• Sunday night supper

    From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 19:37:09 2024
    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of cranberry
    sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 00:54:53 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce?? I love the stuff!

    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 11 01:10:11 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:


    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.


    So it was GOOD, eh...???

    :-D

    --
    GM

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sun Mar 10 21:16:46 2024
    On 2024-03-10 8:54 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of
    cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always
    infinitely better with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce??  I love the stuff!

    Gawd no. I hate the canned stuff. This was home made. I love that stuff
    with chicken and turkey.


    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

    I think you are supposed to have some real food before dessert. I hope
    that you enjoyed the decadence.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Mon Mar 11 12:43:28 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 21:16:46 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-10 8:54 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of
    cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always
    infinitely better with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce??  I love the stuff!

    Gawd no. I hate the canned stuff. This was home made. I love that stuff
    with chicken and turkey.


    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

    I think you are supposed to have some real food before dessert. I hope
    that you enjoyed the decadence.

    Oh no, Joan, you had no real food before dessert! Now you'll turn
    Canadian!

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 03:43:02 2024
    GM wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:


    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.


    So it was GOOD, eh...???

    :-D

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 😋

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 08:34:24 2024
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 11 08:16:26 2024
    On 2024-03-11 4:34 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.



    My wife would agree with you. I love cranberry with turkey and chicken
    and applesauce with pork. My wife won't even try it.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 14:05:51 2024
    On 2024-03-11, Dave Smith wrote:

    My wife would agree with you. I love cranberry with
    turkey and chicken and applesauce with pork.
    My wife won't even try it.

    This I can grok. But mint jelly on lamb I cannot.
    Actually, mint jelly on anything, but I digress.

    And to round off the discussion, what about
    ham and pineapple? I have sometimes thought
    to make a pizza but instead of pineapple
    and ham all around, purchase a can of
    'fruit cocktail' and then demarcate angular
    and perhaps radial divisions to try out,
    for example, ham & peach, pepperoni & pear,
    bacon & maraschino cherry, &c.

    Unfortunatley, my wife always vetoes this
    idea, and she's the only one of us who knows
    how to make pizza crust.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 15:11:06 2024
    In article <65eec210$0$876046
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, hamilton@invalid.com
    says...

    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.

    No apple sauce with roast pork? Prunes and pork? No
    duck a l'orange? Persian chicken with apricots?

    Pity.

    Janet UK

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Mar 11 12:19:11 2024
    On 2024-03-11 10:05 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-03-11, Dave Smith wrote:

    My wife would agree with you. I love cranberry with
    turkey and chicken and applesauce with pork.
    My wife won't even try it.

    This I can grok. But mint jelly on lamb I cannot.
    Actually, mint jelly on anything, but I digress.


    I don't like mint jelly with lamb but I do like mint sauce.


    And to round off the discussion, what about
    ham and pineapple?


    No thanks. I remember my grandfather cooking big hams garnished with
    slices of pineapple and cherries in the middle. I never cared for it,
    not raisin sauce with ham.

    I have sometimes thought
    to make a pizza but instead of pineapple
    and ham all around, purchase a can of
    'fruit cocktail' and then demarcate angular
    and perhaps radial divisions to try out,
    for example, ham & peach, pepperoni & pear,
    bacon & maraschino cherry, &c.

    Unfortunatley, my wife always vetoes this
    idea, and she's the only one of us who knows
    how to make pizza crust.

    Not a fan of fruit on pizza. If your obstacle to fruit on pizza is your
    wife's reluctance maybe you should learn how to make the pizza dough and
    do it yourself. I make my own pizza dough so it can't be that hard.
    Another option is to split the dough and make two smaller pizzas. You
    can do a good one for her and a fruity one for yourself. Of your above
    mentions options, bacon and pear has some appeal for me.
    FWIW, the best pizza slice I ever had was goat cheese and eggplant.



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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 11 16:46:34 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of
    cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always
    infinitely better with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce?? I love the stuff!

    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

    Me too on the canned. Comfort food of my youth. The 'real stuff' just
    doesn't taste right to me.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 11 12:46:46 2024
    On 3/11/2024 4:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together. Last
    night I made fried apples with my pork roast. No, I don't want them
    with my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 16:59:43 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-11 4:34 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.



    My wife would agree with you. I love cranberry with turkey and
    chicken and applesauce with pork. My wife won't even try it.

