• Re: Expensive beef

    From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Mar 7 17:35:17 2024
    On 3/7/2024 5:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the
    A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you
    paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and
    split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 22:18:09 2024
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 7 18:52:19 2024
    On 3/7/2024 5:35 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 5:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Not bad if it is really good.  Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the
    A5 steak I bought last week.  Cost is triple for my one serving what you paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB

    Okay, what is that, Wagyu?

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Mar 7 18:48:23 2024
    On 3/7/2024 5:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo

    Petite filets! That's about the size of a steak I can eat in one
    sitting and hey, why not splurge occasionally. Cooked just right
    (medium-rare for me) they are delicious and nicely tender. Nicely done,
    Leo. :)

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Mar 7 19:57:16 2024
    On 3/7/2024 6:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 5:35 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 5:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Not bad if it is really good.  Tomorrow I'm having the other half of
    the A5 steak I bought last week.  Cost is triple for my one serving
    what you paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one
    and split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB

    Okay, what is that, Wagyu?

    Jill

    Yes, A5 is the top grade. I went to Mazzaros, an Italian specialty
    store, last week and while there, treated myself again. Not something
    to do every week, but a couple of times a year, why not?

    https://postimg.cc/Bj96pW9k

    https://postimg.cc/svmzQ19n

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Mar 8 12:31:11 2024
    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:35:17 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/7/2024 5:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the
    A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you
    paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB

    I just discovered another advantage of not eating meat.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Mar 8 20:33:42 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:31:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Good choice! But there's something strange, something green in the photos. >You should probably avoid that for your own safety. ;)

    Wut? That's the best part of the photo!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 8 10:31:31 2024
    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Good choice! But there's something strange, something green in the photos.
    You should probably avoid that for your own safety. ;)

    Once, my local meat shop had argentine rib eye, but it looked just like
    Wagyu beef! It cost about 25 EUR for 8 oz and was amazing!

    Sadly I've never found it again, so I wonder if it was an experiment and
    the regular customer thought it looked weird and didn't buy it. =(

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 8 16:25:54 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:31:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I received my IRS check and felt the wealth, so I splurged on two
    steaks. That's twenty bucks for two itty-bitty steaks. Good though!

    <https://postimg.cc/3djzKXhv>

    leo


    Good choice! But there's something strange, something green in the photos. >> You should probably avoid that for your own safety. ;)

    Wut? That's the best part of the photo!

    No, guarenteed to be poisonous! Stay away folks!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Mar 8 22:29:23 2024
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the
    A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you
    paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 8 19:38:08 2024
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the
    A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you
    paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and
    split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy
    expensive but a nice treat.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Mar 8 18:51:01 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the >>> A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you >>> paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >>> split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy expensive but a nice treat.

    Just put it on the charge card.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 9 11:27:56 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the >>> A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you >>> paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >>> split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy expensive but a nice treat.

    That photo is pornography! I have to hide it from the wife!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 9 21:38:29 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:27:56 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the >>>> A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you >>>> paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >>>> split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy expensive >> but a nice treat.

    That photo is pornography! I have to hide it from the wife!

    "the wife"

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 9 15:58:15 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:27:56 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the >>>>> A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you >>>>> paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >>>>> split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door. >>>
    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy expensive >>> but a nice treat.

    That photo is pornography! I have to hide it from the wife!

    "the wife"


    Of course! Since it was such a success, from now on I will always use it
    for everyones reading pleasure! =)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 10 05:34:15 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:58:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:27:56 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Not bad if it is really good. Tomorrow I'm having the other half of the >>>>>> A5 steak I bought last week. Cost is triple for my one serving what you >>>>>> paid for both.

    Last time I treated my family and bought two, this time I bought one and >>>>>> split it.
    https://postimg.cc/QVKKJJKB


    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door. >>>>
    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy expensive
    but a nice treat.

    That photo is pornography! I have to hide it from the wife!

    "the wife"


    Of course! Since it was such a success, from now on I will always use it
    for everyones reading pleasure! =)

    :)

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 9 22:33:00 2024
    On 2024-03-09, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy
    expensive but a nice treat.


    There was a time when I wanted to do "two" foodie things. I wanted to
    eat lobster until I didn't want any more, and I did that. I wanted to
    taste beluga caviar, and I haven't done that. All I've eaten is lumpfish
    and salmon "caviar", and I like both.
    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Mar 9 21:16:18 2024
    On 3/9/2024 5:33 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-09, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy
    expensive but a nice treat.


    There was a time when I wanted to do "two" foodie things. I wanted to
    eat lobster until I didn't want any more, and I did that. I wanted to
    taste beluga caviar, and I haven't done that. All I've eaten is lumpfish
    and salmon "caviar", and I like both.
    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)


    Never had the "good" caviar. The cheaper stuff I had was too fishy for
    me.

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 10 13:23:47 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 21:16:18 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/9/2024 5:33 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-09, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy
    expensive but a nice treat.


    There was a time when I wanted to do "two" foodie things. I wanted to
    eat lobster until I didn't want any more, and I did that. I wanted to
    taste beluga caviar, and I haven't done that. All I've eaten is lumpfish
    and salmon "caviar", and I like both.
    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)


    Never had the "good" caviar. The cheaper stuff I had was too fishy for
    me.

    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 9 22:08:08 2024
    On 2024-03-09 9:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/9/2024 5:33 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)


    Never had the "good" caviar.  The cheaper stuff I had was too fishy for me.

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries.  At times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    I remember seeing caviar in the seafood department of a high quality
    department store in Copenhagen back in 1999. The can was about 4" in
    diameter and 3" high. The price on it worked out to about $1200. I can't
    tell you if it was better than the cheap stuff.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sun Mar 10 14:32:19 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 22:08:08 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-09 9:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/9/2024 5:33 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)


    Never had the "good" caviar.  The cheaper stuff I had was too fishy for me. >>
    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries.  At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    I remember seeing caviar in the seafood department of a high quality >department store in Copenhagen back in 1999. The can was about 4" in
    diameter and 3" high. The price on it worked out to about $1200. I can't
    tell you if it was better than the cheap stuff.

    Thanks Dave. I was just wondering what caviar cost in 1999 in
    Copenhagen.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 9 23:07:37 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

    much of the fishy smell actually comes from algae...
    having cleaned plenty of aquariums (both fresh water
    and salt water) plus also eating fish from various
    types of waters i can say that if you have a really
    fishy tasting fish it could be the species (some are
    fishier than others), but also it can be an indication
    of poor water quality. the same kind of trout from
    different streams or lakes could taste quite
    different.

    and then too, cooked vs. non-cooked also can make a
    lot of difference... sushi grade tuna and salmon are
    quite nice to me, but when cooked i'm not as fond of
    them. seviche i also like when made with certain
    fishes...


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 15:40:30 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:07:37 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

    much of the fishy smell actually comes from algae...
    having cleaned plenty of aquariums (both fresh water
    and salt water) plus also eating fish from various
    types of waters i can say that if you have a really
    fishy tasting fish it could be the species (some are
    fishier than others), but also it can be an indication
    of poor water quality. the same kind of trout from
    different streams or lakes could taste quite
    different.

    and then too, cooked vs. non-cooked also can make a
    lot of difference... sushi grade tuna and salmon are
    quite nice to me, but when cooked i'm not as fond of
    them. seviche i also like when made with certain
    fishes...

    Farmed salmon is frankenfish that's full of chicken fat, because of
    the feed they get. Mackerel is always wild caught and very fishy, even
    tough it comes from the ocean, not from an aquarium.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 10 11:38:23 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:07:37 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

    much of the fishy smell actually comes from algae...
    having cleaned plenty of aquariums (both fresh water
    and salt water) plus also eating fish from various
    types of waters i can say that if you have a really
    fishy tasting fish it could be the species (some are
    fishier than others), but also it can be an indication
    of poor water quality. the same kind of trout from
    different streams or lakes could taste quite
    different.

    and then too, cooked vs. non-cooked also can make a
    lot of difference... sushi grade tuna and salmon are
    quite nice to me, but when cooked i'm not as fond of
    them. seviche i also like when made with certain
    fishes...

    Farmed salmon is frankenfish that's full of chicken fat, because of
    the feed they get. Mackerel is always wild caught and very fishy, even
    tough it comes from the ocean, not from an aquarium.


    I recommend pike and perch. Not very "fishy" and very good. Catch them
    yourself for better taste! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 10 11:36:06 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/9/2024 5:33 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-09, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 5:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Any butcher shop that sold that product, wouldn't allow me in the door.

    One of those thing you should try once in your life. Sure, crazy
    expensive but a nice treat.


    There was a time when I wanted to do "two" foodie things. I wanted to
    eat lobster until I didn't want any more, and I did that. I wanted to
    taste beluga caviar, and I haven't done that. All I've eaten is lumpfish
    and salmon "caviar", and I like both.
    That Wagyu beef should pair well with beluga caviar. I need to upgrade
    my friends...or get some. ;)


    Never had the "good" caviar. The cheaper stuff I had was too fishy for me.

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At times, we were able to get them very cheap.


    Reminds me when I went to Boston for 2 months for work. We we're about 6 colleagues who went to a lobster restaurant and ordered the biggest
    monster they had.

    All my colleagues except 1 gorged themselves on bread and starters, so
    when the monster came, I could eat as much as I wanted until I was
    completely full just on lobster.

    As for beluga caviar, never tried, but Wagyu beef is very close to beef
    heaven! =)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 10 21:45:13 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:38:23 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:07:37 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

    much of the fishy smell actually comes from algae...
    having cleaned plenty of aquariums (both fresh water
    and salt water) plus also eating fish from various
    types of waters i can say that if you have a really
    fishy tasting fish it could be the species (some are
    fishier than others), but also it can be an indication
    of poor water quality. the same kind of trout from
    different streams or lakes could taste quite
    different.

    and then too, cooked vs. non-cooked also can make a
    lot of difference... sushi grade tuna and salmon are
    quite nice to me, but when cooked i'm not as fond of
    them. seviche i also like when made with certain
    fishes...

    Farmed salmon is frankenfish that's full of chicken fat, because of
    the feed they get. Mackerel is always wild caught and very fishy, even
    tough it comes from the ocean, not from an aquarium.


    I recommend pike and perch. Not very "fishy" and very good. Catch them >yourself for better taste! =)

    I never see that here. Mackerel, snapper, sometimes striped trumpeter,
    whiting, tuna, shark.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 10 14:47:08 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:38:23 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:07:37 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    I like when fishy things taste fishy. I mean, you can hardly blame
    them.

    much of the fishy smell actually comes from algae...
    having cleaned plenty of aquariums (both fresh water
    and salt water) plus also eating fish from various
    types of waters i can say that if you have a really
    fishy tasting fish it could be the species (some are
    fishier than others), but also it can be an indication
    of poor water quality. the same kind of trout from
    different streams or lakes could taste quite
    different.

    and then too, cooked vs. non-cooked also can make a
    lot of difference... sushi grade tuna and salmon are
    quite nice to me, but when cooked i'm not as fond of
    them. seviche i also like when made with certain
    fishes...

    Farmed salmon is frankenfish that's full of chicken fat, because of
    the feed they get. Mackerel is always wild caught and very fishy, even
    tough it comes from the ocean, not from an aquarium.


    I recommend pike and perch. Not very "fishy" and very good. Catch them
    yourself for better taste! =)

    I never see that here. Mackerel, snapper, sometimes striped trumpeter, whiting, tuna, shark.


    Shark? That's uncommon! Only place where I ever had shark was iceland, and
    it was pretty good. I also had sharkfin soup decades ago, but I doubt
    there was any actual shark in that soup. But the one in iceland was
    excellent!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 11 05:29:54 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:47:08 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:38:23 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I recommend pike and perch. Not very "fishy" and very good. Catch them
    yourself for better taste! =)

    I never see that here. Mackerel, snapper, sometimes striped trumpeter,
    whiting, tuna, shark.

    Shark? That's uncommon! Only place where I ever had shark was iceland, and
    it was pretty good. I also had sharkfin soup decades ago, but I doubt
    there was any actual shark in that soup. But the one in iceland was >excellent!

    There are a few small sharks that are commonly eaten. I'm not sure of
    the exact names. Gummy shark could be one of them. I've never had
    shark fin soup, real or fake.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 10 22:31:54 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:47:08 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:38:23 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I recommend pike and perch. Not very "fishy" and very good. Catch them >>>> yourself for better taste! =)

    I never see that here. Mackerel, snapper, sometimes striped trumpeter,
    whiting, tuna, shark.

    Shark? That's uncommon! Only place where I ever had shark was iceland, and >> it was pretty good. I also had sharkfin soup decades ago, but I doubt
    there was any actual shark in that soup. But the one in iceland was
    excellent!

