• Valentines Day is special to Hawaiians

    From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 14 21:21:37 2024
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Fri Feb 16 06:00:37 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo

    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 15 20:25:41 2024
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo

    It doesn't matter who the heroes were. Guns, germs, and steel
    carried the day.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 15 21:23:16 2024
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    It doesn't matter who the heroes were. Guns, germs, and steel
    carried the day.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    You're wrong about that. It was rocks, wooden spears, and knives given to the Hawaiians by Cook, that carried the day.

    I meant in the long run.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Fri Feb 16 08:16:01 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:31:44 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:00:48 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called
    Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

    A lot of native Hawaiians are reluctant to call themselves "Americans." Things were a lot simpler back in the days when the history of the Kingdom of Hawaii was suppressed. My guess is that in the future, the Hawaiians will gain back the sovereignty of
    their Kingdom.

    Breakfast this morning was crepes. It was okay, I guess. I haven't made crepes since I was in high school. These were filled with sliced banana. If I had some Nutella, I'd have spread that on too. Nutella and bananas seem to be a thing in the US.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZweTUeM3xCqiGXDY7

    Most of the time countries refuse to give up any land area. They'd
    rather go to war to increase their land area. The US and Europe don't
    do that anymore, but why would the US let go of Hawaii?

    Is that whipped cream or ice cream?


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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 15 21:24:03 2024
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:00:48 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called
    Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

    A lot of native Hawaiians are reluctant to call themselves "Americans." Things were a lot simpler back in the days when the history of the Kingdom of Hawaii was suppressed. My guess is that in the future, the Hawaiians will gain back the sovereignty of
    their Kingdom.

    Only if the law changes. It's illegal to secede from the union.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Fri Feb 16 09:19:56 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:41:08 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:16:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:31:44 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:00:48 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't
    care. For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called
    Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

    A lot of native Hawaiians are reluctant to call themselves "Americans." Things were a lot simpler back in the days when the history of the Kingdom of Hawaii was suppressed. My guess is that in the future, the Hawaiians will gain back the sovereignty
    of their Kingdom.

    Breakfast this morning was crepes. It was okay, I guess. I haven't made crepes since I was in high school. These were filled with sliced banana. If I had some Nutella, I'd have spread that on too. Nutella and bananas seem to be a thing in the US.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZweTUeM3xCqiGXDY7

    Most of the time countries refuse to give up any land area. They'd
    rather go to war to increase their land area. The US and Europe don't
    do that anymore, but why would the US let go of Hawaii?

    Is that whipped cream or ice cream?


    The Soviet Union broke apart into different countries. Didn't the UK break apart from the EU? Didn't Ireland break apart from the UK and Northern Ireland? The US could break apart into separate states too. This was unthinkable a decade ago but things
    have changed. A lot of people no longer have faith in our process of electing leaders or our constitution. My guess is our union is too far gone to survive.

    I don't think the US will fall apart. I also don't see the advantage
    to anybody, although I don't know about Hawaii's perspective.

    That's whipped cream and caramel sauce. Americans like their pancakes on the sweet side.

    Me too, although I can't remember the last time I had a pancake or
    crepe.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 15 17:54:59 2024
    On 2024-02-15 3:25 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a
    heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town
    bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to
    kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care. For a great many
    people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo

    It doesn't matter who the heroes were. Guns, germs, and steel
    carried the day.

    There is a lot of truth to that. I would suggest that the English had a
    way of making alliances with some of the locals and then planting some
    of their own kind on the soil to ensure loyalty, something that the
    Americans have tried to emulate. Give them some infrastructure and a
    semblance of a fair government and you have acquired some territory for
    your empire. Sometimes the people you plant there rebel, like in Ireland
    and the US.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 15 18:09:10 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-15, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 4:21:43 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    It doesn't matter who the heroes were. Guns, germs, and steel
    carried the day.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    You're wrong about that. It was rocks, wooden spears, and knives given to the Hawaiians by Cook, that carried the day.

    I meant in the long run.


    Shhh. Uncle Tojo has much aloha for da hawayans.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Feb 15 19:27:48 2024
    On 2/14/2024 9:21 PM, Ed P wrote:

    https://imgur.com/gallery/j7WZcJV

    Oh Ed... there's always this (which has nothing to do with Hawaii):

    https://www.history.com/topics/crime/saint-valentines-day-massacre

    Chicago gangsters and bootleggers, Al Capone!

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to jpburns@westnet.com.au on Fri Feb 16 17:37:43 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:40:49 -0800 (PST), Golden One
    <jpburns@westnet.com.au> wrote:

    On Friday 16 February 2024 at 03:00:48 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't care.
    For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called
    Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

    Captain Cook landed in Australia 29th April 1770. 26th January 1788 was the date the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove and planted the flag to claim the land, having first arrived at Botany Bay on 20th January 1788. Yes the date of Australia Day should
    be changed, it has changed several times over the years. A large section of the Australian public is racist, either overtly or passively, after all the majority of Australians don't even want the first people recognised in the Constitution.

    I stand corrected.

    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and
    explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes would
    mean.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 16 07:49:05 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and
    explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes would
    mean.

    i think the constitution should be color blind (as it
    should also not be dealing in religion) so to me having
    some element of society set apart in a constitution adds
    an element of class to the whole thing and that should
    always be avoided.


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Feb 16 09:07:19 2024
    On 2024-02-16 7:49 a.m., songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and
    explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes would
    mean.

    i think the constitution should be color blind (as it
    should also not be dealing in religion) so to me having
    some element of society set apart in a constitution adds
    an element of class to the whole thing and that should
    always be avoided.



    All people are equal but some are more equal that others.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Feb 16 09:38:51 2024
    On 2/16/2024 7:49 AM, songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    ...
    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and
    explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes would
    mean.

    i think the constitution should be color blind (as it
    should also not be dealing in religion) so to me having
    some element of society set apart in a constitution adds
    an element of class to the whole thing and that should
    always be avoided.


    songbird
    Spending money is a religious experience. It is stamped with "In God We
    Trust"

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to jpburns@westnet.com.au on Mon Feb 19 14:06:40 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 18:22:11 -0800 (PST), Golden One
    <jpburns@westnet.com.au> wrote:

    On Friday 16 February 2024 at 14:37:56 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:40:49 -0800 (PST), Golden One
    <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

    On Friday 16 February 2024 at 03:00:48 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:28:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    For the Hawaiians and much of Polynesia, Cap'n Cook isn't much of a heroic figure. Who can blame them? Some alien comes to your town bringing diseases and death. The alien knows that this is going to kill off a lot of natives but he just didn't
    care. For a great many people in the Pacific, it's the Hawaiians that were the heroes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agsiFcRGAQo
    On 26 January 1788, Captain Cook first set foot on Australian soil.
    Chinese, Portuguese and Dutch had already been here, but didn't hang
    around. January 26 is now a national holiday in Australia. It's called
    Australia Day. Indigenous people and those on their side call the day
    Invasion Day and want the date of Australia Day changed. I couldn't
    agree more.

    Captain Cook landed in Australia 29th April 1770. 26th January 1788 was the date the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove and planted the flag to claim the land, having first arrived at Botany Bay on 20th January 1788. Yes the date of Australia Day
    should be changed, it has changed several times over the years. A large section of the Australian public is racist, either overtly or passively, after all the majority of Australians don't even want the first people recognised in the Constitution.
    I stand corrected.

    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and
    explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes would
    mean.

    I voted yes, too. I guess it depends where you live as to how much racism you see. I live in the midwest of WA where racism is rampant. Some people have no compunction about saying the most vile things openly.

    Meanwhile, I don't know if I am going to make it through summer without melting. Hottest Feb on record. So far about 12 days over 40C, 8 of those 46+, topped out yesterday at 49.5, already 44 at 8.30 this morning. Yesterday I did some Foodbank
    deliveries about 2 hours inland where it hit 53C. You won't see that temperature recorded anywhere, they don't have an official recorder.

    Had a fabulous kitchen sink salad for dinner, topped with grilled squid and a Thai inspired dressing of my own invention.

    I never see any racism, but I also don't often see people, indigenous
    or not. Working from home and living in the countryside, I see more
    kangaroos than people.

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Golden One on Mon Feb 19 20:26:43 2024
    Golden One wrote:

    On Friday 16 February 2024 at 14:37:56 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:40:49 -0800 (PST), Golden One <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I voted
    Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was presented and explained poorly and most people didn't really know what a Yes
    would mean.

    I voted yes, too. I guess it depends where you live as to how much
    racism you see. I live in the midwest of WA where racism is rampant.
    Some people have no compunction about saying the most vile things
    openly.


    This true but some folks live with their head in the sand and that's
    true everywhere.

    Meanwhile, I don't know if I am going to make it through summer
    without melting. Hottest Feb on record. So far about 12 days over
    40C, 8 of those 46+, topped out yesterday at 49.5, already 44 at 8.30
    this morning. Yesterday I did some Foodbank deliveries about 2 hours
    inland where it hit 53C. You won't see that temperature recorded
    anywhere, they don't have an official recorder.

    Ouch! I've never benn to austrailia in full summer nor inland. Darwin normally for me as the US Navy ships types that pull in there are
    Amphibious assault types. I did 7 years homeported in Sabebo Japan on
    2 amphibs, so saw Darwin a fair amount.

    Had a fabulous kitchen sink salad for dinner, topped with grilled
    squid and a Thai inspired dressing of my own invention.

    JB

    Grin, welcome and if you want to keep posting, you'll neew to join
    Eternal Sseptember and pickup a newsreader. Thunderbird is most common
    but more complex to set up. Xananews pretty much works out of the box
    but a heck of a lot easier to setup. It's just as flexible and both
    are still currently supported.

    Carol

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 19 21:13:40 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 20 08:37:13 2024
    On 19 Feb 2024 21:13:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves >climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    Back to Fox News with you, Leo.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 19 21:48:31 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2024 21:13:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather". >>Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves >>climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced >>continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    Back to Fox News with you, Leo.

    Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
    and weather, but concluded it was pointless.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Tue Feb 20 09:37:38 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:48:31 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2024 21:13:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather". >>>Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves >>>climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost >>>my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work >>>out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced >>>continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're >>>"scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    Back to Fox News with you, Leo.

    Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
    and weather, but concluded it was pointless.

    His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
    Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
    repeated and confirmed all that time.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 20 09:38:53 2024
    On 19 Feb 2024 22:16:16 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
    and weather, but concluded it was pointless.


    It's all a matter of time and prognostication. Have you visited Zoltar >lately? Your money would be better spent.

    I was expecting a post like the following from you:

    "Zeitgeist. Think about it. Think harder."

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Tue Feb 20 09:39:53 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:29:09 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
    climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
    a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago >there were glaciers practically in my back yard

    Lol, how to make everything and I mean EVERYTHING about Dave Smith.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 19 17:29:09 2024
    On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
    a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago
    there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
    receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
    been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 19 20:00:31 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    We burn about 100 million tons of fuel every day for about 100 years.
    Think that may do something?

    of course they don't care, they'll be dead before it ruins
    their afternoon meals.

    their children and children's children will think them rather
    ignorant and destructive.


    songbird

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Feb 19 19:06:09 2024
    On 2/19/2024 5:29 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
    climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

     I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are  receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
    a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
    receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
    been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

    We burn about 100 million tons of fuel every day for about 100 years.
    Think that may do something?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Feb 19 22:16:16 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
    and weather, but concluded it was pointless.


    It's all a matter of time and prognostication. Have you visited Zoltar
    lately? Your money would be better spent.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Feb 20 10:43:14 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
    from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
    Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
    my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
    out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
    continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    True! Where I'm sitting there was 3 km of ice, all created without the
    help of any human beings. Then people were farming grapes, and vikings had farms on greenland, again without any help from people. Now the world has
    gone mad and thinks we'll die tomorrow.

    Also CO2 has been 10x what it is now, and the planet was basically covered
    in plants.

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
    "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
    world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Feb 20 19:43:52 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in
    Australia, from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.


    Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather". Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling
    themselves climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global
    cooling. I lost my first career to that. Then, it was global
    warming. That didn't work out well either.
    So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
    that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
    "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

    I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live
    on a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years
    ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have
    been receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there
    have been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

    I suspect we are in a mini-warming period. When my Grandfather was
    still of an age, he did skating on the Hudson. Besides the pollution
    now, it's just not warm enough to freeze over for that anymore.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Tue Feb 20 19:49:27 2024
    bruce bowser wrote:

    On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
    Golden One wrote:

    On Friday 16 February 2024 at 14:37:56 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:40:49 -0800 (PST), Golden One <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

    If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I
    voted Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was
    presented and explained poorly and most people didn't really
    know what a Yes would mean.

    I voted yes, too. I guess it depends where you live as to how
    much racism you see. I live in the midwest of WA where racism is
    rampant. Some people have no compunction about saying the most
    vile things openly.
    This true but some folks live with their head in the sand and
    that's true everywhere.
    Meanwhile, I don't know if I am going to make it through summer
    without melting. Hottest Feb on record. So far about 12 days over
    40C, 8 of those 46+, topped out yesterday at 49.5, already 44 at
    8.30 this morning. Yesterday I did some Foodbank deliveries about
    2 hours inland where it hit 53C. You won't see that temperature
    recorded anywhere, they don't have an official recorder.
    Ouch! I've never benn to austrailia in full summer nor inland.
    Darwin normally for me as the US Navy ships types that pull in
    there are Amphibious assault types.

