Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet, too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet, too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet,
too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
GM wrote:
I had a lovely turkey club sammich mit fries from a fave local place, Frida's:
"Turkey Club $15.00
Sliced turkey breast, bacon, lettuce, tomato with mayonnaise served
on white toast"
It was a LOT of food, so I have half the sammich and fries left over
for the weekend...
A club sammich is a very "basic" thing, but everything about this was
spot - on perfect.
Wish I could "zap" some of this good grub down to ya, Joan...!!!
;-D
Every year my financial adviser has group meetings for his clients and invites people from Medicare, Social Security, lawyers, etc. to offer
advise and answer questions. The meetings are besides the regular
the holiday dinners.
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet,
too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-16, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
Every year my financial adviser has group meetings for his clients and
invites people from Medicare, Social Security, lawyers, etc. to offer
advise and answer questions. The meetings are besides the regular
the holiday dinners.
Goodness. My financial advisor doesn't bother spending the fees IThese meetings are quite enlightening more so for some than others.
pay them on feeding me. We just have meetings.
The one from an attorney concerning wills vs. trusts, quit claims,
and taxes was quite interesting. Whereas the one with a Social Security representative was very eye opening when I realized a good many in the meeting were clueless. These were folks who are fast approaching
retirement age a few that were already retired!
Individual meetings are also held each year, but no lunch is offered.
I'd be willing to bet the money spent on meetings with food and
holiday dinners is tax deductible.
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite
size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that
skillet, too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the
meal.
D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size
pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet,
too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
I had a starter of Foie gras with brioche, then black angus ribeye from
Uruguay and for desert a chocolate fondant and a coffee at my favourite
steak house. Almost spiritual!
Very nice... and so you've not gone the "green way" of eating...do you not feel "guilty"...???
:-)
I am reading that "Our Betters" (especially those of the "World Economic Forum", led by Herr Klaus Schwab) want to ban meat production for "climate change" reasons:
WEF founder Klaus Schwab: Must prepare for an angrier world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTnkzl3K64
MORE:...
Great Food Reset: Irish Gov’t Seeks to Sacrifice 200,000 Cows To Reach Net Zero Climate Goals – Kerry targets U.S. farmers Next!
Leaked documents suggest the Irish government is planning to cull 65,000 cows a year for the next three years, at a cost of 200million euros a year, to meet its climate targets. Get ready for more, not less, of this insanity..."
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-16, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
Every year my financial adviser has group meetings for his clients and
invites people from Medicare, Social Security, lawyers, etc. to offer
advise and answer questions. The meetings are besides the regular
the holiday dinners.
Goodness. My financial advisor doesn't bother spending the fees IThese meetings are quite enlightening more so for some than others.
pay them on feeding me. We just have meetings.
The one from an attorney concerning wills vs. trusts, quit claims,
and taxes was quite interesting.
Individual meetings are also held each year, but no lunch is offered.
I'd be willing to bet the money spent on meetings with food and
holiday dinners is tax deductible.
On 2024-03-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-16, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
Goodness. My financial advisor doesn't bother spending the fees I
pay them on feeding me. We just have meetings.
I'm my own financial advisor. So far, so good. I see that you spell
"advisor" the way I learned it.
My slrn spellchecker displays it in red.
They ought to fix that!
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
It was not a subway sandwich. Reading comprehension is still important
On 2024-03-16, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
Oh, well, I can see why you'd hate to miss free Subway.
Individual meetings are also held each year, but no lunch is offered.
as you age.
For the information we receive, it was worth him taking a tax deduction.I'd be willing to bet the money spent on meetings with food andDoesn't matter. It'd still be my money they were spending. It's
holiday dinners is tax deductible.
a tax deduction, not a tax credit.
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have nothing against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in private
jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in europe, and are literally talking about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
On 2024-03-16, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
Goodness. My financial advisor doesn't bother spending the fees I
pay them on feeding me. We just have meetings.
Your dinner plans for Friday?
I'm late posting this and I'm late heading to the kitchen. But here
it's going to a smoked sausage link that has been sliced into bite size pieces and browned. Potatoes and sliced onions will hit that skillet,
too. Maybe a small skillet of cornbread to round out the meal.
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have nothing
against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in private
jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in europe, and are
literally talking about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will soon
be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal fired ovens.
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have nothing
against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in private
jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in europe, and are
literally talking about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will soon
be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal fired ovens.
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have nothing
against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in private
jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in europe, and are
literally talking about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will soon
be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal fired ovens.
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have nothing >>>> against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in private
jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in europe, and are >>>> literally talking about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will soon
be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal fired ovens.
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other day and
apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who live in the
country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to
using *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has
gone "green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
On 3/17/2024 9:31 AM, GM wrote:
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to
using *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has
gone "green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
We had a woman at work that grew up in Austria before the war. She said Hitler was a good guy, he made sure they had firewood. Besides, it was
only some Jews that got hurt.
On 3/17/2024 9:31 AM, GM wrote:
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to
using *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has
gone "green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
We had a woman at work that grew up in Austria before the war. She said Hitler was a good guy, he made sure they had firewood. Besides, it was
only some Jews that got hurt.
On 2024-03-17 10:15 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 9:31 AM, GM wrote:
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to using >>> *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has gone
"green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
We had a woman at work that grew up in Austria before the war. She said
Hitler was a good guy, he made sure they had firewood. Besides, it was
only some Jews that got hurt.
She sounds like my sister in law. She was born and raised in Vienna. She was about 5 when the war started. She said that Hitler was their hero. He had turned the economy around. People were working and prospering again. He built roads and other infrastructure and united the German people. But.... then he got carried away and things went all to Hell on them.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other day and
apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who live in the
country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to using *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has gone "green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
The model nation for centrist liberals is in political and economic turmoil.
declared ‘book of the year’ by the Guardian, the New Statesman and The
Even though 2024 is just a few weeks old, Germany has already been rocked by huge farmers’ protests, with thousands of tractors blocking cities and
worst economic performance last year of any major economy. In the year ahead, it is predicted to have the slowest growth in the G20, apart from Argentina...
The results of the 'Energiewende' have been stark. Electricity prices rose by 50 per cent between 2006 and 2017, giving Germany the most expensive
It would have been possible for the political class to denounce the AfD’s more hardline elements while acknowledging the public’s anger and addressing
some of their concerns. But instead of trying to win back the voters they have been shedding, the mainstream parties have tried to draw up a cordon sanitaire between themselves and the populist upstarts. Mainstream parties refuse to work with the AfD, even at the local level...
Rather than being valorised as a model nation, perhaps Germany ought to be seen as a cautionary tale – of how a cosy elite consensus, untroubled by democracy, can take even a powerful, successful country to the brink..."
