere in this thread .
Snag wrote:
songbird wrote:
...
it makes wonderful pizza.
songbird (with bbq sauce...
Now I had not thought about pizza ! When I worked for Pizza Slut
we sold a BBQ pizza . Total crap IMO . But dry smoked pork is a
totally different critter . I'm going to have to try it with some
of my smoked butt !
the key is not using a tomato sauce on the crust but
using bbq sauce or some other light sauce or no sauce
at all.
i always like a lot of onions so those go really well
with the pork.
songbird
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the
costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?
On 3/24/2024 2:55 PM, cshenk wrote:
Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2024 12:38 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-03-23, D wrote:
So the amount of energy from the sun that hits us is about
100x more than the energy content of the fossil fuel we
burn.
Would that have any effect at all on the climate?
Your climate 'model' ignores that the sun does not put
methane & carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Also, heat from tidal friction is about 10 * insolation,
and heat from radionucleide decay about 10 * tidal friction.
We were talking fossil fuel here, not climate models.
No , we were talking about heating with wood . Which we do , with
a propane backup for times we aren't home for a couple of days in
winter . Jill is correct we live in a clearing out in the woods .
Not exactly a "cabin" though . 1500 sf with vaulted ceiling in
the dining room/kitchen and a storm/storage cellar under the
dining room/kitchen .
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on
the costs.
We're not exactly off grid , since we do have power , water , and telephone/internet . We are in a heavily wooded area which makes it a
natural to heat with wood . We also have a 250 gallon propane tank
and could use that for heat if I wanted to install a furnace . But
propane costs money , firewood costs a little for fuel and supplies ,
but it's mostly labor . Which is OK , I need the exercise .
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the >>>> costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?
can you not read?
...heating with wood...
so in that context "works much better" => heating with
wood.
songbird
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area. Others will
try to pretend you can use others means but are clueless really on the >>>> costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane for what?
can you not read?
...heating with wood...
so in that context "works much better" => heating with
wood.
songbird
On 3/28/2024 11:14 PM, songbird wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area.
Others will try to pretend you can use others means but are
clueless really on the costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane
for what?
can you not read?
...heating with wood...
so in that context "works much better" => heating with
wood.
songbird
That depends ... we use a wall mounted radiant propane heater for
when it's not cold enough for a fire and for when we're out of town
during freezing weather . It's either too warm or not warm enough and
the temps are not uniform in the main part of the house (it's
basically one big room living/dining/kitchen) . The wood stove
maintains a uniform temp except for the bedroom , which we like cool
anyway .
Snag wrote:
On 3/28/2024 11:14 PM, songbird wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
On 3/27/2024 1:48 PM, songbird wrote:
cshenk wrote:
...heating with wood...
Yup, assume you are well off grid in a very woody area.
Others will try to pretend you can use others means but are
clueless really on the costs.
as you get older you may reach a point where a propane
tank works much better (and is also much cleaner and safer).
songbird
There is so much snippage in this thread I have to ask, propane
for what?
can you not read?
...heating with wood...
so in that context "works much better" => heating with
wood.
songbird
That depends ... we use a wall mounted radiant propane heater for
when it's not cold enough for a fire and for when we're out of town
during freezing weather . It's either too warm or not warm enough and
the temps are not uniform in the main part of the house (it's
basically one big room living/dining/kitchen) . The wood stove
maintains a uniform temp except for the bedroom , which we like cool
anyway .
Sounds cozy! Friend of mine, Charlie Wright has a whole house wood
heater.
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