• Re: These strawberries look really good

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 08:02:22 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    BryanGSimmons wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk3jRbTUGU
    https://www.rareseeds.com/strawberry-old-north-sea-5-plants-ships-prompt
    IME, there's no such thing as a great strawberry from the grocery store.


    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Sat Mar 2 15:35:55 2024
    BryanGSimmons wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk3jRbTUGU https://www.rareseeds.com/strawberry-old-north-sea-5-plants-ships-prompt
    IME, there's no such thing as a great strawberry from the grocery store.


    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 16:20:24 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    BryanGSimmons wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk3jRbTUGU
    https://www.rareseeds.com/strawberry-old-north-sea-5-plants-ships-prompt >>> IME, there's no such thing as a great strawberry from the grocery store. >>>

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>


    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to William Price on Sat Mar 2 17:31:12 2024
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.

    finding responsible farmers to support is well worth the
    time and effort. growing your own can be even better as
    then you also get some meaningful exercise.

    the strawberries i've been growing for many years have
    very little sprayed on them directly and now that should
    be improving with the farm field to the south of us being
    taken out of production and turned into a field again.
    alas, i'm not too likely to be growing strawberries there
    any more until i can get a better fence up.


    songbird

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Mar 2 17:50:08 2024
    songbird wrote:
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.


    songbird



    Bullshit. Without pesticides you'd pay at least ten times
    what you're used to paying for just your produce, and I'm
    not even going into anything else we need them for, or how
    much you would miss them, if you had your way and eliminated
    them.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 09:55:09 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:20:24 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    BryanGSimmons wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk3jRbTUGU
    https://www.rareseeds.com/strawberry-old-north-sea-5-plants-ships-prompt >>>> IME, there's no such thing as a great strawberry from the grocery store. >>>>

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>


    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    The world... you make it too big. Just grow your own strawberries or
    buy organic ones. Strawberry problem solved.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 09:57:54 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:50:08 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.


    songbird



    Bullshit. Without pesticides you'd pay at least ten times

    ten times... lol

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 18:06:01 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:20:24 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    BryanGSimmons wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk3jRbTUGU
    https://www.rareseeds.com/strawberry-old-north-sea-5-plants-ships-prompt >>>>> IME, there's no such thing as a great strawberry from the grocery store. >>>>>

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>


    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    The world... you make it too big.


    What is it now? I lose track, seven billion people or more and growing?

    Their not making land anymore and it's all about the yield per acre, but
    it's always been that way really, no more acres but more mouths to feed,
    and that would be impossible without the responsible use of pesticides,
    weather you like it, or not.

    Just grow your own strawberries or
    buy organic ones. Strawberry problem solved.


    I'm not a big fan of those anyway, so you can have mine if you want
    them. I won't miss them very much.

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 18:10:15 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:50:08 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.


    songbird



    Bullshit. Without pesticides you'd pay at least ten times

    ten times... lol


    That's being conservative, and your produce is going to
    look like the shit that's rejected now, all buggy and
    diseased.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 10:27:29 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:10:15 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:50:08 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.

    songbird

    Bullshit. Without pesticides you'd pay at least ten times

    ten times... lol

    That's being conservative, and your produce is going to
    look like the shit that's rejected now, all buggy and
    diseased.

    Ten times is nonsense, plus you can grow your own. And if everything's impossible, as you like to think, then you can also decide not to eat strawberries.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 10:24:24 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:06:01 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:20:24 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>

    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    The world... you make it too big.

    What is it now? I lose track, seven billion people or more and growing?

    Their not making land anymore and it's all about the yield per acre, but
    it's always been that way really, no more acres but more mouths to feed,
    and that would be impossible without the responsible use of pesticides, >weather you like it, or not.

    I'm not talking about the whole world. I'm talking about you and me,
    for instance. We're from rich countries and have lots of options
    available to us.

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 19:09:32 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:06:01 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:20:24 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net> >>>>> wrote:

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen
    list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>

    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    The world... you make it too big.

    What is it now? I lose track, seven billion people or more and growing?