    I like my canned cranberry slice on the side with Turkey, and tolerat3
    pinapple on ham but I pull it to the side and eat it as a small side.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 11 12:56:22 2024
    On 2024-03-11 12:46 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of
    cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always
    infinitely better with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce?? I love the stuff!

    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

    Me too on the canned. Comfort food of my youth. The 'real stuff' just doesn't taste right to me.

    I was raised on home made. I just can't get used to that sweet canned
    stuff. I prefer cranberry sauce to have a nice tang to it.
    Speaking of which, it is time to think about lunch so I am thinking a
    chicken sandwich with cranberry sauce.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 11 13:00:33 2024
    On 2024-03-11 12:46 p.m., Ed P wrote:


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together.  Last night I made fried apples with my pork roast.  No, I don't want them
    with my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.


    Many years ago there was a TV show called Over Easy hosted by Hugh Downs
    and they used to have recipes for seniors. One of the recipes involved
    pork shops stuffed with pitted prunes. It was a one pan meal. Slit a
    pocket in a nice thick pork chop and pop a prune or two into it. Seaons
    with salt and pepper and sear it on both sides and add a chopped potato
    and half an onion. Add some apple juice and cover it for about 20
    minutes. It was really tasty.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 11 17:44:16 2024
    On 11/03/2024 16:46, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 4:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion.  Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together.  Last night I made fried apples with my pork roast.  No, I don't want them
    with my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

    I often add fruit to curries - apples, apricots, pears...

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Mar 11 15:03:02 2024
    On 2024-03-11 1:44 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 16:46, Ed P wrote:

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

    I often add fruit to curries - apples, apricots, pears...


    When I make lamb curry I had chopped dried apricot.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Mar 11 14:09:10 2024
    On 2024-03-11 11:44 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 16:46, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 4:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion.  Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together.
    Last night I made fried apples with my pork roast.  No, I don't want
    them with my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

    I often add fruit to curries - apples, apricots, pears...

    Cyder goes well with curries.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 19:59:04 2024
    On 11/03/2024 19:03, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-11 1:44 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 16:46, Ed P wrote:

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

    I often add fruit to curries - apples, apricots, pears...


    When I make lamb curry I had chopped dried apricot.

    Yes, that is tasty.
    Dried apricots are a pantry staple for me.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 20:15:20 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-11 12:46 p.m., cshenk wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted heritage
    (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we had lots of
    cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and chicken is always
    infinitely better with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce?? I love the stuff!

    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any thoughts
    of supper tonight.

    Me too on the canned. Comfort food of my youth. The 'real stuff' just
    doesn't taste right to me.

    I was raised on home made. I just can't get used to that sweet canned
    stuff. I prefer cranberry sauce to have a nice tang to it.
    Speaking of which, it is time to think about lunch so I am thinking a
    chicken sandwich with cranberry sauce.

    I was raised on the jellied, not whole berry, canned cranberry sauce.
    Love the stuff and it still has a twang to it. Homemade is ok if that's
    all you have and I've had some pretty good homemade versions as well as
    some simply awful ones, too.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 11 20:41:05 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:


    I was raised on the jellied, not whole berry, canned cranberry sauce.
    Love the stuff and it still has a twang to it. Homemade is ok if that's
    all you have and I've had some pretty good homemade versions as well as
    some simply awful ones, too.


    I make a bunch around the holidays, and freeze some for future use...

    It's cranberries, whole chopped orange (seeded, but with the peel), some kinda nutz (pecans or walnuts), sugar, maybe some dried fruit (cherries...), and always some brandy...

    Just had some on Häagen-Dazs vanilla ice cream last night... also good on chicken sammiches...

    --
    GM

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 11 22:11:40 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-11 12:46 p.m., Ed P wrote:


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together.  Last
    night I made fried apples with my pork roast.  No, I don't want them with >> my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.


    Many years ago there was a TV show called Over Easy hosted by Hugh Downs and they used to have recipes for seniors. One of the recipes involved pork shops stuffed with pitted prunes. It was a one pan meal. Slit a pocket in a nice thick pork chop and pop a prune or two into it. Seaons with salt and pepper and sear it on both sides and add a chopped potato and half an onion. Add some apple juice and cover it for about 20 minutes. It was really tasty.



    Not a fan of fruit with my meat, but... with lamb I do enjoy a bit of
    red currant jelly or rhubarb jam. Not too much though.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 11 20:11:27 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/11/2024 4:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.


