• Re: Thunderbird Set Up

    From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Feb 19 22:48:00 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.


    Go here and sign in to your ES account and I think you'll find all the settings you need. If not let me (or most anyone) knaw and will try to help more.

    https://www.eternal-september.org/signon.php

    Look for a button called "user settings"

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Feb 20 16:26:29 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:58:58 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:

    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-configuring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september

    I don't know how accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in circles. >I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at Thunderbird but it asks for it
    again.

    Is it asking for your password?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Feb 19 23:03:46 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:

    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-configuring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september

    I don't know how accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in circles. I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at Thunderbird but it asks for it
    again.


    I don't understand, please be more specific.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Feb 19 23:09:06 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:

    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-configuring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september

    I don't know how accurate it is, but may help some.

    I'll have to fool with this tomorrow, too late to get my blood pressure up.


    Probably a good idea to start fresh. I'll try to help, but I use the
    similar seamonkey newsreader, and not eternal september, though I have used
    it in the past, and it is still setup in seamonkey and working.

    Maybe a real expert will stop in. Doesn't the squirtz know most everything?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Feb 19 22:39:00 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.


    news.eternal-september.org

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Feb 19 22:45:44 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.


    Go here and sign in to your ES account and I think you'll find all the
    settings you need. If not let me (or most anyone) knaw and will try to help more.

    https://www.eternal-september.org/signon.php

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Feb 19 22:53:21 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.


    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:

    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-configuring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september

    I don't know how accurate it is, but may help some.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Feb 20 09:43:34 2024
    On 2024-02-20, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Any time you have a computer problem, your first stop should be google.* "eternal september setup instructions":

    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-configuring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september

    Since this is 13 years old, the Thunderbird interface may have moved
    things around a little bit.



    *Many IT professionals use google any time they get a question they
    don't know the answer to.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 14:47:52 2024
    Here's another short tutorrial for setting up Thunderbird. https://www.i2pn2.org/common/Thunderbird/Usenet-Thunderbird.html

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site. https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Hope to see you after Feb 22.

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Tue Feb 20 16:08:12 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site. https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web browser works.

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Tue Feb 20 16:17:07 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web browser works.

    Wouldjalookatthat. It even will display headers.
    Kiss my grits, Google.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Tue Feb 20 18:40:24 2024
    dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 7:20:02 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 12:07:03 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 6:10:29 AM UTC-10, brooktrout wrote: >>>> brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site. >>>>> https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking
    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web browser works.
    That's nice. Now Agent users can finally find out how word wrapping really works!
    Its tough to tell whether we're still in the 1990's Stone Age or whether
    we're in the 21st century.

    If you don't understand word wrapping, which is a main tenant of word processing, your level of understanding is still in the 1970's. There's
    no problem with not knowing what word wrapping is, just don't bandy the
    word about as if you do. That's lame.


    You said it, Tojo.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 10:34:30 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:32:31 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    You also need to create an account with Blocknews. It's a matter of
    preference. Do you prefer to pay nothing or do you prefer to pay a
    small fee?

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Feb 20 18:32:31 2024
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Feb 21 01:08:44 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round. I
    gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Feb 20 19:48:24 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round.  I gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

    At least the problem is solved. Glad you'll be staying. :)

    Too bad it can't work for uncle Tojo. He's bleated and crowed about google
    and da future for so many years that it would be a great loss of face to
    show up using anything other than google. And yoose know how asians are
    about saving face.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Feb 21 12:43:29 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 01:08:44 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round. I >gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

    I think one of your Sisterhood friends should have given you a call
    and guided you through the settings.

    But maybe this new thing's reliable.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Feb 21 03:09:46 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round.  I >> gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

    At least the problem is solved. Glad you'll be staying. :)

    Too bad it can't work for uncle Tojo. He's bleated and crowed about google and da future for so many years that it would be a great loss of face to
    show up using anything other than google. And yoose know how asians are
    about saving face.

    He can use the site that 'brooktrout' posted, it's what I'm using now. He'll need to sign in with a password and that's about all he'll need.

    "If you want to keep using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site. https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking"

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Feb 20 20:14:08 2024
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Feb 20 23:00:59 2024
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes
    you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.


    Same here. ES went down to frequently. Blocknews was only a few bucks
    for a few years. I've only used 2.06GB so far. Two bucks will last my lifetime.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Feb 21 03:14:16 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>> Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>> get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must >>> be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round.  I >>> gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

    At least the problem is solved. Glad you'll be staying. :)

    Too bad it can't work for uncle Tojo. He's bleated and crowed about google >> and da future for so many years that it would be a great loss of face to
    show up using anything other than google. And yoose know how asians are
    about saving face.

    He can use the site that 'brooktrout' posted, it's what I'm using now. He'll need to sign in with a password and that's about all he'll need.

    "If you want to keep using a browser, here's a web access to usenet site. https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking"


    → https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking â†

    Leave off the end quote that my post of a moment ago included.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Feb 21 15:45:27 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:14:08 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.

    I've had no ES breakdowns that were so bad that I remember them.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Feb 20 22:40:01 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>> Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>> get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must >>> be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that
    merry-go-round.  I gave up and am now using that site that was posted
    several hours ago.

    At least the problem is solved. Glad you'll be staying.   :)

    Too bad it can't work for uncle Tojo. He's bleated and crowed about
    google and da future for so many years that it would be a great loss of
    face to show up using anything other than google. And yoose know how
    asians are about saving face.

    He can use the site that 'brooktrout' posted, it's what I'm using now.  He'll need to sign in with a password and that's about all he'll need.


    No, he can't use anything but google if he wants to save face. Using that
    one would prove he's an ignorant crowing loudmouth. And he knows it.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Wed Feb 21 18:26:54 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:53:27 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 6:45:35 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:14:08 -0700, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.
    I've had no ES breakdowns that were so bad that I remember them.

    I had problems with Eternal September and other providers. The providers were so wonky that I had 3 different accounts with different providers for backup. My guess is that these services are more reliable these days because they're probably using cloud
    servers. They'd be stupid not too. I abandoned them over a decade ago and haven't looked back. I'm still looking forward to my retirement - from all this. Oh what a relief that is.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/7XBkHqxxsr8vQrHL8

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/sY8Qu7ejuff4f1NR9

    Maybe if I needed it for work, I'd be more careful, but the rare times
    I notice a hiccup with my Usenet server, it's always very short. A
    couple of months ago, there was a hiccup to do with spam via Google
    Groups, I believe. I survived without trauma.

    Nice cat, by the way.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Wed Feb 21 07:19:10 2024
    dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 6:45:35 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:14:08 -0700, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>> Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>> get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have >>> no problems.
    I've had no ES breakdowns that were so bad that I remember them.

    I had problems with Eternal September and other providers. The providers
    were so wonky that I had 3 different accounts with different providers
    for backup. My guess is that these services are more reliable these days because they're probably using cloud servers. They'd be stupid not too. I abandoned them over a decade ago and haven't looked back. I'm still
    looking forward to my retirement - from all this. Oh what a relief that is.



    Indeed uncle, you can devote all yoose energy to making da future perfect.
    It will also give folks in the present a break from yoose blather and ignorance.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Wed Feb 21 21:04:22 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:00:25 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:32:31 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>get that will last for years).

    You also need to create an account with Blocknews. It's a matter of
    preference. Do you prefer to pay nothing or do you prefer to pay a
    small fee?