    Whoa, Carol there you go, again. Wait a minute, now. Lets get this straight. Why do you keep talking about that stone age, Neanderthal
    crap? All that 60s military stuff is now obsolete. Nothing more to
    it. Nothing, more. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Everything now is robot,
    drone guided, unmanned. Everyone stays in a trailer somewhere in
    Florida. Look, Carol: its like ... I don't know: seeing chainsaws
    with one or two small attachments flying through the air. That's all
    the military is now. Those 'nam days are gone forever. I don't know
    how many times I had to tell my Paw that, too.

    I did 7 years homeported in Sabebo Japan on
    2 amphibs, so saw Darwin a fair amount.
    Had a fabulous kitchen sink salad for dinner, topped with grilled
    squid and a Thai inspired dressing of my own invention.

    JB
    Grin, welcome and if you want to keep posting, you'll neew to join
    Eternal Sseptember and pickup a newsreader.

    Its a few other ones, and like for $10 or $12 bucks a year to get
    full usenet reading and posting. I even hear its less than that, now.

    Thunderbird is most common but more complex to set up. Xananews
    pretty much works out of the box but a heck of a lot easier to
    setup. It's just as flexible and both are still currently
    supported.

    I can't believe you wouldn't mention Giganews or, well yeah, Eternal September. Oh Hey Carol also, over on Reddit, they're talking about
    other Usenet providers at this website: --

    https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/183piro/comprehensive_guide_to_current_usenet_block/?rdt=44542

    Darwin is a city in Australia. North eastern tip.

    I mentioned only free ones.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Wed Feb 21 06:58:24 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:43:52 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Dave Smith wrote:

    I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live
    on a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years
    ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have
    been receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there
    have been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

    I suspect we are in a mini-warming period.

    Not just mini. The planet's going to hell and right-wingers are making
    it worse.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 00:23:16 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
    Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
    repeated and confirmed all that time.


    Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
    Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
    never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a
    crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
    pics.
    Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
    delicate sensibilities from reality?
    Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
    him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
    while Vice-President. OOps!

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 22 00:34:44 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
    ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
    a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
    nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
    emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
    receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
    been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.


    We need something similar to the Siberian Traps, to show up, to show us
    how insignificant we are...or perhaps a few nukes going off might do it. Monitor Yellowstone and current events. Nothing else, climate related,
    matters.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 11:35:02 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 00:23:16 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
    Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
    repeated and confirmed all that time.


    Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly >debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
    Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
    never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a >crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
    pics.
    Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
    delicate sensibilities from reality?
    Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
    him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
    while Vice-President. OOps!

    I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. Trump/Russia collusion, I
    don't know. I find it a worry that Trump admires Putin. That would be
    like Roosevelt admiring Hitler.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 00:40:55 2024
    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 11:58:44 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 00:40:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
    focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
    "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
    world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

    In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
    power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Feb 21 19:50:57 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
    Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
    repeated and confirmed all that time.


    Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
    Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
    never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
    pics.
    Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
    delicate sensibilities from reality?
    Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
    him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
    while Vice-President. OOps!


    Is it true that biden is the one busing illegal immigrants to cities?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Feb 21 19:54:49 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
    focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
    "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
    world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.


    Come november, it will swing to the far far right, and we may have our
    first dictator back in office.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 05:56:31 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 00:40:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

    In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
    power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.


    In all Western countries. To the right of you does not constitute the
    right. Perhaps Hungary, but I never considered Hungary as Western
    European. Countries, not affiliated with the West, could give a crap
    for our nonsense notions but give a thumbs up until they can take over.
    Did you not know that?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 17:13:41 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 05:56:31 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
    power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.

    In all Western countries. To the right of you does not constitute the
    right. Perhaps Hungary, but I never considered Hungary as Western
    European. Countries, not affiliated with the West, could give a crap
    for our nonsense notions but give a thumbs up until they can take over.
    Did you not know that?

    The Dutch PM since 2010 (14 years!) is a member of the most right-wing mainstream party in the country. The UK has Sunak and before him Boris
    Johnson, Theresa May and David Cameron, all Conservative Party. Italy
    has Meloni, who's so right-wing people were worrying, Macron's a bit
    less clear. The US had Trump until a few years ago and might get him
    back soon. (Poor Ukraine.) Right-wing is very much in fashion.

    When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
    least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
    the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 07:26:56 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
    least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
    the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.


    When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
    the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition depot with union labor.
    Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
    was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds.
    Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.




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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 07:53:09 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
    the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
    right:
    <https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>

    I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
    a party that was one step less left-wing.


    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
    PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 18:38:13 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:26:56 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
    least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
    the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.


    When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
    the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition >depot with union labor.
    Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
    was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds. >Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.

    Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
    the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
    right: <https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>

    I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
    a party that was one step less left-wing.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 08:32:57 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
    PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

    It says:

    "PSP
    DISARMING"

    PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.


    No! PSP stands for "naked babe". What young man wouldn't vote for that?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 19:15:49 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
    the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
    right: >><https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>

    I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
    a party that was one step less left-wing.


    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
    PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

    It says:

    "PSP
    DISARMING"

    PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Feb 22 20:03:54 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 08:32:57 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote >>>PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

    It says:

    "PSP
    DISARMING"

    PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.


    No! PSP stands for "naked babe". What young man wouldn't vote for that?

    LOL

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 10:23:29 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
    focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
    "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
    world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.


    True. I am worried about over reactions to the far right. Nationalists in europe are gaining due to the enormous current left swing, and even if I'm economically right, I don't want nazis going crazy on the streets. But
    yes, currently europe is way, way too far to the left. Let's see after the election to the european parliament in june if the pendulum will start to
    shift back.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Feb 22 10:29:18 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality >>> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator >>> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only >>> focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just >>> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp >>> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >>> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the >>> world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.


    Come november, it will swing to the far far right, and we may have our first dictator back in office.

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or
    two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the
    west dismantled all their industry.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 10:27:05 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On 22 Feb 2024 00:40:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality >>> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator >>> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only >>> focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just >>> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp >>> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >>> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the >>> world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

    In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
    power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.


    That is due to the reaction to the leftism the past decade or two. France
    I would not categorize a right-wing. France is center/left. Marine Le Pen
    is trying but has not yet succeeded.

    UK is not right-wing, it's the good old leftist "right" of europe that can
    only be called "right" in europe. By american standards UK is thoroughly democrat.

    Italy is a recent swing.

    Hungary you are right. They have been right/nationalist for a decade I
    think, if not more.

    Poland shifted from right/nationalist to center recently.

    An important test for the swing of the pendulum will be the elections to
    the european parliament. The left is getting so nervous that you are
    starting to see (at least in my country) weird coalitions between
    socialists and center (which in europe is called "right") parties to try
    and stop the right/nationalists from gaining ground.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 20:28:30 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:23:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality >>> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator >>> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only >>> focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just >>> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp >>> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >>> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the >>> world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.


    True. I am worried about over reactions to the far right. Nationalists in >europe are gaining due to the enormous current left swing

    What left swing in Europe? There is no left swing. There's a right
    swing.

    , and even if I'm economically right, I don't want nazis going crazy on
    the streets.

    Don't vote for Trump then. Trump's a Nazi.

    But yes, currently europe is way, way too far to the left.

    No, genius, there has been a change to the right going on in Europe
    for years.

    Let's see after the election to the european parliament in june if the pendulum will start to
    shift back.

    You'd misunderstand and misinterpret the result. Back to Fox News with
    you.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 20:33:22 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:27:05 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
    power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.


    That is due to the reaction to the leftism the past decade or two. France
    I would not categorize a right-wing. France is center/left.

    Center/right.

    Marine Le Pen is trying but has not yet succeeded.

    UK is not right-wing, it's the good old leftist "right" of europe that can >only be called "right" in europe. By american standards UK is thoroughly >democrat.

    The US doesn't set the standard. The US is an extreme right-wing
    country.

    Italy is a recent swing.

    Hungary you are right. They have been right/nationalist for a decade I
    think, if not more.

    Poland shifted from right/nationalist to center recently.

    An important test for the swing of the pendulum will be the elections to
    the european parliament. The left is getting so nervous that you are
    starting to see (at least in my country) weird coalitions between
    socialists and center (which in europe is called "right") parties to try
    and stop the right/nationalists from gaining ground.

    What is your country?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 10:33:53 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
    least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
    the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.


    When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
    the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition depot with union labor.
    Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
    was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds. Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.

    Sounds like heaven! Based on what I've heard, seen and read, in sweden
    school is extremely politicized and extremely leftist. The children are inculcated with the values of socialism and this is why sweden of course
    has been in decline since after WW2.

    But things are slowly improving due to technology. I had a colleague who
    would not let her kids watch public television due to the indoctrination.
    She would hand pick childrens programs with good, traditional values for
    her children.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 20:35:39 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate >agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or
    two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and grandchildren?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Feb 22 20:49:08 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:43:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 10:33:04 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
    PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

    It says:

    "PSP
    DISARMING"

    PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.
    No! PSP stands for "naked babe". What young man wouldn't vote for that?

    Speaking of which, we went to visit our neighbor, who was in a terrible accident, in the hospital yesterday. She got hit by a truck nearly a month ago. I was expecting the worst. What I wasn't expecting is that she looked pretty good. She did a head
    plant onto the rough Hawaiian asphalt. She doesn't remember a thing about the accident and she's having a problem with her short-term memory. My guess is that there's a good chance for her to have some personality changes. Hopefully, they'll be minor.
    The part of her legs that wasn't bandaged looked pretty healthy with good color and no discolorations. Strangely enough, they looked tanned. She's got a bunch of stitches somewhere but I didn't see any. She's a modest Christian lady and typically wears
    muumuus. I was quite taken by her good looking gams. Hopefully, nobody in the room noticed me gawking at them. Am I a bad person?

    What are gams? Legs? Maybe next time you should only visit this
    Christian lady in the company of your wife. Just to avoid any
    potential escalation.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 20:40:49 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:33:53 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
    least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
    the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.


    When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
    the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition >> depot with union labor.
    Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
    was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds.
    Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.

    Sounds like heaven! Based on what I've heard, seen and read, in sweden
    school is extremely politicized and extremely leftist. The children are >inculcated with the values of socialism and this is why sweden of course
    has been in decline since after WW2.

    LOL, you're a simpleton.

    But things are slowly improving due to technology. I had a colleague who >would not let her kids watch public television due to the indoctrination.
    She would hand pick childrens programs with good, traditional values for
    her children.

    Little House on the Prairie, yay!

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 10:26:09 2024
    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 10:20:55 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
    Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
    repeated and confirmed all that time.


    Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly debunked.

    I reckon Russia didn't need cooperation from the Trump campaign to
    interfere in our election. Still the optics of "Russia, are you
    listening?" are just terrible.

    That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
    Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy?

    I think Hunter's laptop passed through so many hands it's useless
    as evidence of anything.

    I'm told [and have
    never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
    pics.

    So? A lot of people do illegal things.

    Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
    delicate sensibilities from reality?

    I don't look for pictures of Hunter. I don't swing that way. I
    don't watch any form of news; I read it.

    Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
    him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
    while Vice-President. OOps!

    The Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt. I'd brag about getting him
    fired, too.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 10:21:53 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    But I think one of the following will happen:

    1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
    of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
    policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
    who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
    punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
    focusing on industry.

    2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
    sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
    "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
    on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
    politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

    3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them >> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
    world will move on.

    Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
    hope for a combination of 2 and 3.


    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Thu Feb 22 21:28:50 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:20:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
    him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
    while Vice-President. OOps!

    The Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt. I'd brag about getting him
    fired, too.

    Before this war started 2 years ago, there was talk and maybe even
    preparations for Ukraine to join the EU. Opponents were against the
    idea because Ukraine was even more corrupt than Russia, they said.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Thu Feb 22 21:33:55 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:21:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
    middle.

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just >center-right and far-right.

    That's true. The thing is that Leo's so right-wing that he finds the
    Republican party too left-wing.

    When one's THAT right-wing what are one's ideas? No right to vote for
    women? Blacks in the back of the bus? No abortion under any
    circumstance? No welfare allowances for anybody? Close all homeless
    shelters? It's hard to imagine.

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  • From Gary@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Feb 22 07:38:06 2024
    On 2/22/2024 3:32 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
    PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

    It says:

    "PSP
    DISARMING"

    PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.


    No! PSP stands for "naked babe". What young man wouldn't vote for that?

    That naked "babe" probably calls herself a "man" now. It's trending.

    PSP stands for Paint Shop Pro here. It's my favorite graphics program. :)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 14:50:06 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the
    expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or
    two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the
    west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 22 14:53:47 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 09:42:14 2024
    On 2/22/2024 4:29 AM, D wrote:



    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    Thanks for that. Always good to start the day with a laugh.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 15:28:38 2024
    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    All you have to do is look at his actions and listen to his words.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 15:30:16 2024
    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or >>> two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >>> west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and
    grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Feb 22 17:37:25 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/22/2024 4:29 AM, D wrote:



    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    Thanks for that. Always good to start the day with a laugh.