On 3/17/2024 10:15 AM, Ed P wrote:
We had a woman at work that grew up in Austria before the war. SheA long time poster (RIP Margaret Suran) fled Austria with her parents
said Hitler was a good guy, he made sure they had firewood. Besides,
it was only some Jews that got hurt.
and siblings just ahead of being rounded up and put into concentration camps. Yeah, Hitler was a great guy. <snork> A syphilis ridden brain addled dictator. He got the trains running on time... the death trains.
On 3/17/2024 10:15 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 9:31 AM, GM wrote:A long time poster (RIP Margaret Suran) fled Austria with her parents
In the German countryside I've read instances of people reverting to
using *wood* for their primary heating source, as the German state has
gone "green" and fuel prices have risen astronomically...!!!
We had a woman at work that grew up in Austria before the war. She said
Hitler was a good guy, he made sure they had firewood. Besides, it was
only some Jews that got hurt.
and siblings just ahead of being rounded up and put into concentration
camps. Yeah, Hitler was a great guy. <snork> A syphilis ridden brain
addled dictator. He got the trains running on time... the death trains.
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have
nothing against, but climate change has reached levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in
private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in
europe, and are literally talking about crushing the livelihood
of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will
soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal
fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other
day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who
live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more restrictions
on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with wood stoves.
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have
nothing against, but climate change has reached levels of mass
hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in
private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in
europe, and are literally talking about crushing the livelihood
of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will
soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal
fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other
day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who
live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more restrictions
on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000 homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average of a 30 foot
tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect in 1 small
California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car dwarf a single
wood burning fireplace.
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and
breathing problems from it?
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have
nothing against, but climate change has reached levels of mass
hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in
private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in
europe, and are literally talking about crushing the livelihood
of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will
soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal
fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire
place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other
day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who
live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more restrictions
on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a bucket
compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000 homes with
functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average of a 30 foot
tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect in 1 small
California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car dwarf a single
wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to save
your soul! ;)
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I have
nothing against, but climate change has reached levels of mass
hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around in
private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the people in
europe, and are literally talking about crushing the livelihood
of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City will >>>>>> soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired or coal
fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;) In
sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in the fire >>>>> place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other
day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but many people who
live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more restrictions
on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a bucket
compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000 homes with
functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average of a 30 foot
tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect in 1 small
California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car dwarf a single
wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to save
your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and breathing problems from it?
On 2024-03-17 7:54 p.m., Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There are
alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and
breathing problems from it?
It certainly is a pollution issue around here. I am in a rural area and
some of my neighbours use wood stoves to heat. When it starts getting
cold and people start burning that wood in the evening you can certainly smell it.
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I
have nothing against, but climate change has reached
levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying
around in private jets btw.) have lost all connection
with the people in europe, and are literally talking
about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York
City will soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood
fired or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure.
;) In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a
fire in the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague the other day and apparently that is illegal in
germany, but many people who live in the country side do it
anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes
with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an
average of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that
environmental effect in 1 small California wildfire. The
emmisions from a single car dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate
change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the
politicians to save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There
are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and breathing problems from it?
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I
have nothing against, but climate change has reached levels
of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around
in private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the
people in europe, and are literally talking about crushing
the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City
will soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired
or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;)
In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in
the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague
the other day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but
many people who live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with
wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average
of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect
in 1 small California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car
dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment
I have nothing against, but climate change has reached
levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying
around in private jets btw.) have lost all connection
with the people in europe, and are literally talking
about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York
City will soon be cracking down on businesses that use
wood fired or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure.
;) In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a
fire in the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a
german colleague the other day and apparently that is
illegal in germany, but many people who live in the country
side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes
with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in
a bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated
500,000 homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They
burn an average of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect in 1 small California wildfire. The
emmisions from a single car dwarf a single wood burning
fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate
change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the
politicians to save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard.
There are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution?
Lung and breathing problems from it?
Depends on the level of polution. Yes, I think it is ok to have cars.
Yes, I think it is ok to use your fireplace.
D wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average
of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect
in 1 small California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car
dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I
have nothing against, but climate change has reached
levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying
around in private jets btw.) have lost all connection
with the people in europe, and are literally talking
about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York
City will soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood
fired or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure.
;) In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a
fire in the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a german
colleague the other day and apparently that is illegal in
germany, but many people who live in the country side do it
anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes
with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an
average of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that
environmental effect in 1 small California wildfire. The
emmisions from a single car dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate
change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the
politicians to save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There
are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and
breathing problems from it?
Compare it to a car. A single car produces FAR more pollution than any fireplace will. Lets ignore the 18 wheelers all over the place.
Yes, it's worth it in comparison.
On 2024-03-18 3:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Compare it to a car. A single car produces FAR more pollution than any
fireplace will. Lets ignore the 18 wheelers all over the place.
Yes, it's worth it in comparison.
There is one snag there. It is not even close to true. A German article >reported that fireplaces caused more emissions than all the cars
combined. Car emissions there totalled 6,800 tonnes of emissions while
fire places cause 18,600 tonnes.
https://www.green-zones.eu/en/blog-news/heating-with-wood-more-harmful-than-car-exhaust-fumes
"
“Ecodesign” wood burning stoves produce 450 times more toxic air >pollution than gas central heating, according to new data published in a >report from Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England.
Older stoves, now banned from sale, produce 3,700 times more, while
electric heating produces none, the report said."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/08/eco-wood-burners-produce-450-times-more-pollution-than-gas-heating-report
D wrote:
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I
have nothing against, but climate change has reached levels
of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying around
in private jets btw.) have lost all connection with the
people in europe, and are literally talking about crushing
the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York City
will soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood fired
or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure. ;)
In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a fire in
the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a german colleague
the other day and apparently that is illegal in germany, but
many people who live in the country side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes with
wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an average
of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that environmental effect
in 1 small California wildfire. The emmisions from a single car
dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
D wrote:
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate change
hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the politicians to
save your soul! ;)
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
True. That is very sad. =( I feel even more sad when I see in the news
that young children are sent to therapy for climate fear. It's terrifying >that the media should be allowed to hurt young children that way.
D wrote:
https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment
I have nothing against, but climate change has reached
levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying
around in private jets btw.) have lost all connection
with the people in europe, and are literally talking
about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York
City will soon be cracking down on businesses that use
wood fired or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure.
;) In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a
fire in the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a
german colleague the other day and apparently that is
illegal in germany, but many people who live in the country
side do it anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes
with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in
a bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated
500,000 homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They
burn an average of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that
environmental effect in 1 small California wildfire. The
emmisions from a single car dwarf a single wood burning
fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate
change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the
politicians to save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard.
There are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution?
Lung and breathing problems from it?
Depends on the level of polution. Yes, I think it is ok to have cars.
Yes, I think it is ok to use your fireplace.