    Quite often, something that's free is worth exactly what you paid for
    it.

    Eternal September works well and is free. How unamerican is that?

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Feb 21 10:00:25 2024
    On 2024-02-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:32:31 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you
    get that will last for years).

    You also need to create an account with Blocknews. It's a matter of preference. Do you prefer to pay nothing or do you prefer to pay a
    small fee?

    Quite often, something that's free is worth exactly what you paid for
    it.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Feb 21 14:07:16 2024
    On 2024-02-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:00:25 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:32:31 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>>Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>>get that will last for years).

    You also need to create an account with Blocknews. It's a matter of
    preference. Do you prefer to pay nothing or do you prefer to pay a
    small fee?

    Quite often, something that's free is worth exactly what you paid for
    it.

    Eternal September works well and is free. How unamerican is that?

    Perhaps the server you use is better than the one(s) in use by
    people reporting problems.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Thu Feb 22 03:42:04 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:07:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-21, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:00:25 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Quite often, something that's free is worth exactly what you paid for
    it.

    Eternal September works well and is free. How unamerican is that?

    Perhaps the server you use is better than the one(s) in use by
    people reporting problems.

    Yes, that's possible. On the other hand, it's only Usenet. If it
    doesn't work for half a day, that doesn't bother me. It would a bit if
    it was a mail server.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Wed Feb 21 20:16:06 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Feb 21 20:39:25 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:58:58 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers
    wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:


    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-confi guring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september >> >> I don't know how
    accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in
    circles. I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at
    Thunderbird but it asks for it again.

    Is it asking for your password?

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Thu Feb 22 08:12:58 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:39:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:58:58 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
    <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers
    wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like
    EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:


    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-confi
    guring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september >> >> I don't know how
    accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in
    circles. I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at
    Thunderbird but it asks for it again.

    Is it asking for your password?

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    As I keep saying, it can't handle more than a few levels of quoted
    text. It makes a mess. Look at this beauty from your post:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Feb 21 16:11:13 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:58:58 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
    <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers
    wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like
    EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:


    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-confi
    guring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september >> >> I don't know how
    accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in
    circles. I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at
    Thunderbird but it asks for it again.

    Is it asking for your password?

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content


    Are you saying xana is for dummies?

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Feb 21 18:22:12 2024
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes
    you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts. The thing about
    ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in and then
    download the listing of ngs to subscribe to. It was a bit of a PITA but
    it works. I have access to both newsservers again.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Feb 21 18:29:04 2024
    On 2/21/2024 3:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site: ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Feb 21 23:32:56 2024
    cshenk wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    Ummm, that's not the latest and greatest version of Xananews.
    The world has moved on to 1.21
    <https://github.com/graemeg/xananews>

    Upgrade! Might fix the broken quoting when you fail to snip.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 10:38:15 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:29:04 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/21/2024 3:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
    brooktrout wrote:

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:nova
    bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering >capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Your Usenet provider should stop those messages. I hardly see any,
    until I go (went) to Google Groups.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Feb 21 23:37:29 2024
    On 21/02/2024 23:22, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember?
    I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or
    US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of
    gigabytes you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts.  The thing about
    ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in and then download the listing of ngs to subscribe to.  It was a bit of a PITA but
    it works.  I have access to both newsservers again.

    I've splurged.

    I pay ten Euros a year for the German newsserver, which filters out most
    of the spammy cr@p, and has been very reliable.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Wed Feb 21 18:54:28 2024
    On 2/21/2024 6:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 21/02/2024 23:22, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or
    US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of
    gigabytes you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have >>> no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts.  The thing
    about ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in and
    then download the listing of ngs to subscribe to.  It was a bit of a
    PITA but it works.  I have access to both newsservers again.

    I've splurged.

    I pay ten Euros a year for the German newsserver, which filters out most
    of the spammy cr@p, and has been very reliable.

    I used to use NIN. I had problems with it several years ago and
    couldn't get any support for a problem so I gave up on it.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 10:40:50 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:22:12 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US
    Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes
    you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have
    no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts. The thing about
    ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in

    User name and password tend to do the trick.

    and then download the listing of ngs to subscribe to. It was a bit of a PITA but
    it works.

    That's between you and your Usenet client and isn't specific for ES.
    The procedure for Blocknews would be the same.

    I have access to both newsservers again.

    Yay.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to firstname@lastname.oc.ku on Thu Feb 22 11:20:49 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 23:37:29 +0000, S Viemeister
    <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

    On 21/02/2024 23:22, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or
    US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of
    gigabytes you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have >>> no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts.  The thing about
    ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in and then
    download the listing of ngs to subscribe to.  It was a bit of a PITA but
    it works.  I have access to both newsservers again.

    I've splurged.

    I pay ten Euros a year for the German newsserver, which filters out most
    of the spammy cr@p, and has been very reliable.

    I used them for years and they were fine.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Thu Feb 22 00:20:15 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    Ummm, that's not the latest and greatest version of Xananews.
    The world has moved on to 1.21
    <https://github.com/graemeg/xananews>

    Upgrade! Might fix the broken quoting when you fail to snip.

    That page you posted is their homepage unless I'm missing something.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 00:17:09 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 11:21:53 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:54:28 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/21/2024 6:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 21/02/2024 23:22, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/20/2024 10:14 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 4:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter >>>>>> as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or
    US Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of
    gigabytes you get that will last for years).

    Jill
    I got fed up with ES breakdowns so I now have Blocknews/TBird and I have >>>> no problems.

    I've had both for years, although I recently had to set up ES again
    after Blocknews was somehow missing or dropping posts.  The thing
    about ES was I had to futz around with it to get it let me sign in and
    then download the listing of ngs to subscribe to.  It was a bit of a
    PITA but it works.  I have access to both newsservers again.

    I've splurged.

    I pay ten Euros a year for the German newsserver, which filters out most
    of the spammy cr@p, and has been very reliable.

    I used to use NIN. I had problems with it several years ago and
    couldn't get any support for a problem so I gave up on it.

    There's more information on the Internet than any one support person
    can give you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 11:54:11 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those >idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG >never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Feb 21 19:43:41 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/21/2024 3:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version?  Hope so.  Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:nova
    bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering capability?  Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    Doesn't your majesty have very powerful filters already?

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 02:56:41 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG >>never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups. But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a mess on your screen. I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service. Do I need
    to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length?? I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair out. 😄

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 15:13:02 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:56:41 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same >>>> crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG >>>never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups. But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a mess on your screen. I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service. Do I need
    to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length?? I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair out. 😄

    Yes, it looks like one of those endless Google Groups posts by dsi1,
    Lenona, Greg etc :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 15:32:53 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 04:23:57 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-21, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round. I >> gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.


    I'm speaking from the Mac world, but all you need is a User ID and
    password from ES. Everything else is monkeying with Thunderbird until it >accepts ES.

    That's it. Provided you have your user name and password correct, any
    problem is not with ES, it's with Thunderbird.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 04:37:06 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:54:28 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    I used to use NIN. I had problems with it several years ago and
    couldn't get any support for a problem so I gave up on it.

    There's more information on the Internet than any one support person
    can give you.


    I've used NIN for years without a problem. Thanks to Mr. Wertz, I think,
    I hold Blocknews in reserve. I signed up years ago and haven't used a
    single byte, but it's ready when I am.
    If Blocknews goes under, and I lose the ten or twenty bucks I invested,
    I can handle it by shuffling some assets around.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 15:45:03 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 04:37:06 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:54:28 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    I used to use NIN. I had problems with it several years ago and
    couldn't get any support for a problem so I gave up on it.

