• Once in a generation

    From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 22:08:55 2024
    My wife got a craving for salmon patties for some reason. I bought a can
    of Bumblebee pink salmon for the event. She said she would do the
    cooking.
    Then she called her sister to see how to make them. I yelled, "Same as a meatloaf!", but she ignored me. Nevertheless, I decided to make the
    patties. When I did, she said she doesn't like the skin so I picked off
    the majority, made the patties and asked what she wanted as a side.
    She said "fried potatoes and onions". What? We haven't had that side
    since we last camped in the Nineties!
    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a pain-in-the-ass
    is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and make sure they're
    done. When I put in the patties, she said there wasn't enough oil.
    I let her take over the whole shebang, and here's the result. I don't
    think I've ever had this combination before. The green beans are canned.
    Even with the confusion I experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    <https://postimg.cc/w7HYvVFY>

    leo

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 19 18:19:41 2024
    On 2/19/2024 5:08 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    My wife got a craving for salmon patties for some reason. I bought a can
    of Bumblebee pink salmon for the event. She said she would do the
    cooking.
    Then she called her sister to see how to make them. I yelled, "Same as a meatloaf!", but she ignored me. Nevertheless, I decided to make the
    patties. When I did, she said she doesn't like the skin so I picked off
    the majority, made the patties and asked what she wanted as a side.
    She said "fried potatoes and onions". What? We haven't had that side
    since we last camped in the Nineties!
    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a pain-in-the-ass
    is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and make sure they're
    done. When I put in the patties, she said there wasn't enough oil.
    I let her take over the whole shebang, and here's the result. I don't
    think I've ever had this combination before. The green beans are canned.
    Even with the confusion I experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    <https://postimg.cc/w7HYvVFY>

    leo

    The salmon patties look good but the preparation is not really the same
    as making meatloaf.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 19 19:09:14 2024
    On 2/19/2024 5:08 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    My wife got a craving for salmon patties for some reason. I bought a can
    of Bumblebee pink salmon for the event. She said she would do the
    cooking.
    Then she called her sister to see how to make them. I yelled, "Same as a meatloaf!", but she ignored me. Nevertheless, I decided to make the
    patties. When I did, she said she doesn't like the skin so I picked off
    the majority, made the patties and asked what she wanted as a side.
    She said "fried potatoes and onions". What? We haven't had that side
    since we last camped in the Nineties!
    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a pain-in-the-ass
    is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and make sure they're
    done. When I put in the patties, she said there wasn't enough oil.
    I let her take over the whole shebang, and here's the result. I don't
    think I've ever had this combination before. The green beans are canned.
    Even with the confusion I experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    <https://postimg.cc/w7HYvVFY>

    leo

    Looks good. We used to make fried potatoes like that every few weeks.
    Been a while, I should do it again.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Feb 20 00:10:41 2024
    On 19/02/2024 23:41, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I'm pretty sure there's a few dozen ways to make salmon patties but mine are mixed with an egg, corn meal, and several healthy shakes of lemon pepper. Some use crushed saltines, some mix in flour, some add finely minced onion, it all depends on how you like salmon patties.

    I use shredded potatoes in mine, eggs, onion, parsley, and lemon pepper.

    By the way, Chicken of the Sea puts out small cans of boneless and skinless pink salmon for future reference. The cans are the size of a tuna can.

    Good to know.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Tue Feb 20 20:24:06 2024
    S Viemeister wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 23:41, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    I'm pretty sure there's a few dozen ways to make salmon patties but
    mine are mixed with an egg, corn meal, and several healthy shakes
    of lemon pepper. Some use crushed saltines, some mix in flour,
    some add finely minced onion, it all depends on how you like salmon patties.

    I use shredded potatoes in mine, eggs, onion, parsley, and lemon
    pepper.