    Yes, Trump does spread the gospel of joy and good news! =) I always smile
    as well when I see the leader! ;)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 22 17:39:34 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    All you have to do is look at his actions and listen to his words.

    That goes for any politician. When it comes to his words it is more about understanding them than listening to them. But I'll grant you this much...
    if you like the standard, boring, bureaucrat politician with 100%
    political correctness, I can understand why you do not understand him.

    I loathe the standardized bureaucrat politician, so for me Trump both
    makes sense and revitalizes public discourse with fellow politicians and journalists.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 22 17:40:39 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or >>>> two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >>>> west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and
    grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >> freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    Science and the markets will solve that. Didn't we have a km long thread
    about oil here? Or was that another group?

    Regardless, peak oil has been fretted over for 100 years, and will be
    fretted over atleast 50-100 years more without any problems to you and me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 23 04:28:17 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:37:25 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/22/2024 4:29 AM, D wrote:



    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    Thanks for that. Always good to start the day with a laugh.

    Yes, Trump does spread the gospel of joy and good news! =) I always smile
    as well when I see the leader! ;)

    So what's your country or is that a secret?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 23 04:25:47 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or >>> two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >>> west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and
    grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by >politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >freedom.

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad flooding
    here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the government had been
    tinkering with the weather, causing the flooding, to flush all the
    independent thinkers out of the hills, into the city, where they're
    easier to control. Right :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Fri Feb 23 04:32:57 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:30:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >> freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    Yes, it would be good to see those sheiks run out of money to the
    point that they start eating their towels.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 22 21:18:06 2024
    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate >>>>> agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>>>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or >>>>> two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >>>>> west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and >>>> grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >>> freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    Science and the markets will solve that. Didn't we have a km long thread about oil here? Or was that another group?

    Regardless, peak oil has been fretted over for 100 years, and will be
    fretted over atleast 50-100 years more without any problems to you and me.

    You don't want to see the House of Saud doomed to penury?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 23:04:30 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate
    agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or >>>> two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the >>>> west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and
    grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >> freedom.

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad flooding
    here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the government had been
    tinkering with the weather, causing the flooding, to flush all the independent thinkers out of the hills, into the city, where they're
    easier to control. Right :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    No, most scientists I've spoken with are actually more angry at being
    misquoted and being used to stir up hysteria, so I'd say the naive masses
    and most politicians.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 23:05:30 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:37:25 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/22/2024 4:29 AM, D wrote:



    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    Thanks for that. Always good to start the day with a laugh.

    Yes, Trump does spread the gospel of joy and good news! =) I always smile
    as well when I see the leader! ;)

    So what's your country or is that a secret?


    I'm swedish.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 23:06:16 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touch! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic egomaniac.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 22 23:07:09 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:30:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >>> freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    Yes, it would be good to see those sheiks run out of money to the
    point that they start eating their towels.


    No complaints there. I agree.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Feb 22 23:08:21 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:


    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:29:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>> country.

    The most important thing to me is that the US leaves all the climate >>>>>> agreements so that china and india cannot keep using that to grow at the >>>>>> expense of the western world. If that does not happen, in a generation or
    two everyone will bow to chinese supremacy since everyone gullible in the
    west dismantled all their industry.

    Strange that right-wingers always want to destroy the planet even
    faster then we're already destroying it. Don't y'all have children and >>>>> grandchildren?

    There is no global warming dooms day. That is a myth fabricated by
    politicians to make the population afraid and to make them give away their >>>> freedom.

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>>> destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>>> markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Look, D. Regardless of whether climate change is anthropogenic,
    we're going to run out of oil someday.

    I'd rather we boot up its replacement sooner rather than later.
    Plus, it would be a terrific black eye for OPEC. I'd love to
    see the whole lot of them become irrelevant.

    Science and the markets will solve that. Didn't we have a km long thread
    about oil here? Or was that another group?

    Regardless, peak oil has been fretted over for 100 years, and will be
    fretted over atleast 50-100 years more without any problems to you and me.

    You don't want to see the House of Saud doomed to penury?



    Won't complain if that happens. But that won't happen for at least 50-100 years. I mean they are not stupid. Of course they are saving now to make
    their dynasty last "a thousand years" or so.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 23 10:10:00 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:05:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:37:25 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/22/2024 4:29 AM, D wrote:



    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    Thanks for that. Always good to start the day with a laugh.

    Yes, Trump does spread the gospel of joy and good news! =) I always smile >>> as well when I see the leader! ;)

    So what's your country or is that a secret?


    I'm swedish.

    Ok.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 23 10:09:35 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:04:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad flooding
    here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the government had been
    tinkering with the weather, causing the flooding, to flush all the
    independent thinkers out of the hills, into the city, where they're
    easier to control. Right :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    No, most scientists I've spoken with are actually more angry at being >misquoted and being used to stir up hysteria, so I'd say the naive masses
    and most politicians.

    Most scientists you've spoken... Ghe ghe.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 23 10:11:45 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a
    dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own
    country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of >intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic >egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 23 10:56:23 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:04:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad flooding
    here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the government had been
    tinkering with the weather, causing the flooding, to flush all the
    independent thinkers out of the hills, into the city, where they're
    easier to control. Right :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>>> destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>>> markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    No, most scientists I've spoken with are actually more angry at being
    misquoted and being used to stir up hysteria, so I'd say the naive masses
    and most politicians.

    Most scientists you've spoken... Ghe ghe.


    And do note that science is not a vote. That is also something which is completely lost to most people today.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 23 10:57:41 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>> country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of
    intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic
    egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.


    Did you ever meet Trump or do you base your views on his character on what
    you seen on the news?

    I like Trumps character more than Biden, and would rather have Mickey
    Mouse than Biden as the president. I think Mickey Mouse shows solid
    character and has sound family values.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 23 10:25:52 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>> country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of >>intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic >>egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.

    If he hadn't been born rich, he'd be the finest used car salesman
    in Queens.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Feb 23 12:58:21 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>>> country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of
    intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic >>> egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a
    McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.

    If he hadn't been born rich, he'd be the finest used car salesman
    in Queens.

    Didn't know Mickey Mouse was born in Queens!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 07:50:17 2024
    On 2024-02-23 2:57 a.m., D wrote:


    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>>> country.

    You're deluded.  Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of
    intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic >>> egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a
    McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.


    Did you ever meet Trump or do you base your views on his character on
    what you seen on the news?

    I like Trumps character more than Biden, and would rather have Mickey
    Mouse than Biden as the president. I think Mickey Mouse shows solid
    character and has sound family values.
    That tells me enough about YOUR character.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 07:49:00 2024
    On 2024-02-23 2:56 a.m., D wrote:


    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:04:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad
    flooding here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the
    government had been tinkering with the weather, causing the
    flooding, to flush all the independent thinkers out of the
    hills, into the city, where they're easier to control. Right
    :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not
    destryoing the planet. Changes in climate have always
    happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change
    our ways. We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up
    the place! It's our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate
    hysterics want to destroy civilization by increased infant
    mortality, crashing financial markets and stop scientific
    progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    No, most scientists I've spoken with are actually more angry at
    being misquoted and being used to stir up hysteria, so I'd say
    the naive masses and most politicians.

    Most scientists you've spoken... Ghe ghe.


    And do note that science is not a vote. That is also something which
    is completely lost to most people today.
    Especially in Florida: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/florida-surgeon-general-defies-science-amid-measles-outbreak/ar-BB1iJJOI

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Feb 23 09:59:45 2024
    On 2/23/2024 9:49 AM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-23 2:56 a.m., D wrote:


    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:04:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Ah, conspiracy theories! A few years ago, there was a bad
    flooding here. Overwhelmed people like you said that the
    government had been tinkering with the weather, causing the
    flooding, to flush all the independent thinkers out of the
    hills, into the city, where they're easier to control. Right
    :)

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not
    destryoing the planet. Changes in climate have always
    happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change
    our ways. We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up
    the place! It's our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate
    hysterics want to destroy civilization by increased infant
    mortality, crashing financial markets and stop scientific
    progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    No, most scientists I've spoken with are actually more angry at
    being misquoted and being used to stir up hysteria, so I'd say
    the naive masses and most politicians.

    Most scientists you've spoken... Ghe ghe.


    And do note that science is not a vote. That is also something which
    is completely lost to most people today.
    Especially in Florida: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/florida-surgeon-general-defies-science-amid-measles-outbreak/ar-BB1iJJOI

    He is a genuine NUT JOB hand picked by the dictator/governor.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sat Feb 24 02:41:49 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:25:52 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:06:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:53:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I'm not american but I'm pro Trump. I do not think you will have a >>>>>>> dictator, but a strong and principled leader who focuses on his own >>>>>>> country.

    You're deluded. Trump focuses on Trump.

    No I think you are deluded.

    People with normal intelligence know after 5 minutes that Trump's a
    moronic egomaniac.

    Touché! No, actually what I found out is that people with some kind of >>>intelligence at all, know after 5 minutes that Biden is a senile moronic >>>egomaniac.

    He's too old, but if he can beat Trump I'd vote for him if I was
    American. If Mickey Mouse can beat Trump, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
    With a character like Trump's, you shouldn't even be the manager of a
    McDonald's, let alone of a superpower.

    If he hadn't been born rich, he'd be the finest used car salesman
    in Queens.

    Yes, although I think I'd go to the competition.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Feb 23 22:55:26 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the >>planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science. You still
    can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the
    equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Feb 23 22:57:53 2024
    On 2024-02-23, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the >>>planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>>destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>>markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science.

    Why is 1970 the watershed year?

    You still
    can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.


    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Feb 23 23:09:47 2024
    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city. Believe what you see, not what you're
    told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    Ain't politics fun? ;)

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Feb 23 16:15:01 2024
    On 2024-02-23 3:55 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.

    That's the favourite phrase of purveyors of acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropractic, naturopathy and other quackery use.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 24 00:07:50 2024
    On 2024-02-23, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-23, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science.

    Why is 1970 the watershed year?


    Actually it was the early Seventies. I haven't bothered to look up the
    year. That's when some "scientist" genius produced the evil of chlorofluorocarbons and created "global cooling". Politicians took note
    and junk science flourished from then on. Oh, and meteorologists started calling themselves climatologists, because that's where the money was.
    I *do* know that no politics were discussed in any of my chemistry
    courses in the Sixties. I graduated in January of '69.
    Remember, I lost my job as an aerosol chemist to that clown belief, so I
    have skin _and_ animosity in the game.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Feb 24 00:09:13 2024
    On 2024-02-23, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-23 3:55 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.

    That's the favourite phrase of purveyors of acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropractic, naturopathy and other quackery use.

    Agreed.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sat Feb 24 11:48:59 2024
    On 23 Feb 2024 23:09:47 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with >violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city. Believe what you see, not what you're >told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    Ain't politics fun? ;)

    Think! Think harder!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 12:09:33 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to
    destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial
    markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science. You still
    can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.


    Let me add to this, that of the scientists with the least degree of belief
    in doomsday scenarios, most tend to be engineers. The ones who are most pro-dooms day are gender-scientists, social scientists, eco scientists
    etc. with very little knowledge about physics and math.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 12:12:49 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On 23 Feb 2024 22:55:26 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>>> destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>>> markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?

    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science. You still
    can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the
    equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.

    Trump zombies don't trust science and don't believe in facts, I know.
    They live in a reality of their own making.


    Why do you call him Trump zombie? He did not call you a Biden zombie.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 10:36:11 2024
    In article <l3sm2uF2o0oU5@mid.individual.net>,
    leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the >>planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.

    I'd like you to provide a credible source of your
    claim.

    Janet UK

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 06:46:59 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On 23 Feb 2024 23:09:47 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with >>violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city. Believe what you see, not what you're >>told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    Ain't politics fun? ;)

    Think! Think harder!

    leo keeps his thermometer in the freezer.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 11:28:55 2024
    On 2024-02-23, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with violence, anywhere they're needed.

    Best hide under the bed, then.

    Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city.

    Can you name a major Republican city where law and order are not
    breaking down? Crime follows population concentrations.

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Believe what you see, not what you're
    told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    You're the one who introduced talk of crime. I rarely think of it,
    although you seem to dwell on it. It's not your fault, Leo. It's
    the way your brain is constructed.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 11:20:02 2024
    On 2024-02-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-23, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-23, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science.

    Why is 1970 the watershed year?


    Actually it was the early Seventies. I haven't bothered to look up the
    year. That's when some "scientist" genius produced the evil of chlorofluorocarbons and created "global cooling". Politicians took note

    Chlorofluorocarbons have more problems than their atmospheric effects,
    as I'm sure you know.

    You can tell organic chemists. They wash their hands _before_ they
    use the bathroom.

    and junk science flourished from then on. Oh, and meteorologists started calling themselves climatologists,

    Climatology and meteorology are separate disciplines.

    because that's where the money was.
    I *do* know that no politics were discussed in any of my chemistry
    courses in the Sixties.