    There are a few small sharks that are commonly eaten. I'm not sure of
    the exact names. Gummy shark could be one of them. I've never had
    shark fin soup, real or fake.

    Fascinating! You learn something new every day! The shark fin soup (real
    or fake) was nothing to write home about, so haven't had it since then.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 11 21:02:01 2024
    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.


    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Mar 11 17:38:32 2024
    On 3/11/2024 5:02 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.


    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)

    Years ago, that would be quite a treat. One trip to LV I was at the
    airport looking out the window as a plane was being unloaded. About 10
    boxes of lobster came down the conveyor. I'm sure they sold at premium
    price in the restaurant.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 11 17:52:54 2024
    On 2024-03-11 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 5:02 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)

    Years ago, that would be quite a treat.  One trip to LV I was at the
    airport looking out the window as a plane was being unloaded.  About 10 boxes of lobster came down the conveyor.  I'm sure they sold at premium price in the restaurant.


    I don't know if it still happens, but there used to be a guy who used to
    sell lobsters off the back of a truck at the side of the road near my
    office. They had been cooked fresh on the east coast and kept on ice
    for the trip here. The trip would be a minimum 15 hours. I bought a
    couple and they were pretty good.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Mar 12 09:35:54 2024
    On 11 Mar 2024 21:02:01 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.


    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has >practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)

    He's not stuck in the 60s?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Mar 12 10:06:21 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.


    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students!
    ;)

    I remember visiting once, and spent some time debating with a very nice, long-bearded, gentleman about evolution and if my girlfriend at the time
    was a hypocrite or not.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Mar 12 20:44:47 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At
    times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students!
    ;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite.
    Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 12 11:59:48 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students! >> ;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite. Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)


    Oh Bruce, sometimes you are so cute! ;)

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 12 13:09:54 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as
    an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast,
    fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students! >>;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite. Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 04:57:04 2024
    On 12 Mar 2024 13:09:54 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as >>>> an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast, >>>> fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students! >>>;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite.
    Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"

    Leo's a radical reactionary.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Wed Mar 13 06:50:10 2024
    On 12 Mar 2024 19:47:36 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"


    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.

    Think! Think harder!

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 19:53:37 2024
    D wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as >>>> an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast, >>>> fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has
    practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't
    agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its students! >>> ;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite.
    Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)


    Oh Bruce, sometimes you are so cute! ;)


    "Miss Bruce" is our resident group troll, so she "enjoys" the "pets" and "cuddles" some here give here...

    :-D

    --
    GM

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Mar 12 20:13:16 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"


    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 12 19:47:36 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"


    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 07:16:53 2024
    On 12 Mar 2024 20:13:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"

    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?

    And the planet in pollution?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 12 20:38:14 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?


    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Mar 12 21:43:17 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"


    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.


    And philosophy as well!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 21:43:58 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as >>>>> an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast, >>>>> fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has >>>>> practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't >>>>> agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its
    students!
    ;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite.
    Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)


    Oh Bruce, sometimes you are so cute! ;)


    "Miss Bruce" is our resident group troll, so she "enjoys" the "pets" and "cuddles" some here give here...

    :-D


    Believe me, I've started to learn. ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 12 21:49:21 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Reactionary, I think you'll find.

    "opposing political or social liberalization or reform"


    For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As we know,
    that's physics, but the rule applies nicely to politics as well.

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?



    So you're more like the master mind pitting socialists and conservatives against each other to get the mixture "just right"?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Wed Mar 13 08:28:55 2024
    On 12 Mar 2024 20:38:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?


    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    Aww... If only things were as simple as the little rightwingers think
    with their little brains :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Mar 13 08:31:37 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 21:43:58 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:06:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-10, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    When I was working, we made insulated boxes for lobster fisheries. At >>>>>>> times, we were able to get them very cheap.

    When I was a young man, one of my friends worked for the government as >>>>>> an electrical engineer on nuclear subs. Once, he had a job in New
    Haven, I believe, and flew back to Nevada with a big box of East Coast, >>>>>> fresh lobster. We all had a great lobster feed.
    He became bored with engineering, got a degree in psychology and has >>>>>> practiced in Berkeley for the last forty years. Politically, we don't >>>>>> agree on much anymore. ;)


    Dangerous stuff! Seems like Berkeley is good at radicalizing its
    students!
    ;)

    Disagreeing with Leo doesn't mean you're radical. Quite the opposite.
    Agreeing with Leo means you're radical :)


    Oh Bruce, sometimes you are so cute! ;)


    "Miss Bruce" is our resident group troll, so she "enjoys" the "pets" and
    "cuddles" some here give here...

    :-D


    Believe me, I've started to learn. ;)

    Greg calling someone a troll is like Hitler calling someone an
    antisemite.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Mar 12 21:59:15 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?


    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    What was the Republican Party platform in 2020? Just refresh my
    memory on that one.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Mar 12 23:49:23 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...

    --
    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 12 18:40:11 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?


    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    What was the Republican Party platform in 2020? Just refresh my
    memory on that one.


    MAGA?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to gregorymorrow@msn.com on Wed Mar 13 12:50:23 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:49:23 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...

    I remember when Gary called the Democrats sore losers. Hahahaha!

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 21:40:02 2024
    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Mar 13 03:25:56 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.


    Are you "Irish", Sire Hank... cuz' sometimes you SURE are full 'o "the blarney" ...

    B-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 18:37:47 2024
    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.


    Are you "Irish", Sire Hank... cuz' sometimes you SURE are full 'o "the blarney" ...

    B-)

    Nope, I just realize that trump was screwed. The election was stolen as you well know. Plus many indictments for crimes which HE never committed. He's
    the rightful president, but biden is sitting on his throne, and doing his
    job. And Biden committed all those crimes.

    The supreme court should do their job: Install donald john trump as
    dictator for life. This is the only action that can save our republic from ruin. 2000 Years ago, this was done for julius caesar. We can do that
    today, and make america great again. MAGA

    Do you not agree?

    Or are you getting cold feet?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Mar 13 21:01:52 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:49:23 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...

    I remember when Gary called the Democrats sore losers. Hahahaha!

    drain the swamp!

    remember that one?

    now you find out that the swamp to drain is Tumbykins brane...


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Mar 13 21:00:53 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2024 20:38:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Oh, I don't mind conservatives. They help us keep from going right
    off the rails when the starry-eyed liberals try to change too much,
    too quickly.

    There are precious few conservatives left, though. What, exactly
    is conserved by a person who wants to drown the government in a
    bathtub?


    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    Aww... If only things were as simple as the little rightwingers think
    with their little brains :)

    delusional thinking for sure.

    if you ever actually talk to people who work you find out
    how hard it is to find people to do the work they already
    have let alone finding yet more people to do the work that
    would then be added...


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 12:12:11 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:01:52 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:49:23 +0000, gregorymorrow@msn.com (GM) wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...

    I remember when Gary called the Democrats sore losers. Hahahaha!

    drain the swamp!

    remember that one?

    now you find out that the swamp to drain is Tumbykins brane...

    And what a job that is.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Mar 14 08:50:04 2024
    On 2024-03-13, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.


    Are you "Irish", Sire Hank... cuz' sometimes you SURE are full 'o "the
    blarney" ...

    B-)

    Nope, I just realize that trump was screwed. The election was stolen as you well know. Plus many indictments for crimes which HE never committed. He's the rightful president, but biden is sitting on his throne, and doing his job. And Biden committed all those crimes.

    The supreme court should do their job: Install donald john trump as
    dictator for life. This is the only action that can save our republic from ruin. 2000 Years ago, this was done for julius caesar.

    Consider how old Gaius ended up. Could we just cut to the chase
    and implement that for Donald?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 14 08:13:34 2024
    On 2024-03-14 2:50 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-13, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.


    Are you "Irish", Sire Hank... cuz' sometimes you SURE are full 'o "the
    blarney" ...

    B-)

    Nope, I just realize that trump was screwed. The election was stolen as you >> well know. Plus many indictments for crimes which HE never committed. He's >> the rightful president, but biden is sitting on his throne, and doing his
    job. And Biden committed all those crimes.

    The supreme court should do their job: Install donald john trump as
    dictator for life. This is the only action that can save our republic from >> ruin. 2000 Years ago, this was done for julius caesar.

    Consider how old Gaius ended up. Could we just cut to the chase
    and implement that for Donald?

    And tomorrow is the Ides of March, the anniversary of Caesar's
    assassination.
    Where is Brutus when we need him?

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Mar 14 14:39:44 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:


    MAGA?

    The 2020 election was STOLEN, Hank... donchyaknow...


    Like taking candy from a baby.


    Are you "Irish", Sire Hank... cuz' sometimes you SURE are full 'o "the
    blarney" ...

    B-)

    Nope, I just realize that trump was screwed. The election was stolen as you well know. Plus many indictments for crimes which HE never committed. He's the rightful president, but biden is sitting on his throne, and doing his job. And Biden committed all those crimes.

    The supreme court should do their job: Install donald john trump as
    dictator for life. This is the only action that can save our republic from ruin. 2000 Years ago, this was done for julius caesar. We can do that
    today, and make america great again. MAGA

    Do you not agree?

    Or are you getting cold feet?


    Sire Hank, when I have my "confab" with God this next Sunday morning, I am going to ask him to offer you a nice and well - paid gig in the coming Trump administration...!!!

    :-D

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Mar 14 14:49:19 2024
    Graham wrote:

    [...]

    And tomorrow is the Ides of March, the anniversary of Caesar's
    assassination.
    Where is Brutus when we need him?


    Tut - tut, my dear Graham...!!!

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    When you die you "will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death...”


    What does the Bible say about MURDER?

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/murder


    Exodus 20:13:

    “You shall not murder.


    Leviticus 24:17:

    “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death."


    1 John 3:15:

    "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."


    Revelation 21:8:

    "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    ;-P

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Mar 14 16:07:59 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?


    I never said that, Mike...

    --
    GM

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 15:36:10 2024
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 14 17:15:56 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    What was the Republican Party platform in 2020? Just refresh my
    memory on that one.


    Stop insanity? At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.
    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Mar 14 11:36:02 2024
    On 2024-03-14 9:36 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    Greg's a rabid Trump supporter so his sanity is in question!

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Mar 14 18:17:46 2024
    Graham wrote:

    On 2024-03-14 9:36 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    Greg's a rabid Trump supporter so his sanity is in question!


    "History will absolve me..."

    - Fidel Castro

    ;-P

    --
    GM

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Mar 14 17:03:58 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:36 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    Repeating stuff like this only gives him the attention he craves.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 08:17:49 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:03:58 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/14/2024 11:36 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    Repeating stuff like this only gives him the attention he craves.

    I've said that before, but Muffy doesn't get it.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Mar 14 17:43:40 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    ...
    Stop insanity? At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.
    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

    you're yet another super genius!


    songbird

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Mar 14 19:17:58 2024
    songbird wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    ...
    Stop insanity? At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.
    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

    you're yet another super genius!


    songbird


    Any idiot could see it coming, and it's all caused by biden.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 15 09:04:46 2024
    On 2024-03-14, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    What was the Republican Party platform in 2020? Just refresh my
    memory on that one.


    Stop insanity?

    RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to
    enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

    That's not a platform. That's an ass-kissing. At least they
    had a platform in 2016. With Lara Trump as the co-chair of the
    RNC, I don't expect they'll have a platform this year, either.

    At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.

    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

    Oh, noes! You're right. I think I've caught a cold for the first
    time since 2020.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Mar 15 14:36:15 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    ...
    Stop insanity? At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.
    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

    you're yet another super genius!


    songbird


    Any idiot could see it coming, and it's all caused by biden.


    Ronald Reagan said we are always one generation away from communism. I would argue we are at that point today...

    There is a major effort by leftists to distort history and today’s reality. They are driving division in this country aided by an education system that falls short by not teaching critical thinking. What is being taught is indoctrination...

    The big problem is these people vote and the left has taken over our universities and the Democratic Party. it is time for some to put their disgust for Donald Trump’s personality and determine which party has the interests of American people at heart..
    .

    If you use critical thinking the choice is obvious...

    --
    GM

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 15:39:42 2024
    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?


    I never said that, Mike...

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/LmOj5n7M8HA/m/5urlCt4XCQAJ

    Jan 07 2023 21:42:15:

    Wouldn't it be HILARIOUS to see Cunt
    Princess Jill get gang - raped, and
    then her skull crushed in with an anvil

    I do not see why 'anvil' vs. 'hammer' makes a big difference.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Mar 15 16:06:30 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?


    I never said that, Mike...