    I like that idea as a variation.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Feb 20 20:21:29 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 5:08 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    My wife got a craving for salmon patties for some reason. I bought
    a can of Bumblebee pink salmon for the event. She said she would do
    the cooking.
    Then she called her sister to see how to make them. I yelled, "Same
    as a meatloaf!", but she ignored me. Nevertheless, I decided to
    make the patties. When I did, she said she doesn't like the skin so
    I picked off the majority, made the patties and asked what she
    wanted as a side. She said "fried potatoes and onions". What? We
    haven't had that side since we last camped in the Nineties!
    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a
    pain-in-the-ass is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and
    make sure they're done. When I put in the patties, she said there
    wasn't enough oil. I let her take over the whole shebang, and
    here's the result. I don't think I've ever had this combination
    before. The green beans are canned. Even with the confusion I
    experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    <https://postimg.cc/w7HYvVFY>

    leo

    The salmon patties look good but the preparation is not really the
    same as making meatloaf.

    Jill

    Definately not the same!

    I don't make them as unaccountably Don has decided salmon is not a fish
    he likes. Go figure?

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 20:27:35 2024
    dsi1 wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 12:09:02 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    My wife got a craving for salmon patties for some reason. I bought
    a can of Bumblebee pink salmon for the event. She said she would do
    the cooking.
    Then she called her sister to see how to make them. I yelled, "Same
    as a meatloaf!", but she ignored me. Nevertheless, I decided to
    make the patties. When I did, she said she doesn't like the skin so
    I picked off the majority, made the patties and asked what she
    wanted as a side. She said "fried potatoes and onions". What? We
    haven't had that side since we last camped in the Nineties!
    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a
    pain-in-the-ass is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and
    make sure they're done. When I put in the patties, she said there
    wasn't enough oil. I let her take over the whole shebang, and
    here's the result. I don't think I've ever had this combination
    before. The green beans are canned. Even with the confusion I
    experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    <https://postimg.cc/w7HYvVFY>

    leo

    I've made fish cakes from raw tuna but never salmon patties. I might
    have made them when I was a kid when I was learning to cook from cook
    books. It's one of the great classic American dishes! I suppose you
    could make salmon patties from raw salmon but people don't seem to do
    that. I will try to cook up some canned salmon patties. I think my
    wife will like them - but I probably won't.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vj9Z8cypnfMT3tRy6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/JtVnVN5G4B1eNFmC6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/qXz81wcj7xT2NmeG6

    Nice Yu Choy in the second picture.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Feb 20 18:50:12 2024
    On 2/19/2024 10:05 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 6:10:46 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 23:41, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I'm pretty sure there's a few dozen ways to make salmon patties but mine are
    mixed with an egg, corn meal, and several healthy shakes of lemon pepper. >>> Some use crushed saltines, some mix in flour, some add finely minced onion, >>> it all depends on how you like salmon patties.

    I use shredded potatoes in mine, eggs, onion, parsley, and lemon pepper.

    Ooooh, that sounds good!

    By the way, Chicken of the Sea puts out small cans of boneless and skinless >>> pink salmon for future reference. The cans are the size of a tuna can.

    Good to know.

    Even tuna makes quite tasty 'salmon' patties.

    I've never been a fan of canned tuna. Even my cats turned their noses
    up at it. Then again, neither one of them liked fishy cat food.

    When I make salmon patties I use a 15 oz. can of canned pink salmon, not
    the tuna sized can. I drain it and remove the little round bones but
    that's not really necessary since they are so soft they can be crushed
    with a fork. The skin doesn't bother me either but there really isn't
    much of it. Remove the skin if it bothers you. Mash the salmon in a
    mixing bowl with a fork. Stir in a bit of flour (or breadcrumbs), S&P,
    an egg, minced onion. I add a Tbs. of sour cream. More flour to help
    bind the mixture. (My mother used to add crushed corn chips rather than flour.) Expect it to be a bit crumbly. Form it into patties and let it
    set on waxed paper for a bit. Pan fry in a small amount of oil in a
    large non-stick skillet until browned on both sides.