    Their not making land anymore and it's all about the yield per acre, but
    it's always been that way really, no more acres but more mouths to feed,
    and that would be impossible without the responsible use of pesticides,
    weather you like it, or not.

    I'm not talking about the whole world. I'm talking about you and me,
    for instance. We're from rich countries and have lots of options
    available to us.


    Understood on the small scale and grow your own is great for sure, I'm
    talking about the responsible use of pesticides, and how much they
    improve the crop yield, and so many other things.

    I understand that I won't make any friends endorsing pesticides, and
    I'm not selling them either.

    I'm simply saying that we do need pesticides. Anyone that doesn't
    believe that is a clueless fool.

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 19:16:28 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:10:15 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:50:08 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    songbird wrote:
    William Price wrote:
    ...
    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's >>>>>> a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    BS, but for those who must eat commercially grown foods
    you can do a lot by selecting things that are not produced
    with stupid methods to avoid pesticides.

    songbird

    Bullshit. Without pesticides you'd pay at least ten times

    ten times... lol

    That's being conservative, and your produce is going to
    look like the shit that's rejected now, all buggy and
    diseased.

    Ten times is nonsense, plus you can grow your own. And if everything's impossible, as you like to think, then you can also decide not to eat strawberries.


    I'm not talking about any berries, I'm talking about the
    responsible use of pesticides.

    Oh, and yes I meant ten times the cost for some diseased
    buggy produce, and you'll be glad to have it, once you
    get your way and eliminate pesticides.

    Be careful what you wish for. <just sayin>

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  • From William Price@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Mar 2 19:23:38 2024
    songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    ten times... lol

    nothing more convincing than made up attempts
    at statistics.


    songbird


    Nothing like the sound of a tree hugger bitching about the price
    of diseased produce, once he eliminates pesticides.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to William Price on Sat Mar 2 19:06:56 2024
    William Price wrote:
    songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    ten times... lol

       nothing more convincing than made up attempts
    at statistics.


       songbird


    Nothing like the sound of a tree hugger bitching about the price
    of diseased produce, once he eliminates pesticides.



    The root cause is that there are more humans living on this planet than it
    can support.

    As despicable as they are, the only people doing anything about it are the russians and the jews. And they'll only make a small dent.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Mar 2 19:16:26 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    ten times... lol

    nothing more convincing than made up attempts
    at statistics.


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 12:48:19 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 19:09:32 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:06:01 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:20:24 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 15:35:55 -0500, William Price <w.price@yahoo.net> >>>>>> wrote:

    You'd better slow down on the Strawberries, fat boy, only
    in moderation, they do contain carbs.

    And not just carbs. Strawberries are number one in the Dirty Dozen >>>>>> list:
    <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php>

    Without pesticides there's no way we could feed the world now. It's
    a simple fact, so learn it, live it.

    The world... you make it too big.

    What is it now? I lose track, seven billion people or more and growing?

    Their not making land anymore and it's all about the yield per acre, but >>> it's always been that way really, no more acres but more mouths to feed, >>> and that would be impossible without the responsible use of pesticides,
    weather you like it, or not.

    I'm not talking about the whole world. I'm talking about you and me,
    for instance. We're from rich countries and have lots of options
    available to us.

    Understood on the small scale and grow your own is great for sure, I'm >talking about the responsible use of pesticides, and how much they
    improve the crop yield, and so many other things.

    I understand that I won't make any friends endorsing pesticides, and
    I'm not selling them either.

    I'm simply saying that we do need pesticides. Anyone that doesn't
    believe that is a clueless fool.

    I understand that starving countries need them. If I were starving I'd
    eat meat, pesticide laden strawberries, fried tarantulas and anything
    else that's at hand. But we live in rich countries. We have choices.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Mar 3 02:03:44 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    The root cause is that there are more humans living on this planet than it can support.

    As despicable as they are, the only people doing anything about it are the russians and the jews. And they'll only make a small dent.


    When THE DONALD gets re - elected this November, he will put a stop to ALL
    wars and domestic and international strife and such - like nonsense...

    President Trump will usher in a NEW era of peace, prosperity, and Geneeral Good Feeling...

    It will be almost like the Second Coming of Christ...