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/LmOj5n7M8HA/m/5urlCt4XCQAJ

    Jan 07 2023 21:42:15:

    Wouldn't it be HILARIOUS to see Cunt
    Princess Jill get gang - raped, and
    then her skull crushed in with an anvil

    I do not see why 'anvil' vs. 'hammer' makes a big difference.


    You are "dissembling*", Mike... but "nice try" anyways...

    *"Dissembling is a fancy word for being tricky, slippery, and deceitful. This word isn't just for people who lie and commit fraud: it specifically has to do with pretending. If you act like you're sorry you ate the last cookie, but you're secretly happy
    about it, you're dissembling..."

    :-D

    --
    GM <<=== will still give Mike a cookie in any case...

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Mar 16 04:59:50 2024
    On 15 Mar 2024 15:39:42 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    I never said that, Mike...

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/LmOj5n7M8HA/m/5urlCt4XCQAJ

    Jan 07 2023 21:42:15:

    <nasty Greg quote #789>

    I do not see why 'anvil' vs. 'hammer' makes a big difference.

    Again Muffy, why do you quote nasty stuff like that? Because you want
    to say it yourself but don't have the balls, so you hide behind
    someone else?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 15 18:36:00 2024
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 15 18:43:35 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-03-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote:

    I don't want to drown them. I just want to lay 75% off and allow
    them to luxuriate in the social welfare tub they created.
    Those left can easily pick up the slack.

    What was the Republican Party platform in 2020? Just refresh my
    memory on that one.


    Stop insanity?

    RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to
    enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

    That's not a platform. That's an ass-kissing. At least they
    had a platform in 2016. With Lara Trump as the co-chair of the
    RNC, I don't expect they'll have a platform this year, either.

    At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.

    Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
    become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I brought
    in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That let me
    register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South Carolina. Also
    simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in SC until the and now
    Don and I both pay Virginia.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 15 19:49:47 2024
    On 2024-03-15, Bruce wrote:
    On 15 Mar 2024 15:39:42 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    I never said that, Mike...

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/LmOj5n7M8HA/m/5urlCt4XCQAJ

    Jan 07 2023 21:42:15:

    <nasty Greg quote #789>

    I do not see why 'anvil' vs. 'hammer' makes a big difference.

    Again Muffy, why do you quote nasty stuff like that? Because you want
    to say it yourself but don't have the balls, so you hide behind
    someone else?

    Following that logic, you are in line behind both of us.

    Of course, with you, it's all about ass-sniffing.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 15 19:52:17 2024
    On 2024-03-15, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Oh, that's a fantasy. The yeoman citizenry lining up to do their
    sacred duty, emerging shriven with the "I voted" sticker. How is
    the form of voting more important than the act of voting?

    Until 2018, in Michigan in order to vote absentee you had to be
    1) 60 years of age or older
    2) Out of town
    3) Physically unable to attend the polls without assistance
    4) Unable to attend the polls because of the tenets of one's religion
    5) Appointed as an election inspector in another precinct
    6) Confined to jail awaiting arraignment or trial

    Then the good citizens of the State of Michigan decided that was
    bullshit. We now call it "no-reason absentee voting". You have
    to request a ballot. You can ask your local clerk to add you
    to a list to have the request form sent to you for every election.

    Democracy in action.

    I've voted absentee in every election since I turned 60. It's
    nice. I can research the issues and candidates as I fill out
    my ballot. I don't have to stand in line with a bunch of
    strangers who mean less to me than you do.

    The states that have implemented true mail-in voting have had
    no trouble with it.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Mar 15 19:56:16 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Bruce wrote:
    On 15 Mar 2024 15:39:42 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-14, GM wrote:

    DO remember, wishing murder upon someone is
    a ***venal*** sin... BEWARE - by very, VERY afraid...!!!

    So what were you thinking when you said
    "someone should take a hammer to Jill's skull?

    I never said that, Mike...
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/LmOj5n7M8HA/m/5urlCt4XCQAJ >>>
    Jan 07 2023 21:42:15:

    <nasty Greg quote #789>

    I do not see why 'anvil' vs. 'hammer' makes a big difference.

    Again Muffy, why do you quote nasty stuff like that? Because you want
    to say it yourself but don't have the balls, so you hide behind
    someone else?

    Following that logic, you are in line behind both of us.

    Of course, with you, it's all about ass-sniffing.


    <chuckle>

    --
    GM

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 15 17:49:39 2024
    On 3/15/2024 2:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.


    Trump used it in Florida himself. If it is good enough for Honest Don,
    it is good enough for me.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 22:59:51 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    ...
    Stop insanity? At any rate, they failed. Don't you just love those
    mail-in ballots? There's no chain of custody from the time they're
    printed.
    Nostraleo predicts another great pandemic before the next general
    election to mimic 2020. Wait for it! The CDC and WHO are gearing up!

    you're yet another super genius!


    songbird


    Any idiot could see it coming, and it's all caused by biden.


    Ronald Reagan said we are always one generation away from communism. I would argue we are at that point today...
    There is a major effort by leftists to distort history and today’s reality. They are driving division in this country aided by an education system that falls short by not teaching critical thinking. What is being taught is indoctrination...

    The big problem is these people vote and the left has taken over our universities and the Democratic Party. it is time for some to put their disgust for Donald Trump’s personality and determine which party has the interests of American people at heart...
    If you use critical thinking the choice is obvious...

    Ahh... but the manufactured "disgust" of Trump is a sign that he is
    irritating the powers that be. I think there can be no surer sign that
    Trump is the right choice, than when the media is all against him.

    In sweden the public education has also been dismantled and in some places
    they want to have sex education for children, and some actually believe
    that gender is a choice.

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
    sure.

    Hopefully people will wake up. When politics fights against reality,
    eventually reality wins. Let's just hope it is not too late. In november
    we'll know.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 16 10:03:10 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:59:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Any idiot could see it coming, and it's all caused by biden.

    Ronald Reagan said we are always one generation away from communism. I would >> argue we are at that point today...
    There is a major effort by leftists to distort history and today’s reality.
    They are driving division in this country aided by an education system that >> falls short by not teaching critical thinking. What is being taught is
    indoctrination...

    The big problem is these people vote and the left has taken over our
    universities and the Democratic Party. it is time for some to put their
    disgust for Donald Trump’s personality and determine which party has the >> interests of American people at heart...
    If you use critical thinking the choice is obvious...

    Ahh... but the manufactured "disgust" of Trump is a sign that he is >irritating the powers that be.

    I'm not a power that be. Or is. Or am!

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Mar 15 23:37:29 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/15/2024 2:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.


    Trump used it in Florida himself. If it is good enough for Honest Don,
    it is good enough for me.


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 20:01:06 2024
    On 3/15/2024 7:37 PM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/15/2024 2:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.  Trump has used them.
    Haven't you?  I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.


    Trump used it in Florida himself.  If it is good enough for Honest
    Don, it is good enough for me.


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of
    the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)


    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia. He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 16 11:27:41 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:01:06 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/15/2024 7:37 PM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/15/2024 2:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.  Trump has used them.
    Haven't you?  I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.


    Trump used it in Florida himself.  If it is good enough for Honest
    Don, it is good enough for me.


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of
    the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)


    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia. He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

    That reminds me when Trump passed a dementia test years ago, and
    thought this meant he was a genius. Ghe ghe.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 16 11:55:31 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:50:30 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-15 8:01 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:37 PM, GM wrote:


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of
    the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)

    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia.  He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    Nuts and demented are two different things. For instance, I don't
    think you suffer from dementia.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Mar 15 20:50:30 2024
    On 2024-03-15 8:01 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:37 PM, GM wrote:


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of
    the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)


    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia.  He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Mar 16 09:43:35 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-15 8:01 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:37 PM, GM wrote:


    It must be very humbling for you that President Trump is a resident of
    the same state as you, Ed...

    :-)


    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia.  He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:13:18 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 09:43:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-15 8:01 p.m., Ed P wrote:

    We take good care of seniors in need with dementia.  He is on the way

    https://share.newsbreak.com/6ek56ygv

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes)

    I agree. I've always sided with Israel, but Netanyahu's a war
    criminal. Then again, the right wing of any country's a despicable
    bunch of people.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 16 11:04:26 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:59:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Any idiot could see it coming, and it's all caused by biden.

    Ronald Reagan said we are always one generation away from communism. I would
    argue we are at that point today...
    There is a major effort by leftists to distort history and today’s reality.
    They are driving division in this country aided by an education system that >>> falls short by not teaching critical thinking. What is being taught is
    indoctrination...

    The big problem is these people vote and the left has taken over our
    universities and the Democratic Party. it is time for some to put their
    disgust for Donald Trump’s personality and determine which party has the >>> interests of American people at heart...
    If you use critical thinking the choice is obvious...

    Ahh... but the manufactured "disgust" of Trump is a sign that he is
    irritating the powers that be.

    I'm not a power that be. Or is. Or am!

    Prove it! ;)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Mar 16 09:32:26 2024
    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
    it. He is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the
    taking of hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they
    should be screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being
    given something to think about the next time they want to try something
    like that.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Mar 16 15:02:49 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 16 11:23:57 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 10:32:40 2024
    On 2024-03-16 10:23 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    It could stop in a minute if Hamas threw in the towel and released the hostages. Given that this all started with Hamas conducting a massive
    atrocity by invading, killing innocent people and taking 250 hostages, I
    cannot expect Israel to let up until the hostages are released.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Mar 16 10:47:36 2024
    On 3/16/2024 9:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath.  Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
    it. He is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate.  I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.

    Oh dear. Edward Kennedy, Jr. has thrown his hat into the mix as a third
    party candidate. The guy is wacky.

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the
    taking of hostages.  People are screaming for a cease fire when they
    should be screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages.  The bastards underestimated Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being
    given something to think about the next time they want to try something
    like that.

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 10:56:28 2024
    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and
    Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 16 11:00:08 2024
    On 2024-03-16 10:47 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 3/16/2024 9:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
    pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath.  Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
    it. He is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate.  I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.

    Oh dear.  Edward Kennedy, Jr. has thrown his hat into the mix as a third party candidate.  The guy is wacky.

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the
    taking of hostages.  People are screaming for a cease fire when they
    should be screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages.  The bastards
    underestimated Israel's response to their atrocities and they are
    being given something to think about the next time they want to try
    something like that.

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there.  He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region.  I wouldn't discount it.



    It is a difficult situation. I think we all know that Israel's
    neighbours don't want them there. Some are more strongly opposed to
    Israel than the others. We also know that after all the years of
    conflict and Palestinians living in refugee camps, no one else seems to
    want them. Part of that may be their not wanting to legitimize Israel's occupation.

    Israel has certainly not been without fault in the ongoing conflict.
    There has certainly been lots of provocation on their part. Near the top
    of the list is Israel's tolerance of the "settlements" on occupied land.

    The images coming out of Gaza these days are pretty appalling. The
    people looked so much happier back on Oct. 7 when they were celebrating
    in the streets over having given Israel a black eye.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sat Mar 16 11:28:24 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    ...mail in voting...
    Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
    become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I brought
    in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That let me
    register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South Carolina. Also simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in SC until the and now
    Don and I both pay Virginia.

    isn't it a great example of how Leo wants to control voting
    to be allowed by only those who show up in person?

    you can almost hear his boots clicking together he's
    puckered up so tight.

    disenfranchising elderly people and those unable to
    travel to a polling station along with those serving our
    country overseas (diplomats, agents and the military) is
    a great way to tell people that their country's gov't (aka
    us) cares for them.


    songbird

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 16 12:48:25 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:32:40 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 10:23 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    It could stop in a minute if Hamas threw in the towel and released the >hostages. Given that this all started with Hamas conducting a massive >atrocity by invading, killing innocent people and taking 250 hostages, I >cannot expect Israel to let up until the hostages are released.

    Just check up on what was going on long before on the west bank,
    created by settlers and complacently watched by Israeli soldiers
    standing by ready to protect the settlers if it back fired on them.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 12:50:48 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 9:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
    it. He is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.

    Oh dear. Edward Kennedy, Jr. has thrown his hat into the mix as a third >party candidate. The guy is wacky.

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the
    taking of hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they
    should be screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being
    given something to think about the next time they want to try something
    like that.

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 12:51:48 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:56:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and >Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

    I think if you asked people in Gaza whether they felt they were
    suffering a holocaust...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 16:55:37 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that
    there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
    the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can
    stop this tomorrow.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Who was it that on Sat Mar 16 16:21:57 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
    the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can
    stop this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 13:30:25 2024
    On 2024-03-16 11:48 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:32:40 -0400, Dave Smith

    It could stop in a minute if Hamas threw in the towel and released the
    hostages. Given that this all started with Hamas conducting a massive
    atrocity by invading, killing innocent people and taking 250 hostages, I
    cannot expect Israel to let up until the hostages are released.