    Jilll

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Feb 21 23:55:00 2024
    On 2024-02-20, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 5:08 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I sliced the potatoes and onions and remembered what a pain-in-the-ass
    is is to brown the potatoes in a black iron pan and make sure they're
    done. When I put in the patties, she said there wasn't enough oil.
    I let her take over the whole shebang, and here's the result. I don't
    think I've ever had this combination before. The green beans are canned.
    Even with the confusion I experienced, this turned out better than expected.

    Looks good. We used to make fried potatoes like that every few weeks.
    Been a while, I should do it again.


    Next time, if there is one, I'm cubing the potatoes. They're a hell of a
    lot easier to flip and brown.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 00:09:15 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    When I make salmon patties I use a 15 oz. can of canned pink salmon, not
    the tuna sized can. I drain it and remove the little round bones but
    that's not really necessary since they are so soft they can be crushed
    with a fork. The skin doesn't bother me either but there really isn't
    much of it. Remove the skin if it bothers you. Mash the salmon in a
    mixing bowl with a fork. Stir in a bit of flour (or breadcrumbs), S&P,
    an egg, minced onion. I add a Tbs. of sour cream. More flour to help
    bind the mixture. (My mother used to add crushed corn chips rather than flour.) Expect it to be a bit crumbly. Form it into patties and let it
    set on waxed paper for a bit. Pan fry in a small amount of oil in a
    large non-stick skillet until browned on both sides.

    Jilll

    If you like it, try a few healthy shakes of lemon pepper in your next batch
    of patties mixture.

    No, the skin or bones don't bother me, but when I was working and would make salmon patties for work lunches my co-worker hated the little bones. They're so soft, they make no difference to me so I would buy the little cans of boneless,
    skinless Chicken of the Sea salmon.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Feb 21 19:50:52 2024
    On 2/21/2024 7:09 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    When I make salmon patties I use a 15 oz. can of canned pink salmon,
    not the tuna sized can.  I drain it and remove the little round bones
    but that's not really necessary since they are so soft they can be
    crushed with a fork.  The skin doesn't bother me either but there
    really isn't much of it.  Remove the skin if it bothers you.  Mash the
    salmon in a mixing bowl with a fork.  Stir in a bit of flour (or
    breadcrumbs), S&P, an egg, minced onion.  I add a Tbs. of sour cream.
    More flour to help bind the mixture.  (My mother used to add crushed
    corn chips rather than flour.)  Expect it to be a bit crumbly.  Form
    it into patties and let it set on waxed paper for a bit.  Pan fry in a
    small amount of oil in a large non-stick skillet until browned on both
    sides.

    Jilll

    If you like it, try a few healthy shakes of lemon pepper in your next batch of patties mixture.

    I don't like lemon pepper. I think I have a bottle of it but I rarely
    use it for anything.

    No, the skin or bones don't bother me, but when I was working and would
    make
    salmon patties for work lunches my co-worker hated the little bones.
    They're
    so soft, they make no difference to me so I would buy the little cans of boneless,
    skinless Chicken of the Sea salmon.

    I understand why you'd buy the boneless skinless because your co-worker disliked the little bones, although they're easy enough to remove before
    to cook them. The Chicken of the Sea tuna-size cans cost more than the
    15 oz. Roland brand "fancy" (nothing fancy about it) pink salmon.

    I'm not saying either one is better than the other. They're just salmon patties, after all. :)

    Jill

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 01:43:12 2024
    On 2024-02-19, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The salmon patties look good but the preparation is not really the same
    as making meatloaf.


    It kind of is. Cracker or bread crumbs bring it all together along with
    an egg yolk and some salt. After that, one's imagination is the limit.
    That applies to any loose meat. I call it a method and not a recipe
    and will understand other points of view when I'm corrected.

    leo

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 22 02:51:21 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/21/2024 7:09 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    If you like it, try a few healthy shakes of lemon pepper in your next batch >> of patties mixture.