We don't even cut down trees for wood here. Enough comes down in
storms or becomes diseased and has to be cut down to protect houses,
electric and cable lines or roadways. Enterprising folks cut it to
smaller pieces and split it then sell the results. This is more environmentally friendly than throwing it in landfill. Some gets
mulched and sold as natural mulch for yard or landscaping purposes.
Also sawdust for the 6 horse farms plus animal bedding uses.
On 2024-03-18 3:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/17/2024 6:18 PM, D wrote:https://www.nysun.com/article/uproar-as-new-york-approves-rule-cracking-down-on-wood-fired-pizzerias-forcing-them-to-spend-big-to-reduce-emissions
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-03-17 6:41 a.m., D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, heyjoe wrote:
D wrote :
Hah, far from it! Reasonable care about the environment I
have nothing against, but climate change has reached
levels of mass hysteria.
What is sad is that the politicians (who are flying
around in private jets btw.) have lost all connection
with the people in europe, and are literally talking
about crushing the livelihood of farmers.
The climate hysteria isn't limited to Europe. New York
City will soon be cracking down on businesses that use wood
fired or coal fired ovens.
Sad... I won't be moving to New York City, that's for sure.
;) In sweden, when visiting, at least I can still light a
fire in the fire place of my apartment. I spoke with a german
colleague the other day and apparently that is illegal in
germany, but many people who live in the country side do it
anyway.
Completely absurd!
Frankly, with all the concern about climate change and carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there are not a lot more
restrictions on burning wood in fireplaces or heating homes
with wood stoves.
Fact is the wood burning fireplace fears aren't even a drop in a
bucket compared to the wildfires. There are an estimated 500,000
homes with functional wood fireplaces in use. They burn an
average of a 30 foot tree a year. We have triple that
environmental effect in 1 small California wildfire. The
emmisions from a single car dwarf a single wood burning fireplace.
Tut, tut, don't come with arguments! Remember that for climate
change hysterics it's all about sacrifice in order for the
politicians to save your soul! ;)
Pollution in some towns from wood burning is a health hazard. There
are alternatives. Do you think it is ok to have pollution? Lung and
breathing problems from it?
Compare it to a car. A single car produces FAR more pollution than any
fireplace will. Lets ignore the 18 wheelers all over the place.
Yes, it's worth it in comparison.
There is one snag there. It is not even close to true. A German article reported that fireplaces caused more emissions than all the cars combined. Car emissions there totalled 6,800 tonnes of emissions while fire places cause 18,600 tonnes.
https://www.green-zones.eu/en/blog-news/heating-with-wood-more-harmful-than-car-exhaust-fumes
"
“Ecodesign” wood burning stoves produce 450 times more toxic air pollution
than gas central heating, according to new data published in a report from Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England.
Older stoves, now banned from sale, produce 3,700 times more, while electric heating produces none, the report said."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/08/eco-wood-burners-produce-450-times-more-pollution-than-gas-heating-report
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the
green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
True. That is very sad. =( I feel even more sad when I see in the news
that young children are sent to therapy for climate fear. It's
terrifying that the media should be allowed to hurt young children that way.
And let's remember that forest fires is a natural phenomenon that is
actually _good_ for the forest. So no need to be afraid of a warm, nice
and beautiful fire in the fireplace during winter. =)
Where I have my country house there so many trees around that you can
always go to the next neighbour or farmer and they'll almost thank you
for taking it back home.
Only negative is that it's mostly pine, which is of course not optimal
for the fireplace if you use it in high quantities.
On 2024-03-18 6:20 p.m., D wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
True. That is very sad. =( I feel even more sad when I see in the news
that young children are sent to therapy for climate fear. It's
terrifying that the media should be allowed to hurt young children
that way.
I am not denying climate change, but it's been changing for years. I
live in the middle of the Niagara Peninsula and the land I live on in
sandy loam. Just to the north of me is the Fonthill Kame, a massivee
deposit of sand and gravel that was left here by the glaciers from the
Ice Age which ended about 15,000 years ago. The polar ice cap been
receding every since.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the >>green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
On 2024-03-18 6:20 p.m., D wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, cshenk wrote:
Grin but some people believe it which is sad.
True. That is very sad. =( I feel even more sad when I see in the news
that young children are sent to therapy for climate fear. It's
terrifying that the media should be allowed to hurt young children that way.
I am not denying climate change, but it's been changing for years. I
live in the middle of the Niagara Peninsula and the land I live on in
sandy loam. Just to the north of me is the Fonthill Kame, a massivee
deposit of sand and gravel that was left here by the glaciers from the
Ice Age which ended about 15,000 years ago. The polar ice cap been
receding every since.
On 2024-03-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the >>>green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political
spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the
Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the
green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
On 2024-03-18 6:22 p.m., D wrote:
And let's remember that forest fires is a natural phenomenon that is
actually _good_ for the forest. So no need to be afraid of a warm, nice and >> beautiful fire in the fireplace during winter. =)
Where I have my country house there so many trees around that you can
always go to the next neighbour or farmer and they'll almost thank you for >> taking it back home.
Only negative is that it's mostly pine, which is of course not optimal for >> the fireplace if you use it in high quantities.
It could be worse. One of the trees I lost was a Larch. Once that stuff tries dries out it weights about 1/3 as much as pine. Then there is the oak tree that fell down across my wife's waling trail. The trunk was about 12" in diameter and hard as a rock. I dulled the blade on my chain saw cutting a dozen logs from that one.
On 2024-03-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the
green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political
spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the
Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-03-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the >>>>> green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political >>>> spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the >>>> Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
Thank you Cindy, I grew up in a country with 102% marginal tax rates. I
know very well the hideous face of socialism, thank you very much.
I'd argue instead that most, if not all, here do _not_ know the true face
of socialism, and that is why you are so apologetic about the lefts
attempts to force it onto people.
In a way I understand you. It sounds great... "let the state fix
everything, the state is good". But take it from me and the 100 of millions >> of where killed by socialism, it is a very bad idea.
Here in the modern West, "socialism" is the "modern" and "soft" type - all dressed up in the pretty colours of "consumer choice", high technology, and the like...
It's not the drab and dreary old socialism of the DDR or the old USSR - but the desired "end results" - the stifling of all opposition - are still similar... and these "end results" are greatly desired by the mainstream (aka "regime") media, most all of education, much government, the US democratic party and its "allies", etc....
I had to take part once in a "DEI" training for work several years ago. When I told the instructor, "You are teaching straight from Marx", she didn't even know who Marx was, lol...
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion
"Diversity, equity, and inclusion (usually abbreviated DEI) are organizational frameworks which seek to promote "the fair treatment and full participation of all people", particularly groups "who have historically been underrepresented or subject to discrimination" on the basis of identity or disability. These three notions (diversity, equity, and inclusion) together represent "three closely linked values" which organizations seek to institutionalize through DEI frameworks... ]
PS: Cindy Hamilton has apparently *greatly* "lowered her standards", seeing she was quoting Miss Bruce on an "ideological point", lol...!!!