    Perhaps it should have been. The land, air, and water were considerably degraded at that time. Can I interest you in a nice buildable lot
    on Love Canal?

    I graduated in January of '69.
    Remember, I lost my job as an aerosol chemist to that clown belief, so I
    have skin _and_ animosity in the game.

    Yes, it's a terrible tragedy for all of us to have to use a pump
    spray to spritz on our hairspray. (And you know I'm exaggerating
    for effect, here.)

    When did you lose that job? 40-50 years ago? Let it go, man.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 14:05:52 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote :

    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city.

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.

    --
    Procrastination . . .
    is the key to flexibility.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Feb 24 11:48:40 2024
    On 2024-02-24 5:36 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <l3sm2uF2o0oU5@mid.individual.net>,
    leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...

    On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:50:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, I don't want to destroy the planet, but we are not destryoing the
    planet. Changes in climate have always happened and are natural.

    Good forbid that it's our fault and that we'd have to change our ways.
    We can't have that! We want to continue stinking up the place! It's
    our right!

    I could reverse the accusations and say that climate hysterics want to >>>> destroy civilization by increased infant mortality, crashing financial >>>> markets and stop scientific progress.

    But I won't.

    Climate hysterics... you mean 95% of the world's scientists?


    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.

    I'd like you to provide a credible source of your
    claim.


    He who pays the piper calls the tune. I don't think there is any doubt
    that those handing out research grant money have their own agenda. In
    these days of political correctness and woke there are some things that
    just would not every be funded by the major funding organizations.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Feb 25 04:11:29 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science. You still
    can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the
    equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.


    Let me add to this, that of the scientists with the least degree of belief
    in doomsday scenarios, most tend to be engineers. The ones who are most >pro-dooms day are gender-scientists, social scientists, eco scientists
    etc. with very little knowledge about physics and math.

    Leo and "D", two peas in a Fox News pod.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Feb 25 04:14:06 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:12:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Trump zombies don't trust science and don't believe in facts, I know.
    They live in a reality of their own making.

    Why do you call him Trump zombie? He did not call you a Biden zombie.

    Trump followers are zombies. The Zombie Apocalypse has started in the
    US. <https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/17/19/CAPITOLIO-ASALTANTE-SENTENCIA_12846.jpg?quality=75&width=990&crop=3%3A2%2Csmart&auto=webp>

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sat Feb 24 18:01:18 2024
    heyjoe wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote :

    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with
    violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city.

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.


    Yup, it looks to be quite the "weenie roast", I'll be dragging out a lawnchair, pouring
    a big fat martini, popping a giant bowl 'o popcorn, and laffing at all of the leftist antics...

    Chicago is already a foetid mess, and this will just ensure the stench is intensified...

    OH, look, this just came in over the wire:

    https://abc7chicago.com/dnc-2024-chicago-democratic-national-convention-dhs-security-threats/14462581/

    Internal DHS analysis warns of threats posed against 2024 Democratic National Convention in Chicago

    "CHICAGO (WLS) -- A new warning from Homeland Security officials centers around a major event in Chicago this summer: the Democratic National Convention.

    The party nominating convention will be wrapped up exactly six months from Friday, and there are deep concerns about how the city will weather the four-day event, and a gathering storm of threats that law enforcement is monitoring...

    "The threat environment is the most complex, dynamic, and quite frankly, dangerous that I've seen, in the 40-plus years that I've been involved in law enforcement and Homeland Security," Cohen told the ABC7 I-Team.

    Cohen explained that law enforcement on all fronts, local, state and federal, are preparing for all possibilities, including a "nightmare scenario."

    "A scenario in which a physical attack would be conducted, and at the same time, you would see a cyber-attack potentially targeting the 911 center or the communications capability of area law enforcement, along with other activities that draw resources
    away from the point of the attack," Cohen explained..."

    --
    GM

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 19:43:45 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city. Believe what you see, not what you're told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    Ain't politics fun? ;)


    Throughout the Middle East, there are these large mounds, large hills, that rise above the landscape. They are called Tells, “an artificial topographical feature, a mound consisting of the accumulated and stratified debris of a succession of
    consecutive settlements at the same site, the refuse of generations of people who built and inhabited them and natural sediment.”...

    Archeologists start digging into these tells and they find ancient civilizations, often that no one remembers, that no one has remembered for thousands of years. This is how the capital of the Hittites, Hattusa, was discovered; outside of a few honorable
    mentions in the Bible, they had all but been forgotten...

    That’s us. There is no fixing this. You have a short life here on this planet and you make do with what you have. The USA is in a state in decline, a doom loop, and there’s nothing you or I can do about it. The Democrats are aiming for a progressive
    utopia, and as part of "building" that utopia, they are tearing this country down right to the foundations...

    The vile alliance between the deep state and tech platforms, combined with mainstream media’s corruption, have left most of the public entirely unaware of how deeply US democracy has been undermined, and how corrupt the progressive establishment is...

    --
    GM

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  • From George Sulzbach@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 15:03:04 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:12:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Trump zombies don't trust science and don't believe in facts, I know.
    They live in a reality of their own making.

    Why do you call him Trump zombie? He did not call you a Biden zombie.

    Trump followers are zombies. The Zombie Apocalypse has started in the
    US. <https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/17/19/CAPITOLIO-ASALTANTE-SENTENCIA_12846.jpg?quality=75&width=990&crop=3%3A2%2Csmart&auto=webp>


    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sat Feb 24 21:04:37 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote :

    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with
    violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city.

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.



    Isn't it customary for big money to support both candidates?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 21:05:45 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:09:33 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    95% of the world's scientists depend upon government grants for their
    research. Government grants come with strings attached that benefit
    government assertions.
    You may want to research my claim. It may only be 90%.
    Back in the olden days, pre-1970, you could depend on science. You still >>> can with repeatable physics and chemistry. Prognostication enters the
    equation, and forget about it.
    "Studies show..." is the most junk remark uttered by the news.


    Let me add to this, that of the scientists with the least degree of belief >> in doomsday scenarios, most tend to be engineers. The ones who are most
    pro-dooms day are gender-scientists, social scientists, eco scientists
    etc. with very little knowledge about physics and math.

    Leo and "D", two peas in a Fox News pod.


    Thank you for the valuable contribution. That is noted!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 21:08:59 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, GM wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-22, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Dear God, Leo. There's precious little far left in the U.S. Just
    center-right and far-right.


    And yet the left has their own brown shirts, ready to protest, even with
    violence, anywhere they're needed. Law and order is obviously breaking
    down in every major Democrat city. Believe what you see, not what you're
    told.
    Yet, it's our fault?

    Ain't politics fun? ;)


    Throughout the Middle East, there are these large mounds, large hills, that rise above the landscape. They are called Tells, “an artificial topographical
    feature, a mound consisting of the accumulated and stratified debris of a succession of consecutive settlements at the same site, the refuse of generations of people who built and inhabited them and natural sediment.”...

    Archeologists start digging into these tells and they find ancient civilizations, often that no one remembers, that no one has remembered for thousands of years. This is how the capital of the Hittites, Hattusa, was discovered; outside of a few honorable mentions in the Bible, they had all but been forgotten...

    That’s us. There is no fixing this. You have a short life here on this planet
    and you make do with what you have. The USA is in a state in decline, a doom loop, and there’s nothing you or I can do about it. The Democrats are aiming
    for a progressive utopia, and as part of "building" that utopia, they are tearing this country down right to the foundations...

    The vile alliance between the deep state and tech platforms, combined with mainstream media’s corruption, have left most of the public entirely unaware
    of how deeply US democracy has been undermined, and how corrupt the progressive establishment is...

    This is very worrying since the US is the global guarantee for peace and freedom. Don't you see any way out of this?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to g.sulzbach@myplace.net on Sun Feb 25 07:20:24 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:12:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Trump zombies don't trust science and don't believe in facts, I know.
    They live in a reality of their own making.

    Why do you call him Trump zombie? He did not call you a Biden zombie.

    Trump followers are zombies. The Zombie Apocalypse has started in the
    US.
    <https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/17/19/CAPITOLIO-ASALTANTE-SENTENCIA_12846.jpg?quality=75&width=990&crop=3%3A2%2Csmart&auto=webp>

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?

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  • From George Sulzbach@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 15:28:37 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:12:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    Trump zombies don't trust science and don't believe in facts, I know. >>>>> They live in a reality of their own making.

    Why do you call him Trump zombie? He did not call you a Biden zombie.

    Trump followers are zombies. The Zombie Apocalypse has started in the
    US.
    <https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/17/19/CAPITOLIO-ASALTANTE-SENTENCIA_12846.jpg?quality=75&width=990&crop=3%3A2%2Csmart&auto=webp>

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?


    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to g.sulzbach@myplace.net on Sun Feb 25 07:39:39 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 21:02:53 2024
    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From George Sulzbach@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 15:49:53 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?


    I think you already know no one really knows what might
    happen if the Orange man is in charge again, I'm just
    paraphrasing what he said is *part* of his plan.

    There's very many white American people that agree with
    *some* of what he says.

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to g.sulzbach@myplace.net on Sun Feb 25 08:09:18 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:49:53 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    I think you already know no one really knows what might
    happen if the Orange man is in charge again, I'm just
    paraphrasing what he said is *part* of his plan.

    There's very many white American people that agree with
    *some* of what he says.

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

    A lying criminal? Oh wait, you're another candidate for the Fox News
    Award.

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sun Feb 25 08:10:42 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach >><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

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  • From George Sulzbach@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 16:17:27 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:49:53 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    I think you already know no one really knows what might
    happen if the Orange man is in charge again, I'm just
    paraphrasing what he said is *part* of his plan.

    There's very many white American people that agree with
    *some* of what he says.

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

    A lying criminal? Oh wait, you're another candidate for the Fox News
    Award.


    I was describing the Orange man, not Biden. I should have added
    old to the lying criminal reference, my bad, they're both old
    fucks.


    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?


    You'd sure think so, and having Kamala one heart beat away from
    being in charge isn't exactly comforting to some folks.

    When you think about it, when was the last time you really
    endorsed a politician, I mean put on the bumper sticker
    kind of guy?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to g.sulzbach@myplace.net on Sun Feb 25 08:51:39 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 16:17:27 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:49:53 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

    A lying criminal? Oh wait, you're another candidate for the Fox News
    Award.

    I was describing the Orange man, not Biden. I should have added
    old to the lying criminal reference, my bad, they're both old
    fucks.

    Oh, sorry.

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best
    candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    You'd sure think so, and having Kamala one heart beat away from
    being in charge isn't exactly comforting to some folks.

    There must have been someone safer, more middle of the road. Buttigieg
    perhaps, but maybe the US can't handle a gay president yet. You don't
    want to lose 15% of potential votes to homophobia.

    When you think about it, when was the last time you really
    endorsed a politician, I mean put on the bumper sticker
    kind of guy?

    I think I'd have to go back to the late 70s.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sat Feb 24 17:57:04 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach >><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:03:04 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    You may need to start wondering if the Orange man
    likes Aussie people, or not.

    Why does that matter?

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    I agree whole heartedly but was stunned to hear even him compare
    himself with Alexe Navalgny - he wouldn't be worth even a toe nail
    clipping from Navalgny.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Feb 25 09:00:24 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 17:57:04 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    I agree whole heartedly but was stunned to hear even him compare
    himself with Alexe Navalgny - he wouldn't be worth even a toe nail
    clipping from Navalgny.

    Unfortunately, most Trump zombies probably don't know who Navalny is,
    so they won't realise how insane that statement is.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 17:58:31 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 08:09:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:49:53 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    I think you already know no one really knows what might
    happen if the Orange man is in charge again, I'm just
    paraphrasing what he said is *part* of his plan.

    There's very many white American people that agree with
    *some* of what he says.

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

    A lying criminal? Oh wait, you're another candidate for the Fox News
    Award.

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best >candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    I had hoped when Biden was elected he intended to groom Kamala for
    this election, but I guess not. He has kept her in obscurity.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 24 22:02:11 2024
    On 2024-02-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Isn't it amazing how statistics can be manipulated by altering the
    criteria of what constitutes a crime? Your politicians need you to
    believe that they're doing great. They aren't.

    You're the one who introduced talk of crime. I rarely think of it,
    although you seem to dwell on it. It's not your fault, Leo. It's
    the way your brain is constructed.

    Probably. The first concept of government is to protect those governed.
    That's how one knows how they're doing. Not too good by my reckoning.
    Have you learned Spanish yet?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sat Feb 24 22:10:32 2024
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.


    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there
    aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 17:21:30 2024
    On 2/24/2024 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    Talking with a friend this morning, we discussed that. What makes some
    people so attractive to others? What charisma do they have?

    Not just politicians, the news had Joel Osteen on about the shooting at
    his church. He creeps me out just looking at him but people donate lots
    of money to him.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Feb 24 22:28:37 2024
    On 2024-02-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:


    Leo and "D", two peas in a Fox News pod.

    Thank you for the valuable contribution. That is noted!