    Just check up on what was going on long before on the west bank,
    created by settlers and complacently watched by Israeli soldiers
    standing by ready to protect the settlers if it back fired on them.

    I acknowledged that Israel was not completely innocent in the conflict. However, there is still that incursion by hundreds of Hamas fighters
    attacking and killing innocent civilians, taking hostages and then
    scurrying back to hide behind women and children.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 13:31:43 2024
    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 17:40:48 2024
    lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:56:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and >>Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

    I think if you asked people in Gaza whether they felt they were
    suffering a holocaust...


    Lucrezia, the "holocaust" the Gazans are "suffering" is a *direct* result of the actions of their Hamas *rulers"...

    Jill is 1000% correct, you are utterly mistaken in comparing the situation to what the Jews (and others) suffered at the hands of Germany in WW II...

    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 17 05:33:55 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    30,000 dead and counting is not justifiable. Saying that doesn't make
    me an antisemite. It makes me anti-Netanyahu. You're just as bad as
    the hysterical woke people who call everybody racist, anti-trans and
    whatnot.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 14:35:26 2024
    On 3/16/2024 11:51 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:56:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and
    Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

    I think if you asked people in Gaza whether they felt they were
    suffering a holocaust...

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 05:36:09 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
    assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sun Mar 17 05:37:51 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:32:40 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 10:23 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    It could stop in a minute if Hamas threw in the towel and released the >hostages. Given that this all started with Hamas conducting a massive >atrocity by invading, killing innocent people and taking 250 hostages, I >cannot expect Israel to let up until the hostages are released.

    How many of the 30,000 killed Palestinians were responsible for the
    atrocities that started all this?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 05:42:23 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:28:24 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    ...mail in voting...
    Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
    become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I brought
    in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That let me
    register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South Carolina. Also
    simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in SC until the and now
    Don and I both pay Virginia.

    isn't it a great example of how Leo wants to control voting
    to be allowed by only those who show up in person?

    you can almost hear his boots clicking together he's
    puckered up so tight.

    disenfranchising elderly people and those unable to
    travel to a polling station along with those serving our
    country overseas (diplomats, agents and the military) is
    a great way to tell people that their country's gov't (aka
    us) cares for them.

    Leo's ideal is to only allow voting for people who'll vote for Trump.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sun Mar 17 05:49:20 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 17 05:53:11 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 11:51 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:56:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and >>> Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

    I think if you asked people in Gaza whether they felt they were
    suffering a holocaust...

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 16 19:06:55 2024
    On 16/03/2024 18:33, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion >>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to >>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    30,000 dead and counting is not justifiable. Saying that doesn't make
    me an antisemite. It makes me anti-Netanyahu. You're just as bad as
    the hysterical woke people who call everybody racist, anti-trans and
    whatnot.

    +1

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 16 16:08:15 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    If Trudeau started fighting a war would you and your neighbours feel
    you were being starved and bombed because you started that war??

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 16:07:03 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty >>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
    sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
    candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 16 16:05:31 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 11:51 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:56:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 10:23 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    Current wars in the Middle East have little to do with the halocaust and >>> Hitler rounding up Jewish people (or any other "undesirables") and
    shipping them off to death camps in WWII. You cannot compare the two.

    Jill

    I think if you asked people in Gaza whether they felt they were
    suffering a holocaust...

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I don't think they do particularly want/choose Hamas, but seriously, I
    don't think they have much choice.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Mar 16 19:11:24 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 16:14:30 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 13:20:57 2024
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 13:23:54 2024
    On 2024-03-16 1:07 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The illegal west bank settlers adore him.
    Just corrected your comment!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 06:17:50 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:07:03 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    There are Jews outside of Israel too and many of them have spoken out
    against Netanyahu's war. Plus, if there were elections in Israel now,
    Netanyahu would lose.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:29:51 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see >>>>> it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something >>>>> to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages >>>> but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
    their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that >> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that
    there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
    the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop >> this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)


    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Mar 16 20:49:28 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Mar 16 20:52:16 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    They can't. Hamas has the guns and explosives. It's been that
    way for-fricking-ever.

    "No, you can't hide in my house."
    "Yes, I can." Bam.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 16 20:53:30 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 20:54:09 2024
    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
    It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
    enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
    him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 20:56:45 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see >>>>>> it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something >>>>>> to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages >>>>> but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that >>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that >>> there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind >>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop >>> this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease - >> fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
    Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)


    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things emotional.


    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...

    The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS, East German Neues Deutschland, and the
    present - day Cuban and North Korean "media organs"...

    Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love to shut down "the opposition"...

    Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news outlets...!!!

    I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State" went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...)
    and the Obama - Clinton - Democratic Cabal...

    Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6 January 2021 "coup", etcetera...

    However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:

    Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/

    "Ireland might seem to be an odd place for a populist uprising. It has swung sharply to the cultural left in recent years, approving same-sex marriage and legalizing first-trimester abortion by overwhelming margins. Yet even here the voters will put up
    with only so much social progressivism, as last weekend’s vote decisively rejecting two referenda demonstrated.

    The two votes were over whether to change the Irish constitution to remove language stating that marriage was the basis of family, and that mothers and women have a special duty to the family and to care of family members. The Irish elite considered
    these references to be sexist and gendered and thought they would easily gain assent to “updating” the constitution. The Irish themselves had other ideas. Sixty-eight percent rejected the measure changing the status of marriage, and 73 percent
    rejected the one removing references to mothers and women..."

    --
    GM









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    GM

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sat Mar 16 21:14:44 2024
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee
    requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about.
    I just learned what "butt" means, so I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more definitive than "arse". ;)

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Mar 16 21:28:43 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about.
    I just learned what "butt" means, so I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more definitive than "arse". ;)


    Hmmm... I smell the distinct odor of "ballot harvesting" wafting about...

    ;-)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 08:33:24 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 08:34:57 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews. >>>Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are >>>against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 16 21:46:32 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

    Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
    I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Mar 16 21:48:43 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
    would disagree with you.

    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about.

    That's exactly how it was done in the 19th Century.

    In any event, have you any evidence that what you describe actually
    happens?

    I just learned what "butt" means, so I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more definitive than "arse". ;)

    No, you didn't.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Mar 16 15:49:48 2024
    On 2024-03-16 2:49 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>>>>
    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.

    I don't know. However, they have definitely started to use the term in
    the last week or so.
    Perhaps as a result of illegal settlers killing Palestinians without any consequences.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 18:00:11 2024
    On 3/16/2024 11:50 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
    blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
    over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
    and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.

    I do think of them.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Mar 16 18:06:51 2024
    On 2024-03-16 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who >>>>>> was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there.  He >>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>> over the entire region.  I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians
    realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan.
    They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the
    fact that they had been totally defeated.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Mar 16 18:15:17 2024
    On 2024-03-16 4:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    They can't. Hamas has the guns and explosives. It's been that
    way for-fricking-ever.

    "No, you can't hide in my house."
    "Yes, I can." Bam.



    I find it difficult to fault Israel for striking back at their
    attackers when the cowardly bastards are firing from civilian areas. You
    can't attack while hiding behind women and children and then whine about
    your enemy killing women and children in their response. The military
    has ways of figuring out where rockets and mortars are fired from, and
    they care more about eliminating those threats than about killing the
    civilians who stuck around while they were were doing it.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Mar 16 22:19:06 2024
    Graham wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 2:49 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>>>>>
    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a >>>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.

    I don't know. However, they have definitely started to use the term in
    the last week or so.
    Perhaps as a result of illegal settlers killing Palestinians without any consequences.


    Israel has offered to return the "West Bank" to Jordan...

    Why has Jordan not taken Israel up on their kind offer, one wonders, Graham...???

    ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 09:25:56 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 21:46:32 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

    Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
    I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.

    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 16 22:41:51 2024
    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Mar 16 19:01:28 2024
    On 3/16/2024 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

    Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
    I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.

    Bruce should not try to meddle in (or understand) US voting rights.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Mar 16 19:05:29 2024
    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.


    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very
    young but it is not to be discounted. Bruce lives in his own little
    bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing everything. Have a bite
    of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    Jill

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 16 22:45:55 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her existing opinion. Confirmation bias.


    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Mar 17 10:20:40 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 22:41:51 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. >Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.

    I thought this was a good description of how the right wing works.
    Then I saw who the author was :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Mar 17 10:31:18 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
    the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 10:33:10 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:01:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

    Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
    I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.

    Bruce should not try to meddle in (or understand) US voting rights.

    Sometimes an outsider's perspective helps :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 10:34:39 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very >young but it is not to be discounted.

    Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
    Wiser? I didn't think so.

    Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing >everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    You forgot "tortured".

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to firstname@lastname.oc.ku on Sat Mar 16 21:34:47 2024
    +50!On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:06:55 +0000, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 16/03/2024 18:33, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
    hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
    screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated >>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>> see this.

    30,000 dead and counting is not justifiable. Saying that doesn't make
    me an antisemite. It makes me anti-Netanyahu. You're just as bad as
    the hysterical woke people who call everybody racist, anti-trans and
    whatnot.

    +1

    +50!

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Mar 16 21:39:05 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:20:57 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>

    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    If one goes to google and asks for Palestine in 1948 (when the UK
    insisted Israel have some Palestinian land) and Palestine today you
    can clearly see how they have treated Palestinians and stolen their
    land without any hesitation.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 16 21:44:27 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see >>>>>> it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
    incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something >>>>>> to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages >>>>> but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
    and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
    politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that >>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that >>> there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind >>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop >>> this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease - >> fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
    Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)


    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you >become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things >emotional.

    Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
    in Gaza, needs help IMO

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:45:41 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:52:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    They can't. Hamas has the guns and explosives. It's been that
    way for-fricking-ever.

    "No, you can't hide in my house."
    "Yes, I can." Bam.

    Correct, I believe

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:47:16 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago >>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but >>>>>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their >>>>>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>>see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews. >>>Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are >>>against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
    fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 00:55:19 2024
    On 17/03/2024 00:47, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:
    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
    fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

    I know quite a few US Jews - not ONE of them supports Netanyahu.
    Not statistically valid, of course...

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 22:04:29 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
    the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 22:10:13 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:34:39 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very >>young but it is not to be discounted.

    Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
    Wiser? I didn't think so.

    Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing >>everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    You forgot "tortured".

    Living through the Blitz teaches you the sense of fear of the dark
    hours when 'planes fly overhead dropping bombs. I don't know whether
    that still is so, probably worse with drones dropping them 24/24, I
    don't know. To this day, I know the sound of a siren evokes a
    reaction in me and so it does to another woman who lives in my
    building, she was Prussian living in Germany through the war, we have
    often discussed it and it was pretty much the same for both of us as
    kids.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 22:01:05 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.


    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very >young but it is not to be discounted. Bruce lives in his own little
    bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing everything. Have a bite
    of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    Jill

    Yes, I did live through the Blitz but I was lucky, we had a shelter.
    The poor people in Gaza do not, can't imagine what that is like :(

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 12:12:36 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
    the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Mar 16 21:00:07 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>>>>
    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.


    The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since
    before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets
    the upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever
    wanted to do is fight.

    If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be
    to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and
    old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good
    enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 16 21:11:37 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 3/16/2024 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.

    I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.

    We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
    once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.

    Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
    you don't pass you can't vote.

    Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
    I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.

    Bruce should not try to meddle in (or understand) US voting rights.

    Jill

    Why doesn't your majesty ban his sorry ass?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 13:15:20 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:10:13 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:34:39 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very >>>young but it is not to be discounted.

    Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
    Wiser? I didn't think so.

    Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing
    everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    You forgot "tortured".

    Living through the Blitz teaches you the sense of fear of the dark
    hours when 'planes fly overhead dropping bombs. I don't know whether
    that still is so, probably worse with drones dropping them 24/24, I
    don't know. To this day, I know the sound of a siren evokes a
    reaction in me and so it does to another woman who lives in my
    building, she was Prussian living in Germany through the war, we have
    often discussed it and it was pretty much the same for both of us as
    kids.

    I didn't live through that and I also think what Netanyahu's doing is
    wrong. I've always known he's evil.

    One of the reasons I always sided with Israel is that Israel wants
    peace, but Hamas wants the destruction of Israel. Constructive vs.
    destructive. Then came Netanyahu.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Mar 16 21:17:51 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.


    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very young but it is not to be discounted. Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing everything. Have a bite of
    diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

    Jill

    Things would settle down here, if only your majesty would allow bruce to
    sniff your royal ass hole.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 13:25:34 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:00:07 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.


    The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since >before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets
    the upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever >wanted to do is fight.

    If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be >to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and >old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good >enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.

    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:38:38 2024
    GM wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
    vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee
    requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about. I just learned what "butt" means, so
    I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more
    definitive than "arse". ;)


    Hmmm... I smell the distinct odor of "ballot harvesting" wafting about...