    There's more information on the Internet than any one support person
    can give you.


    I've used NIN for years without a problem. Thanks to Mr. Wertz, I think,
    I hold Blocknews in reserve. I signed up years ago and haven't used a
    single byte, but it's ready when I am.
    If Blocknews goes under, and I lose the ten or twenty bucks I invested,
    I can handle it by shuffling some assets around.

    Worst case, you sell your watch :)

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 04:23:57 2024
    On 2024-02-21, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round. I gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.


    I'm speaking from the Mac world, but all you need is a User ID and
    password from ES. Everything else is monkeying with Thunderbird until it accepts ES.
    If you don't get too bored with the monkeying, Thunderbird may be worth
    it. A lot of people here use it. If you're happy with what you just
    found, ignore this last paragraph.
    At any rate, don't leave.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 05:21:28 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:56:41 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups. But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a mess on your screen. I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service. Do I need
    to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length?? I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair out. 😄

    Yes, it looks like one of those endless Google Groups posts by dsi1,
    Lenona, Greg etc :)

    🫡 Ok, that lets me know that unless I keep my lines at a reasonable length then they do look like a mess running off the page like at Google Groups.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 22 17:47:25 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:44:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:56:41 +0000, ItsJoan...@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups. But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a mess on your screen. I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service. Do I need
    to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length?? I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair out. 😄
    Yes, it looks like one of those endless Google Groups posts by dsi1,
    Lenona, Greg etc :)

    That's because your reader can only post with a maximum of 72 characters per line before it has to add a carriage return. Modern web pages are possible on a wide range of displays because text and visual elements are able to change size and line length
    on the fly - instantly.
    As a graphic artist, I'm amazed how web pages can fit on tablets, phones, and tablets, in different sizes and orientations. Back in the 80's, getting graphics and text to fit properly on a page was a most vexing problem. These days, I can read rfc posts
    even on a cell phone. How awesome is that? Of course, posts from archaic programs with forced carriage returns look kind of retarded on a cell phone or narrow display.
    You might depend on your computer to make a living but your understanding of your main work tool is practically non-existent. That's a crying shame.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/4qHHSz4aDKp56nZ18

    There's nothing to understand. Google Groups doesn't follow Usenet
    conventions, so GG posts can look very bad. I can live with that.
    There's no drama.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 22 10:15:22 2024
    On 2024-02-22, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    That's because your reader can only post with a maximum of 72 characters
    per line before it has to add a carriage return.

    Funny, my 1990s-style Usenet client lets me configure the line length.

    Modern web pages are possible on a wide range of displays because
    text and visual elements are able to change size and line length on
    the fly - instantly.

    Usenet is not a goddamn web page.

    As a graphic artist, I'm amazed how web pages can fit on tablets,
    phones, and tablets, in different sizes and orientations. Back in
    the 80's, getting graphics and text to fit properly on a page was
    a most vexing problem. These days, I can read rfc posts even on a
    cell phone. How awesome is that? Of course, posts from archaic
    programs with forced carriage returns look kind of retarded on
    a cell phone or narrow display.

    And not a single fuck was given.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 14:03:45 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Near as I can tell, users can not filter posts. I'm not seeing any spam
    from Google.

    If Google really does dixconnect from usenet, the spammers will go someplace. Spammers gotta spam. There's somebody that cares about usenet running
    novabbs. Expect spammers to have their account cancelled. Don't fail to report spam.
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"
    Although I expect it will turn out to be another game of whack-a-mole, maybe spamassasin will prvent spammy posts from being sent.

    Still waiting for Google Groups to disappear from usenet.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 09:54:43 2024
    On 2024-02-21 9:56 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering capability?  Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded
    with the same crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site.  But
    hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups
    because GG
    never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups.  But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a
    mess on your screen.  I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service.  Do I need to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length??  I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair
    out.   😄


    I am not seeing a problem with it.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 15:32:34 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also admin. i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages that is filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is
    plenty of effort to try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to cshenk on Thu Feb 22 15:36:06 2024
    cshenk wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site: ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    Lol, you found my Fidonet nodelist entry :) I haven't seen that in a while.

    It's accurate, I am in Arizona, but the sites are hosted on servers in New York (and one in Berlin for mostly I2P use, www.rocksolidbbs.com).

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From brooktrout@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Feb 22 15:59:58 2024
    Retro Guy wrote:

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Strange. Although I've been using www.novabbs.org, when I tried to use www.novabbs.com, I had to register, again. Expected my previous registration would work on both sites.

    Oh, well. I think the transition is complete.

    Thanks for your site and work to make usenet availble to all (and spam free!).

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Thu Feb 22 09:12:35 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:59:58 +0000, brooktrout wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Strange. Although I've been using www.novabbs.org, when I tried to use www.novabbs.com, I had to register, again. Expected my previous registration would work on both sites.

    Oh, well. I think the transition is complete.

    Yes, it is a completely different site. Registrations are not shared
    between them.


    Thanks for your site and work to make usenet availble to all (and spam free!).

    Glad to be part of a group of admins working together to try to keep Usenet useable. Welcome!

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 22 18:31:45 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-21 9:56 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups.  But I'm going to
    reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a
    mess on your screen.  I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm
    using with this service.  Do I need to continue manually keep my lines a
    reasonable length??  I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair
    out.   😄


    I am not seeing a problem with it.

    Wednesday night when I made this post it covered the full posting area of this site looking like one of dsi1's posts. But looking at it today, it's nicely compacted like it normally does when I write. Maybe it will correct dsi1's, Carol's, and Greg's posts, too! Wouldn't that be a kicker?!?!

    (Or maybe it corrected it when you quoted and replied to me.)

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Feb 22 18:13:53 2024
    Retro Guy wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet >>>>>> site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking >>>>>
    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same
    crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG >> never tried to put a stop to them.

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also admin. i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages that is filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is
    plenty of effort to try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Well, thank heavens for that!!!! I won't miss "Buy Drugs Here" or "Meet Hot Russian Housewives" or the most recent offerings of "Crypto Coin." UGH!

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Ok, I'll give that a shot, too.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's best to make me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist through my laptop screen.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 13:54:55 2024
    On 2024-02-22 1:31 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-21 9:56 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups.  But I'm going
    to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks
    like a mess on your screen.  I'll say it is covering the whole
    posting area I'm using with this service.  Do I need to continue
    manually keep my lines a reasonable length??  I don't mind as I'm
    used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair
    out.   😄


    I am not seeing a problem with it.

    Wednesday night when I made this post it covered the full posting area
    of this
    site looking like one of dsi1's posts.  But looking at it today, it's
    nicely compacted like it normally does when I write.  Maybe it will
    correct dsi1's,
    Carol's, and Greg's posts, too!  Wouldn't that be a kicker?!?!

    (Or maybe it corrected it when you quoted and replied to me.)

    i know that a lot of people ave complained about dsi1's posts and the
    line wrap. I use TB and when replying to him I start off by hitting
    Edit and then Rewrap.

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  • From Anton Ray Eaks@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 14:39:40 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's best to make
    me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.


    Former Webtv customer apparently.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Fri Feb 23 06:28:52 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet >>>>>>> site.
    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking >>>>>>
    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide filtering
    capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the same >>>> crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups because GG >>> never tried to put a stop to them.