    I don't like lemon pepper. I think I have a bottle of it but I rarely
    use it for anything.

    Ok, that's out! There's so many additions one can add or omit and that's a good thing.

    I understand why you'd buy the boneless skinless because your co-worker disliked the little bones, although they're easy enough to remove before
    to cook them. The Chicken of the Sea tuna-size cans cost more than the
    15 oz. Roland brand "fancy" (nothing fancy about it) pink salmon.

    I'm not saying either one is better than the other. They're just salmon patties, after all. :)

    Jill

    I wonder if Chicken of the Sea produces those small tuna size cans of salmon because single folks requested them as they find a regular size just too much to have left over?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 22 07:36:30 2024
    On 2024-02-22, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    The meatloaf was mostly standard except for some ketchup, Korean beef broth powder, and corn. I cooked it in a rice cooker. My meatloaves are like fingerprints - no two are ever the same.


    So are mine. If I'm comfortable with the method, I use my palm as a
    measure. Sometimes I go crazy and add something that I hadn't thought of before. ;)
    I hope you're here tomorrow. You know how to be.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sun Feb 25 09:30:07 2024
    On 2/21/2024 9:51 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/21/2024 7:09 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    If you like it, try a few healthy shakes of lemon pepper in your next
    batch
    of patties mixture.

    I don't like lemon pepper.  I think I have a bottle of it but I rarely
    use it for anything.

    Ok, that's out!  There's so many additions one can add or omit and
    that's a good thing.

    I understand why you'd buy the boneless skinless because your
    co-worker disliked the little bones, although they're easy enough to
    remove before to cook them.  The Chicken of the Sea tuna-size cans
    cost more than the 15 oz. Roland brand "fancy" (nothing fancy about
    it) pink salmon.

    I'm not saying either one is better than the other.  They're just
    salmon patties, after all. :)

    Jill

    I wonder if Chicken of the Sea produces those small tuna size cans of
    salmon
    because single folks requested them as they find a regular size just too
    much to have left over?

    Or... they didn't want to change the production line to accommodate
    larger cans. Reheated leftover salmon patties are not a bad thing. :)
    Darn, now I'm craving salmon patties!

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Feb 25 10:18:45 2024
    On 2024-02-25 9:30 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/21/2024 9:51 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    I wonder if Chicken of the Sea produces those small tuna size cans of
    salmon
    because single folks requested them as they find a regular size just
    too much to have left over?

    Or... they didn't want to change the production line to accommodate
    larger cans.  Reheated leftover salmon patties are not a bad thing. :)
    Darn, now I'm craving salmon patties!

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would involve a lot
    of extra expense to retool the production line. They seem to have no
    problems paying that to downsize their products while maintaining the
    old price.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 16:18:35 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 9:30 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/21/2024 9:51 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    I wonder if Chicken of the Sea produces those small tuna size cans of
    salmon
    because single folks requested them as they find a regular size just
    too much to have left over?

    Or... they didn't want to change the production line to accommodate
    larger cans.  Reheated leftover salmon patties are not a bad thing. :)
    Darn, now I'm craving salmon patties!

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would involve a lot
    of extra expense to retool the production line. They seem to have no
    problems paying that to downsize their products while maintaining the
    old price.

    For tuna, at least, it looks like they simply made the cans shorter,
    which would require less retooling.

    And then there are those 3-ounce cans, which represent a greater
    profit margin and thus are worth the cost.

    For ice cream, etc., the cartons are probably made to a specification,
    and the maker of the carton would have to eat the cost of shrinkflation.

    I'm still holding out hope that the U.S. will really metricate
    before I die. We're halfway there already, for Christ's sake.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 17:30:43 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Feb 25 12:59:17 2024
    On 2/21/2024 8:43 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The salmon patties look good but the preparation is not really the same
    as making meatloaf.