;-)
On 2024-03-18, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I am not denying climate change, but it's been changing for years. I
live in the middle of the Niagara Peninsula and the land I live on in
sandy loam. Just to the north of me is the Fonthill Kame, a massivee
deposit of sand and gravel that was left here by the glaciers from the
Ice Age which ended about 15,000 years ago. The polar ice cap been
receding every since.
Yep. What is the rate of change of the rate of change? Constant?
Positive? Negative?
It could be worse. One of the trees I lost was a Larch. Once that
stuff tries dries out it weights about 1/3 as much as pine. Then there
is the oak tree that fell down across my wife's waling trail. The
trunk was about 12" in diameter and hard as a rock. I dulled the blade
on my chain saw cutting a dozen logs from that one.
Oak? Maybe you could have sold that one to a carpenter for some good
cash! =)
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
Thank you Cindy, I grew up in a country with 102% marginal tax rates. I
know very well the hideous face of socialism, thank you very much.
I'd argue instead that most, if not all, here do _not_ know the true
face of socialism, and that is why you are so apologetic about the lefts attempts to force it onto people.
In a way I understand you. It sounds great... "let the state fix
everything, the state is good". But take it from me and the 100 of
millions of where killed by socialism, it is a very bad idea.
Yep. What is the rate of change of the rate of change?
On 2024-03-19 5:44 a.m., D wrote:
It could be worse. One of the trees I lost was a Larch. Once that
stuff tries dries out it weights about 1/3 as much as pine. Then
there is the oak tree that fell down across my wife's waling trail.
The trunk was about 12" in diameter and hard as a rock. I dulled the
blade on my chain saw cutting a dozen logs from that one.
Oak? Maybe you could have sold that one to a carpenter for some good
cash! =)
That is a thought, but it was not my land. The owner has given us
permission to walk back there and to keep the trails clear. It would be
an abuse of his courtesy to be selling his trees. Besides, I don't have
the equipment I would need to drag it out of there.
I have a friend who has a substantial woodlot. He came home for lunch
one day and heard chainsaws in this bush. He went back to check it out
and found a couple guys felling oak trees. They claimed that it was
their grandfather's property and he had given them permission to cut
some oaks to get boards for a winery tasting room they were building.
They were confused about the property line but it is uncertain whether
or not they genuinely misunderstood or if they figured they could get
away with it. If my friend had not gone home for lunch when he did he
would have been unaware.
Yep. What is the rate of change of the rate of change? Constant?
Positive? Negative?
Good question. I am not sure. I was not good enough at math to be able
to explain it in terms that a mathematician would instantly see but I
know that if a large if you fill a very large funnel with sand and let
it empty the sand will flow at a constant rate the level will drop at an
ever increasing rate. The rate of flow is constant but as the diameter decreases that the rate of change of the depth increases.
A similar thing is happening with the ice caps.
On 19 Mar 2024 08:34:49 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-18, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:29:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Also theguardian is a socialist newspaper so they will only harp on the >>>> green agenda and won't let facts come in the way.
"The Guardian generally falls on the center-left side of the political
spectrum." (Wiki)
"The Guardian has historically been linked to the Labour Party and the
Liberal Democrats, both centrist or center-left parties in British
politics" (Wiki)
Just a little correction of this madman's psychobabble :)
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
Yes, they seem to think that socialism means "everything I don't
like".
On 2024-03-19, Dave Smith wrote:
Good question. I am not sure. I was not good enough at math to be able
to explain it in terms that a mathematician would instantly see but I
know that if a large if you fill a very large funnel with sand and let
it empty the sand will flow at a constant rate the level will drop at an
ever increasing rate. The rate of flow is constant but as the diameter
decreases that the rate of change of the depth increases.
There are many factors:
The volume of sand left is proportional to the cube of the
height (or max width) of the cone of remaining sand. Thus even
with a constant flow, the 'speed' if the cone base increases.
With less pressure at the bottom, friction within the sand decreases.
The flow is not compressable, but is also not incompressable, thus
we cannot use the standard flow equations.
A similar thing is happening with the ice caps.
It is hideously more complicated. Any pat observations
on first or even second derivatives is mere hand-waving.
Plus calculations need to be done in spherical coordinates.
On 2024-03-19, Dave Smith wrote:
Good question. I am not sure. I was not good enough at math to be able
to explain it in terms that a mathematician would instantly see but I
know that if a large if you fill a very large funnel with sand and let
it empty the sand will flow at a constant rate the level will drop at an
ever increasing rate. The rate of flow is constant but as the diameter
decreases that the rate of change of the depth increases.
There are many factors:
The volume of sand left is proportional to the cube of the
height (or max width) of the cone of remaining sand. Thus even
with a constant flow, the 'speed' if the cone base increases.
With less pressure at the bottom, friction within the sand decreases.
The flow is not compressable, but is also not incompressable, thus
we cannot use the standard flow equations.
A similar thing is happening with the ice caps.
It is hideously more complicated. Any pat observations
on first or even second derivatives is mere hand-waving.
Plus calculations need to be done in spherical coordinates.
On 2024-03-19 5:44 a.m., D wrote:
It could be worse. One of the trees I lost was a Larch. Once that stuff
tries dries out it weights about 1/3 as much as pine. Then there is the
oak tree that fell down across my wife's waling trail. The trunk was about >>> 12" in diameter and hard as a rock. I dulled the blade on my chain saw
cutting a dozen logs from that one.
Oak? Maybe you could have sold that one to a carpenter for some good cash! >> =)
That is a thought, but it was not my land. The owner has given us permission to walk back there and to keep the trails clear. It would be an abuse of his courtesy to be selling his trees. Besides, I don't have the equipment I would need to drag it out of there.
I have a friend who has a substantial woodlot. He came home for lunch one day and heard chainsaws in this bush. He went back to check it out and found a couple guys felling oak trees. They claimed that it was their grandfather's property and he had given them permission to cut some oaks to get boards for a winery tasting room they were building. They were confused about the property line but it is uncertain whether or not they genuinely misunderstood or if they figured they could get away with it. If my friend had not gone home for lunch when he did he would have been unaware.
On 2024-03-19 5:47 a.m., D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think D should move to the southern U.S. He'd fit right in with
everybody else who don't know what socialism is.
Thank you Cindy, I grew up in a country with 102% marginal tax rates. I
know very well the hideous face of socialism, thank you very much.
I'd argue instead that most, if not all, here do _not_ know the true face
of socialism, and that is why you are so apologetic about the lefts
attempts to force it onto people.
The first time I went to Denmark I was stunned to hear that the sales tax on new cars was 180%. I had been picked up at the airport by a friend who had a new car. He said he paid for three cars but only got one. Apparently the rate has dropped to about 150%.
In a way I understand you. It sounds great... "let the state fix
everything, the state is good". But take it from me and the 100 of millions >> of where killed by socialism, it is a very bad idea.