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also admin. i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages that is filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is
    plenty of effort to try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Well, thank heavens for that!!!! I won't miss "Buy Drugs Here" or "Meet Hot >Russian Housewives" or the most recent offerings of "Crypto Coin." UGH!

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Ok, I'll give that a shot, too.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's best to make >me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Fri Feb 23 06:56:17 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 19:46:02 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's best to make
    me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either way, I was >tired of that merry-go-round.

    All you need to do with ES is make an account there and remember your
    user name and password. The rest is a matter of setting things up in Thunderbird. That's why I think your problem was with Thunderbird, not
    with ES.

    Since this is the group I visit and post in this site does fine. The other sites I used
    to visit such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for their resident trolls.

    Problem solved if this keeps working. They might get a lot of Google
    Groups refugees, though.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 19:46:02 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's best to make
    me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either way, I was
    tired of that merry-go-round. Since this is the group I visit and post in
    this site does fine. The other sites I used to visit such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for their resident trolls.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Thu Feb 22 20:07:00 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't
    have one other than the info in the package when you downlad it.
    Why? Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    Ummm, that's not the latest and greatest version of Xananews.
    The world has moved on to 1.21
    <https://github.com/graemeg/xananews>

    Upgrade! Might fix the broken quoting when you fail to snip.

    I you want to compile your own.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 20:02:04 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:39:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't
    have one other than the info in the package when you downlad it.
    Why? Because it's that simple to setup.

    As I keep saying, it can't handle more than a few levels of quoted
    text. It makes a mess. Look at this beauty from your post:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Learn proper trimming.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Thu Feb 22 20:06:59 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't
    have one other than the info in the package when you downlad it.
    Why? Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    Ummm, that's not the latest and greatest version of Xananews.
    The world has moved on to 1.21
    <https://github.com/graemeg/xananews>

    Upgrade! Might fix the broken quoting when you fail to snip.

    It updates on the fly and I'm running service pack 3.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Fri Feb 23 07:12:13 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:02:04 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:39:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't
    have one other than the info in the package when you downlad it.
    Why? Because it's that simple to setup.

    As I keep saying, it can't handle more than a few levels of quoted
    text. It makes a mess. Look at this beauty from your post:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like
    EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Learn proper trimming.

    I don't do anything wrong. Your Xananews makes a mess of things. It's
    an obsolete piece of junk.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 20:21:23 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet >>>>> site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering >> capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be
    flooded with the same >> crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But
    hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved the
    Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    No, the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS, then
    the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet style, if he's
    not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet will strip).

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 20:24:41 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be
    flooded with the same crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But
    hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved
    the Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups. But I'm going
    to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks
    like a mess on your screen. I'll say it is covering the whole
    posting area I'm using with this service. Do I need to continue
    manually keep my lines a reasonable length?? I don't mind as I'm
    used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair
    out. 😄

    Looks normal here. Xananews normally wraps long lines on the fly so
    others *may* see a long line. Just make sure a blank line is between paragraphs like you have already.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 20:15:27 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/21/2024 3:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,-
    (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_Miller,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:
    nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the
    same crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    Probably not filtered but as GG goes, that will not be in it.

    Basically you telnet or use web based connection (if supported) and log
    in. You can probably use an off line reader (OLR) and download the
    traffic the reply and log back to upload replies.

    The SYSP (Richard Miller) may keep several years of traffic, or may
    trim it back (automated settings) to save space. You have to login
    with username and password everytime you connect.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Fri Feb 23 07:27:31 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:21:23 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet >>>>> site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering >> capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be
    flooded with the same >> crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But
    hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved the
    Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    No

    Yes.

    , the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS, then
    the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet style, if he's
    not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet will strip).

    Joan just showed that novaBBS makes crazy long lines, just like Google
    Groups used to. Unless you intervene yourself, as Joan always does.

    Of course you're not going to believe this, because you're always
    right.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Feb 22 20:40:14 2024
    Retro Guy wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering capability? Or will the newsgroup continue to be
    flooded with the same crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But
    hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved the
    Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and
    incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also admin. i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages that is
    filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is plenty of effort to
    try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot
    COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really
    meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find
    one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    Hi Richard! 1:275/100 here. A couple of folks getting grief trying to
    get a nwesreader working as Goougle groups demise. They don't
    understand BBS sites at all. It's an alien concept to them (grin).

    Do you have a suggested OLR they can use and you have online?

    xxcarol, Shenk's Express since 1985.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Fri Feb 23 07:44:51 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:40:14 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and
    incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also admin.
    i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages that is
    filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is plenty of effort to
    try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot
    COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really
    meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like
    news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find
    one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    Hi Richard! 1:275/100 here. A couple of folks getting grief trying to
    get a nwesreader working as Goougle groups demise. They don't
    understand BBS sites at all. It's an alien concept to them (grin).

    That's because BBS is a concept from the Middle Ages. (grin)

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Thu Feb 22 15:56:40 2024
    On 2/22/2024 9:03 AM, brooktrout wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web brower access to RFC provide filtering
    capability?  Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded with the
    same crap posts Google let in?

    Near as I can tell, users can not filter posts.  I'm not seeing any spam from Google.

    If Google really does dixconnect from usenet, the spammers will go
    someplace.
    Spammers gotta spam.  There's somebody that cares about usenet running novabbs.  Expect spammers to have their account cancelled.  Don't fail
    to report spam. mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"
    Although I expect it will turn out to be another game of whack-a-mole,
    maybe
    spamassasin will prvent spammy posts from being sent.

    Still waiting for Google Groups to disappear from usenet.

    Thanks for the info. :)

    Jill

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Feb 22 20:59:25 2024
    Retro Guy wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,- (Net coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_xxxxx,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:
    nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    Lol, you found my Fidonet nodelist entry :) I haven't seen that in a
    while.

    It's accurate, I am in Arizona, but the sites are hosted on servers
    in New York (and one in Berlin for mostly I2P use,
    www.rocksolidbbs.com).

    Yup! Easy to backtrack from Brooktrout's notice. Chuckle, you sound a
    little like the Star system as it grew back. You don't hear much about
    it as we don't do all the politics. Terri Roati (in Z3) Dallas Hinton,
    Me, Mark Lewis in Z1, and Vince Coen (Z2).

    ,1000,Shenks_Wandering_Star,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_xxxxxx,-Unpublished- ,300,XX,CM,INA:shenks.dyndns.org,IBN:24555

    (I'm also at shenks.sychro.net, same place).

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Feb 22 15:49:43 2024
    On 2/21/2024 9:56 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    The question is does this web browser access to RFC provide
    filtering capability?  Or will the newsgroup continue to be flooded
    with the same crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site.  But
    hopefully those
    idiots won't make their way here as they loved the Google Groups
    because GG
    never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    I am manually doing that like I did in Google Groups.  But I'm going to reply to you with this verrrry long line and tell me if it looks like a
    mess on your screen.  I'll say it is covering the whole posting area I'm using with this service.  Do I need to continue manually keep my lines a reasonable length??  I don't mind as I'm used to doing it.

    Let me know if this response length makes you want to pull your hair
    out.   😄

    Looks fine to me :)

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Fri Feb 23 08:05:04 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:59:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to usenet
    site.