    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together. Last
    night I made fried apples with my pork roast. No, I don't want them
    with my steak.

    A ham steak cooked on the grill with a side of fried apples is heavenly,
    at least it is to me.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 11 20:19:21 2024
    cshenk wrote:

    I like my canned cranberry slice on the side with Turkey, and tolerate pineapple on ham but I pull it to the side and eat it as a small side.

    Me, too.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Janet on Mon Mar 11 16:01:09 2024
    On 2024-03-11 9:11 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <65eec210$0$876046
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, hamilton@invalid.com
    says...

    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.

    No apple sauce with roast pork? Prunes and pork? No
    duck a l'orange? Persian chicken with apricots?

    Pity.

    Janet UK

    Lamb with Shrewsbury sauce.
    Duck with blackberry/port wine.
    Cumberland sauce with game.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Mar 11 22:20:18 2024
    On 11/03/2024 20:09, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-11 11:44 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 16:46, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 4:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion.  Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.

    I don't want it on my meat, but pork and apples go well together.
    Last night I made fried apples with my pork roast.  No, I don't want
    them with my steak.

    I sometimes put some grapes in a salad.

    I often add fruit to curries - apples, apricots, pears...

    Cyder goes well with curries.

    Indeed it does.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Tue Mar 12 09:55:18 2024
    On 2024-03-11, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    Unfortunatley, my wife always vetoes this
    idea, and she's the only one of us who knows
    how to make pizza crust.

    Do you have a food processor? This recipe makes excellent dough
    and is very easy. But it requires advance preparation.

    https://www.seriouseats.com/new-york-style-pizza

    You can freeze the excess, but I find the dough is more difficult
    to work after defrosting. Then again, I don't make yeast dough
    often enough to get really good at working with it.

    My husband requested a "I survived heart surgery (again)" pizza
    this week, so I think I'll be making this on Friday.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Tue Mar 12 10:01:52 2024
    On 2024-03-11, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <65eec210$0$876046
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, hamilton@invalid.com
    says...

    On 2024-03-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    chicken is always infinitely better
    with lots of cranberry sauce.

    Well, that certainly is an opinion. Here's another one:

    Meat is always infinitely better without fruit.

    No apple sauce with roast pork? Prunes and pork? No
    duck a l'orange? Persian chicken with apricots?

    Pity.

    Everybody has different taste. Roast pork doesn't need a sauce
    because I don't cook it past medium (although sometimes I'll use
    the pan drippings). I like prunes straight up, uncooked.
    Duck, usually done in some Asian fashion (by a restaurant cook,
    not me). I usually grill chicken.

    I don't eat classic European food very often. I just never
    developed much of a taste for it.

    Pork: marinated with soy sauce, ginger, garlic, and maybe gochujang,
    then grilled

    Chicken: grilled then dressed with a bright sauce like chermoula

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 12 08:58:24 2024
    On 3/12/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings.  I had a consultation
    with a dietitian after my heart surgery. She told me not to ever eat
    Buffalo wings. She explained why they are so bad for you. The fat in
    chickens is under the skin and there is a lot of skin for the small
    amount of meat. Then it is deep fried in fat which has likely been
    heated and cooled repeatedly so likely to have some transfats. Then
    there is the sauce, which is high in fat and salt. If that was not bad enough, there is the high fat and high salt blue cheese dressing and the beer.

    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a
    year.  I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at a
    place and the wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that I
    figured they just weren't worth it.


    Wings were always my favorite until some jackass in Buffalo screwed up
    the market. Many years ago, you could buy a 5 pound bag of them for 5
    cents a pound. I once went into a KFC and they had a special of a dozen
    wings for dirt cheap.

    Suddenly, Buffalo Wings became a craze and the sell for premium prices.
    I like them, but I'm not paying close to $3 when thighs sell for 79 cents.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 12 08:37:43 2024
    On 2024-03-12 5:55 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-11, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    Unfortunatley, my wife always vetoes this
    idea, and she's the only one of us who knows
    how to make pizza crust.

    Do you have a food processor? This recipe makes excellent dough
    and is very easy. But it requires advance preparation.

    https://www.seriouseats.com/new-york-style-pizza

    You can freeze the excess, but I find the dough is more difficult
    to work after defrosting. Then again, I don't make yeast dough
    often enough to get really good at working with it.