    Welcome to the "Pod", D. You'll notice that the furniture is exquisite
    and our menu is top of the line. Here's your membership card to the cognoscenti. You've earned it. ;)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Feb 24 17:17:46 2024
    On 2/24/2024 4:58 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 08:09:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:



    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best
    candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    I had hoped when Biden was elected he intended to groom Kamala for
    this election, but I guess not. He has kept her in obscurity.

    That may be the best thing to do. She has never impressed me. He could
    have done better.

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for. Healy may be the best of the pathetic bunch.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 22:26:29 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Isn't it amazing how statistics can be manipulated by altering the
    criteria of what constitutes a crime? Your politicians need you to
    believe that they're doing great. They aren't.

    You're the one who introduced talk of crime. I rarely think of it,
    although you seem to dwell on it. It's not your fault, Leo. It's
    the way your brain is constructed.

    Probably. The first concept of government is to protect those governed. That's how one knows how they're doing. Not too good by my reckoning.
    Have you learned Spanish yet?


    Cindy is "prevaricating", she might as well have said:

    "Incidentally, the indidence of cholera is considerably down since 1900..."

    People aren't looking at the crime rate a generation ago, they are looking primarily at the
    pre - Covid crime rate and it's rise since then, that *directly* affects them. An article with some stats:

    "Despite the 13% drop in homicides, Chicago’s major crimes jumped by a total of 16% in 2023... Robberies were up 23%. Aggravated batteries, up 6%. Thefts and criminal sexual assaults were both up 3% each. And motor vehicle thefts spiked by 37% to
    reach a total of nearly 30,000 car thefts. And all that was after major crimes had already jumped 40% between 2022 and 2021..."


    Chicago led nation in homicides for 12th year in a row in 2023, murder rate still 5 times higher than NYC’s – Wirepoints

    https://wirepoints.org/chicago-led-nation-in-homicides-for-12th-year-in-a-row-in-2023-murder-rate-still-5-times-higher-than-nycs-wirepoints/

    January 3, 2024

    "Count on hearing repeatedly this year from Chicago’s leadership that it successfully brought down the city’s murder total by 13% in 2023. Chicago finished the year with 617 homicides, down from 709 in 2022. That’s 92 fewer murders and good news...


    But what you’re unlikely to hear are five additional facts that would temper any optimism gained from that first fact:

    1. Murders across the country fell at record levels in 2023. Overall, homicides nationally are expected to drop 13%, about the same as in Chicago. And murders in other big homicide hotspots like Philadelphia, Baltimore and New Orleans fell by 21 to 31%.
    Most big cities had bigger percentage drops than Chicago did.

    Below we lay out the 2023 data for the 10 homicide hubs in 2022, those cities with the largest number of murders in the country in 2022...


    2. Chicago’s 617 homicides swamp that of its two big-city peers. NYC, which has more than triple Chicago’s population, had just 386 murders in 2023. Los Angeles, with 1.2 million more people than Chicago, had just 328 murders.

    Chicago’s 617 homicides led the country for the 12th straight year...


    3. Chicago’s murder rate per 100,000 residents, while down slightly in 2023, was the 2nd-highest among the nation’s biggest cities. Overall, only Philadelphia had a worse murder rate than Chicago among peer cities with populations greater than 1.5
    million.

    And when it comes to New York City, Chicago’s murder rate remained 5 times higher. If Chicago had had the same murder rate as NYC’s, Chicago would have experienced only 121 murders in 2023, not 617...


    4. Chicago’s 617 murder total in 2023 was still up 23% when compared to pre-covid, pre-George Floyd 2019’s 500 murders.

    5. Despite the 13% drop in homicides, Chicago’s major crimes jumped by a total of 16% in 2023. Robberies were up 23%. Aggravated batteries, up 6%. Thefts and criminal sexual assaults were both up 3% each. And motor vehicle thefts spiked by 37% to reach
    a total of nearly 30,000 car thefts. And all that was after major crimes had already jumped 40% between 2022 and 2021...

    Expect all kinds of spin on Chicago’s crime numbers in 2024, especially in anticipation of the Democratic National Convention in August and elections in November.

    It’s why we created the Chicago Weekly Crime Tracker so you can easily see for yourself what’s happening across the city:

    https://wirepoints.org/chicago-weekly-crime-tracker/


    --
    GM

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 24 22:45:42 2024
    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach >>><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    They are poorly educated and self-centered. All they see is that
    he professes to hate the same people they hate. He holds out
    the promise of making life fair for them and unfair for others,
    without realizing he has no interest in doing so and could not
    manage it even if the wanted to.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 22:47:35 2024
    On 2024-02-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Isn't it amazing how statistics can be manipulated by altering the
    criteria of what constitutes a crime? Your politicians need you to
    believe that they're doing great. They aren't.

    You're the one who introduced talk of crime. I rarely think of it,
    although you seem to dwell on it. It's not your fault, Leo. It's
    the way your brain is constructed.

    Probably. The first concept of government is to protect those governed. That's how one knows how they're doing. Not too good by my reckoning.

    I am quite well protected. Aren't you?

    Have you learned Spanish yet?

    I think your question should be "Have you learned Arabic yet?"
    Most bilingual signage in southeast Michigan is English and Arabic.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Feb 25 10:20:49 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 17:21:30 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 2/24/2024 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    Talking with a friend this morning, we discussed that. What makes some >people so attractive to others? What charisma do they have?

    I think dumber voters like that Trump also sounds dumb. It means he's
    no threat to them. He thinks just like them.

    Not just politicians, the news had Joel Osteen on about the shooting at
    his church. He creeps me out just looking at him but people donate lots
    of money to him.

    I don't know him, but has he been botoxed? <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Joel_Osteen_Preaching_%28cropped%29.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Feb 25 10:17:35 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 17:58:31 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 08:09:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:49:53 -0500, George Sulzbach >><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Bruce wrote:

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    I think you already know no one really knows what might
    happen if the Orange man is in charge again, I'm just
    paraphrasing what he said is *part* of his plan.

    There's very many white American people that agree with
    *some* of what he says.

    I wish my choices were better than an old guy that seems
    to be somewhat of a puppet, and a lying criminal. :-)

    A lying criminal? Oh wait, you're another candidate for the Fox News
    Award.

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best >>candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    I had hoped when Biden was elected he intended to groom Kamala for
    this election, but I guess not. He has kept her in obscurity.

    Also, more conservative Democrats might find her scary because she has
    modern ideas. Modern ideas AND a woman is more than many men of a
    certain type can handle.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Feb 25 10:21:45 2024
    On 24 Feb 2024 22:28:37 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:


    Leo and "D", two peas in a Fox News pod.

    Thank you for the valuable contribution. That is noted!


    Welcome to the "Pod", D. You'll notice that the furniture is exquisite
    and our menu is top of the line. Here's your membership card to the >cognoscenti. You've earned it. ;)

    :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sun Feb 25 10:21:20 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:45:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach >>>><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    They are poorly educated and self-centered. All they see is that
    he professes to hate the same people they hate. He holds out
    the promise of making life fair for them and unfair for others,
    without realizing he has no interest in doing so and could not
    manage it even if the wanted to.

    Amen.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Sun Feb 25 10:22:30 2024
    On 24 Feb 2024 22:02:11 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Isn't it amazing how statistics can be manipulated by altering the
    criteria of what constitutes a crime? Your politicians need you to
    believe that they're doing great. They aren't.

    Leo will forever change or deny the facts until they fit his ideology.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sat Feb 24 19:15:35 2024
    On 2024-02-24 4:58 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 08:09:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best
    candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    I had hoped when Biden was elected he intended to groom Kamala for
    this election, but I guess not. He has kept her in obscurity.

    You're right. We haven't heard much about her. That should leave us
    wondering if it is because she hasn't stepped up to take on any major assignments, if Biden for one reason or another has not given her any
    extra assignments, of if the press has had so much fodder with Biden's
    senior moments that the press has lost interest in her. I don't know,
    but those are the possibilities that I see.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 24 18:47:47 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.


    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.


    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the
    last one.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Feb 24 18:39:11 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 2/24/2024 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach
    <g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    Talking with a friend this morning, we discussed that. What makes some people so attractive to others? What charisma do they have?

    Not just politicians, the news had Joel Osteen on about the shooting at his church. He creeps me out just looking at him but people donate lots of
    money to him.

    If trump auctioned off his used underwear, it would go for millions per
    pair. More with shit stains.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sat Feb 24 20:57:52 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:45:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:02:53 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:28:37 -0500, George Sulzbach >>>><g.sulzbach@myplace.net> wrote:

    Trump says if he's elected again the USA won't protect any
    Country that doesn't pay its military protection dues, as
    there are some delinquent accounts now.

    Are you folks current?

    Yes. But apart from that, what if the Baltic states are behind? Will
    the orange moron just give them to Putin? The UK's going through a
    recession. What if they're behind on their payments (which are not
    payments to the US, by the way)? Is Putin welcome to take it? Why
    weaken NATO by making such retarded statements?

    Because Trump does not give half a fuck for anybody but himself.

    Why is that obvious to you and me, but 50% of American voters can't
    see it?

    They are poorly educated and self-centered. All they see is that
    he professes to hate the same people they hate. He holds out
    the promise of making life fair for them and unfair for others,
    without realizing he has no interest in doing so and could not
    manage it even if the wanted to.

    A good summation :)

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Feb 25 09:56:37 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24 4:58 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 08:09:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>

    But I agree with you about one thing. Is old Joe Biden really the best
    candidate the Democrats could come up with? Of course, everybody's
    better than Trump, but they had years to find a fitter, younger
    Democrat. Was there nobody at all?

    I had hoped when Biden was elected he intended to groom Kamala for
    this election, but I guess not. He has kept her in obscurity.

    You're right. We haven't heard much about her. That should leave us
    wondering if it is because she hasn't stepped up to take on any major assignments, if Biden for one reason or another has not given her any
    extra assignments, of if the press has had so much fodder with Biden's
    senior moments that the press has lost interest in her. I don't know,
    but those are the possibilities that I see.

    In fact, he has been bringing her up to speed. Without fanfare,
    as he's done pretty much everything else while in office.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Feb 25 13:59:57 2024
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    --
    I meant to behave,
    but there were too many other options.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 03:32:09 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 13:59:57 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe <address@is.invalid>
    wrote:

    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    Severe inflation is world wide. But if you feel better having a
    scapegoat, enjoy!

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sun Feb 25 11:33:30 2024
    On 2/25/2024 8:59 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.


    So Biden controls Europe too? He must as they are having the same
    situation.

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 04:12:12 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 11:33:30 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 2/25/2024 8:59 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.


    So Biden controls Europe too? He must as they are having the same
    situation.

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    And even if it doesn't run out, it's dirty and needs to be replaced by something cleaner.

    "Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what works at the best
    price" basically means "Green is great, but if it's cheaper to
    continue destroying the planet, we'll do that!"

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Feb 25 18:32:02 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    Incidentally, crime is considerably down since 1990.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    Isn't it amazing how statistics can be manipulated by altering the
    criteria of what constitutes a crime? Your politicians need you to
    believe that they're doing great. They aren't.

    You're the one who introduced talk of crime. I rarely think of it,
    although you seem to dwell on it. It's not your fault, Leo. It's
    the way your brain is constructed.

    Probably. The first concept of government is to protect those governed. That's how one knows how they're doing. Not too good by my reckoning.
    Have you learned Spanish yet?

    Hey guys, on the very same page:

    " *Due to the FBI's transition to a new crime reporting system in 2021,
    only 11,794 of 18,806 law enforcement agencies in the U.S. reported crime
    data to the FBI in that year. For 2022, only 15,726 of 18,888
    participating law enforcement agencies submitted crime data. As a result, figures may not accurately reflect the total crime rate."

    Just wanted to let you know! ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Feb 25 18:33:57 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:


    Leo and "D", two peas in a Fox News pod.

    Thank you for the valuable contribution. That is noted!


    Welcome to the "Pod", D. You'll notice that the furniture is exquisite
    and our menu is top of the line. Here's your membership card to the cognoscenti. You've earned it. ;)


    Thank you Leo, much appreciated! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sun Feb 25 18:41:04 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.



    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Feb 25 18:39:36 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.


    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there
    aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.


    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the last one.




    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Feb 25 17:46:06 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Do you think trump will stage another coup?
    He probably learned from the last one.

    I expect he will use a code phrase with plausable deniability
    to tell his supporters to bring side arms to a demonstration.

    For him, a tweet like 'pieceful show of stregth' would be optimal,
    because in court he could say his spell-checker did it or that
    he was simply being wittily sarcastic.

    Then when the first one of his cult followers shows their piece
    and the National Guard opens up with automatic weapon fire,
    Trump can stoke the afterburners on his whining voice and
    do what only he can do best.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Feb 26 04:53:52 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:39:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to
    support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.

    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there
    aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the
    last one.

    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

    D's definition of a regular political meeting: <https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/new_project_-_2021-11-17t131531536_11172021>

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sun Feb 25 13:23:23 2024
    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Feb 25 20:03:01 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 13:59:57 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe <address@is.invalid>
    wrote:

    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020 >>Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    Severe inflation is world wide. But if you feel better having a
    scapegoat, enjoy!

    In fact, inflation in the U.S. has been lower than in many parts
    of the world.