    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking

    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting from a web
    browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,- (Net
    coordinator AZ)

    Site:
    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_xxxxx,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:
    nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN

    There's others doing same.

    Lol, you found my Fidonet nodelist entry :) I haven't seen that in a
    while.

    It's accurate, I am in Arizona, but the sites are hosted on servers
    in New York (and one in Berlin for mostly I2P use,
    www.rocksolidbbs.com).

    Yup! Easy to backtrack from Brooktrout's notice. Chuckle, you sound a >little like the Star system as it grew back. You don't hear much about
    it as we don't do all the politics. Terri Roati (in Z3) Dallas Hinton,
    Me, Mark Lewis in Z1, and Vince Coen (Z2).

    ,1000,Shenks_Wandering_Star,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_xxxxxx,-Unpublished- >,300,XX,CM,INA:shenks.dyndns.org,IBN:24555

    (I'm also at shenks.sychro.net, same place).

    Are you trying to impress us with your psychobabble?

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 17:34:38 2024
    On 2/21/2024 11:23 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-21, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must
    be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round. I >> gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.


    I'm speaking from the Mac world, but all you need is a User ID and
    password from ES. Everything else is monkeying with Thunderbird until it accepts ES.

    I had a little frustration adding ES back after I had to reinstall
    Thunderbird after a crash a few months ago. I had a userID and password
    but T-bird was giving me fits trying to add newsgroups. ES finally
    prompted me to sign again and let me download the newsgroups I wanted.
    Like Joan, I got a little irritated at first but it worked out. (I have
    a Blocknews account, too.)

    If you don't get too bored with the monkeying, Thunderbird may be worth
    it. A lot of people here use it. If you're happy with what you just
    found, ignore this last paragraph.
    At any rate, don't leave.

    We definitely don't want Joan to go away! :)

    Jill

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  • From Sqwertz@21:1/5 to cshenk on Thu Feb 22 17:22:45 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:39:25 +0000, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:58:58 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
    <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers
    wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to
    enter >> > as Newsgroup Server. Would that be something like
    EternalSeptember? >> > I'm clueless.

    Here's a tutorial to set up ES on thunderbird:


    https://rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic.narkive.com/4VMcGemC/ot-confi
    guring-thunderbird-for-eternal-september >> >> I don't know how
    accurate it is, but may help some.

    I must be doing something wrong. Thunderbird keeps taking me in
    circles. I've got an account now at ES and I enter that at
    Thunderbird but it asks for it again.

    Is it asking for your password?

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't have
    one other than the info in the package when you downlad it. Why?
    Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    All News servers require the same information to be placed into
    your newsreader. And Thunderbird's has been the same questions
    for about 27 years.

    -sw

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 23:25:11 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:59:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:


    ,1000,Shenks_Wandering_Star,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_xxxxxx,-Unpublished- >>,300,XX,CM,INA:shenks.dyndns.org,IBN:24555

    (I'm also at shenks.sychro.net, same place).

    Are you trying to impress us with your psychobabble?

    Her fingers were on the wrong keys.
    It should read as shenks.psycho.net.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 23 22:07:25 2024
    On 2024-02-22, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    I had a little frustration adding ES back after I had to reinstall Thunderbird after a crash a few months ago. I had a userID and password
    but T-bird was giving me fits trying to add newsgroups. ES finally
    prompted me to sign again and let me download the newsgroups I wanted.
    Like Joan, I got a little irritated at first but it worked out. (I have
    a Blocknews account, too.)


    With any new way of doing things, there's frustration involved. That
    especially occurs with computer programs. Then, once you figure it out,
    you never give it a second's thought again. :)
    Well...then you upgrade and things may change a little so, once again,
    rinse and repeat.

    leo

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Feb 23 16:26:38 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    I had a little frustration adding ES back after I had to reinstall
    Thunderbird after a crash a few months ago. I had a userID and password
    but T-bird was giving me fits trying to add newsgroups. ES finally
    prompted me to sign again and let me download the newsgroups I wanted.
    Like Joan, I got a little irritated at first but it worked out. (I have
    a Blocknews account, too.)


    With any new way of doing things, there's frustration involved. That especially occurs with computer programs. Then, once you figure it out,
    you never give it a second's thought again. :)
    Well...then you upgrade and things may change a little so, once again,
    rinse and repeat.

    leo


    Indeed. Her majesty is a very nice lady, but prone to histrionics over
    minor things.

    I'm amazed how knowledgeable she is. A truly brilliant lady.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sat Feb 24 18:05:32 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    I had a little frustration adding ES back after I had to reinstall
    Thunderbird after a crash a few months ago. I had a userID and password >>> but T-bird was giving me fits trying to add newsgroups. ES finally
    prompted me to sign again and let me download the newsgroups I wanted.
    Like Joan, I got a little irritated at first but it worked out. (I have >>> a Blocknews account, too.)


    With any new way of doing things, there's frustration involved. That
    especially occurs with computer programs. Then, once you figure it out,
    you never give it a second's thought again. :)
    Well...then you upgrade and things may change a little so, once again,
    rinse and repeat.

    leo


    Indeed. Her majesty is a very nice lady, but prone to histrionics over
    minor things.

    I'm amazed how knowledgeable she is. A truly brilliant lady.


    When she sees my new posting moniker, she'll no doubt frown, smack her laptop, and mutteringly, put me in her killfile...

    But yes, Sire Hank, I agree 1000% with you about her vast pool 'o knowledge...

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Feb 24 18:08:51 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Hank Rogers wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 11:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I've downloaded Thunderbird and it's asking me what I want to enter
    as Newsgroup Server.  Would that be something like EternalSeptember? >>>>> I'm clueless.

    Eternal September (free, you need to create a account with them) or US >>>> Blocknews (a small fee but really cheap for the amount of gigabytes you >>>> get that will last for years).

    Jill

    I did create an account at Thunderbird and at ES, but like I said it must >>> be something I'm doing wrong for them to put me on that merry-go-round.  I >>> gave up and am now using that site that was posted several hours ago.

    At least the problem is solved. Glad you'll be staying. :)

    Too bad it can't work for uncle Tojo. He's bleated and crowed about google >> and da future for so many years that it would be a great loss of face to
    show up using anything other than google. And yoose know how asians are
    about saving face.

    He can use the site that 'brooktrout' posted, it's what I'm using now. He'll need to sign in with a password and that's about all he'll need.


    It works great, Joan, it has a decent interface...

    I actually discovered I still had an old Blocknews account, but I'm using this site instead, it'll do fine...

    --
    GM

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to brooktrout on Sat Feb 24 19:58:22 2024
    brooktrout wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    What makes me laugh is all the TBird tutorials. Xananews doesn't
    have one other than the info in the package when you downlad it.
    Why? Because it's that simple to setup.

    https://xananews.software.informer.com/download/#download_content

    Ummm, that's not the latest and greatest version of Xananews.
    The world has moved on to 1.21
    <https://github.com/graemeg/xananews>

    Upgrade! Might fix the broken quoting when you fail to snip.

    BT, I'm using XP on this box. I have the latest upgrade for XP, came
    down first week of Jan2023. I don't choose to swap it to the WIN10 or
    WIN11 box(s).

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 20:00:30 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:21:23 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:17:09 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    jmcquown wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet >>>>> site.


    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking
    The question is does this web browser access to RFC
    provide >> filtering >> capability? Or will the newsgroup continue
    to be >> flooded with the same >> crap posts Google let in?