    My husband requested a "I survived heart surgery (again)" pizza
    this week, so I think I'll be making this on Friday.


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings. I had a consultation
    with a dietitian after my heart surgery. She told me not to ever eat
    Buffalo wings. She explained why they are so bad for you. The fat in
    chickens is under the skin and there is a lot of skin for the small
    amount of meat. Then it is deep fried in fat which has likely been
    heated and cooled repeatedly so likely to have some transfats. Then
    there is the sauce, which is high in fat and salt. If that was not bad
    enough, there is the high fat and high salt blue cheese dressing and the
    beer.

    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a
    year. I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at a
    place and the wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that I
    figured they just weren't worth it.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 12 09:34:29 2024
    On 2024-03-12 8:58 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/12/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a
    year. I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at
    a place and the wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that
    I figured they just weren't worth it.


    Wings were always my favorite until some jackass in Buffalo screwed
    up the market. Many years ago, you could buy a 5 pound bag of them
    for 5 cents a pound. I once went into a KFC and they had a special
    of a dozen wings for dirt cheap.

    Suddenly, Buffalo Wings became a craze and the sell for premium
    prices. I like them, but I'm not paying close to $3 when thighs sell
    for 79 cents.


    A friend of mine introduced them to Canada back in the 1970s. Liquor
    laws were easing up and he opened up the first NY style standup bar. I
    made a number of trips with him over to Buffalo and Niagara Falls NY to
    try winds and to try to get recipes. They were an instant hit and
    everyone else started selling them.

    I had a deep fryer and for years we had wings almost every Saturday.
    The price climbed steadily and it got to the point where I could get a
    decent steak for the same price as a serving of wings. It just wasn't
    worth it.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 12 13:18:25 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12 5:55 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-11, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    Unfortunatley, my wife always vetoes this
    idea, and she's the only one of us who knows
    how to make pizza crust.

    Do you have a food processor? This recipe makes excellent dough
    and is very easy. But it requires advance preparation.

    https://www.seriouseats.com/new-york-style-pizza

    You can freeze the excess, but I find the dough is more difficult
    to work after defrosting. Then again, I don't make yeast dough
    often enough to get really good at working with it.

    My husband requested a "I survived heart surgery (again)" pizza
    this week, so I think I'll be making this on Friday.


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings.

    It wasn't open-heart surgery. Catheter ablation. It would have
    been a surprise to everyone if he hadn't survived it. The early
    mortality rate for that surgery is 0.46%, with 50% of deaths
    occurring within the first 30 days.

    He's in the kitchen right now, making a sausage omelet for breakfast.

    Pizza might be about as far as his GERD will allow. Wings would
    have him up all night.

    If we had one nearby, we'd go to Hooters. Their burgers are fair.
    But the real draw is me watching him watch the waitresses.

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/569001734155102972/

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 12 15:24:09 2024
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    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/12/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings.  I had a consultation with >> a dietitian after my heart surgery. She told me not to ever eat Buffalo
    wings. She explained why they are so bad for you. The fat in chickens is
    under the skin and there is a lot of skin for the small amount of meat.
    Then it is deep fried in fat which has likely been heated and cooled
    repeatedly so likely to have some transfats. Then there is the sauce, which >> is high in fat and salt. If that was not bad enough, there is the high fat >> and high salt blue cheese dressing and the beer.

    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a year.  >> I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at a place and the >> wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that I figured they just
    weren't worth it.


    Wings were always my favorite until some jackass in Buffalo screwed up the market. Many years ago, you could buy a 5 pound bag of them for 5 cents a pound. I once went into a KFC and they had a special of a dozen wings for dirt cheap.

    Suddenly, Buffalo Wings became a craze and the sell for premium prices. I like them, but I'm not paying close to $3 when thighs sell for 79 cents.


    That's why I switched to condor wings, they last much longer!

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 14:50:00 2024
    D wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/12/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings.  I had a consultation with >>> a dietitian after my heart surgery. She told me not to ever eat Buffalo
    wings. She explained why they are so bad for you. The fat in chickens is >>> under the skin and there is a lot of skin for the small amount of meat.
    Then it is deep fried in fat which has likely been heated and cooled
    repeatedly so likely to have some transfats. Then there is the sauce, which >>> is high in fat and salt. If that was not bad enough, there is the high fat >>> and high salt blue cheese dressing and the beer.