    ;-)


    Does it smell like trump's ass?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:36:19 2024
    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years >>>>>>>>> ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not >>>>>>> see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent >>>>>>> incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given
    something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the
    hostages but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof
    that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will
    find, that there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in
    mind the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas >>>> can stop this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a
    cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire"
    between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...??? >>>
    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)

    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.


    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...

    The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC,
    National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS,
    East German Neues Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean "media organs"...

    Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love
    to shut down "the opposition"...
    Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not
    to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news outlets...!!!

    I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State"
    went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected
    President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton - Democratic Cabal...

    Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6 January 2021 "coup", etcetera...

    However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:

    Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/


    "Ireland might seem to be an odd place for a populist uprising. It has
    swung sharply to the cultural left in recent years, approving same-sex marriage and legalizing first-trimester abortion by overwhelming margins.
    Yet even here the voters will put up with only so much social
    progressivism, as last weekend’s vote decisively rejecting two referenda demonstrated.

    The two votes were over whether to change the Irish constitution to remove language stating that marriage was the basis of family, and that mothers
    and women have a special duty to the family and to care of family members. The Irish elite considered these references to be sexist and gendered and thought they would easily gain assent to “updating” the constitution.
    The Irish themselves had other ideas. Sixty-eight percent rejected the measure changing the status of marriage, and 73 percent rejected the one removing references to mothers and women..."


    Trump would fix all this shit the day after inauguration as dictator for life.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 21:56:14 2024
    lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see >>>>>>> it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent >>>>>>> incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something
    to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages >>>>>> but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that >>>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that >>>> there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind >>>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop
    this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease -
    fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
    Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)


    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.

    Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
    in Gaza, needs help IMO


    We should airdrop an aid package to every woman and child in gaza: An M-16 rifle, 500 rnds ammo, 5 claymore mines and 12 grenades.

    We should do the same for those in israel.

    And let them fight it out.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Mar 17 02:56:17 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.  Trump has used them. >>>>> > Haven't you?  I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to >>>>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee
    requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about. I just learned what "butt" means, so
    I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more
    definitive than "arse". ;)


    Hmmm... I smell the distinct odor of "ballot harvesting" wafting about...

    ;-)


    Does it smell like trump's ass?


    Nope, Miss Bwuthie's sorry useless Oztard ass, lol...

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Mar 17 03:00:58 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years >>>>>>>>>> ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>>>> sociopath.  Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not >>>>>>>> see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>>>> candidate.  I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent >>>>>>>> incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>>>> hostages.  People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages.  The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given >>>>>>>> something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that. >>>>>>>
    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the
    hostages but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
    see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>>> politics.  Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask >>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof >>>>> that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will
    find, that there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in
    mind the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas >>>>> can stop this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a
    cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire"
    between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...??? >>>>
    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)

    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.


    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...

    The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC,
    National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the
    "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS,
    East German Neues Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean >> "media organs"...

    Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love
    to shut down "the opposition"...
    Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not >> to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news >> outlets...!!!

    I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State"
    went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected
    President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the
    FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton -
    Democratic Cabal...

    Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6
    January 2021 "coup", etcetera...

    However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:

    Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/


    "Ireland might seem to be an odd place for a populist uprising. It has
    swung sharply to the cultural left in recent years, approving same-sex
    marriage and legalizing first-trimester abortion by overwhelming margins.
    Yet even here the voters will put up with only so much social
    progressivism, as last weekend’s vote decisively rejecting two referenda
    demonstrated.

    The two votes were over whether to change the Irish constitution to remove >> language stating that marriage was the basis of family, and that mothers
    and women have a special duty to the family and to care of family members. >> The Irish elite considered these references to be sexist and gendered and
    thought they would easily gain assent to “updating” the constitution.
    The Irish themselves had other ideas. Sixty-eight percent rejected the
    measure changing the status of marriage, and 73 percent rejected the one
    removing references to mothers and women..."


    Trump would fix all this shit the day after inauguration as dictator for life.


    That's right, and Popeye will then be crowned King of the Jews...

    The Old Sailor will go RIGHT over and "settle the hash" of all them pesky Enemies of Israel...

    --
    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Mar 16 23:21:29 2024
    lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
    existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
    one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
    off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
    the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.


    It's real simple. Jews and arabs hate each other. They desperately want to
    kill each other. It's been that way for millenia.

    It will always be that way as long as they both exist.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Mar 17 09:05:27 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians
    realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan.
    They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the
    fact that they had been totally defeated.

    Please have the subtlety to distinguish between "Hamas" and
    "Palestinians". I'm sure starving babies don't need a thorough
    trouncing.

    Hamas are fanatics. They won't face facts, except this one:
    Israel has been shitting on Palestinians for 56 years.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 11:24:14 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.


    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...

    You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
    "socialist heaven"... europe.

    The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS, East German Neues Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean "media organs"...

    Don't forget SVT, the swedish public television. There was an academic publication that analyzed political identity of the employees of SVT
    many years ago and I think they came to the concluion that 70% where
    either socialist, communist or green.

    Trump is basically identified with Satan and climate change will kill
    the planet tomorrow. That's basically their current major themes except
    for Nato and how Trump wants to destroy Nato tomorrow and let russia
    invade sweden.

    Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love to shut down "the opposition"...
    Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news outlets...!!!

    Europe is absolutely horrible (see above). I do enjoy BBC:s in our time
    and some non-political content, but that's about it. I think the least socialist news are the telegraph in the UK and possibly the times.

    I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State" went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton - Democratic Cabal...

    Ohh let me tell you about another example of the european deep state,
    since there was a leak. A letter was leaked to the media after
    the current government (center, slightly right with support from the nationalist, so probably equivalent to the right wing of the democratic
    party in the US) came into power from the foreign department.

    What was the problem? The nationalists of course. So apparently at least
    50% of the employees at the foreign department had signed a letter where
    they promised not to carry out the foreign policy of the nationalist
    party in order to fight for democracy.

    I think the main ones responsible where quickly kicked out or reassigned
    to other government departments and then it was hushed down.

    This is just the top of the ice berg. So rest assured that the same
    thing is happening in the US against Trump and in argentina against
    Milei.

    Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6 January 2021 "coup", etcetera...

    Did people not see the photos? People where let in, roaming around and
    then leaving. That was not a coup. And Trump was not part of it, he was
    on a stage speaking, not roaming around in some government building.

    However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:

    Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/


    Watch the european parliament election in june. The left are deadly
    afraid that the public will revolt against all stupid environmental
    policies that makes their life impossible and expensive and vote right/nationalist.

    I believe there is a clear right/nationalist trend in europe at the
    moment, so I hope the right/nationalists will get a majority in the EU
    and then that undemocratic institution (I was never allowed to vote for
    its constitution btw, since the irish voted "wrong" other public votes
    where scrapped) will grind to a halt for 5 years and stop the madness temporarily.

    Then the public will have forgotten, socialists will return and will
    dismantle EU industry even more. But such is life. When my father dies,
    I'm more and more strongly thinking about perhaps moving to some very republican and rural place in the US to retire in peace.

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Mar 17 11:43:03 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>>>>
    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was >>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there.  He >>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>>> over the entire region.  I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
    pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan. They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the fact that they had been totally defeated.




    Perhaps they'll realize that since everything had been (or will be) bombed
    to pieces, there is not way they can rebuild on their own, and will
    instead use sob stories to get international funding.

    I hope that that international funding will come with strict requirements
    about governance for the area.

    Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
    think there is much to be said for israel administering such a program,
    since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden funding and
    rebuilds of hamas.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Mar 17 11:44:41 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
    in this forum, right? ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 17 21:32:11 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.

    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the
    West...

    You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
    "socialist heaven"... europe.

    Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because
    they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.

    <snipped the rest unread, phew>

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  • From D@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 11:46:42 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was >>>>>>>>> pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see >>>>>>> it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent >>>>>>> incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
    underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something
    to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages >>>>>> but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for >>>>>> their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!


    Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that >>>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that >>>> there is none.

    Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind >>>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop
    this tomorrow.


    Thank you...!!!

    Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease -
    fire *already* in effect on *6* October...

    Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???

    Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???

    If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
    Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???

    Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???

    :-)


    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
    become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.

    Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
    in Gaza, needs help IMO


    True. The israeli mothers and kids who were attacked by hamas. I
    understand that.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Mar 17 11:49:02 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>>>>>
    The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who >>>>>>>> was
    recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He >>>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take >>>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.

    Jill

    He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people >>>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.


    It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a >>>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.

    An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
    killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
    got them all.

    I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
    Lebanon all of this time!

    The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
    I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem as "occupied".

    Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
    news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.


    The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets the upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever wanted to do is fight.

    If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.


    There's the classic joke. How do we contain the wars? Easy! Build a wall
    around the area, but on a lid, wait 100 years and the problem will have
    taken care of itself. ;)

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 09:30:06 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only >>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her >>>>off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
    the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to firstname@lastname.oc.ku on Sun Mar 17 09:30:23 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:55:19 +0000, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 17/03/2024 00:47, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:
    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews. >>>>> Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
    fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

    I know quite a few US Jews - not ONE of them supports Netanyahu.
    Not statistically valid, of course...

    Maybe not, but I am glad to hear that some see it all from this side
    of the ocean and feel it is totally wrong - seems really to take us
    back centuries proving we haven't learned much :(

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 08:48:22 2024
    On 3/16/2024 8:47 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
    when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
    obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I >>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton. >>>>>>>>
    They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and >>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia. >>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
    is a whacko.

    Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic >>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to >>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for >>>>>>>> him in November.


    I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
    into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of >>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be >>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
    Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
    think about the next time they want to try something like that.

    Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
    instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
    own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot >>>>>> see this.

    You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk >>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of >>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
    them if they mean Gaza!

    This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
    Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
    against what Netanyahu's doing.

    I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
    him.

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
    fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

    I only know three, no make that four, Jewish people (that I know of).
    None of them support or voted for Biden. It astonishes me they fail to recognize if Trump had lived in Hitler's time he would have been
    goose-stepping right alongside.

    Jill

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 13:08:40 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so >>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so >>> sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
    Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
    in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...); Dave Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump
    Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or
    actions undertaken by his administration..."

    ;-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 09:20:12 2024
    On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
    retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
    not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. >>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
    people in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices
    of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many
    here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
    criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard
    towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration..."

    ;-)

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 09:18:43 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

    yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
    and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

    imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
    wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
    that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
    the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
    funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
    toxic stuff...


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 09:15:43 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

    when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
    that's what happens.

    the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
    warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
    happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
    deserved.


    songbird

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 17 13:39:05 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
    retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
    not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. >>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
    people in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices
    of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave Smith, a
    Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many
    here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
    criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald
    Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard
    towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his
    administration..."

    ;-)

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.


    Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus "practical - minded"...

    In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"

    ;-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 13:51:42 2024
    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only >>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her >>>>>off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on >>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 17 13:53:14 2024
    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Mar 17 13:54:16 2024
    On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

    yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
    and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

    imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
    wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
    that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
    the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
    funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
    toxic stuff...

    Have you met any human beings? Conflict is what they do.
    Ever since the second caveman killed the first caveman and
    took his cave, his tools, and his women.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Mar 17 13:55:30 2024
    On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or
    Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

    when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
    that's what happens.

    the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
    warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
    happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
    deserved.

    The GOP didn't really want Trump. But the primary process tends
    to drive toward the extremes. Once he was anointed, the GOP fell
    in line behind them to maintain their power.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 17 10:00:48 2024
    On 2024-03-17 5:05 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians
    realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan.
    They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the
    fact that they had been totally defeated.

    Please have the subtlety to distinguish between "Hamas" and
    "Palestinians". I'm sure starving babies don't need a thorough
    trouncing.

    Hamas are fanatics. They won't face facts, except this one:
    Israel has been shitting on Palestinians for 56 years.


    It's the fog of war. When rockets and mortars are being fired from the
    middle of the street or from a school yard and there are Palestinian
    civilians standing around watching and doing nothing to stop them it is
    hard to tell them apart.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Mar 17 10:08:34 2024
    On 3/17/2024 9:18 AM, songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

    yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
    and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

    imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
    wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
    that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
    the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
    funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
    toxic stuff...


    songbird

    That will work. Just have to get present leaders from every nation to
    agree "I'm the best and only leader so we do things my way"

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 10:12:24 2024
    On 2024-03-17 6:43 a.m., D wrote:

    I hope that that international funding will come with strict
    requirements about governance for the area.

    Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
    think there is much to be said for israel administering such a program,
    since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden funding and
    rebuilds of hamas.