    Jill

    I haven't seen any filtering capabilities with this site. But
    hopefully those idiots won't make their way here as they loved
    the >> > Google Groups because GG never tried to put a stop to them.

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    No

    Yes.

    , the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS, then
    the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet style, if
    he's not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet will strip).

    Joan just showed that novaBBS makes crazy long lines, just like Google
    Groups used to. Unless you intervene yourself, as Joan always does.

    Of course you're not going to believe this, because you're always
    right.

    No, some saw long lines on the test, some didn't.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Anton Ray Eaks on Sat Feb 24 20:04:59 2024
    Anton Ray Eaks wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's
    best to make me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist
    through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.


    Former Webtv customer apparently.

    That's just a joking fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    one. Happened long ago scammers would peel out addresses and send gobs
    of spam to them.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Feb 24 20:11:43 2024
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just
    find one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's
    best to make me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist
    through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either way, I
    was tired of that merry-go-round. Since this is the group I visit
    and post in this site does fine. The other sites I used to visit
    such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for their resident
    trolls.

    Once it a blue moon, a valid message will come in the repair group but
    iy's been more than a month now.

    Of course this one isn't much better with Bruce trolling for politics
    every time the thread dies. No one in the USA really give a rats ass
    for repeated opinions from non-USA folks although Canadians reasonably
    have interest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 20:13:39 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:40:14 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and
    incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also
    admin. >> i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages
    that is >> filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is plenty of
    effort to >> try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot
    COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really
    meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like
    news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find
    one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    Hi Richard! 1:275/100 here. A couple of folks getting grief
    trying to get a nwesreader working as Goougle groups demise. They
    don't understand BBS sites at all. It's an alien concept to them
    (grin).

    That's because BBS is a concept from the Middle Ages. (grin)

    Acutally they are running strong in Austrailia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From George Sulzbach@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sat Feb 24 15:15:05 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    Anton Ray Eaks wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:13:53 +0000, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:
    I gave up on eternal-september a few days ago; it was trying it's
    best to make me have a stroke or at the very least put my fist
    through my laptop screen.

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.


    Former Webtv customer apparently.

    That's just a joking fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    one. Happened long ago scammers would peel out addresses and send gobs
    of spam to them.


    No shit, any other obvious things you'd care to point out?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Sun Feb 25 07:19:55 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:00:30 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:21:23 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like on
    Google Groups?

    No

    Yes.

    , the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS, then
    the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet style, if
    he's not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet will strip).

    Joan just showed that novaBBS makes crazy long lines, just like Google
    Groups used to. Unless you intervene yourself, as Joan always does.

    Of course you're not going to believe this, because you're always
    right.

    No, some saw long lines on the test, some didn't.

    And why did some see long lines of text? Because novaBBS, like Google
    Groups, makes crazy long lines. And that was the point. That some news
    readers correct this and shorten the lines is another matter.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 20:17:12 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:59:25 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    brooktrout wrote:

    If you want to kepp using a browser, here's a web access to
    usenet >> >>> site.


    https://news.novabbs.org/interests/thread.php?group=rec.food.cooking
    Is this the improved version? Hope so. Anyhoo posting
    from a web >> > > browser works.

    Yes, novabbs 1:114/487

    Host,114,NC_Net_114_Arizona,Colorado_Springs_Co,Tj_Barlow,- (Net
    coordinator AZ)

    Site:

    ,487,Novabbs,Phoenix_AZ,Richard_xxxxx,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XX,INA:
    nova bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN >>
    There's others doing same.

    Lol, you found my Fidonet nodelist entry :) I haven't seen that in
    a >> while.

    It's accurate, I am in Arizona, but the sites are hosted on servers
    in New York (and one in Berlin for mostly I2P use,
    www.rocksolidbbs.com).

    Yup! Easy to backtrack from Brooktrout's notice. Chuckle, you
    sound a little like the Star system as it grew back. You don't
    hear much about it as we don't do all the politics. Terri Roati
    (in Z3) Dallas Hinton, Me, Mark Lewis in Z1, and Vince Coen (Z2).

    ,1000,Shenks_Wandering_Star,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_xxxxxx,-Unpublis
    hed- ,300,XX,CM,INA:shenks.dyndns.org,IBN:24555

    (I'm also at shenks.sychro.net, same place).

    Are you trying to impress us with your psychobabble?

    Nope, you just don't understand it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Sun Feb 25 07:22:39 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:11:43 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either way, I
    was tired of that merry-go-round. Since this is the group I visit
    and post in this site does fine. The other sites I used to visit
    such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for their resident
    trolls.

    Once it a blue moon, a valid message will come in the repair group but
    iy's been more than a month now.

    Of course this one isn't much better with Bruce trolling for politics
    every time the thread dies. No one in the USA really give a rats ass
    for repeated opinions from non-USA folks although Canadians reasonably
    have interest.

    I'm always a troll when I disagree with you about something. How
    convenient :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Sun Feb 25 07:23:11 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:13:39 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:40:14 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing and
    incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am also
    admin. >> i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM messages
    that is >> filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is plenty of
    effort to >> try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com (dot
    COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG is really
    meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like
    news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just find
    one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    Hi Richard! 1:275/100 here. A couple of folks getting grief
    trying to get a nwesreader working as Goougle groups demise. They
    don't understand BBS sites at all. It's an alien concept to them
    (grin).

    That's because BBS is a concept from the Middle Ages. (grin)

    Acutally they are running strong in Austrailia.

    I bet there are also still people who communicate using smoke signals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to George Sulzbach on Sun Feb 25 17:59:46 2024
    On 2024-02-24, George Sulzbach wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    [...] fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    [...] long ago scammers would [...] send gobs of spam

    No shit, any other obvious things you'd care to point out?

    That may just seem obvious. For sure, it was true years ago,
    but I have been showing a real working address for 10 years,
    and to date have received zero spam messages with it.

    About half(?) the people who post here seem to use a real address.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Feb 25 18:37:55 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:11:43 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either
    way, I >> was tired of that merry-go-round. Since this is the group
    I visit >> and post in this site does fine. The other sites I used
    to visit >> such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for
    their resident >> trolls.

    Once it a blue moon, a valid message will come in the repair group
    but iy's been more than a month now.

    Of course this one isn't much better with Bruce trolling for
    politics every time the thread dies. No one in the USA really give
    a rats ass for repeated opinions from non-USA folks although
    Canadians reasonably have interest.

    I'm always a troll when I disagree with you about something. How
    convenient :)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No. You haven't posted anything on topic
    for a really long time. Instead your posts are MEANT to be nasty most
    of the time and any negative reaction to it is met with a blatent
    trollish reply like this one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Feb 25 18:31:52 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:00:30 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:21:23 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like
    on >> >> Google Groups?

    No

    Yes.

    , the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS,
    then >> > the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet
    style, if >> > he's not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet
    will strip). >>
    Joan just showed that novaBBS makes crazy long lines, just like
    Google >> Groups used to. Unless you intervene yourself, as Joan
    always does. >>
    Of course you're not going to believe this, because you're always
    right.

    No, some saw long lines on the test, some didn't.

    And why did some see long lines of text? Because novaBBS, like Google
    Groups, makes crazy long lines. And that was the point. That some news readers correct this and shorten the lines is another matter.

    There's other sites to use. Mark Lewis seems to. Also as I said, use
    an OLR and let it wrap or do it manually as others do.