    It kind of is. Cracker or bread crumbs bring it all together along with
    an egg yolk and some salt. After that, one's imagination is the limit.
    That applies to any loose meat. I call it a method and not a recipe
    and will understand other points of view when I'm corrected.

    leo

    I'll concede, Leo. :) Although I don't use cracker crumbs or bread
    crumbs in my salmon patties there is a beaten egg (not just the yolk)
    and some seasoned flour involved as part of the binder.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Feb 25 19:51:41 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 15:19:21 2024
    On 2024-02-25 2:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    It makes sense to me because I worked with a couple guys who expressed
    the same thoughts. They thought that it was a a way to hide the increase
    in gas prices. We had been dealing in Imperial Gallons and there are
    about 4.5 litres to the gallon. An increase of 10 cents per gallon would translate closer to 2.5 cents per unit, so it was easier to pull the
    wool over their eyes.
    Gas prices have been bouncing up and down like crazy over the last few
    years. Recently the local price rose by about 10 cents/litre. Even the
    above mentioned stupid people noticed it, but we were dealing in Imp.
    Gal the price jump would have been 45 cents.


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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 15:28:53 2024
    On 2/25/2024 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.


    Exactly. They cannot comprehend and convert, therefore we must be
    getting cheated. Just like stores price by the pound when I only need
    16 ounces. Its a scam!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Feb 25 15:48:03 2024
    On 2024-02-25 3:28 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.


    Exactly.  They cannot comprehend and convert, therefore we must be
    getting cheated.  Just like stores price by the pound when I only need
    16 ounces.  Its a scam!


    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people
    away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 21:46:49 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 2:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    It makes sense to me because I worked with a couple guys who expressed
    the same thoughts. They thought that it was a a way to hide the increase
    in gas prices. We had been dealing in Imperial Gallons and there are
    about 4.5 litres to the gallon. An increase of 10 cents per gallon would translate closer to 2.5 cents per unit, so it was easier to pull the
    wool over their eyes.

    Dear God. Do the math once and then just track the price per liter.
    You'll soon get a feel for the scale of things.

    Gas prices have been bouncing up and down like crazy over the last few
    years. Recently the local price rose by about 10 cents/litre. Even the
    above mentioned stupid people noticed it, but we were dealing in Imp.
    Gal the price jump would have been 45 cents.

    I figure it's just a game. Gas goes up, gas comes down. Usually for
    no apparent reason.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 21:51:29 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 3:28 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.


    Exactly.  They cannot comprehend and convert, therefore we must be
    getting cheated.  Just like stores price by the pound when I only need
    16 ounces.  Its a scam!


    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

    What's to figure? I would usually buy "about 200 grams". Although
    if my husband needed American cheese I would buy a kilo.

    I was at the deli looking at Spanish ham for $25/pound. I don't
    think $55/kilo would have made me feel much worse.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 15:22:40 2024
    On 2024-02-25 2:46 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 2:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    It makes sense to me because I worked with a couple guys who expressed
    the same thoughts. They thought that it was a a way to hide the increase
    in gas prices. We had been dealing in Imperial Gallons and there are
    about 4.5 litres to the gallon. An increase of 10 cents per gallon would
    translate closer to 2.5 cents per unit, so it was easier to pull the
    wool over their eyes.

    Dear God. Do the math once and then just track the price per liter.
    You'll soon get a feel for the scale of things.

    It's the same in baking. Using grams and mls one can scale a recipe
    with ease.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 22:50:22 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    'Simple' math. Let's say the base price before the 1973
    Saudi oil embargo was around $1.00 per gallon for the
    sake of demonstrative calculations. We can also assume
    about 4 litres per gallon as a US-Imperial compromise.

    That means $0.25 per gallon. But the price went up to
    $0.30 to $0.40 per gallon. My uncle said they raised
    the price an unfair amount because everyone except
    himself thought it was not so steep because prior the
    price was marked at the pumps was around $1 but after
    was marked at $0.35 which seemed to be cheaper.