Yep. Same in Singapore, I think they have a system where the government basically more or less bans you from owning a car with the "fig leaf" of choice despite the ridiculous taxes. Classic socialism. The government dictates and the servant obeys.
The government dictates and the servant obeys.
On 2024-03-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Yep. Same in Singapore, I think they have a system where the government
basically more or less bans you from owning a car with the "fig leaf" of
choice despite the ridiculous taxes. Classic socialism. The government
dictates and the servant obeys.
Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which >advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange
should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
What does that have to do with taxes on automobile purchases?
The government dictates and the servant obeys.
Ah, you mean totalitarianism.
Well, we all forgive you for not being a native speaker of English.
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
That is a thought, but it was not my land. The owner has given us
permission to walk back there and to keep the trails clear. It would
be an abuse of his courtesy to be selling his trees. Besides, I don't
have the equipment I would need to drag it out of there.
Ah, makes perfect sense.
I have a friend who has a substantial woodlot. He came home for lunch
one day and heard chainsaws in this bush. He went back to check it out
and found a couple guys felling oak trees. They claimed that it was
their grandfather's property and he had given them permission to cut
some oaks to get boards for a winery tasting room they were building.
They were confused about the property line but it is uncertain whether
or not they genuinely misunderstood or if they figured they could get
away with it. If my friend had not gone home for lunch when he did he
would have been unaware.
Jesus! How did they repay the damage?
That reminds me... many years ago
they planted new trees along the water line on a street in Stockholm and apparently someone didn't like what it did to his view, so he poisoned
the trees at night.
Don't remember if they caught the guy or not.
On 2024-03-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Yep. Same in Singapore, I think they have a system where the government
basically more or less bans you from owning a car with the "fig leaf" of
choice despite the ridiculous taxes. Classic socialism. The government
dictates and the servant obeys.
Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange
should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
What does that have to do with taxes on automobile purchases?
The government dictates and the servant obeys.
Ah, you mean totalitarianism.
Well, we all forgive you for not being a native speaker of English.
On 2024-03-19 12:28 p.m., D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
That is a thought, but it was not my land. The owner has given us
permission to walk back there and to keep the trails clear. It would be an >>> abuse of his courtesy to be selling his trees. Besides, I don't have the >>> equipment I would need to drag it out of there.
Ah, makes perfect sense.
I have a friend who has a substantial woodlot. He came home for lunch one >>> day and heard chainsaws in this bush. He went back to check it out and
found a couple guys felling oak trees. They claimed that it was their
grandfather's property and he had given them permission to cut some oaks >>> to get boards for a winery tasting room they were building. They were
confused about the property line but it is uncertain whether or not they >>> genuinely misunderstood or if they figured they could get away with it. If >>> my friend had not gone home for lunch when he did he would have been
unaware.
Jesus! How did they repay the damage?
There was an agreement that allowed him the guy to take some of the trees they had cut and nothing would be said about the large stash of home grown pot that they found when they checked out his little party shack back there.
That reminds me... many years ago they planted new trees along the water
line on a street in Stockholm and apparently someone didn't like what it
did to his view, so he poisoned the trees at night.
Don't remember if they caught the guy or not.
When I moved out here I had an asshole farmer neighbour. He had a number of properties along this road and had conflicts with every one of his neighbours. He had a habit of planting up to or over the property line and then claiming the land on the basis of squatter's rights. He had a couple trees so close to the property line he had to cross over on to my property to work the land around them. Those trees died and he accused me of breaking them. He must have thought he was a detective or something because he said he saw my footprints on the ground. I called BS on that. There is no way he saw my footprints on the ground near those trees. I was at least 10 feet away and on my property when I sprayed them with 2 4D.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
..
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they would >> agree with that balderdash.
Yes, of course...!!!
Older Chileans will speak fondly of General Pinochet, as will Spaniards of General Franco - in both cases these brave leaders saved their respective nations from the horrors of socialism, or even full - blown Soviet - style communism...
These nations were, thankfully, spared the disgrace of becoming another backwards version of castro - ite Cuba, or East Germany...
And Graham, it's lovely to see that you know some history... *do* carry on, my good friend...!!!
:-)
D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
..
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they
would agree with that balderdash.
Yes, of course...!!!
Older Chileans will speak fondly of General Pinochet, as will Spaniards of >>> General Franco - in both cases these brave leaders saved their respective >>> nations from the horrors of socialism, or even full - blown Soviet - style >>> communism...
These nations were, thankfully, spared the disgrace of becoming another
backwards version of castro - ite Cuba, or East Germany...
And Graham, it's lovely to see that you know some history... *do* carry
on, my good friend...!!!
:-)
This is very interesting, because I have many spanish friends and it is not >> uncommon for them to comment on the times of Franco with "in those days, at >> least you could walk safe on the street".
Also many of them, like you say, see Franco as the one who saved them from >> the fate of Cuba.
Just wait, some here may jump in and taunt us yanks about the glories of the Cuban health care and educational "systems", lol...
They will also blame the below problems on the US "embargo" - despite the fact that US companies *legally* export millions of dollars of foodstuffs to Cuba every month:
www.dw.com/en/cuba-seeks-un-food-aid-as-economic-crisis-deepens/a-68443716
Cuba seeks UN food aid as economic crisis deepens
Andreas Knobloch
March 6, 2024 - DEUTSCHE WELLE
"Scarcity strikes Cuba with milk and bread being in short supply amid a deepening hard currency crisis. The government has now turned to the World Food Programme for assistance in an unprecedented move...
UN World Food Programme asked to intervene
Havana's unprecedented appeal for food relief was already made at the end of 2023, the WFP said, and it has already begun delivering skimmed milk powder to Cuba. Spanish news agency EFE reported last week that 144 tons of it were dispatched — approximately 7% of the country's overall monthly requirement of
2,000 tons...
The Cuban minister for the food industry, Alberto Lopez Diaz, assured Cubans last week that, milk supply would be secured by March, thanks to fresh deliveries from Brazil...
Shortages beyond milk
The milk powder shortage is not the only concern for Cubans. The supply of wheat flour for bread is also problematic, prompting the government to announce cuts in the supply of subsidized bread until the end of March. Some provinces have reportedly limited bread distribution already...
Economist Perez noted that power outages have increased recently due to fuel shortages..."
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they
would agree with that balderdash.
D wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
..
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they >>>>>> would agree with that balderdash.
Yes, of course...!!!
Older Chileans will speak fondly of General Pinochet, as will Spaniards >>>>> of General Franco - in both cases these brave leaders saved their
respective nations from the horrors of socialism, or even full - blown >>>>> Soviet - style communism...
These nations were, thankfully, spared the disgrace of becoming another >>>>> backwards version of castro - ite Cuba, or East Germany...
And Graham, it's lovely to see that you know some history... *do* carry >>>>> on, my good friend...!!!