    The whole thing is just you trying to make a tempest in a teapot as
    usual.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sun Feb 25 19:12:09 2024
    On 2024-02-25, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    (Deleted pathetic troll attempt.)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No.

    Why waste any time with him?

    On a food note, I see that 'Pisti' pistachio cream spread is
    back at Costco after a year or so hiatus. The label says BB
    March 2025, so I think I will buy several because the two I
    bought last year only lasted a few weeks.

    For really quick saiety, I put it on my banana this AM.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Feb 25 19:10:35 2024
    Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:13:39 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:40:14 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Retro Guy wrote:

    The site has it's own filtering using Spamassassin for outgoing
    and >> >> incoming articles, and is peered to i2pn2.org, which I am
    also >> admin. >> i2pn2.org is one of the newservers sending NoCeM
    messages >> that is >> filtering spam for many nntp servers. There is
    plenty of >> effort to >> try to avoid spam on this site and server.

    Btw, novabbs.org is not the best choice, use www.novabbs.com
    (dot >> >> COM) for a faster site with longer retention. novabbs.ORG
    is really >> >> meant for Tor and I2P use.

    Or, for the best Usenet experience, use a news server like
    news.eternal-september.org or news.i2pn2.org (or others, just
    find >> >> one that at least attempts to filter spam)

    Hi Richard! 1:275/100 here. A couple of folks getting grief
    trying to get a nwesreader working as Goougle groups demise.
    They >> > don't understand BBS sites at all. It's an alien concept
    to them >> > (grin).

    That's because BBS is a concept from the Middle Ages. (grin)

    Acutally they are running strong in Austrailia.

    I bet there are also still people who communicate using smoke signals.

    History lesson for you, whether you like it or not. The average person
    only had access to newsgroups via college or very expensive compuserve accounts. Newsgroups were there but access was difficult or impossible
    to the common man until BBS sites (already several years in use
    worldwide). BBS sites wrote more software to hook in email exchange
    services (providing members of their sites a unique email address of
    their own.

    BBS sites added in newsgroup access to their existing message bases
    (early 90's) and ISPs shed prices fast driven by AOL and other
    mom-n-pop ISPs and normally free access at BBS sites (or very low cost
    access). Newsgroups exploded and a lot of new ones grew, often bearing
    close resemblance to existing FIDOnet message areas. The very one we
    are in _may_ have been based on one called 'Cooking' that is still
    running today and I was chatting with Denis (southern central Russia)
    about Hungarian Cream of mushroom soup recipes. He's still struggling
    with English but we help. Poor fellow only has a microwave to cook
    with. He seems sure he can replicate a crockpot with it based on his
    gaps in grasping what a crockpot really is (learning how to cook stage
    of his life).

    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it from a
    BBS.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sun Feb 25 14:24:17 2024
    On 2/25/2024 1:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Can you twist it to cooking? No. You haven't posted anything on topic
    for a really long time. Instead your posts are MEANT to be nasty most
    of the time and any negative reaction to it is met with a blatent
    trollish reply like this one.

    Why do you bother? He's been posting crap for years yet you keep
    replying to him.

    Jill

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Mon Feb 26 06:53:36 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:31:52 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:00:30 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:21:23 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Do you have to manually keep the line lengths reasonable, like
    on >> >> Google Groups?

    No

    Yes.

    , the OLR will handle that and if replying online to the BBS,
    then >> > the BBS will do it for you. The headers will be Fidonet
    style, if >> > he's not stripping them (or the gateway site to usenet
    will strip). >>
    Joan just showed that novaBBS makes crazy long lines, just like
    Google >> Groups used to. Unless you intervene yourself, as Joan
    always does. >>
    Of course you're not going to believe this, because you're always
    right.

    No, some saw long lines on the test, some didn't.

    And why did some see long lines of text? Because novaBBS, like Google
    Groups, makes crazy long lines. And that was the point. That some news
    readers correct this and shorten the lines is another matter.

    There's other sites to use. Mark Lewis seems to. Also as I said, use
    an OLR and let it wrap or do it manually as others do.

    The whole thing is just you trying to make a tempest in a teapot as
    usual.

    I don't care. If it looks unreadable, like the endless quotes of some
    people, I just don't read it. So much for a tempest.

    Hey, your Xananews made a mess again. Look at the quoted text.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Mon Feb 26 06:54:38 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:37:55 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:11:43 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    You were struggling with Thunderbird, not with Eternal September.

    I got TB set up, but ES kept running me in circles, but either
    way, I >> was tired of that merry-go-round. Since this is the group
    I visit >> and post in this site does fine. The other sites I used
    to visit >> such as alt.home.repair were just a feeding ground for
    their resident >> trolls.

    Once it a blue moon, a valid message will come in the repair group
    but iy's been more than a month now.

    Of course this one isn't much better with Bruce trolling for
    politics every time the thread dies. No one in the USA really give
    a rats ass for repeated opinions from non-USA folks although
    Canadians reasonably have interest.

    I'm always a troll when I disagree with you about something. How
    convenient :)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No. You haven't posted anything on topic
    for a really long time. Instead your posts are MEANT to be nasty most
    of the time and any negative reaction to it is met with a blatent
    trollish reply like this one.

    Take a chill pill, cshenk.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 06:55:29 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:24:17 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/25/2024 1:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Can you twist it to cooking? No. You haven't posted anything on topic
    for a really long time. Instead your posts are MEANT to be nasty most
    of the time and any negative reaction to it is met with a blatent
    trollish reply like this one.

    Why do you bother? He's been posting crap for years yet you keep
    replying to him.

    I knew Jill would jump on this bandwagon. Dave and Jill are habitual
    bandwagon jumpers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Mon Feb 26 07:01:41 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:10:35 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    History lesson for you, whether you like it or not. The average person
    only had access to newsgroups via college or very expensive compuserve >accounts. Newsgroups were there but access was difficult or impossible
    to the common man until BBS sites (already several years in use
    worldwide). BBS sites wrote more software to hook in email exchange
    services (providing members of their sites a unique email address of
    their own.

    BBS sites added in newsgroup access to their existing message bases
    (early 90's) and ISPs shed prices fast driven by AOL and other
    mom-n-pop ISPs and normally free access at BBS sites (or very low cost >access). Newsgroups exploded and a lot of new ones grew, often bearing
    close resemblance to existing FIDOnet message areas. The very one we
    are in _may_ have been based on one called 'Cooking' that is still
    running today and I was chatting with Denis (southern central Russia)
    about Hungarian Cream of mushroom soup recipes. He's still struggling
    with English but we help. Poor fellow only has a microwave to cook
    with. He seems sure he can replicate a crockpot with it based on his
    gaps in grasping what a crockpot really is (learning how to cook stage
    of his life).

    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it from a
    BBS.

    I used to be a professional programmer in the early 90s. I programmed
    for the company's BBS. I know what a BBS is.

    I also know that BBS's are a thing from the past.

    And I also know that there are plenty of people in RFC who have never
    used a BBS.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Feb 25 20:06:09 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, George Sulzbach wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    [...] fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    [...] long ago scammers would [...] send gobs of spam

    No shit, any other obvious things you'd care to point out?

    That may just seem obvious. For sure, it was true years ago,
    but I have been showing a real working address for 10 years,
    and to date have received zero spam messages with it.