    I CANNOT wait, Sire Hank...!!!

    Remember what that old wise sage Isiah said in The Holy Bible:

    Isaiah 11:6-9:

    "The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.

    The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den.

    They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord President DONALD TRUMP as the waters cover the sea..."

    :-D

    --
    GM

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 05:22:15 2024
    On 2024-03-03, GM wrote:

    the lion and the fatling together,

    So, who is the lucky tomcat?

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 3 10:24:07 2024
    On 2024-03-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I understand that starving countries need them. If I were starving I'd
    eat meat, pesticide laden strawberries, fried tarantulas and anything
    else that's at hand. But we live in rich countries. We have choices.

    In the U.S., there are pesticides approved for use on organic crops.
    None of them are as bad for us as conventional pesticides. Some of
    them can be toxic if misapplied. Not necessarily toxic to the end
    user, but pretty bad for farm workers and pollinators.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 21:32:59 2024
    On 03 Mar 2024 10:24:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I understand that starving countries need them. If I were starving I'd
    eat meat, pesticide laden strawberries, fried tarantulas and anything
    else that's at hand. But we live in rich countries. We have choices.

    In the U.S., there are pesticides approved for use on organic crops.
    None of them are as bad for us as conventional pesticides. Some of
    them can be toxic if misapplied. Not necessarily toxic to the end
    user, but pretty bad for farm workers and pollinators.

    An organic coconut that falls on your head, can kill you too.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Mar 3 09:04:15 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On 03 Mar 2024 10:24:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-03, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I understand that starving countries need them. If I were starving I'd
    eat meat, pesticide laden strawberries, fried tarantulas and anything
    else that's at hand. But we live in rich countries. We have choices.

    In the U.S., there are pesticides approved for use on organic crops.
    None of them are as bad for us as conventional pesticides. Some of
    them can be toxic if misapplied. Not necessarily toxic to the end
    user, but pretty bad for farm workers and pollinators.

    An organic coconut that falls on your head, can kill you too.

    what many people from the west don't really understand
    is that in the world there are still quite a large number
    of small holding subsistence farmers who get along fine
    if they plant a variety of crops and aren't abusing their
    lands. when they switch to more monocrop farming and
    using fertilizers and pesticides they often end up going
    broke and ruining their land because fertilizers will
    increase the productivity in the short term but it uses
    up the soil organic material faster and that ends up
    meaning they reduce their topsoil to subsoil, especially
    if they don't pay attention to erosion and soil organic
    matter. in the warmer climates it is much harder to
    keep soil organic materials (the soil microbes are more
    active and also active for a longer time period).

    in the colder climates it is easier to maintain good
    soil organic matter levels.

    using pesticides, herbicides, fungicides are all
    avoidable if you manage your crops properly and select
    for crops to suit your area and conditions. some things
    are just not very good in some places. like as i've
    found here, some are not worth growing due to our soils
    being mostly clay, if i want to waste time i can try to
    grow roses or tulips or certain kinds of grapes. but
    other crops do fine here and i get plenty of return for
    my efforts and i don't need any of the *cides. i also
    don't need commercial fertilizers. what i do use is
    worm castings and those are used on the heaviest feeding
    plantings first and then for a few years after i can
    rotate crops through there and still do well. too
    much fertilizer use is wasted energy and often pollutes
    and it can be expensive for a subsistence farmer.
    traditional methods with diverse plantings will often
    produce a lot more reliably. corn and soybeans may be
    useful crops but corn is a heavy feeding crop and so
    if you want to grow that year after year you'll deplete
    the soil nutrients and be down to subsoil farming.

    the other thing is that you need to keep people from
    burning their garden debris. bury it instead and keep
    the worms happier. a little char is ok, but generally
    better to avoid it if possible and use the organic
    materials to mulch and keep the topsoil covered.


    songbird

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Mar 3 14:51:54 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-03, GM wrote:

    the lion and the fatling together,

    So, who is the lucky tomcat?


    The lucky tomcat moved to the year 2024, had a sex change, and is now known as "Puff, The Magic Dragon"...

    And "Obama Care" paid for the sex change...

    --
    GM

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