    They have been receiving a lot of funding for years. It is curious that
    they need so much international aid to provide food, medicine and
    educational supplies but Hamas still has the resources to construct a
    vast complex of tunnels and to buy rockets, mortars and other arms.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 10:18:53 2024
    On 3/17/2024 9:39 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
    retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm >>>>>> not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples
    vote.
    Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
    people in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate
    "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave
    Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately,
    like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement
    Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
    criticism or negative reactions to former United States president
    Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little
    regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken
    by his administration..."

    ;-)

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.


    Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus
    "practical - minded"...

    In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please
    make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I
    will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"

    ;-)

    I'll let you know in November if it worked.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 17 14:27:53 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 9:39 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
    retrogress so
    much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm >>>>>>> not so
    sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet. >>>>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples >>>>>> vote.
    Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
    people in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate
    "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave
    Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately,
    like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement
    Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
    criticism or negative reactions to former United States president
    Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little
    regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken
    by his administration..."

    ;-)

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.


    Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus
    "practical - minded"...

    In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please
    make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I
    will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"

    ;-)

    I'll let you know in November if it worked.


    Fair enough... and I'll "sweeten the deal" - if you vote for President Trump, I'll gift you
    one of those Viennese Sacher Tortes that I know you like:

    https://www.sacher.com/en/original-sacher-torte/recipe/

    ;-D

    --
    GM

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 15:45:58 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you >>>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
    understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
    emotional.

    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the
    West...

    You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
    "socialist heaven"... europe.

    Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.

    <snipped the rest unread, phew>


    You do know that right wing in europe and right wing in the US is vastly different? Right wing in most of europe is basically right wing
    democracts.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 15:47:43 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so >>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so >>>> sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. >>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
    in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...); Dave Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration..."

    ;-)



    Oh well, for the moment then, we're 3! ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 17 15:50:15 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 13:46:40 2024
    On 17 Mar 2024 13:51:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only >>>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her >>>>>>off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on >>>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why >>>>other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza >>>>in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    He is basically their 'elected' prime minister.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Mar 17 17:38:13 2024
    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2024 13:51:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>>wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only >>>>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her >>>>>>>off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on >>>>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why >>>>>other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza >>>>>in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    He is basically their 'elected' prime minister.

    He is basically nothing at all to Jews who live in the U.S.
    For example, https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-jewish-group-protests-eight-cities-gaza-ceasefire-2023-12-15/

    I ask again: what leverage do they have on him? How, exactly, are
    they to exert force on him?


    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 18:40:21 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!


    Yes, remember Hillary Clinton calling her foes "deplorables"... one of *many* examples on the US "democratic" side...

    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Mon Mar 18 06:13:30 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:30:06 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her >>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.

    I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only >>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her >>>>>off.

    I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.

    But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on >>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

    Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
    other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
    in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

    I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
    Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
    Jews in general.

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    I don't know the details of Israeli politics. I know that the polls
    say Netanyahu would lose an election of there was one today.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 06:17:04 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:48:22 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 3/16/2024 8:47 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

    Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
    fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

    I only know three, no make that four, Jewish people (that I know of).
    None of them support or voted for Biden. It astonishes me they fail to >recognize if Trump had lived in Hitler's time he would have been >goose-stepping right alongside.

    Bingo.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 06:22:54 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:15:43 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or
    Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

    when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
    that's what happens.

    the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
    warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
    happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
    deserved.

    A woody perennial plant, smaller than a tree, with several major
    branches arising from near the base of the main stem?

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 19:23:33 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so >>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so >>>>> sure.


    While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
    Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote. >>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.


    Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people >>> in this forum, right? ;)


    On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices of
    reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...); Dave Smith, a Canadian, is
    also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many here, he suffers
    that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

    "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism
    or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are
    perceived to be irrational and to have little regard towards Trump's actual >> policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration..."

    ;-)



    Oh well, for the moment then, we're 3! ;)


    "Welcome to the club..."

    ;-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 18 06:40:19 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:45:58 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the >>>> West...

    You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
    "socialist heaven"... europe.

    Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because
    they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.

    <snipped the rest unread, phew>

    You do know that right wing in europe and right wing in the US is vastly >different? Right wing in most of europe is basically right wing
    democracts.

    Yes, European right wing has a little bit more empathy and humanity.
    It's also not as poisoned by fundamentalist Christianity as in the US.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 18 06:41:10 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Mon Mar 18 06:44:00 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:46:40 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On 17 Mar 2024 13:51:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    He is basically their 'elected' prime minister.

    The country's at war. I don't think it's easy to get rid of a prime
    minister during a state of emergency, in any country.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Mar 17 19:46:01 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used them.
    Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason
    to >> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
    If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
    person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
    voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
    Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
    signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
    what this country should be about.
    I just learned what "butt" means, so I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way
    more definitive than "arse". ;)

    It's the same thing Leo. It gets mailed in. It's identical in all
    ways. Form and everything. You are trying to make a distinction that
    doesn't exist.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Mar 17 19:53:39 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station
    to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care
    enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
    would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that. I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Mar 17 14:10:17 2024
    On 2024-03-17 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-17 6:43 a.m., D wrote:

    I hope that that international funding will come with strict
    requirements about governance for the area.

    Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
    think there is much to be said for israel administering such a
    program, since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden
    funding and rebuilds of hamas.


    They have been receiving a lot of funding for years.

    Israel has been receiving a LOT of funding for years!!!

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Mar 17 20:05:24 2024
    songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    ...mail in voting...
    Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
    become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I
    brought in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That
    let me register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South
    Carolina. Also simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in
    SC until the and now Don and I both pay Virginia.

    isn't it a great example of how Leo wants to control voting
    to be allowed by only those who show up in person?

    you can almost hear his boots clicking together he's
    puckered up so tight.

    disenfranchising elderly people and those unable to
    travel to a polling station along with those serving our
    country overseas (diplomats, agents and the military) is
    a great way to tell people that their country's gov't (aka
    us) cares for them.


    songbird

    Yes, not he's trying to play games and pretend an absentee ballot is
    different from mail in. Good luck. Even on shore duty in Virginia
    before military retirement I had to do a mail in to SC because it was
    my legal state of residence.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Mar 17 20:32:22 2024
    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.


    A Connecticut Yankee in Gov. DeSantis' Court. Does he know?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to gregorymorrow@msn.com on Sun Mar 17 20:42:36 2024
    On 2024-03-17, GM <gregorymorrow@msn.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    I'll let you know in November if it worked.

    Fair enough... and I'll "sweeten the deal" - if you vote for President Trump, I'll gift you
    one of those Viennese Sacher Tortes that I know you like:

    https://www.sacher.com/en/original-sacher-torte/recipe/


    No! No! No! Vote harvesting! ;)

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 20:46:58 2024
    On 17/03/2024 19:22, Bruce wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:15:43 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or
    Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

    when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
    that's what happens.

    the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
    warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
    happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
    deserved.

    A woody perennial plant, smaller than a tree, with several major
    branches arising from near the base of the main stem?

    A bush...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 21:52:26 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:45:58 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the >>>>> West...

    You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
    "socialist heaven"... europe.

    Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because
    they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.

    <snipped the rest unread, phew>

    You do know that right wing in europe and right wing in the US is vastly
    different? Right wing in most of europe is basically right wing
    democracts.

    Yes, European right wing has a little bit more empathy and humanity.
    It's also not as poisoned by fundamentalist Christianity as in the US.


    What do you mean? Ahh, you mean more stupidity, got it! ;) Jesus died for
    your sins too, you know!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 18 07:59:30 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult. >>>>
    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sun Mar 17 21:01:36 2024
    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station
    to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care
    enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
    would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections to be
    conducted entirely by mail.

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, and
    Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and ensuring
    safe ballot handling.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Graham on Sun Mar 17 18:43:22 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 14:10:17 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-17 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-17 6:43 a.m., D wrote:

    I hope that that international funding will come with strict
    requirements about governance for the area.

    Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
    think there is much to be said for israel administering such a
    program, since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden
    funding and rebuilds of hamas.


    They have been receiving a lot of funding for years.

    Israel has been receiving a LOT of funding for years!!!

    And still receives billions from the USA!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 17 23:16:11 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult. >>>>>
    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 18 09:27:05 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:16:11 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult. >>>>>>
    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
    cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    If you vote for Biden, you're a cheater? Does not compute.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Mon Mar 18 09:24:57 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 18:43:22 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 14:10:17 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-17 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-17 6:43 a.m., D wrote:

    I hope that that international funding will come with strict
    requirements about governance for the area.

    Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
    think there is much to be said for israel administering such a
    program, since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden
    funding and rebuilds of hamas.

    They have been receiving a lot of funding for years.

    Israel has been receiving a LOT of funding for years!!!

    And still receives billions from the USA!

    Worldwide: 15 million Jews, 456 million Arabs, 1.8 billion Muslims. A
    bit of help is only fair.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 19:14:56 2024
    On 2024-03-17 6:16 p.m., D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    I remember a lot of bitching and whining by the Republicans about voter
    fraud and it turned out that there had been some, but it had been
    committed my Republicans.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 20:51:03 2024
    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please. Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 18 14:01:15 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:51:03 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please. Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Trump says it, Daniel believes it. If that isn't proof, then what is?

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Mar 18 03:00:53 2024
    On 2024-03-17, Hank Rogers wrote:

    The jews and arabs have been fighting since before recorded history.

    Not accurate. History had already been recorded for millenia in China
    and Egypt before the time of Abraham.

    Abraham's son Isaac was the progenitor of the tribes of Israel.

    Abraham's son Ishmael was the progenitor of the Arabs.

    The Jewish & Arab fighting started with the two brothers
    Isaac and Ismael, probably over who could ride the camel, &c.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Mar 18 06:22:09 2024
    Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Hank Rogers wrote:

    The jews and arabs have been fighting since before recorded history.

    Not accurate. History had already been recorded for millenia in China
    and Egypt before the time of Abraham.

    Abraham's son Isaac was the progenitor of the tribes of Israel.

    Abraham's son Ishmael was the progenitor of the Arabs.

    The Jewish & Arab fighting started with the two brothers
    Isaac and Ismael, probably over who could ride the camel, &c.



    Piss on the both of them anyway.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 18 09:43:00 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:16:11 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

    Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a >>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    If you vote for Biden, you're a cheater? Does not compute.

    Didn't you hear Bruce? The election was stolen. You gotta listen to the
    leader!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 18 09:45:16 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please. Fifty court cases have not proved it.


    You know they are cooperating Ed! Only when Trump wins, will proof be
    produced if there's interest in it, but I fear democrats will revolt and
    that there will be blood on the streets.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 09:40:19 2024
    In article <ut7h60$3mip6$5@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:46:40 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On 17 Mar 2024 13:51:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    He is basically their 'elected' prime minister.

    The country's at war. I don't think it's easy to get rid of a prime
    minister during a state of emergency, in any country.


    Australia had 5 new PMs during WW2

    Janet UK



    Janet UK

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 09:45:29 2024
    In article
    <ekWdnQ5K2JHe12r4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station
    to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
    would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You are incredibly unaware of your own country.

    Janet UK

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Mon Mar 18 20:46:31 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:40:19 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <ut7h60$3mip6$5@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:46:40 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On 17 Mar 2024 13:51:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:

    Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
    him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
    power.

    What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
    of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

    He is basically their 'elected' prime minister.

    The country's at war. I don't think it's easy to get rid of a prime
    minister during a state of emergency, in any country.


    Australia had 5 new PMs during WW2

    Congratulations.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 18 10:21:00 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a
    MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please. Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the banana republic tricks and lawfare have
    worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The guy is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts have just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on your faces and face the music. It is Biden
    vs. Trump. The voters will decide...

    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the Republican nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him ineligible to serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal issues do little to reduce his popularity and in
    some cases appear to enhance it. Polls show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...

    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that is not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working against you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in any of this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)

    --
    GM

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Mar 18 08:57:20 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Hank Rogers wrote:

    The jews and arabs have been fighting since before recorded history.

    Not accurate. History had already been recorded for millenia in China
    and Egypt before the time of Abraham.

    if there was an Abraham at all.


    Abraham's son Isaac was the progenitor of the tribes of Israel.

    Abraham's son Ishmael was the progenitor of the Arabs.

    The Jewish & Arab fighting started with the two brothers
    Isaac and Ismael, probably over who could ride the camel, &c.

    Piss on the both of them anyway.

    a lot of myths involved, go look at what historians
    have been able to figure out from other sources (and
    evidence). some Biblical things have been verified
    but not nearly everything by a huge margin.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 18 08:50:17 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

    yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
    and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

    imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
    wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
    that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
    the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
    funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
    toxic stuff...