    I don't want to start receiving e-mails from the denizens of
    the two newsgroups in which I'm active.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 08:39:35 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:37:46 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/25/2024 2:12 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    (Deleted pathetic troll attempt.)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No.

    Why waste any time with him?

    I've been wondering about that for years.

    Yes, the Spinster Biddy sees yet another bandwagon! Where's Dave
    "Mucus" Smith?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Feb 25 16:37:46 2024
    On 2/25/2024 2:12 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    (Deleted pathetic troll attempt.)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No.

    Why waste any time with him?

    I've been wondering about that for years.

    Jill

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 22:24:12 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I don't want to start receiving e-mails from the
    denizens of the two newsgroups in which I'm active.

    That has never happened to me either. If so, I can change it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From songbird@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Feb 26 09:06:15 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it from a
    BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 09:03:21 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:
    ...
    About half(?) the people who post here seem to use a real address.

    i get some spam once in a while, but not much to worry
    about it. pressing the 'd' key gets rid of it quickly
    enough. i don't even read it.


    songbird

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 09:04:14 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I don't want to start receiving e-mails from the
    denizens of the two newsgroups in which I'm active.

    That has never happened to me either. If so, I can change it.

    i've had a few pleasant conversations with a few people
    but nothing that makes me want to munge.


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Tue Feb 27 07:42:54 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:38:28 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, George Sulzbach wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    [...] fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    [...] long ago scammers would [...] send gobs of spam

    No shit, any other obvious things you'd care to point out?

    That may just seem obvious. For sure, it was true years ago,
    but I have been showing a real working address for 10 years,
    and to date have received zero spam messages with it.

    I don't want to start receiving e-mails from the denizens of
    the two newsgroups in which I'm active.

    Don't blame you! I got bit in 2021. It was very messy to fix it all.
    I still get spam today from one of the 'helpful services' that hops
    email addesses and names (all India seeming names etc.). I get 2-3 a
    day.

    I used to get 10 spam emails a day. Now I'm down to 2. Writing this
    may have jinxed it.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Feb 26 20:38:28 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, George Sulzbach wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    [...] fake email address. Most of us display a fake
    [...] long ago scammers would [...] send gobs of spam

    No shit, any other obvious things you'd care to point out?

    That may just seem obvious. For sure, it was true years ago,
    but I have been showing a real working address for 10 years,
    and to date have received zero spam messages with it.

    I don't want to start receiving e-mails from the denizens of
    the two newsgroups in which I'm active.

    Don't blame you! I got bit in 2021. It was very messy to fix it all.
    I still get spam today from one of the 'helpful services' that hops
    email addesses and names (all India seeming names etc.). I get 2-3 a
    day.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 20:47:09 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    (Deleted pathetic troll attempt.)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No.

    Why waste any time with him?

    Tired of him saying nasty things to people who disagree with him. He
    bit Leo and 'D' 2 days ago.

    On a food note, I see that 'Pisti' pistachio cream spread is
    back at Costco after a year or so hiatus. The label says BB
    March 2025, so I think I will buy several because the two I
    bought last year only lasted a few weeks.

    For really quick saiety, I put it on my banana this AM.

    Sounds good! I'll look about for something like it near me.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 26 20:52:02 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/25/2024 1:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Can you twist it to cooking? No. You haven't posted anything on
    topic for a really long time. Instead your posts are MEANT to be
    nasty most of the time and any negative reaction to it is met with
    a blatent trollish reply like this one.

    Why do you bother? He's been posting crap for years yet you keep
    replying to him.

    Jill

    He used to be topical. Something changed for him. Normally I ignore
    him. He's about to hit the bozo bin here. He won't care but he'll be
    gone from the stats.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Feb 26 21:00:31 2024
    songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it
    from a BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    Humm, AOL did have a big impact. Maybe 50/50 or something. You kinda
    live in the middle of nowhere now and BBS sites were thin on the ground
    there. Might have been living elswhere then.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Tue Feb 27 08:14:10 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:47:09 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, cshenk wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    (Deleted pathetic troll attempt.)

    Can you twist it to cooking? No.

    Why waste any time with him?

    Tired of him saying nasty things to people who disagree with him. He
    bit Leo and 'D' 2 days ago.

    Yes, for spouting Fox News nonsense.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Feb 26 21:56:03 2024
    On 2024-02-26, cshenk wrote:

    Sounds good! I'll look about for something like it near me.

    https://www.pisti.it/en/

    It's the first item on their site. Similar to 'Favuzzi'
    but at about 1/3 the cost retail.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Feb 26 18:05:39 2024
    On 2/26/2024 9:06 AM, songbird wrote:
    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it from a
    BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    I agree with that, songbird. AOL and Prodigy. BBS's were much more
    localized.

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Feb 26 18:50:27 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it
    from a BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    Humm, AOL did have a big impact. Maybe 50/50 or something. You kinda
    live in the middle of nowhere now and BBS sites were thin on the ground there. Might have been living elswhere then.

    um, i was reading usenet before the great renaming. i could
    read the entire usenet feed.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 26 18:53:29 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 9:06 AM, songbird wrote:
    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it from a
    BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    I agree with that, songbird. AOL and Prodigy. BBS's were much more localized.

    yes, i'd used a few BBS's in the early days but because
    i had a campus that was well connected i rarely felt i
    wasn't getting enough to read. in the early 80's a
    Mb/s was a great connection. the entire usenet feed was
    a tiny fraction of that plus the mailing lists i was on
    kept me busy enough.


    songbird

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Feb 27 21:51:04 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 9:06 AM, songbird wrote:
    cshenk wrote:
    ...
    Nuff said but most who found usenet/newsgroups, initially did it
    from a BBS.

    false, in terms of sheer numbers it was when AOL
    came along. before that it was university access
    (which was where it started). i'd put BBS's in
    3rd place.


    songbird

    I agree with that, songbird. AOL and Prodigy. BBS's were much more localized.

    Jill

    BBSes linked to each other across all continents except except the
    south pole. That was by 1983 roughly. Starting in the USA/Canada
    (zone 1) and quickly adding Europe (zone 2). Australia/NZ was next
    (zone 3) then South America/Mexico (zone 4). Next was Africa (zone 5)
    and finally Asia (zone 6) which split off from another zone (I think it
    was zone 3 but not sure).

    As fidonet got less popular, sites started shutting down. The first
    zone to be lost was Zone 5. The nest was zone 6 when I transferred
    back stateside and had no system operators remaining knowledgable
    enough to run at ZC (Zone coordinator) levels. I called for a vote and
    all remaing BBS system operators voted to move to Zone 3. I
    transitioned their entries to a very capable AUS system operator with
    the agreement of ZC3. There they reside today (or shutdown over time).
    New nodes in Asia now go to Z3 for entry.

    So Jill, chances are you dialed a local BBS but also most likely they
    had messages from other places in the world.

    Here's 2 as I couldn't remember if it was Nashville or Memphis you
    moved from. Current right now.

    ,20,Omicron_Theta,Memphis_TN,Robert_Wolfe,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,INA:wc4. winserver.org,IBN,IFT

    116,No_Soap_Radio,Nashville_TN,Danny_Walters,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,XA, PING,INA:116-116.dynu.net,IBN,ITN

    To connect you unlock telnet (it's still there but the default is off.
    Very easy to unlock, just google it).

    Then using telnet, copy the part after INA (ex: wc4.winserver.org) into
    telnet then connect.

    The same address *may* lead to a web based access as well but I haven't
    tried.

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