    Yes, I knew it was a faulty calculation, but there
    was no way way I would argue with him about how
    stupid eveyone else was.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 18:01:36 2024
    On 2024-02-25 4:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people
    away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

    What's to figure? I would usually buy "about 200 grams". Although
    if my husband needed American cheese I would buy a kilo.

    I was at the deli looking at Spanish ham for $25/pound. I don't
    think $55/kilo would have made me feel much worse.


    I guess you are smarter than the average person. We have been metric for
    more than 40 years and a lot of people still have trouble with it. They
    just can't give up the pounds and oz and felt a need to to convert.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Feb 25 23:01:39 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    I remember when they thought/tried to switch gasoline from gallons
    to liters there was an *immediate* scream fest about no reduction
    in price because of the reduction in amount being received. Less
    amount received vs. same price for a gallon put the quietus on
    that switch.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Feb 25 19:29:43 2024
    On 2/25/2024 4:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 3:28 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.


    Exactly.  They cannot comprehend and convert, therefore we must be
    getting cheated.  Just like stores price by the pound when I only need
    16 ounces.  Its a scam!


    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people
    away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

    What's to figure? I would usually buy "about 200 grams". Although
    if my husband needed American cheese I would buy a kilo.

    I was at the deli looking at Spanish ham for $25/pound. I don't
    think $55/kilo would have made me feel much worse.

    Grams won't work. I put about 4 ounces on a sandwich.
    McDonald's sells Quarter pounders, not 113 gramers!

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sun Feb 25 19:46:19 2024
    On 2/25/2024 5:50 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    'Simple' math. Let's say the base price before the 1973
    Saudi oil embargo was around $1.00 per gallon for the
    sake of demonstrative calculations. We can also assume
    about 4 litres per gallon as a US-Imperial compromise.

    That means $0.25 per gallon. But the price went up to
    $0.30 to $0.40 per gallon. My uncle said they raised
    the price an unfair amount because everyone except
    himself thought it was not so steep because prior the
    price was marked at the pumps was around $1 but after
    was marked at $0.35 which seemed to be cheaper.

    Yes, I knew it was a faulty calculation, but there
    was no way way I would argue with him about how
    stupid eveyone else was.


    People don't give up easily. Most Americans think the entire world
    should speak English (real English, not the British version) and use pounds/gallons.

    At work, all our machines were metric. When we hired someone new for maintenance or supervisor, they dreaded the idea. A few weeks later,
    they never wanted to go back to US measures.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Feb 25 21:31:39 2024
    On 2024-02-25 7:46 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 5:50 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    'Simple' math. Let's say the base price before the 1973
    Saudi oil embargo was around $1.00 per gallon for the
    sake of demonstrative calculations. We can also assume
    about 4 litres per gallon as a US-Imperial compromise.

    That means $0.25 per gallon. But the price went up to
    $0.30 to $0.40 per gallon. My uncle said they raised
    the price an unfair amount because everyone except
    himself thought it was not so steep because prior the
    price was marked at the pumps was around $1 but after
    was marked at $0.35 which seemed to be cheaper.

    Yes, I knew it was a faulty calculation, but there
    was no way way I would argue with him about how
    stupid eveyone else was.

    People don't give up easily.  Most Americans think the entire world
    should speak English (real English, not the British version) and use pounds/gallons.

    At work, all our machines were metric.  When we hired someone new for maintenance or supervisor, they dreaded the idea.  A few weeks later,
    they never wanted to go back to US measures.



    I wonder how much time is spent in trades courses teaching people how to
    figure out which wrench size is one size up from the other when you are
    dealing with people who are in the trades because they weren't good at
    math.It is so much easier dealing with who numbers instead of weird
    fractions.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 20:43:21 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 7:46 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 5:50 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    'Simple' math. Let's say the base price before the 1973
    Saudi oil embargo was around $1.00 per gallon for the
    sake of demonstrative calculations. We can also assume
    about 4 litres per gallon as a US-Imperial compromise.