:-)
This is very interesting, because I have many spanish friends and it is >>>> not uncommon for them to comment on the times of Franco with "in those >>>> days, at least you could walk safe on the street".
Also many of them, like you say, see Franco as the one who saved them
from the fate of Cuba.
Just wait, some here may jump in and taunt us yanks about the glories of >>> the Cuban health care and educational "systems", lol...
They will also blame the below problems on the US "embargo" - despite the >>> fact that US companies *legally* export millions of dollars of foodstuffs >>> to Cuba every month:
www.dw.com/en/cuba-seeks-un-food-aid-as-economic-crisis-deepens/a-68443716 >>>
Cuba seeks UN food aid as economic crisis deepens
Andreas Knobloch
March 6, 2024 - DEUTSCHE WELLE
"Scarcity strikes Cuba with milk and bread being in short supply amid a
deepening hard currency crisis. The government has now turned to the World >>> Food Programme for assistance in an unprecedented move...
UN World Food Programme asked to intervene
Havana's unprecedented appeal for food relief was already made at the end >>> of 2023, the WFP said, and it has already begun delivering skimmed milk
powder to Cuba. Spanish news agency EFE reported last week that 144 tons >>> of it were dispatched — approximately 7% of the country's overall monthly >>> requirement of 2,000 tons...
The Cuban minister for the food industry, Alberto Lopez Diaz, assured
Cubans last week that, milk supply would be secured by March, thanks to
fresh deliveries from Brazil...
Shortages beyond milk
The milk powder shortage is not the only concern for Cubans. The supply of >>> wheat flour for bread is also problematic, prompting the government to
announce cuts in the supply of subsidized bread until the end of March.
Some provinces have reportedly limited bread distribution already...
Economist Perez noted that power outages have increased recently due to
fuel shortages..."
Wouldn't surprise me at all! After all, socialism can do no wrong, and if
it doesn't work, it wasn't socialism to begin with. ;)
Jokes aside, wasn't there some brief talk about Raul Castro opening cuba up >> a tiny bit?
They've had periods when the Cuban government allowed people to open small private businesses, especially in the tourist sector, e.g. restaurants and even Air BNB accomodations... (below a recent article). But the government highly taxes these businesses, and makes it difficult to purchase wupplies; also the government will allow these businesses, and then crack down on them. See the list of US food and other exports below, I imagine most of them go to supply the state - run tourist sector, are also sold for US dollars in the Cuban "dollar stores" (Cuban pesos worthless there!), and distributed to high - ranking communist party members; the amount for January 2024 is US $45,168,873.00 - including umbrellas and even coffee (!):
https://news.miami.edu/stories/2023/10/independent-businessesknown-as-pymesare-growing-in-cuba.html
On 2024-03-19, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they
would agree with that balderdash.
There is totalitarianism at the top of any human organization, whether a town, an organization or a country. There are rulers and the ruled.
D wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Graham wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
..
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they >>>>>>>> would agree with that balderdash.
Yes, of course...!!!
Older Chileans will speak fondly of General Pinochet, as will
Spaniards of General Franco - in both cases these brave leaders saved >>>>>>> their respective nations from the horrors of socialism, or even full - >>>>>>> blown Soviet - style communism...
These nations were, thankfully, spared the disgrace of becoming
another backwards version of castro - ite Cuba, or East Germany... >>>>>>>
And Graham, it's lovely to see that you know some history... *do* >>>>>>> carry on, my good friend...!!!
:-)
This is very interesting, because I have many spanish friends and it is >>>>>> not uncommon for them to comment on the times of Franco with "in those >>>>>> days, at least you could walk safe on the street".
Also many of them, like you say, see Franco as the one who saved them >>>>>> from the fate of Cuba.
Just wait, some here may jump in and taunt us yanks about the glories of >>>>> the Cuban health care and educational "systems", lol...
They will also blame the below problems on the US "embargo" - despite >>>>> the fact that US companies *legally* export millions of dollars of
foodstuffs to Cuba every month:
www.dw.com/en/cuba-seeks-un-food-aid-as-economic-crisis-deepens/a-68443716
Cuba seeks UN food aid as economic crisis deepens
Andreas Knobloch
March 6, 2024 - DEUTSCHE WELLE
"Scarcity strikes Cuba with milk and bread being in short supply amid a >>>>> deepening hard currency crisis. The government has now turned to the >>>>> World Food Programme for assistance in an unprecedented move...
UN World Food Programme asked to intervene
Havana's unprecedented appeal for food relief was already made at the >>>>> end of 2023, the WFP said, and it has already begun delivering skimmed >>>>> milk powder to Cuba. Spanish news agency EFE reported last week that 144 >>>>> tons of it were dispatched — approximately 7% of the country's overall >>>>> monthly requirement of 2,000 tons...
The Cuban minister for the food industry, Alberto Lopez Diaz, assured >>>>> Cubans last week that, milk supply would be secured by March, thanks to >>>>> fresh deliveries from Brazil...
Shortages beyond milk
The milk powder shortage is not the only concern for Cubans. The supply >>>>> of wheat flour for bread is also problematic, prompting the government >>>>> to announce cuts in the supply of subsidized bread until the end of
March. Some provinces have reportedly limited bread distribution
already...
Economist Perez noted that power outages have increased recently due to >>>>> fuel shortages..."
Wouldn't surprise me at all! After all, socialism can do no wrong, and if >>>> it doesn't work, it wasn't socialism to begin with. ;)
Jokes aside, wasn't there some brief talk about Raul Castro opening cuba >>>> up a tiny bit?
They've had periods when the Cuban government allowed people to open small >>> private businesses, especially in the tourist sector, e.g. restaurants and >>> even Air BNB accomodations... (below a recent article). But the
government highly taxes these businesses, and makes it difficult to
purchase wupplies; also the government will allow these businesses, and
then crack down on them. See the list of US food and other exports below, >>> I imagine most of them go to supply the state - run tourist sector, are
also sold for US dollars in the Cuban "dollar stores" (Cuban pesos
worthless there!), and distributed to high - ranking communist party
members; the amount for January 2024 is US $45,168,873.00 - including
umbrellas and even coffee (!):
https://news.miami.edu/stories/2023/10/independent-businessesknown-as-pymesare-growing-in-cuba.html
Great information! Thank you very much. Well, nothing new under the sun.
China does the same when the entrepreneurs become too successful. I also
heard a rumour that the chinese parliament has as many billionaires as the >> US parliament has millionaires.
Also read the other day that the chinese debt as % of GDP is at around 285% >> or so, and since they would never allow the truth to escape I'm pretty
certain it is higher than that.
I doubt that China will ever become "#1", surpassing the US...
They've got mountains of debt, a vast real estate debacle, and worst of all, a looming demographic disaster... the popluation will be rapidly aging, with many fewer being born to support the older people...
You can say about South Korea and Japan, "Those countries got rich before they got old"...