    And for those who follow Wall Street rather than Main Street,
    the S&P 500 and Dow Jones reached record highs on Thursday.
    I should check my retirement funds. Ah, yes. My two-year
    return is 6%. Not bad, considering all the Sturm und Drang
    we had in 2022 when Comrade Putin started rolling into Ukraine.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Feb 25 20:04:12 2024
    On 2024-02-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 2/25/2024 8:59 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.


    So Biden controls Europe too? He must as they are having the same
    situation.

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    And don't forget the advantages to poking a stick in OPEC's
    collective eye.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Mon Feb 26 07:45:00 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 20:03:01 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-25, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 13:59:57 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe <address@is.invalid>
    wrote:

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020 >>>Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and >>>gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    Severe inflation is world wide. But if you feel better having a
    scapegoat, enjoy!

    In fact, inflation in the U.S. has been lower than in many parts
    of the world.

    Shows how lucky you are with Bidenomics. Keeps inflation in check. Way
    to go, Joe! :)

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sun Feb 25 15:27:20 2024
    On 2024-02-25 6:59 a.m., heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    It was Covid that fucked up the economies of every civilised nation**.
    Biden is NOT responsible for the price increases we see for just about everything.
    **(I sometimes have my doubts about whether the US is civilised)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Feb 26 11:53:39 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, songbird wrote:

    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible with
    todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not, it
    is horribly bad.

    I think a combination of nuclear for predictable base load, coupled with
    wind, solar both at a company level and individual level is the way to go.

    I think you also have geothermal in california, but I don't know if it is possible and financially meaningful to build out the capability.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 11:51:49 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:39:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to >>>>> support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.

    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there >>>> aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the >>> last one.

    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

    D's definition of a regular political meeting: <https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/new_project_-_2021-11-17t131531536_11172021>


    I don't know how old you are but put on your glasses. Donald Trump is not
    in that photo.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Feb 26 11:56:10 2024
    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-02-25 6:59 a.m., heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Sadly, there is no one from either party that I'd really want to vote
    for.

    Isn't that the truth! I do not want to see a replay of the 2020
    Presidential election. Unfortunately "none of the above" will not be
    on the ballot and choosing not to vote for President is a nonstarter.

    Personally, Bidenomics is killing my budget. Utilities, food and
    gasoline have increased every time I pay a bill and I blame Biden's
    war on fossil fuels as the cause. Energy drives our economy and
    personal comfort. Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    It was Covid that fucked up the economies of every civilised nation**.
    Biden is NOT responsible for the price increases we see for just about everything.
    **(I sometimes have my doubts about whether the US is civilised)

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets
    + massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result
    of this socialism.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 12:30:20 2024
    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:39:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to >>>>>> support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.

    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there >>>>> aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the >>>> last one.

    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

    D's definition of a regular political meeting:
    <https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/new_project_-_2021-11-17t131531536_11172021>


    I don't know how old you are but put on your glasses. Donald Trump is not
    in that photo.


    Lol...

    Isn't it "interesting" that no one in that picture has guns or other deadly weapons...

    Doesn't a "coup" involve an attempted takeover, *always* including weapons, violence, arson, threats of such, etc....???

    The guys in that picture look like they're at a Star Trek Convention...

    --
    GM

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 13:47:30 2024
    D wrote :

    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

    I'm not on Team Trump. Trump is not a nice person and should he be
    elected POTUS, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Even more
    handicapped than he was in his first term.

    Biden is a professional politician. We've already got waay too many
    of those in Washington, DC. Let Biden get out on the campaign trail,
    in front of voters, so they can judge for themselves whether or not
    he's still capable of being the leader of the US. That will not
    happen.

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    --
    I used to leave the grocery store with three bags.
    And now its two bags for the same amount of money.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 13:47:31 2024
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.

    --
    Fish gotta swim, trolls gotta troll.
    Troll feeders gotta keep on feeding those trolls.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 08:54:54 2024
    On 2/26/2024 5:53 AM, D wrote:



    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible with
    todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not, it
    is horribly bad.


    You say "today's technology" and that is correct. Tomorrow is a new
    story.

    https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/04/12/solar-energy-can-now-be-stored-for-up-to-18-years-say-scientists

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Mon Feb 26 09:05:57 2024
    On 2/26/2024 8:47 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.



    Sometimes the free market need a nudge. Should we do away with all
    regulation? Sure, some is excessive, but look at the safety aspects of
    the automobile. Should we bring back leaded gas and let the market decide?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Mon Feb 26 15:26:51 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps
    our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.

    Amen! Wise words and I agree 100%.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 15:31:32 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 8:47 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps >>> our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.



    Sometimes the free market need a nudge. Should we do away with all regulation? Sure, some is excessive, but look at the safety aspects of the automobile. Should we bring back leaded gas and let the market decide?

    If the market demands leaded gas, then why not? The free market, per definition, does not need a nudge. Regulations, in the long term, do more
    harm than good. If you would like to study the theoretical underpinnings
    and explanations of why, I recommend:

    The Machinery of Freedom
    The Market for Liberty
    and
    Liberalism (by Ludwig von Mises)

    All brilliant!

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 15:28:08 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 5:53 AM, D wrote:



    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible with
    todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not, it is >> horribly bad.


    You say "today's technology" and that is correct. Tomorrow is a new story.

    https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/04/12/solar-energy-can-now-be-stored-for-up-to-18-years-say-scientists

    Yes, those articles do pop up every year, but until something can be
    purchased on the market, it is better to disregard such stories.

    I've lost count on the number of "battery breakthrough" articles I've
    seen, and not to speak about fusion power. It is good, and let the science
    roam free, but until I see something like that on the market, I won't
    worry or count on it.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 09:56:14 2024
    On 2/26/2024 9:31 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 8:47 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material.  It won't run out in our lifetime, but
    perhaps
    our grandchildren.  Should we start planning alternatives now or wait >>>> until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper.  That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.



    Sometimes the free market need a nudge.  Should we do away with all
    regulation?  Sure, some is excessive, but look at the safety aspects
    of the automobile.  Should we bring back leaded gas and let the market
    decide?

    If the market demands leaded gas, then why not?
    Best regards,
    Daniel


    I'm part of the market and my health is important even if you don't
    think so. We don't need leaded gas.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 09:59:12 2024
    On 2/26/2024 9:28 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 5:53 AM, D wrote:



    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible
    with todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not,
    it is horribly bad.


    You say "today's technology" and that is correct.  Tomorrow is a new
    story.

    https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/04/12/solar-energy-can-now-be-stored-for-up-to-18-years-say-scientists

    Yes, those articles do pop up every year, but until something can be purchased on the market, it is better to disregard such stories.

    I've lost count on the number of "battery breakthrough" articles I've
    seen, and not to speak about fusion power. It is good, and let the
    science roam free, but until I see something like that on the market, I
    won't worry or count on it.

    I bet if everyone had your attitude we'd still be lining in 1850s
    conditions as we ignore what science is doing.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 15:09:20 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 8:47 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps >>> our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.



    Sometimes the free market need a nudge. Should we do away with all regulation? Sure, some is excessive, but look at the safety aspects of
    the automobile. Should we bring back leaded gas and let the market decide?

    The free market has always gotten nudges. From the railroads to
    the interstates, the government has always thrown money at the
    private sector like a drunken sailor at a titty bar.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Feb 26 16:19:46 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 8:47 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Ed P wrote :

    Oil is a finite material. It won't run out in our lifetime, but perhaps >>>> our grandchildren. Should we start planning alternatives now or wait
    until it is gone in 40 or 50 years?

    What is your plan?

    Let a free market, without government intervention, carry the ball.
    At some point, the demand for oil will pass the supply, prices will
    rise and alternate energies will be cheaper. That will happen before
    we run out of fossil fuels.



    Sometimes the free market need a nudge. Should we do away with all
    regulation? Sure, some is excessive, but look at the safety aspects of
    the automobile. Should we bring back leaded gas and let the market decide?

    The free market has always gotten nudges. From the railroads to
    the interstates, the government has always thrown money at the
    private sector like a drunken sailor at a titty bar.



    I would actually reverse that... the free market has always had quite a
    busy job fixing what the "government" (TM) has destroyed.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 15:52:40 2024
    On 2024-02-26, GM wrote:

    Doesn't a "coup" involve [...] violence [...],
    threats of such,

    "Kill Mike Pence"

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 10:44:59 2024
    On 2024-02-26 10:18 a.m., D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    I bet if everyone had your attitude we'd still be lining in 1850s
    conditions as we ignore what science is doing.


    I bet we'd have more scientific break throughs and a more productive
    society since people would be focused on solving actual problems instead
    of wasting time with moon shots.


    A lot of our modern products were first developed in the space program.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 16:18:40 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 9:28 AM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 5:53 AM, D wrote:



    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible with >>>> todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not, it >>>> is horribly bad.


    You say "today's technology" and that is correct.  Tomorrow is a new
    story.

    https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/04/12/solar-energy-can-now-be-stored-for-up-to-18-years-say-scientists

    Yes, those articles do pop up every year, but until something can be
    purchased on the market, it is better to disregard such stories.

    I've lost count on the number of "battery breakthrough" articles I've seen, >> and not to speak about fusion power. It is good, and let the science roam >> free, but until I see something like that on the market, I won't worry or >> count on it.

    I bet if everyone had your attitude we'd still be lining in 1850s conditions as we ignore what science is doing.


    I bet we'd have more scientific break throughs and a more productive
    society since people would be focused on solving actual problems instead
    of wasting time with moon shots.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 27 04:00:15 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:51:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:39:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to >>>>>> support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the
    convention and the streets.

    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there >>>>> aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked.
    We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the >>>> last one.

    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

    D's definition of a regular political meeting:
    <https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/new_project_-_2021-11-17t131531536_11172021>


    I don't know how old you are but put on your glasses. Donald Trump is not
    in that photo.

    It's a regular political meeting of Trump zombies.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 27 04:01:41 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:56:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Graham wrote:

    It was Covid that fucked up the economies of every civilised nation**.
    Biden is NOT responsible for the price increases we see for just about
    everything.
    **(I sometimes have my doubts about whether the US is civilised)

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the >economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets
    + massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result
    of this socialism.

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 18:06:07 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, GM wrote:

    Doesn't a "coup" involve [...] violence [...],
    threats of such,

    "Kill Mike Pence"


    Nancy Pelosi made that up, Mike...

    --
    GM

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Mon Feb 26 12:38:36 2024
    On 2/26/2024 10:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-26 10:18 a.m., D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    I bet if everyone had your attitude we'd still be lining in 1850s
    conditions as we ignore what science is doing.


    I bet we'd have more scientific break throughs and a more productive
    society since people would be focused on solving actual problems
    instead of wasting time with moon shots.


    A lot of our modern products were first developed in the space program.


    Seems D wants to wallow in ignorance

    What are NASA spinoffs everyday products from NASA?
    Many technologies developed for space have found uses on Earth.
    Sunglasses, the computer mouse, magnetic resonance imaging, smoke
    detectors, quartz watches and bar codes are just a few of the 30,000
    commercial applications of space technology that have entered the
    consumer market since the 1950s.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/consumer-products-nasa-helped-invent

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 19:27:11 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:56:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Graham wrote:

    It was Covid that fucked up the economies of every civilised nation**.
    Biden is NOT responsible for the price increases we see for just about
    everything.
    **(I sometimes have my doubts about whether the US is civilised)

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the
    economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets >> + massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result >> of this socialism.

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 27 05:33:27 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:27:11 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:56:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Graham wrote:

    It was Covid that fucked up the economies of every civilised nation**. >>>> Biden is NOT responsible for the price increases we see for just about >>>> everything.
    **(I sometimes have my doubts about whether the US is civilised)

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the
    economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets >>> + massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result >>> of this socialism.

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the >ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you don't >follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    Enjoy!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 19:26:26 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:51:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:39:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:

    Am looking forward to the 2024 Democratic National Convention in >>>>>>> Chicago, IL. Can't wait to see the reaction when Big Money fails to >>>>>>> support Biden for the nomination. Expect chaos will reign in the >>>>>>> convention and the streets.

    Frankly, I expect chaos at both conventions. I'll be surprised if there >>>>>> aren't one or two new third-parties created between now and the
    election. If it's Biden vs. Trump in the General, I'll be shocked. >>>>>> We live in interesting times, and we're forced to stay tuned.

    Do you think trump will stage another coup? He probably learned from the >>>>> last one.

    What coup? Oh, you mean regular political meetings!

    D's definition of a regular political meeting:
    <https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/new_project_-_2021-11-17t131531536_11172021>


    I don't know how old you are but put on your glasses. Donald Trump is not
    in that photo.

    It's a regular political meeting of Trump zombies.


    Not a chance! Those guys are under cover Biden zombies!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Feb 26 19:28:44 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-26 10:18 a.m., D wrote:


    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    I bet if everyone had your attitude we'd still be lining in 1850s
    conditions as we ignore what science is doing.


    I bet we'd have more scientific break throughs and a more productive
    society since people would be focused on solving actual problems instead >>> of wasting time with moon shots.


    A lot of our modern products were first developed in the space program.