    That means $0.25 per gallon. But the price went up to
    $0.30 to $0.40 per gallon. My uncle said they raised
    the price an unfair amount because everyone except
    himself thought it was not so steep because prior the
    price was marked at the pumps was around $1 but after
    was marked at $0.35 which seemed to be cheaper.

    Yes, I knew it was a faulty calculation, but there
    was no way way I would argue with him about how
    stupid eveyone else was.

    People don't give up easily.  Most Americans think the entire world
    should speak English (real English, not the British version) and use
    pounds/gallons.

    At work, all our machines were metric.  When we hired someone new for
    maintenance or supervisor, they dreaded the idea.  A few weeks later,
    they never wanted to go back to US measures.



    I wonder how much time is spent in trades courses teaching people how to figure out which wrench size is one size up from the other when you are dealing with people who are in the trades because they weren't good at math.It is so much easier dealing with who numbers instead of weird fractions.


    So, fractions seem weird to you, officer dave?

    I remember them from grade school.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Feb 26 03:00:34 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 7:46 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 5:50 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.

    'Simple' math. Let's say the base price before the 1973
    Saudi oil embargo was around $1.00 per gallon for the
    sake of demonstrative calculations. We can also assume
    about 4 litres per gallon as a US-Imperial compromise.

    That means $0.25 per gallon. But the price went up to
    $0.30 to $0.40 per gallon. My uncle said they raised
    the price an unfair amount because everyone except
    himself thought it was not so steep because prior the
    price was marked at the pumps was around $1 but after
    was marked at $0.35 which seemed to be cheaper.

    Yes, I knew it was a faulty calculation, but there
    was no way way I would argue with him about how
    stupid eveyone else was.

    People don't give up easily.  Most Americans think the entire world
    should speak English (real English, not the British version) and use
    pounds/gallons.

    At work, all our machines were metric.  When we hired someone new for >>> maintenance or supervisor, they dreaded the idea.  A few weeks later, >>> they never wanted to go back to US measures.



    I wonder how much time is spent in trades courses teaching people how to
    figure out which wrench size is one size up from the other when you are
    dealing with people who are in the trades because they weren't good at
    math.It is so much easier dealing with who numbers instead of weird fractions.


    So, fractions seem weird to you, officer dave?

    I remember them from grade school.


    At a former job at an agency that trained peeps for manufacturing careers (welding, CNC, press brake), I had to learn some basic shop math...

    I am lousy at math, but I learned the basics fairly quickly...

    Maybe RCMP Offiser Dave took "the short bus" to his one - room country school...

    --
    GM

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Feb 26 05:27:36 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    It is so much easier dealing with whole
    numbers instead of weird fractions.

    So, fractions seem weird to you, officer dave?
    I remember them from grade school.

    Well, as far as fractions go, wrench sizes are all
    weird because the denominator is always a power of two.

    If we express the wrench sizes as binary fractions,
    the gradations of size would be really obvious.

    If you allow me use a 'decimal' point as a 'binary' point,
    ascending wrench sizes are:

    Bin Dec

    0.001 1/8
    0.010 1/4
    0,011 3/8
    0.100 1/2
    0.101 5/8
    0.110 3/4
    0.111 7/8

    The left column is obviously just counting in binary

    (000 to 111) / 1000

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 10:08:24 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-26, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    It is so much easier dealing with whole
    numbers instead of weird fractions.

    So, fractions seem weird to you, officer dave?
    I remember them from grade school.

    Well, as far as fractions go, wrench sizes are all
    weird because the denominator is always a power of two.

    If we express the wrench sizes as binary fractions,

    Oh, dear. Number systems that aren't base 10 are too difficult.
    That's New Math.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Feb 26 10:11:42 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 4:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people >>> away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

    What's to figure? I would usually buy "about 200 grams". Although
    if my husband needed American cheese I would buy a kilo.

    I was at the deli looking at Spanish ham for $25/pound. I don't
    think $55/kilo would have made me feel much worse.