In China's case it's "China will grow old before it gets rich - if it *ever* 'gets rich'..."
The Chinese Communist Party is also becoming ever more repressive and centralised, which makes China not a real attractive place...
You can ask all the Canadians posting here about how wealthy Chinese have bought large amounts of housing in Vancouver, etc....
Hank Rogers wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-03-19, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they
would agree with that balderdash.
There is totalitarianism at the top of any human organization, whether a >>> town, an organization or a country. There are rulers and the ruled.
Exactly! That's why we must elect only republicans, preferably those
endorsed by the ruler of the party, trump.
They KNOW all about totalitarianism.
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Trump’s chosen candidates are winning from top to bottom of the ballot.
President Donald Trump’s victories in last night’s primaries in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio were foregone conclusions. All of Trump’s
challengers have already exited the race and, for the third straight presidential cycle, Trump has secured the Republican nomination. This alone suggests Trump’s takeover of the GOP is near total, but there’s even more evidence down ballot...
Trump is still king and, for smaller realms all around the country, kingmaker. Trump has made 88 endorsements in the primaries thus far. Not a single candidate for federal office has lost their primary with Trump’s backing. Only three Trump-endorsed state legislative candidates have lost of the 61 who have faced their primaries so far. When November rolls around, the 58 winners will have the added benefit of Trump on the top of the ticket once again....
:-P
President Donald Trump’s victories in last night’s primaries in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio were foregone conclusions. All of Trump’s challengers have already exited the race and, for the third straight presidential cycle, Trump has secured the Republican
nomination. This alone suggests Trump’s takeover of the GOP is near
total, but there’s even more evidence down ballot...
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Hank Rogers wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-03-19, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they >>>>>> would agree with that balderdash.
There is totalitarianism at the top of any human organization, whether a >>>>> town, an organization or a country. There are rulers and the ruled.
Exactly! That's why we must elect only republicans, preferably those
endorsed by the ruler of the party, trump.
They KNOW all about totalitarianism.
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Trump’s chosen candidates are winning from top to bottom of the ballot. >>>
President Donald Trump’s victories in last night’s primaries in Arizona,
Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio were foregone conclusions. All of
Trump’s challengers have already exited the race and, for the third
straight presidential cycle, Trump has secured the Republican nomination. >>> This alone suggests Trump’s takeover of the GOP is near total, but there’s
even more evidence down ballot...
Trump is still king and, for smaller realms all around the country,
kingmaker. Trump has made 88 endorsements in the primaries thus far. Not a >>> single candidate for federal office has lost their primary with Trump’s >>> backing. Only three Trump-endorsed state legislative candidates have lost >>> of the 61 who have faced their primaries so far. When November rolls
around, the 58 winners will have the added benefit of Trump on the top of >>> the ticket once again....
:-P
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
In article <6a5a992c-aff8-18d3-b2db-4d903c41acb9
@example.net>, nospam@example.net says...
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
I doubt your career in rfc will last that long.
On 3/21/2024 12:36 AM, GM wrote:
President Donald Trump’s victories in last night’s primaries in Arizona, >> Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio were foregone conclusions. All of
Trump’s challengers have already exited the race and, for the third
straight presidential cycle, Trump has secured the Republican
nomination. This alone suggests Trump’s takeover of the GOP is near
total, but there’s even more evidence down ballot...
His challengers are gone, but in Florida, 17% of Republican voters still >voted for Haley and DeSantis. See, there are some smart Republicans.
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:03:38 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <6a5a992c-aff8-18d3-b2db-4d903c41acb9
@example.net>, nospam@example.net says...
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
I doubt your career in rfc will last that long.
:) He's becoming Greg's shadow. A goose stepper romance.
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in November
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
On 2024-03-21, D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in November
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
You people all never invite me to be on one of your lists.
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Hank Rogers wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-03-19, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-03-19 3:03 p.m., D wrote:
.
Socialism is a form of totalitarianism.
You should ask older Spaniards, Portuguese and Chileans whether they >>>>>>> would agree with that balderdash.
There is totalitarianism at the top of any human organization, whether a >>>>>> town, an organization or a country. There are rulers and the ruled.
Exactly! That's why we must elect only republicans, preferably those >>>>> endorsed by the ruler of the party, trump.
They KNOW all about totalitarianism.
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Trump’s chosen candidates are winning from top to bottom of the ballot. >>>>
President Donald Trump’s victories in last night’s primaries in
Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio were foregone conclusions. >>>> All of Trump’s challengers have already exited the race and, for the >>>> third straight presidential cycle, Trump has secured the Republican
nomination. This alone suggests Trump’s takeover of the GOP is near
total, but there’s even more evidence down ballot...
Trump is still king and, for smaller realms all around the country,
kingmaker. Trump has made 88 endorsements in the primaries thus far.
Not a single candidate for federal office has lost their primary with
Trump’s backing. Only three Trump-endorsed state legislative
candidates have lost of the 61 who have faced their primaries so far.
When November rolls around, the 58 winners will have the added benefit >>>> of Trump on the top of the ticket once again....
:-P
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =) >>>>As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US
talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 >felonies.
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =) >>>>>As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US
talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 felonies.
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =) >>>>As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
On 2024-03-21, D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Thus Far, Trump Has Huge Coattails. The Best Coattails.
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in November
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
You people all never invite me to be on one of your lists.
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
The fungus he grows for tempa would miss his company.
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =) >>>>>>As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US
talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
Those are all FAKE "crimes" he's "accused" of, Ed...
Haven't you heard of "political persecution"...???
Remember why Gandhi and Solzhenitsyn were imprisoned...
Remember why Our Lord Jesus Christ was NAILED to the cross...
President Trump's sleazy accusers will spend Eternity in a Lake of Fire...
And will forever be SLAVES of the KLINGONS...!!!
Two things:
He's playing to his base. I've seen right wingers talk like this
on Usenet since the 1990s.
He's a master of projection. Whatever he accuses someone else
of doing, he's doing it first and harder.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Some do. Most don't. (OTOH, everyone I know is college educated
and at least fairly liberal.)
Trump's rhetoric wouldn't pass muster in a high-school debate.
He's like a latency-age child.
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:...
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 >>felonies.
LOL, yes.
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in
november! =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US
talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
This political prosecution of victimless crimes is something out of
Putin's Russia...
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under
the color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an
unsympathetic character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a
day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes
after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
:-(
Ed P wrote:
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US
talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
This political prosecution of victimless crimes is something out of
Putin's Russia...
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! =) >>>>>>>As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked"
used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer
relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US >>>> talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
Those are all FAKE "crimes" he's "accused" of, Ed...
Haven't you heard of "political persecution"...???
Remember why Gandhi and Solzhenitsyn were imprisoned...
Remember why Our Lord Jesus Christ was NAILED to the cross...