    Seems D wants to wallow in ignorance

    What are NASA spinoffs everyday products from NASA?
    Many technologies developed for space have found uses on Earth. Sunglasses, the computer mouse, magnetic resonance imaging, smoke detectors, quartz watches and bar codes are just a few of the 30,000 commercial applications of space technology that have entered the consumer market since the 1950s.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/consumer-products-nasa-helped-invent

    And what would the spin offs be if the program was not? Impossible to
    tell. But what we can tell is that all government projects would have been
    more economically and/or better done by the private sector.

    The NASA project was an enormous waste of resources to achive something
    which would have been achieved later at a fraction of the cost.

    But this is typical socialist thinking. Just looking at the immediate
    effects and ignoring all alternatives.

    Back to school boys!

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 19:17:22 2024
    On 2024-02-26, GM wrote:
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, GM wrote:

    Doesn't a "coup" involve [...] violence [...],
    threats of such,

    "Kill Mike Pence"


    Nancy Pelosi made that up, Mike...

    Dude, I saw it on TV.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Feb 27 07:05:07 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:33:32 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?

    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the
    ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any discussion is useless.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 12:33:32 2024
    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:


    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 19:16:06 2024
    On 2024-02-26, D wrote:


    But what we can tell is that all government projects would have
    been more economically and/or better done by the private sector.

    Yabbut, thanks to government demonstation of space-flight
    problems, the private sector now knows that it's easier
    to send robots, especially on one-way dangerous missions.

    Yeah, I know, people are ready to go to Mars as soon as
    the robots say it's safe. They are already practicing
    in 'space-pods' months at a time with complete strangers.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 20:44:47 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:56:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the >>economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets >>+ massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result >>of this socialism.

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    When the "common cold" first washed over mankind, there's no telling how
    many people died. Any google answers on this are B.S., because nobody
    has a clue when that happened. Some speculate that they do. They don't.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Feb 26 21:01:29 2024
    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I think you also have geothermal in california, but I don't know if it is possible and financially meaningful to build out the capability.


    Nevada, where I live, has 26 geothermal plants according to google. I
    know where two are and haven't paid attention to the rest.
    Can you imagine utilizing Yellowstone? That would tap the vast energy
    there and maybe reduce the devastation when the next "big one" erupts
    and demonstrates what "climate change" really means.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Feb 26 22:02:09 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:


    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the
    ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you don't
    follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    Likewise! Done plenty of reading and experienced it for myself. I think
    the reason you don't see the evils is that you never tried a taste of it yourself.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 22:03:16 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:33:32 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody >>>> who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?

    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the >>> ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any discussion is useless.


    Not at all. But it is difficult to get through to you since you seem to be living in some kind of "la la land". But I have great hopes that you'll
    wake up by studying my texts in depth! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 26 22:04:51 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any
    discussion is useless.


    Thank you! Anything that separates us from the sticky glob of sheeple is
    a win-win. Cults and sheeple, what is the World coming to?


    And I'm still enjoying the pod with my great friends over here! ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 27 08:13:04 2024
    On 26 Feb 2024 20:44:47 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:56:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Incorrect. It was the politicians response to corona that messed up the >>>economics. What was a common cold led to complete shut down of all markets >>>+ massive political fingering of the markets. We are now seeing the result >>>of this socialism.

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody
    who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?


    When the "common cold" first washed over mankind, there's no telling how
    many people died. Any google answers on this are B.S., because nobody
    has a clue when that happened. Some speculate that they do. They don't.

    All facts that contradict Leo's ideology are false facts! Think! Think
    harder!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 27 08:15:01 2024
    On 26 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any
    discussion is useless.


    Thank you! Anything that separates us from the sticky glob of sheeple is
    a win-win. Cults and sheeple, what is the World coming to?

    But you are one of the sheeple. You're a Trump zombie. You can't get
    more 'sheeple' than that.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 20:49:42 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any discussion is useless.


    Thank you! Anything that separates us from the sticky glob of sheeple is
    a win-win. Cults and sheeple, what is the World coming to?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Feb 26 21:20:15 2024
    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:


    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position. In a completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.


    Ron Paul for President! But I want Kristi Noem as Vice President. How do
    we get 'em both? I'd also be happy with vice versa.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 27 08:31:08 2024
    On 26 Feb 2024 21:20:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position. In a >> completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.

    Ron Paul for President! But I want Kristi Noem as Vice President. How do
    we get 'em both? I'd also be happy with vice versa.

    She's against abortion and against same-sex marriage, to name a few
    things. Her next election campaign should be titled "Back to the
    Middle Ages with Kristi Noem!"

    Leo, your brain stopped taking in new information at the same time as Sheldon's. Around 1965, I'd say.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 21:44:44 2024
    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    D wrote :

    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

    I'm not on Team Trump. Trump is not a nice person and should he be
    elected POTUS, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Even more
    handicapped than he was in his first term.

    Biden is a professional politician. We've already got waay too many
    of those in Washington, DC. Let Biden get out on the campaign
    trail, in front of voters, so they can judge for themselves whether
    or not he's still capable of being the leader of the US. That will
    not happen.

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position.
    In a completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.

    I find it very interesting that this election seems to be revolving
    around which side is better at defeating its nausea. ;)

    Oh he has company. I don't like either choice. Biden is already
    showing signs of memory failure. We voted in Reagan for a second term
    but he seemed solid then. 2 years later the issues came up. Biden
    doesn't have a reasonable fall back. The VP's main action was to
    refuse her only real task (visit the border for him). She'll be a
    waste.

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective. Now I *know* it won't happen but if he straightend up
    and Nikki Halley ran with him as VP (won't happen, his ego is too big)
    that team might work well to give us an alternative. Nice
    dream....*sigh*.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 26 22:02:51 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:


    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position. In a >> completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.


    Ron Paul for President! But I want Kristi Noem as Vice President. How do
    we get 'em both? I'd also be happy with vice versa.

    I wanted to give Pete Buttigieg a chance in 2020. But he dropped
    out before the Michigan primary.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Feb 26 22:21:31 2024
    songbird wrote:

    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

    Virginia Beach is having a wind power problem. People are objecting to
    having the power cables buried across the land. Yup, they are that
    stupid. They think it will cause radiation or something.

    Don't worry, it will either come in at 1 of the 2 bases or the Governor
    will just grab the land citing the need to force an easement on them
    for supply of critical state infrastructure needs.

    It's already being built.

    While it will supply supposedly about 1/4 VB's needs it actually goes
    to Dominion (our power company for the state). Piecemeal of the total.

    Virginia has 3 coal powered stations left (and a small one privately
    owned that powers some other industry plant).

    Don and the cab driver sighted 5 new solar installs in progress or
    completed on his way home last week.... (ours was paid off on 15Feb24).

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Tue Feb 27 09:30:45 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 21:44:44 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    D wrote :

    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

    I'm not on Team Trump. Trump is not a nice person and should he be
    elected POTUS, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Even more
    handicapped than he was in his first term.

    Biden is a professional politician. We've already got waay too many
    of those in Washington, DC. Let Biden get out on the campaign
    trail, in front of voters, so they can judge for themselves whether
    or not he's still capable of being the leader of the US. That will
    not happen.

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position.
    In a completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.

    I find it very interesting that this election seems to be revolving
    around which side is better at defeating its nausea. ;)

    Oh he has company. I don't like either choice. Biden is already
    showing signs of memory failure. We voted in Reagan for a second term
    but he seemed solid then. 2 years later the issues came up. Biden
    doesn't have a reasonable fall back. The VP's main action was to
    refuse her only real task (visit the border for him). She'll be a
    waste.

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective. Now I *know* it won't happen but if he straightend up
    and Nikki Halley ran with him as VP (won't happen, his ego is too big)
    that team might work well to give us an alternative. Nice
    dream....*sigh*.

    If Trump straightened up... sounds like... if a dog had six legs.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Tue Feb 27 09:34:32 2024
    On 26 Feb 2024 22:31:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    But you are one of the sheeple. You're a Trump zombie. You can't get
    more 'sheeple' than that.


    Sticks and stones, Bubbly Boo, sticks and stones. If I called you a
    zombie, you'd scream, "Bullying!" like a stuck pig.

    Have I ever complained that you're bullying me? No. So whatchou on
    about? :)

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 22:40:43 2024
    D wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, songbird wrote:

    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible
    with todays technology.

    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not,
    it is horribly bad.

    I think a combination of nuclear for predictable base load, coupled
    with wind, solar both at a company level and individual level is the
    way to go.

    I think you also have geothermal in california, but I don't know if
    it is possible and financially meaningful to build out the capability.

    Virginia is going the multi-source route. No useful geothermal here.
    Some wind areas blocked by shipping routes (yes, we are a *major*
    shipping port plus a huge amount of Navy bases and ships).

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 26 22:31:54 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    But you are one of the sheeple. You're a Trump zombie. You can't get
    more 'sheeple' than that.


    Sticks and stones, Bubbly Boo, sticks and stones. If I called you a
    zombie, you'd scream, "Bullying!" like a stuck pig.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Mon Feb 26 19:17:24 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:
    ...
    Dude, I saw it on TV.

    the asshole encouraged the crowd to interfere with
    the peaceful transition of the presidency. he's no
    longer qualified (he wasn't to begin with IMO). he's
    violated any oaths he may have sworn. his continued
    comments in recent months certainly also make him
    unqualified.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Feb 26 19:13:27 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, songbird wrote:

    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible
    with todays technology.

    blatantly false.

    how many GWH do you consider national?


    Wind and solar are great, as long as there is wind and sun. When not,
    it is horribly bad.

    I think a combination of nuclear for predictable base load, coupled
    with wind, solar both at a company level and individual level is the
    way to go.

    I think you also have geothermal in california, but I don't know if
    it is possible and financially meaningful to build out the capability.

    they have it and do use it. same for hydropower, wind,
    solar and now plenty of batteries (and they are building
    a lot more).

    during the day and early evening they are running most
    days between 60-80% or more on renewables + hydro, etc.
    and that is continuing to go up. where they are currently
    not storing enough from the daytime to get them through a
    full evening but that will be coming along. i've been
    watching this trend for years. it's working.

    the problem at the moment is using lithium batteries
    for energy storage is a really expensive way to go and
    there are cheaper technologies (which don't catch on
    fire) now which could be used instead but everyone is
    stuck on lithium. lithium may be a more energy dense
    technology but it does not last as many cycles as some
    of the others so it ends up costing more over the long-
    haul.


    Virginia is going the multi-source route. No useful geothermal here.
    Some wind areas blocked by shipping routes (yes, we are a *major*
    shipping port plus a huge amount of Navy bases and ships).

    if they can do offshore it will often be the cheapest source
    possible and they are still making larger and larger ones so
    that means fewer turbines per GW.


    songbird

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 27 11:31:55 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On 26 Feb 2024 20:49:42 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any
    discussion is useless.


    Thank you! Anything that separates us from the sticky glob of sheeple is
    a win-win. Cults and sheeple, what is the World coming to?

    But you are one of the sheeple. You're a Trump zombie. You can't get
    more 'sheeple' than that.


    I love your eloquent rhetoric skills. Your argument carries great weight!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Feb 27 11:31:04 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I think you also have geothermal in california, but I don't know if it is
    possible and financially meaningful to build out the capability.


    Nevada, where I live, has 26 geothermal plants according to google. I
    know where two are and haven't paid attention to the rest.
    Can you imagine utilizing Yellowstone? That would tap the vast energy
    there and maybe reduce the devastation when the next "big one" erupts
    and demonstrates what "climate change" really means.

    That sounds like a great win/win to me! Environmentalist hysterics happy
    and environmental rationalists like myself happy.

    But!

    If I think about how things go in sweden when the expansion of hydropower
    is discussed, those discussions are always stopped by the
    environmentalists due to destruction of nature. So the environmentalists
    are actually the ones stopping the expansion of hydropower in sweden.

    But fortunately the EU has now defined nuclear as environmentally
    friendly, so I hope some of the hysterics are changing their minds about
    it. Discussions are also underway to build new nuclear in sweden after it
    being forbidden for many, many decades.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Feb 27 11:32:55 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-26, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:


    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position. In a >> completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.


    Ron Paul for President! But I want Kristi Noem as Vice President. How do
    we get 'em both? I'd also be happy with vice versa.


    That's beyond me! It seems to me that sometimes the american political
    system is sub-optimal. ;)

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to cshenk on Tue Feb 27 11:34:57 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, cshenk wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    D wrote :

    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

    I'm not on Team Trump. Trump is not a nice person and should he be
    elected POTUS, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Even more
    handicapped than he was in his first term.

    Biden is a professional politician. We've already got waay too many
    of those in Washington, DC. Let Biden get out on the campaign
    trail, in front of voters, so they can judge for themselves whether
    or not he's still capable of being the leader of the US. That will
    not happen.

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position.
    In a completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.

    I find it very interesting that this election seems to be revolving
    around which side is better at defeating its nausea. ;)

    Oh he has company. I don't like either choice. Biden is already
    showing signs of memory failure. We voted in Reagan for a second term
    but he seemed solid then. 2 years later the issues came up. Biden
    doesn't have a reasonable fall back. The VP's main action was to
    refuse her only real task (visit the border for him). She'll be a
    waste.