    Have you met any human beings? Conflict is what they do.
    Ever since the second caveman killed the first caveman and
    took his cave, his tools, and his women.

    this is a myth. if there was that much violence going
    on that mattered we'd already be extinct. we nearly got
    there during the ice-ages and bottleneck but now that is
    past. time to grow up and get on with useful things like
    figuring out how to survive in space on extended voyages.

    there's a lot of hot-air and blathering going on all
    the time but most people really don't care to fight,
    but what they do enjoy is blathering (pretty much what
    usenet is too :) ).


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Mar 18 08:46:41 2024
    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 17/03/2024 19:22, Bruce wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:15:43 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or >>>> Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
    stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

    when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
    that's what happens.

    the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
    warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
    happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
    deserved.

    A woody perennial plant, smaller than a tree, with several major
    branches arising from near the base of the main stem?

    A bush...

    both accurate descriptions.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Mar 18 13:10:56 2024
    On 2024-03-18, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
    Arabs?

    yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
    and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

    imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
    wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
    that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
    the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
    funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
    toxic stuff...

    Have you met any human beings? Conflict is what they do.
    Ever since the second caveman killed the first caveman and
    took his cave, his tools, and his women.

    this is a myth.

    It was a metaphor.

    if there was that much violence going
    on that mattered we'd already be extinct.

    You should look up how many bones they've found with marks
    from weapons and human teeth.

    we nearly got
    there during the ice-ages and bottleneck but now that is
    past. time to grow up and get on with useful things like
    figuring out how to survive in space on extended voyages.

    there's a lot of hot-air and blathering going on all
    the time but most people really don't care to fight,
    but what they do enjoy is blathering (pretty much what
    usenet is too :) ).

    That's because we live in an unprecented era of plentiful
    resources. As soon as we run out of oil, potable water, or
    food, then our species' true colors (blood red, typically)
    will come to the fore.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 09:50:11 2024
    On 3/18/2024 6:21 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the >>>>>>>>> MAGA cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a >>>>>> MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please.  Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is
    going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and
    square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the banana republic tricks and lawfare have worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The
    guy is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts
    have just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on
    your faces and face the music. It is Biden vs. Trump. The voters will decide...

    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the
    Republican nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him ineligible to serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal
    issues do little to reduce his popularity and in some cases appear to
    enhance it. Polls show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...
    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that
    is not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working
    against you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in
    any of this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)

    Yes, Biden bet him once, this time may be even bigger margin.

    Trump may win from inside a jail cell because that is the type of cult
    follower he has. Sad when you step back and look at it. Every jacked
    up pickup is a vote for Trump.

    Remember some of the silly things we did in junior high? Trump still
    does them an captivates his followers. Calling the governor of
    California Newscum show what a classy guy he is, yet people will vote
    for him to be our leader in the world.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Mar 18 14:09:34 2024
    On 2024-03-18, songbird wrote:

    some Biblical things have been verified
    but not nearly everything by a huge margin.

    I believe that somewhere on Earth (current India or thereabouts)
    local alchemists &c had a brief flowering of scientific
    development ~12K BCE. The big difference was they kept their
    tech secret instead of giving it away.

    Don't forget that we went from steam engines
    to rocket engines in only a few hundred years.

    The 'cheriubum' that guarded the gates of Eden were
    obviously an automated laser defense perimeter.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 18 14:33:55 2024
    On 2024-03-18, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    You should look up how many bones they've found
    with marks from weapons and human teeth.

    (1) Male chimps will kill unknown males on contact.

    (2) Cindy is correct; the first BBQs were often
    'bring your own'.

    (3) In fables, giants often ate people.

    (4) 'There were giants in those days.'

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 18 14:30:03 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/18/2024 6:21 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>


    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the >>>>>>>>>> MAGA cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a >>>>>>> MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please.  Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is
    going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and
    square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the
    banana republic tricks and lawfare have worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The
    guy is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts
    have just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on
    your faces and face the music. It is Biden vs. Trump. The voters will
    decide...

    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the
    Republican nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him
    ineligible to serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal
    issues do little to reduce his popularity and in some cases appear to
    enhance it. Polls show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...
    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that
    is not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working
    against you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in
    any of this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)

    Yes, Biden bet him once, this time may be even bigger margin.

    Trump may win from inside a jail cell because that is the type of cult follower he has. Sad when you step back and look at it. Every jacked
    up pickup is a vote for Trump.

    Remember some of the silly things we did in junior high? Trump still
    does them an captivates his followers. Calling the governor of
    California Newscum show what a classy guy he is, yet people will vote
    for him to be our leader in the world.


    Hillary Clinton calling Trump followers "deplorables" shows what a classy gal she is, yet people voted for her to be our leader in the world...

    ;-)

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Mar 18 14:36:57 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, songbird wrote:

    some Biblical things have been verified
    but not nearly everything by a huge margin.

    I believe that somewhere on Earth (current India or thereabouts)
    local alchemists &c had a brief flowering of scientific
    development ~12K BCE. The big difference was they kept their
    tech secret instead of giving it away.

    Don't forget that we went from steam engines
    to rocket engines in only a few hundred years.

    The 'cheriubum' that guarded the gates of Eden were
    obviously an automated laser defense perimeter.


    That's very "Chariots of the Gods?", Mike... I hear an alien "calling me"...!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F

    "Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past (German: Erinnerungen an die Zukunft: Ungelöste Rätsel der Vergangenheit; in English, Memories of the Future: Unsolved Mysteries of the Past) is a book written in 1968 by Erich von Däniken and
    translated from the original German by Michael Heron. It involves the hypothesis that the technologies and religions of many ancient civilizations were given to them by ancient astronauts who were welcomed as gods...


    The main thesis of Chariots of the Gods is that extraterrestrial beings influenced ancient technology. Von Däniken suggests that some ancient structures and artifacts appear to reflect more sophisticated technological knowledge than is known or presumed
    to have existed at the times they were manufactured. Von Däniken maintains that these artifacts were produced either by extraterrestrial visitors or by humans who learned the necessary knowledge from extraterrestrials...


    Such artifacts include the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, and the Moai of Easter Island. Further examples include an early world map known as the Piri Reis map, which von Däniken describes as showing Earth as it is seen from space, and the Nazca Lines
    in Peru, which he suggests may have been constructed by humans as crude replicas of previous alien structures, as a way to call the aliens back to Earth. He uses this same explanation to argue that cart ruts in Malta may have had extraterrestrial
    purposes along with similar lines in Australia, Saudi Arabia, and the Aral Sea...


    The book further suggests that the origins of many religions, including interpretations of the Old Testament of the Bible, are reactions to contact with an alien race...


    Examples include Ezekiel's vision of the angels and the wheels, which Von Däniken interprets as a description of a spacecraft; the Ark of the Covenant, which is explained as a device intended for communication with an alien race; and the destruction of
    Sodom by fire and brimstone, which is interpreted as a nuclear explosion..."

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Mar 18 17:15:38 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/18/2024 6:21 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>


    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the >>>>>>>>>> MAGA cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a >>>>>>> MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please.  Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is
    going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and
    square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the
    banana republic tricks and lawfare have worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The
    guy is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts
    have just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on
    your faces and face the music. It is Biden vs. Trump. The voters will
    decide...

    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the
    Republican nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him
    ineligible to serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal
    issues do little to reduce his popularity and in some cases appear to
    enhance it. Polls show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...
    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that
    is not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working
    against you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in
    any of this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)

    Yes, Biden bet him once, this time may be even bigger margin.

    Trump may win from inside a jail cell because that is the type of cult follower he has. Sad when you step back and look at it. Every jacked
    up pickup is a vote for Trump.

    Remember some of the silly things we did in junior high? Trump still
    does them an captivates his followers. Calling the governor of
    California Newscum show what a classy guy he is, yet people will vote
    for him to be our leader in the world.


    Ed, the dems and their lying MSM propoganda organs were surprised and humiliated when some populist outsider somehow won in 2016...

    Their response was to create what might be called a "resistance", but was really more like a coup attempt and still is: an organized group of public officials, from intelligence agencies and judges and prosecutors, and 95% of the media, etc., violating
    norms and the law and pretending Trump is violating norms and the law....


    --
    GM

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Mar 18 19:08:18 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, songbird wrote:

    some Biblical things have been verified
    but not nearly everything by a huge margin.

    I believe that somewhere on Earth (current India or thereabouts)
    local alchemists &c had a brief flowering of scientific
    development ~12K BCE. The big difference was they kept their
    tech secret instead of giving it away.

    Don't forget that we went from steam engines
    to rocket engines in only a few hundred years.

    The 'cheriubum' that guarded the gates of Eden were
    obviously an automated laser defense perimeter.

    Brilliant! And god nuked sodom and gomorra!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 19:03:26 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a >>>>>> MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please. Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the banana republic tricks and lawfare have worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The guy is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts have just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on your faces and face the music. It is Biden vs. Trump. The voters will decide...

    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the Republican nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him ineligible to serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal issues do little to reduce his popularity and in some cases appear to enhance it. Polls show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...
    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that is not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working against you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in any of this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)


    Ahh, can't wait! I already get enormous pleasure out of imagining swedish socialist journalists foaming at the mouths for 4 years!

    If there are any democrats here who would consider voting for Trump, I'll
    throw in free travel advice for a trip to sweden as a bonus if that would
    tip the scales in Trumps favor! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 19:08:52 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/18/2024 6:21 AM, GM wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/17/2024 6:16 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:52:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:50:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>


    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA >>>>>>>>>>> cult.

    Well, of course.  MAGA isn't actually conservative.  It's just a >>>>>>>>>> cult for hating anyone different from its members.



    Ahh like the woke-cult!

    Yes, but the MAGA cult is much bigger. Half of the US seems to be a >>>>>>>> MAGA dumbass.

    How come Biden is president then?

    The other half are the smarter ones.

    Ahh, cheaters you mean!

    Evidence please.  Fifty court cases have not proved it.

    Speaking as a friend: Ed, it is time to face reality. Your candidate is
    going to have to beat Donald Trump at the polls in November fair and
    square. You impeached our guy twice without lasting effect. None of the
    banana republic tricks and lawfare have worked...

    There was also a real Republican primary which Trump won majorly. The guy >>> is not made of Teflon or anything special like that; your efforts have
    just been lame and ineffectual. Time to splash some cold water on your
    faces and face the music. It is Biden vs. Trump. The voters will decide... >>>
    Nothing on the legal horizon will prevent Trump from being the Republican >>> nominee. Nothing even in worst case scenarios will leave him ineligible to >>> serve as president. Polls consistently show these legal issues do little >>> to reduce his popularity and in some cases appear to enhance it. Polls
    show Trump can win from inside a jail cell...
    You are wasting enormous amounts of time and effort on a strategy that is >>> not likely to work and holds the possibility of actually working against >>> you and helping Trump with the only thing that really matters in any of
    this, November 5....


    So, friend, where does that leave **you**...???

    :-)

    Yes, Biden bet him once, this time may be even bigger margin.

    Trump may win from inside a jail cell because that is the type of cult
    follower he has. Sad when you step back and look at it. Every jacked up
    pickup is a vote for Trump.

    Remember some of the silly things we did in junior high? Trump still does >> them an captivates his followers. Calling the governor of California
    Newscum show what a classy guy he is, yet people will vote for him to be
    our leader in the world.


    Hillary Clinton calling Trump followers "deplorables" shows what a classy gal she is, yet people voted for her to be our leader in the world...

    ;-)



    I'll take Newscum over deplorables any days. At least Trump has humour! =)

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 18 18:24:50 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you
    don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC
    to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve the
    ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special boxes,
    mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up on either
    early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections to
    be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, and
    Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.



    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of any
    states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other options for presifential elections.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents you
    use to get one if you lost your card.


    Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and ensuring
    safe ballot handling.

    Yup.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 18 18:25:37 2024
    cshenk wrote:

    songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    ...mail in voting...
    Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
    become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I
    brought in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That
    let me register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South
    Carolina. Also simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in
    SC until the and now Don and I both pay Virginia.

    isn't it a great example of how Leo wants to control voting
    to be allowed by only those who show up in person?

    you can almost hear his boots clicking together he's
    puckered up so tight.

    disenfranchising elderly people and those unable to
    travel to a polling station along with those serving our
    country overseas (diplomats, agents and the military) is
    a great way to tell people that their country's gov't (aka
    us) cares for them.


    songbird

    Yes, now he's trying to play games and pretend an absentee ballot is different from mail in. Good luck. Even on shore duty in Virginia
    before military retirement I had to do a mail in to SC because it was
    my legal state of residence.

    (corrected a typo)

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Janet on Mon Mar 18 13:44:01 2024
    Janet wrote:
    In article
    <ekWdnQ5K2JHe12r4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station
    to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care
    enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
    vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
    would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You are incredibly unaware of your own country.