President Trump's sleazy accusers will spend Eternity in a Lake of Fire... >>
And will forever be SLAVES of the KLINGONS...!!!
But how do you explain the rumours that Hillary is up for Sainthood in the catholic church when she dies?!? ;)
Remember why Our Lord Jesus Christ was NAILED to the cross...
D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! >>>>>>>>> =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked" >>>>> used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer >>>>> relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US >>>>> talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
Those are all FAKE "crimes" he's "accused" of, Ed...
Haven't you heard of "political persecution"...???
Remember why Gandhi and Solzhenitsyn were imprisoned...
Remember why Our Lord Jesus Christ was NAILED to the cross...
President Trump's sleazy accusers will spend Eternity in a Lake of Fire... >>>
And will forever be SLAVES of the KLINGONS...!!!
But how do you explain the rumours that Hillary is up for Sainthood in the >> catholic church when she dies?!? ;)
And her husband is silently wishing, "Hurry up and die, and SOON, please... I want to be known as the widower of a SAINT whilst I'm still alive...!!!"...
Lol...
;-)
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 3:31 AM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! >>>>>>>>> =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the festivities... >>>>>>>> wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!!
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a
cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked" >>>>> used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer >>>>> relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's
"Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US >>>>> talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be
honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91
felonies.
This political prosecution of victimless crimes is something out of
Putin's Russia...
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under the >>> color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an unsympathetic >>> character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a >>> day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots
prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes
after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
:-(
Yes, it started with Trump shouting "Lock her up"
Like a good dictator, Trump is taking over the RNC. This is the guy that
admires other dictators.
One of the BEST moments in my life was seeing Hillary Clintoon's sniveling crying face, when she conceded the 2016 election to President - elect T - R - U - M - P...
GAWD, I LOVED it...!!!
Her obit will start off with, "Hillary Clinton, failed 2016 Presidential candidate, has died..."
:-P
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:...
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 >>>felonies.
LOL, yes.
the number has since been reduced by a few, but he is
a convicted frauds and sexual abuser.
shouldn't he be on the sex-offenders registry?
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under the color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an unsympathetic character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-03-22, GM <gregorymorrow@msn.com> wrote:
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under the >>> color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an unsympathetic >>> character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a >>> day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots
prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes
after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
Our socialist, I'm sorry, democrat friends have flipped the following
prose to fit their philosophy and are eagerly awaiting the results.
They won't be good for anybody.
They first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me
There was no one left to speak for me.
I just pulled a Joe Biden and plagiarized.
Ah, excellent, Leo... this puts me in a good mood, and since it's Friday I think I'll have me a glass of wine or three...!!!
;-)
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-03-22, GM <gregorymorrow@msn.com> wrote:
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under the >>> color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an unsympathetic >>> character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a >>> day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots
prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes
after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
Our socialist, I'm sorry, democrat friends have flipped the following
prose to fit their philosophy and are eagerly awaiting the results.
They won't be good for anybody.
They first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me
There was no one left to speak for me.
I just pulled a Joe Biden and plagiarized.
And it's coming a LOT faster than you think - for example, here is some bad news for Scotland, and for free speech in general... read and weep...!!!
"… I am truly appalled that the legacy of Thomas Aikenhead and the Scottish Enlightenment…has been trashed by the Scottish Parliament and the Yousaf Government with the Hate Crime and Public Order Act. From April 1st 2024, saying the wrong thing at your own dinner table, let alone in a drunken pub rant like young Thomas did in 1697, will once again land you in significant trouble with the law, 327 years, eight months and 24 days after Thomas died.
D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/22/2024 3:31 AM, GM wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 3/21/2024 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 20:18:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
D wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
D wrote:
Can't wait to celebrate his victory with you all here in november! >>>>>>>>>>> =)
As long as we can invite Hank Rogers and Ed P. to the
festivities...
wouldn't want them to miss out on all the good cheer...!!! >>>>>>>>>>
:-D
And Bruce as well! Don't forget Bruce! ;)
Indeed, master bruce *loves* the aroma of trump's ass!!
These junior school level insults coming from Americans, is that a >>>>>>> cultural thing? Yesterday, I heard Trump say that the word "crooked" >>>>>>> used to be reserved for Hillary Clinton. But now that she's no longer >>>>>>> relevant, the word can be used for Joe Biden. So from now on it's >>>>>>> "Crooked Joe". That's the former and possibly next president of the US >>>>>>> talking.
Do many adult Americans talk like this? It's embarrassing, to be >>>>>>> honest.
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 >>>>>> felonies.
This political prosecution of victimless crimes is something out of >>>>> Putin's Russia...
Not only can it happen here, it is happening here...
A lot of ignorant people are happy that a political prosecution under >>>>> the color of the law is happening - as long as it happens to an
unsympathetic character like Trump...
A lot of people who cry "civil rights" if a murderer spends so much as a >>>>> day in jail are quite happy about this convoluted, connect-the-dots
prosecution...
You think you can enjoy a little bit of this fascism as long as it goes >>>>> after the right people...
Fools...!!!
The beast you are feeding will eventually devour you all...
:-(
Yes, it started with Trump shouting "Lock her up"
Like a good dictator, Trump is taking over the RNC. This is the guy that >>>> admires other dictators.
One of the BEST moments in my life was seeing Hillary Clintoon's sniveling >>> crying face, when she conceded the 2016 election to President - elect T - >>> R - U - M - P...
GAWD, I LOVED it...!!!
Her obit will start off with, "Hillary Clinton, failed 2016 Presidential >>> candidate, has died..."
:-P
Oh yes! I had a good time watching various swedish journalists crying and
hand wringing when they reported Trump had won. Happy memories! =)
As joyful an experience as seeing the Berlin Wall fall on 9 Novmeber 1989...
I consider myself very lucky to have seen socialism "live and up close" - the human misery, the Berlin Wall, the Stasi and STB spying on everyone (I have a Stasi file, even as a Western visitor)... the awful red tape even a Western visitor had to go through, e.g. visas, "minimum daily currency exchange"...
As one of my Czech friends who was a communist party member told me, "Greg, we are like radishes - red on the outside and white inside - no one takes socialism seriously..." She and her husband joined the party for career reasons: she was station manager at Prague Airport for Lufthansa, a nice job with travel benefits... he worked in the Economics Ministry... they had a lovely home in a leafy Prague suburb, a VW Beetle and a Fiat ("An ITALIAN Fiat, no one of those crummy Russian 'Lada' copies!", they said, lol...)...
Ah, Cold War memories...!!!
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:18:00 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:...
Funny thing is, the person calling others "crooked" is accused of 91 >>>>felonies.
LOL, yes.
the number has since been reduced by a few, but he is
a convicted frauds and sexual abuser.
shouldn't he be on the sex-offenders registry?
I haven't followed very closely, but hasn't Trump replaced enough
high-level judges by his own cronies to always be acquitted of
everything?
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