    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a year.  >>> I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at a place and the >>> wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that I figured they just
    weren't worth it.


    Wings were always my favorite until some jackass in Buffalo screwed up the >> market. Many years ago, you could buy a 5 pound bag of them for 5 cents a >> pound. I once went into a KFC and they had a special of a dozen wings for >> dirt cheap.

    Suddenly, Buffalo Wings became a craze and the sell for premium prices. I
    like them, but I'm not paying close to $3 when thighs sell for 79 cents.


    That's why I switched to condor wings, they last much longer!


    Oh, do you mean the low - cost German airline...???

    "A male flight attendant approached my sleeping wife, woke her up and reprimanded her saying "Fuesse vom Sitz! Sie sind hier nicht zuhause" and then proceeded to repeat the insult in English "Put the feet down! You are not at home here!..."

    https://www.condor.com/us

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(airline)

    "Condor Flugdienst GmbH, usually shortended to Condor, is a German leisure airline established in 1955 with Frankfurt Airport being its main base. Condor offers scheduled flights to leisure destinations and operates, from Germany, medium-haul flights to
    the Mediterranean Basin and the Canary Islands as well as long-haul flights to destinations in Africa, Asia, North America, South America and the Caribbean..."


    https://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/condor-airlines/

    CUSTOMER REVIEWS:

    “portions of food were terrible”

    D Fefko (Czech Republic) 5th February 2024

    "Our flight from Frankfurt to Prague was canceled by Condor for no reason. We were in time at the gate and we were unable to board second plane. In the cabin we had to pay for wine, headphones etc... The portions of the food in comparison to other
    airlines were terrible. I was hungry. Seats were uncomfortable. Again in comparison to other airlines. The planes was not cleaned... I am not choosing this airlines ever again.
    Aircraft A330-900neo
    Type Of Traveller Solo Leisure
    Seat Type Economy Class
    Route Grenada to Prague via Frankfurt
    Date Flown January 2024


    "Terrible experience"

    Krisztina Balazs (Canada) 20th October 2023

    Terrible experience. Hours of delay. Overbooked flight, they offered upgrade for cash only. Made me downgrade from business to economy because of my pet on board, then offered an upgrade for cash only. regardless. The flight was delayed by hours because
    of luggage issues, etc which was because of overbooked economy. No blankets, no refreshments, no water, you have to pay for everything and the check in staff is beyond rude.
    Type Of Traveller Business
    Seat Type Economy Class
    Route Frankfurt to Toronto
    Date Flown October 2023


    "staff were professional, passionate, enthusiastic"

    Joseph Robert Goodrich (United States) 16th October 2023

    Great airline. The staff were professional, passionate, enthusiastic. They thoroughly love their jobs, and it showed. Seat comfort was good. Amenities were thoughtful and of good quality. Cuisine was remarkably decent. Aircraft was new, clean, and
    comfortable. What an amazing surprise. This airline really hits it out of the ballpark.
    Aircraft A330 Neo
    Type Of Traveller Couple Leisure
    Seat Type Premium Economy
    Route San Francisco to Frankfurt
    Date Flown September 2023


    "All in all disappointing"

    Christian Brincken (Germany) 5th October 2023

    Disappointing experience. Brand new plane, flight a bit behind schedule. Seats are very narrow and hard, Condor optimised every inch of the airplane. Food very small and not very tasty, Service okay but not very friendly, bathrooms ridiculously narrow
    and small. Entertainment so and so. All in all disappointing.
    Aircraft A330-900 neo
    Type Of Traveller Family Leisure
    Seat Type Premium Economy
    Route Frankfurt to Mombasa
    Date Flown October 2023


    "attendants treat guests like cattle"

    1 reviews Danyel Tiefenbacher (United States) 13th August 2023

    I traveled with my 7-months pregnant wife and my two young children. After 9 hours my youngest finally fell asleep and laid his head down in my wife's lap. He was careful not to put the bottom of the shoes on the seat, only the sides. A male flight
    attendant approached my sleeping wife, woke her up and reprimanded her saying "Fuesse vom Sitz! Sie sind hier nicht zuhause" and then proceeded to repeat the insult in English "Put the feet down! You are not at home here!" We paid $7,000 for our flights,
    about the same as for 10 nights in all 5-star hotels in Frankfurt and 3 other cities in Europe on our trip. It would have never occurred any of the hotel staff to treat us this rude. Condor flight attendants treat guests like cattle. Never ever will I
    fly Condor again.
    Type Of Traveller Family Leisure
    Seat Type Economy Class
    Route Frankfurt to Los Angeles
    Date Flown August 2023..."