    Janet UK


    Her mind got locked into sasebo.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Mar 18 20:18:05 2024
    On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
    sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
    polling station in person).
    I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
    to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
    make sure I got my vote counted.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 18 20:50:01 2024
    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
    them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you
    don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC
    to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve the
    ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special boxes,
    mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up on either
    early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections to
    be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, and
    Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.



    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    I haven't voted in person in quite some time, so I'm not current
    on these things.

    You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents you
    use to get one if you lost your card.


    Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and ensuring
    safe ballot handling.

    Yup.



    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Mar 18 17:40:08 2024
    On 2024-03-18 4:18 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
    sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
    polling station in person).
    I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
    to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
    make sure I got my vote counted.

    I am not going to search for the source but I recall that there some
    major concerns coming from the Republican camp about the mail in ballots
    and that had a lot to do with their fears that Democrats would benefit.

    Oh what the heck.... there are people here who will deny the facts. https://www.science.org/content/article/do-republicans-or-democrats-benefit-mail-voting-it-turns-out-neither

    In the United States, the coronavirus crisis has thrust a typically
    wonky debate—the effectiveness of mail-in voting—into the political spotlight. Republicans, led by President Donald Trump, this week again
    warned that expanding the use of mail-in ballots could give Democrats an
    edge in the November elections. Now, two independent studies suggest
    there's little historical evidence to support that fear. But scientists
    warn that by making vote by mail a partisan issue, Republicans could
    lose mail-in votes and benefit Democrats in the midst of a caustic and pandemic-marred election season.

    Since 2000, a handful of states have switched almost exclusively to
    voting by mail, including Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, and
    Hawaii. Most researchers studied the moves to see whether they led to an increase in voter participation; largely unexplored, says Brigham Young University political scientist Michael Barber, was whether universal
    mail-in voting benefited one political party over another.

    That all changed when Republicans warned earlier this year that efforts
    to expand vote by mail could benefit Democrats. Barber and political
    scientist John Holbein at the University of Virginia decided to test
    those claims by comparing voting behavior in counties that switched to universal mail-in voting (175 counties in 2018) with the nearly 3000
    counties that didn't. They also looked at voter behavior before and
    after each changeover.

    SIGN UP FOR THE SCIENCEADVISER NEWSLETTER
    The latest news, commentary, and research, free to your inbox daily
    They found that in presidential and midterm general elections between
    1996 and 2018, switching to all-mail voting increased the percentage of residents who voted by 1.8% to 2.9%, they report today in Science
    Advances. When it came to the Democratic share of the vote, they found a
    tiny uptick in the share of votes that went to Democratic candidates for Congress, governor, and president—approximately 0.7%. But the difference
    was so small that the margin of statistical error means it's possible
    there was no effect at all, Holbein says. "There might be a teensy, tiny
    effect on Democratic turnout."

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Mar 18 20:05:53 2024
    On 3/18/2024 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-18 4:18 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
    sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
    polling station in person).
    I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
    to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
    make sure I got my vote counted.

    I am not going to search for the source but I recall that there some
    major concerns coming from the Republican camp about the mail in ballots
    and that had a lot to do with their fears that Democrats would benefit.

    Oh what the heck....  there are people here who will deny the facts. https://www.science.org/content/article/do-republicans-or-democrats-benefit-mail-voting-it-turns-out-neither


    Republicans lost, Trump cried, therefore they blame mailed ballots.
    Facts don't matter.


    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-call-suspend-constitution-gop-debate-chris-christie-1822131

    In December 2022, Donald Trump was pushing the baseless claim that he
    lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud,

    "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination
    of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the
    Constitution," Trump wrote on Truth Social on December 3, 2022. "Our
    great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 19 09:25:54 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    ...trumpykins...
    "great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

    yet the founders screwed the slaves aka they were not
    perfect and should not be relied upon for everything.
    modern times and reason should win out.

    for sure modern times should be able to spot a conman
    and a fraud.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Mar 19 15:21:08 2024
    On 2024-03-19, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...trumpykins...
    "great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent
    Elections!"

    yet the founders screwed the slaves aka they were not
    perfect and should not be relied upon for everything.
    modern times and reason should win out.

    for sure modern times should be able to spot a conman
    and a fraud.

    You would think. However, there's no one so resistant to the
    notion that a guy is a con-man than someone whom he has conned.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 19 19:09:43 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
    the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
    boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
    on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I embarrassed.




    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
    any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
    options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.


    I haven't voted in person in quite some time, so I'm not current
    on these things.

    You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents
    you use to get one if you lost your card.


    Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and
    ensuring >> safe ballot handling.

    Yup.


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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 19 20:33:09 2024
    On 19/03/2024 20:18, Ed P wrote:

    You have to show an ID at some point don't you?  Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to the
    booth or ballot.

    I was a poll worker for a number of years - we were required to certify
    that the voter's signature matched the one in the registration book.

    We were only supposed to ask for IDs if the registration had been done
    online, and certify that the ID matched the info in the book, and the
    photo matched the voter's face.

    In ensuing elections, the signature we'd certified was compared to the
    one for the current election, and no other ID was required.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to cshenk on Tue Mar 19 16:18:14 2024
    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
    the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
    boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
    on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.




    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
    any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
    options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to the
    booth or ballot.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to cshenk on Tue Mar 19 21:50:07 2024
    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
    absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
    Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
    the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
    boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
    on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
    Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.




    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
    any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
    options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Mar 20 18:56:26 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
    Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
    damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or >>>>>>absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling >>>>station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
    in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
    recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
    in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
    just show up on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Mar 20 19:04:09 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
    mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to
    the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee,
    not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have
    a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown
    to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
    the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
    boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
    on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit
    elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware
    of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
    options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes time
    to time in the news.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Mar 20 19:49:47 2024
    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
    mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to
    the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee,
    not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have
    a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown
    to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
    plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
    the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
    boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
    on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
    Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit
    elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
    elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
    election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
    election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware
    of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
    options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
    without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes time
    to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
    write your legislators and local election authority.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 21 08:45:14 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:34:34 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.

    So anyone can just walk in and vote?

    https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/

    How to Vote
    When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form
    of identification at the polls.

    Are you saying cshenk is WRONG? That's not possible. You must be a
    troll.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Mar 20 17:34:34 2024
    On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
    Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
    damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or >>>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
    in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
    recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
    in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
    just show up on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.


    So anyone can just walk in and vote?

    https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/

    How to Vote
    When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form
    of identification at the polls.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Mar 20 20:14:33 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
    Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
    damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or >>>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
    in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
    recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
    in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
    just show up on either early date to vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.


    No wonder trump got so worked up about loosing the election. There's no
    reason a person can't vote 100 times, with a system like that.

    Next election, you should try making 200 votes for your favorite candidate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Mar 20 20:35:18 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
    wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
    Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
    damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or >>>>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
    station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
    you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
    in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
    recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
    in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
    just show up on either early date to vote or election day.

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
    elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
    embarrassed.





    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections


    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
    want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.


    So anyone can just walk in and vote?

    https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/

    How to Vote
    When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form of identification at the polls.

    Apparently NOT in virginia (Or sasebo, which is the same).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 21 16:54:46 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
    cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
    has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
    mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
    to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
    absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
    voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't. >> >> >> >>
    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
    mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
    from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
    if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
    election day. >> >> >

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
    conducted by >> mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I >> >> embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls >> >> without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
    time to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
    write your legislators and local election authority.

    Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 21 16:53:44 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Ed P wrote:

    On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
    wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >>>>wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
    Trump has
    used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
    damned good
    reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in
    or >>>>>>>>absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the
    polling >>>>>>station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), >>>>you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a
    voice.

    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown to
    SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't.

    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in
    voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic
    in 2020.

    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in plenty of time to file with the state to vote
    by mail and recieve the ballots by mail. It was several
    options from drop in special boxes, mail, or take in person
    to vote if desired or just show up on either early date to
    vote or election day.


    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit elections
    to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.


    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option


    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico,
    and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
    mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.


    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small election.

    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.


    You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you
    don't want the machine to identify your vote by name.

    I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
    the booth or ballot.

    No. No ID means exactly that.


    So anyone can just walk in and vote?

    https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/

    How to Vote
    When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable
    form of identification at the polls.

    Last time, only sign a letter of confirmation. Last in person for me
    was 2019.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to cshenk on Thu Mar 21 17:45:56 2024
    On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
    cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
    has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.


    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
    mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
    to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
    absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
    voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't. >> >> >> >>
    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
    mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
    from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
    if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
    election day. >> >> >

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
    conducted by >> mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I >> >> embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls >> >> without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
    time to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
    write your legislators and local election authority.

    Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

    I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
    or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
    is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
    to act shows that you don't really care.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Mar 21 20:10:33 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
    cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
    has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
    mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
    to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
    absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
    voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't. >> >> >> >>
    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
    mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
    from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
    if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
    election day. >> >> >

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
    conducted by >> mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I >> >> embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls >> >> without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
    used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
    time to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
    write your legislators and local election authority.

    Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

    I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
    or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
    is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
    to act shows that you don't really care.


    Shit, if Virginia let's any asshole or bum that strolls in cast a vote,
    that confirms trump's allegations of massive voter fraud. The guy's right
    and must have been fucked in the 2020 election. At least in the virgin state.

    Trump says there will be a blood bath if he's not elected. And we all know
    this election is already rigged so he will loose, just like last time.

    By god, I think we all ought to be buying extra ammo so we'll be ready for
    the republican blood bath / coup.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Mar 22 05:52:11 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
    cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
    has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted >>>>>> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
    to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
    absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
    voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't. >> >> >> >>
    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
    2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
    mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
    from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
    if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
    election day. >> >> >

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
    conducted by >> mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I >> >> embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls >> >> without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is >>>>>>> used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
    time to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
    write your legislators and local election authority.

    Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

    I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
    or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
    is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
    to act shows that you don't really care.


    Shit, if Virginia let's any asshole or bum that strolls in cast a vote,
    that confirms trump's allegations of massive voter fraud. The guy's right
    and must have been fucked in the 2020 election. At least in the virgin state.

    Trump says there will be a blood bath if he's not elected. And we all know this election is already rigged so he will loose, just like last time.

    By god, I think we all ought to be buying extra ammo so we'll be ready for the republican blood bath / coup.

    After President Trump is in office will come "The Great Reckoning"...

    Are YOU on the "right side of history", Sire Hank...???

    Will you suffer the fate of Lot's wife - OR be living with me in "high cotton"...???

    "High cotton is a slang term that originated from the antebellum South to describe the best of times or a time of well being. It can be used to express satisfaction, success, or optimism. The term has also been generalized to mean one is doing well or is
    successful...."

    --
    GM

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 10:15:20 2024
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
    cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
    On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote: >> >> >> >>>
    We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
    has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
    good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted >>>>>>> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down >>>>> to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
    absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
    voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
    Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
    flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....


    Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
    mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
    doesn't. >> >> >> >>
    I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
    mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.

    I'm unaware any have done that.

    You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in >>>>>>> 2020. >> >
    Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
    Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by >>>>> mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options >>>>> from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
    if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
    election day. >> >> >

    The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
    Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
    permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> >

    Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
    conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.

    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option >> >

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
    Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
    conducted by >> mail. >> >
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >> >

    Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
    mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions. >>>>>>>>>>
    Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
    option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
    small >> election. >>
    And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
    am I >> >> embarrassed.






    https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

    Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
    unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
    with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.

    Read down. Do some googling.


    I just have issues with no id asked
    for. They should allow for many types.

    Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

    I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

    Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
    polls >> >> without requiring identification.

    In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is >>>>>>>> used.

    Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

    Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
    time to time in the news.

    So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could >>>>> write your legislators and local election authority.

    Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

    I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
    or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
    is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
    to act shows that you don't really care.


    Shit, if Virginia let's any asshole or bum that strolls in cast a vote,
    that confirms trump's allegations of massive voter fraud. The guy's right
    and must have been fucked in the 2020 election. At least in the virgin
    state.

    Trump says there will be a blood bath if he's not elected. And we all know >> this election is already rigged so he will loose, just like last time.

    By god, I think we all ought to be buying extra ammo so we'll be ready for >> the republican blood bath / coup.

    After President Trump is in office will come "The Great Reckoning"...

    Are YOU on the "right side of history", Sire Hank...???

    Will you suffer the fate of Lot's wife - OR be living with me in "high cotton"...???

    "High cotton is a slang term that originated from the antebellum South to describe the best of times or a time of well being. It can be used to express satisfaction, success, or optimism. The term has also been generalized to mean one is doing well or is successful...."

    Thank you! High cotton is added to my list of expressions! I'm sure I'll
    get a lot of joy using it in the company of politically correct people! =)

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