    I guess you are smarter than the average person.

    Of course I am. I also don't care whether the difference between
    "degrees" Celsius is about twice that of Fahrenheit. Nothing I
    measure needs that kind of precision.

    We have been metric for
    more than 40 years and a lot of people still have trouble with it. They
    just can't give up the pounds and oz and felt a need to to convert.

    How about young people who grew up with it? Do they just roll their
    eyes at the old fogies who think in pounds and ounces?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Feb 26 10:15:15 2024
    On 2024-02-25, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith wrote:

    It is funny how so many complained that going metric would

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    I remember when they thought/tried to switch gasoline from gallons
    to liters there was an *immediate* scream fest about no reduction
    in price because of the reduction in amount being received. Less
    amount received vs. same price for a gallon put the quietus on
    that switch.

    No, I don't remember that at all. I remember the displayed price
    going down commensurate with the reduction in volume. Perhaps your
    state should have exerted more control over gas station operators.

    It would have saved the gas stations a ton when the price per gallon
    went over $1.00 and they had to replace all their analog pumps.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 10:18:40 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 4:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 3:28 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My uncle always (i.e. for YEARS afterwards) said that we went
    metric so that 'stupid' people (i.e. other than himself) would
    not notice how much more it costed that year to fill up their
    gas tank because the price was in litres vs. gallons.

    That doesn't make a lick of sense.


    Exactly.  They cannot comprehend and convert, therefore we must be
    getting cheated.  Just like stores price by the pound when I only need >>>> 16 ounces.  Its a scam!


    You would love the way they price cold cuts at the deli counters here.
    They don't dare price the stuff out by the kilo. When you are dealing
    with good hams, salamis etc the price of a kilo of it would scare people >>> away. Given a hypothetical $10 per pound, the metric cost would be
    $22.50 per kg. They soften the blow by pricing them per 100 grams.
    That's a little less than 4 oz. They make it virtually impossible for
    people to figure it out, but it does allow them to ask a price that
    seems affordable.

    What's to figure? I would usually buy "about 200 grams". Although
    if my husband needed American cheese I would buy a kilo.

    I was at the deli looking at Spanish ham for $25/pound. I don't
    think $55/kilo would have made me feel much worse.

    Grams won't work. I put about 4 ounces on a sandwich.

    [Insert nerdy and clueless response here.]

    McDonald's sells Quarter pounders, not 113 gramers!

    Technically, McDonald's sells whatever is left after 1/4 pound
    of beef has all the goodness cooked out of it.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to David Smith on Mon Feb 26 11:52:11 2024
    In article <ytZCN.567028$p%Mb.518874@fx15.iad>,
    hamilton@invalid.com says...

    David Smith wrote

    We have been metric for
    more than 40 years and a lot of people still have trouble with it. They just can't give up the pounds and oz and felt a need to to convert.

    How about young people who grew up with it? Do they just roll their
    eyes at the old fogies who think in pounds and ounces?

    Oddly enough, I notice that the advantage lies with
    older people; the generation who were adult
    consumers/spenders/ builders/ cooks when they had no
    choice but to adjust from the old system to the new.

    It was like brain gym, a mental excercise regime to train
    quick thinking, memory, observation. We're the ones
    rolling our eyes at people whose slack brains are so lame
    they're on crutches.

    Janet UK

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 26 22:38:08 2024
    On 2024-02-25, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 2/21/2024 8:43 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    It kind of is. Cracker or bread crumbs bring it all together along with
    an egg yolk and some salt. After that, one's imagination is the limit.
    That applies to any loose meat. I call it a method and not a recipe
    and will understand other points of view when I'm corrected.

    I'll concede, Leo. :) Although I don't use cracker crumbs or bread
    crumbs in my salmon patties there is a beaten egg (not just the yolk)
    and some seasoned flour involved as part of the binder.


    I ought to proofread better. I meant egg, not egg yolk. :(

    leo

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