    ---
    GM

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 18:55:16 2024
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    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/12/2024 8:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If he survived heart surgery he deserves wings.  I had a consultation >>>> with a dietitian after my heart surgery. She told me not to ever eat
    Buffalo wings. She explained why they are so bad for you. The fat in
    chickens is under the skin and there is a lot of skin for the small
    amount of meat. Then it is deep fried in fat which has likely been heated >>>> and cooled repeatedly so likely to have some transfats. Then there is the >>>> sauce, which is high in fat and salt. If that was not bad enough, there >>>> is the high fat and high salt blue cheese dressing and the beer.

    To never eat wings translated in my head as eating them only once a
    year.  I did that for a couple years but then one time we were at a place >>>> and the wings sucked. They were such a disappointment that I figured they >>>> just weren't worth it.


    Wings were always my favorite until some jackass in Buffalo screwed up the >>> market. Many years ago, you could buy a 5 pound bag of them for 5 cents a >>> pound. I once went into a KFC and they had a special of a dozen wings for >>> dirt cheap.

    Suddenly, Buffalo Wings became a craze and the sell for premium prices. I >>> like them, but I'm not paying close to $3 when thighs sell for 79 cents. >>>

    That's why I switched to condor wings, they last much longer!


    Oh, do you mean the low - cost German airline...???

    No, the bird! Much more meat on the wings than regular chickens! ;)

    I traveled with my 7-months pregnant wife and my two young children. After 9 hours my youngest finally fell asleep and laid his head down in my wife's lap. He was careful not to put the bottom of the shoes on the seat, only the sides. A male flight attendant approached my sleeping wife, woke her up and reprimanded her saying "Fuesse vom Sitz! Sie sind hier nicht zuhause" and then proceeded to repeat the insult in English "Put the feet down! You are not at home here!" We paid $7,000 for our flights, about the same as for 10 nights in all 5-star hotels in Frankfurt and 3 other cities in Europe on our trip. It would have never occurred any of the hotel staff to treat us this rude. Condor flight attendants treat guests like cattle. Never ever will I fly Condor again.
    Type Of Traveller Family Leisure
    Seat Type Economy Class
    Route Frankfurt to Los Angeles
    Date Flown August 2023..."

    --- GM


    I feel your pain! A brief "Jawohl Herr Kommendant" as an answer comes to
    mind. ;)

    No, I hate modern travel in planes with a passion! I have travel many
    times around the globe for business and my dreams is to never have to
    travel by plane again. Sadly my wife loves travelling, so once every 2
    years she forces me into the small metal tube for hours and hours of
    suffering.

    The last few years I tried to parry it with flying business so that I
    can at least sleep horizontally but not even that suffices to make the experience pleasant. =(

    Maybe I should try a private jet? Perhaps that is the answer?

    If I lived in japan, the answer would be trains. Since I live in
    northern europe they are just as bad as flying (except the dehumanizing
    and revolting security procedures at the airport).

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 12 20:32:56 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-11 12:46 p.m., cshenk wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    We had a roasted chicken with roasted potatoes, roasted
    heritage (yellow) carrots and steamed asparagus. Luckily we
    had lots of cranberry sauce left over from Christmas, and
    chicken is always infinitely better with lots of cranberry
    sauce.

    Canned cranberry sauce?? I love the stuff!

    I had a large slice of my coconut cake and that squashed any
    thoughts of supper tonight.

    Me too on the canned. Comfort food of my youth. The 'real stuff'
    just doesn't taste right to me.

    I was raised on home made. I just can't get used to that sweet
    canned stuff. I prefer cranberry sauce to have a nice tang to it.
    Speaking of which, it is time to think about lunch so I am thinking
    a chicken sandwich with cranberry sauce.

    I was raised on the jellied, not whole berry, canned cranberry sauce.
    Love the stuff and it still has a twang to it. Homemade is ok if
    that's all you have and I've had some pretty good homemade versions
    as well as some simply awful ones, too.

    Snicker, my youth comes back to haunt me on this one. I tried making
    it and still didn't like it much as the old familiar and reliable can.

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