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective. Now I *know* it won't happen but if he straightend up
    and Nikki Halley ran with him as VP (won't happen, his ego is too big)
    that team might work well to give us an alternative. Nice
    dream....*sigh*.


    Trump and Nikki cooperating? Wow, that would be very surprising! I wonder
    how all political commentators would take that? I could also imagine that
    Nikki would quit after a few weeks. ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 27 11:36:08 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 21:44:44 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, heyjoe wrote:

    D wrote :

    That's green socialism for you! Welcome to team Trump! ;)

    I'm not on Team Trump. Trump is not a nice person and should he be
    elected POTUS, he'll be a lame duck from day one. Even more
    handicapped than he was in his first term.

    Biden is a professional politician. We've already got waay too many
    of those in Washington, DC. Let Biden get out on the campaign
    trail, in front of voters, so they can judge for themselves whether
    or not he's still capable of being the leader of the US. That will
    not happen.

    Neither Biden, nor Trump are good choices for POTUS in 2024.
    Not sure I can pinch my nose hard enough to vote for either of those
    two.

    Wow, this seems like a very uncommon balanced and realistic position.
    In a completely ideal scenario I'd vote for Ron Paul myself.

    I find it very interesting that this election seems to be revolving
    around which side is better at defeating its nausea. ;)

    Oh he has company. I don't like either choice. Biden is already
    showing signs of memory failure. We voted in Reagan for a second term
    but he seemed solid then. 2 years later the issues came up. Biden
    doesn't have a reasonable fall back. The VP's main action was to
    refuse her only real task (visit the border for him). She'll be a
    waste.

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective. Now I *know* it won't happen but if he straightend up
    and Nikki Halley ran with him as VP (won't happen, his ego is too big)
    that team might work well to give us an alternative. Nice
    dream....*sigh*.

    If Trump straightened up... sounds like... if a dog had six legs.


    Well, I guess you could count the tail and the reproductive apparatus to
    make it six, right?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Feb 27 11:39:38 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, songbird wrote:

    heyjoe wrote:
    ...
    ... Green is great, but not to the exclusion of what
    works at the best price.

    the best price for much in energy now is wind, solar
    and battery storage. include more transmission lines to
    spread the footprint and that means cheap energy from
    anyplace else is available for the price of wheeling
    and transmission losses. it is much cheaper to ship
    electrons than coal or oil.

    short-sighted thinking though, well, it's going to suck
    for later generation when they have to pay the bills to
    rebuild further inland or try to protect places from
    storms. pay now or pay later at a compounded rate.


    songbird

    Energy storage based on batteries at national level is impossible
    with todays technology.

    blatantly false.

    how many GWH do you consider national?

    The total electricity consumption in the United States in 2022 was about
    4.07 trillion kilowatt-hours (kWh)

    Show me the cost of battery storage and I think you'll find it
    unrealistic.

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  • From Gary@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 27 05:40:26 2024
    On 2/26/2024 3:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:33:32 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody >>>> who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do
    you watch Fox News?

    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the >>> ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any discussion is useless.

    And you don't? ;)

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 11:29:25 2024
    In article
    <iqqdnZYWZ53Rm0D4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective.

    Are you so thick you can't see why that's so hugely
    dangerous? January 6 was just a practise run, a rehearsal
    for Trumps second term home-game.

    America crippled at home and abroad by a second term of
    President Trump is the dream scenario that plays straight
    into the hands of Putin, Russia, China, all your
    opponents round the world.

    He's already given Putin the green light to attack Nato.

    Janet UK

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Tue Feb 27 12:37:47 2024
    On 2024-02-27, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article
    <iqqdnZYWZ53Rm0D4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so will
    be ineffective.

    Are you so thick you can't see why that's so hugely
    dangerous?

    Yes, she is.

    January 6 was just a practise run, a rehearsal
    for Trumps second term home-game.

    America crippled at home and abroad by a second term of
    President Trump is the dream scenario that plays straight
    into the hands of Putin, Russia, China, all your
    opponents round the world.

    He's already given Putin the green light to attack Nato.

    This time, he'll install sycophants who will find a way to do
    what he wants. He has told us what he intends to do. We should
    take him seriously.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Gary on Tue Feb 27 15:07:38 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Gary wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 3:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:33:32 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody >>>>> who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do >>>>> you watch Fox News?

    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the >>>> ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any
    discussion is useless.

    And you don't? ;)


    Touché!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Gary on Wed Feb 28 04:00:30 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 05:40:26 -0500, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 3:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:33:32 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-26 11:27 a.m., D wrote:

    A common cold? I know people who died from covid. I don't know anybody >>>>> who died from the common cold. Where do you get your information? Do >>>>> you watch Fox News?

    I know people who died from bananas and common cold. And yes, Fox is the >>>> ultimate source of truth in case you didn't know it, so in case you
    don't follow Fox I cannot take you seriously.

    And as you follow Fox, I can't take you seriously.
    BTW it's obvious that you apply "socialism" to anything you don't like.
    I suggest you do some reading on the subject.

    He's the Swedish Leonard. These people live in their own reality. Any
    discussion is useless.

    And you don't? ;)

    I'm not fact intolerant.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 27 17:57:46 2024
    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South
    Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Wed Feb 28 05:32:58 2024
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. >> Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Feb 27 19:34:44 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. >> Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free state project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is where I should retire? =)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 15:02:34 2024
    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach
    europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South
    Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free state project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is where I
    should retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if
    needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Feb 27 21:41:25 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach
    europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South
    Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free state
    project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is where I should
    retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.


    But does that leave Federal income tax and tax on capital gains and
    dividens on the federal level?

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 16:36:06 2024
    On 2/27/2024 3:41 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach
    europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free
    state project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is
    where I should retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if
    needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.


    But does that leave Federal income tax and tax on capital gains and
    dividens on the federal level?

    Yes, and that is equal in every state. Some cities also have a wage tax.

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/cities-that-levy-income-taxes-3193246

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Feb 28 09:00:40 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:36:06 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:41 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach >>>>>> europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi. >>>>>

    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free
    state project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is
    where I should retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if
    needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.


    But does that leave Federal income tax and tax on capital gains and
    dividens on the federal level?

    Yes, and that is equal in every state. Some cities also have a wage tax.

    Damn, where can he move now?

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Feb 27 22:06:00 2024
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. >>> Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Feb 27 22:35:57 2024
    songbird wrote:

    cshenk wrote:

    Virginia is going the multi-source route. No useful geothermal
    here. Some wind areas blocked by shipping routes (yes, we are a
    major shipping port plus a huge amount of Navy bases and ships).

    if they can do offshore it will often be the cheapest source
    possible and they are still making larger and larger ones so
    that means fewer turbines per GW.


    songbird

    It's offshore but not north enough to block any critical shipping lanes
    and 20 or so miles out to sea. Looks like 2 just along fort story and
    first landing.

    The eastern coast is pretty much lined with them.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 22:20:04 2024
    D wrote:



    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, cshenk wrote:


    Oh he has company. I don't like either choice. Biden is already
    showing signs of memory failure. We voted in Reagan for a second
    term but he seemed solid then. 2 years later the issues came up.
    Biden doesn't have a reasonable fall back. The VP's main action
    was to refuse her only real task (visit the border for him).
    She'll be a waste.

    Trump won't get any cooperation from inside or outside the USA so
    will be ineffective. Now I know it won't happen but if he
    straightend up and Nikki Halley ran with him as VP (won't happen,
    his ego is too big) that team might work well to give us an
    alternative. Nice dream....*sigh*.


    Trump and Nikki cooperating? Wow, that would be very surprising! I
    wonder how all political commentators would take that? I could also
    imagine that Nikki would quit after a few weeks. ;)

    Maybe not? She's still trying I think. The media is not behind her
    though.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Feb 27 17:40:24 2024
    On 2/27/2024 5:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. >>>> Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South
    Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."



    Wow, a century ago she would be a big winner. She does not entice me to
    move to ND.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Feb 27 22:57:47 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions.
    Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."



    Wow, a century ago she would be a big winner. She does not entice me to
    move to ND.


    So tell us, Ed, why do you continue to make The Solid Red State of Florida your home...???

    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Wed Feb 28 10:02:37 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:06:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. >Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    Horrible. I can't believe someone with a working brain can support
    that woman. That only leaves one possible conclusion.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Feb 27 17:28:33 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach europe. >>>> Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South
    Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."


    Ahahahahahaha, like the energizer bunny.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Feb 28 09:37:00 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:41 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach >>>>>> europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi. >>>>>

    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in
    sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free state >>>> project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is where I should >>>> retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if
    needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.


    But does that leave Federal income tax and tax on capital gains and
    dividens on the federal level?

    Yes, and that is equal in every state. Some cities also have a wage tax.

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/cities-that-levy-income-taxes-3193246

    Booh! =( But thank you for the link.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Feb 28 09:40:19 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27 Feb 2024 17:57:46 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach
    europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi.


    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare.
    Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions.
    Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread
    voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."



    Wow, a century ago she would be a big winner. She does not entice me to move to ND.


    Sounds like my kind of woman! And she is really beautiful too! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Feb 28 09:38:27 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:36:06 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:41 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Ed P wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 1:34 PM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for Kristi, she has never made enough media head lines to reach >>>>>>> europe.
    Ron Paul has been in the european news a few times but never Kristi. >>>>>>

    She's a ranch girl who is now the Governor of South Dakota and a
    terrific spokesman for the State. She does commercials promoting South >>>>>> Dakota. Here's one. There's a bunch more.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haza7DQxr50>


    Brilliant! Oh the day I would see a political commercial like this in >>>>> sweden, that would be the day!

    But I thought new hampshire was the freest state due to their free
    state project? Is South dakota cathing up? Maybe South Dakota is
    where I should retire? =)


    Sure, but they don't have enough medical people to take care of you if >>>> needed.

    Nine states have no income tax.


    But does that leave Federal income tax and tax on capital gains and
    dividens on the federal level?

    Yes, and that is equal in every state. Some cities also have a wage tax.

    Damn, where can he move now?


    Any suggestions Bruce?

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Feb 28 09:36:29 2024
    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:06:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare. >>Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. >>Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread >>voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    Horrible. I can't believe someone with a working brain can support
    that woman. That only leaves one possible conclusion.

    Meth. They're on it.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Feb 28 12:05:18 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Thu Feb 29 04:32:19 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 09:36:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:06:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-27, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Leo, does she support the idea of blacks in the back of the bus?

    She supports a lot of regressive stuff. Tax cuts for the rich,
    offshore oil drilling, permit-free carry of concealed weapons,
    school prayer. Hydroxychloroquine.

    She opposes a lot of progressive stuff. Gay marriage. Obamacare. >>>Abortion. Protests against the Keystone Pipeline. COVID restrictions. >>>Marijuana legalization.

    Of course she thinks the 2020 election was characterized by widespread >>>voter fraud.

    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    Horrible. I can't believe someone with a working brain can support
    that woman. That only leaves one possible conclusion.

    Meth. They're on it.

    :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Thu Feb 29 05:39:27 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:37:27 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.

    I don't follow Canadian politics, but he can't be as bad as some of
    those Republican clowns, like Trump or this Kristi Something. I wonder
    what retarded swamp they've dragged these people out of.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Feb 28 13:37:27 2024
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Feb 28 15:34:55 2024
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Feb 28 17:38:54 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.

    is he a sexist thug and conman who has zero morals?
    has he ignored the foundational documents of his
    country? has he tried to bribe or influence those who
    are bound by laws? has be promised pardons and
    punishments?

    i was watching a video today which claimed that Trump
    has a 140+ IQ. no f'n way... also the shrubs... um,
    nope...


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Feb 28 17:51:42 2024
    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Feb 28 16:14:15 2024
    On 2024-02-28 4:08 p.m., Hank Rogers wrote:
    songbird wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.

       is he a sexist thug and conman who has zero morals?
    has he ignored the foundational documents of his
    country?  has he tried to bribe or influence those who
    are bound by laws?  has be promised pardons and
    punishments?

       i was watching a video today which claimed that Trump
    has a 140+ IQ.  no f'n way...  also the shrubs...  um,
    nope...


       songbird


    It doesn't matter if trump has any brains at all. The only criterion is whether enough voters can put him in power once again. If so, he will
    become dictator for life, same as Julius Caesar so many years ago.

    Yebbut - look what happened to him on March 15th!

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Feb 28 17:08:39 2024
    songbird wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.

    is he a sexist thug and conman who has zero morals?
    has he ignored the foundational documents of his
    country? has he tried to bribe or influence those who
    are bound by laws? has be promised pardons and
    punishments?

    i was watching a video today which claimed that Trump
    has a 140+ IQ. no f'n way... also the shrubs... um,
    nope...


    songbird


    It doesn't matter if trump has any brains at all. The only criterion is
    whether enough voters can put him in power once again. If so, he will
    become dictator for life, same as Julius Caesar so many years ago.

    And it will be the end of the republic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Feb 28 19:14:35 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 15:34:55 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    He doesn't want restrictions on the net either, his kids are just too
    young yet for him to understand!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Feb 28 16:17:50 2024
    On 2024-02-28 3:51 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    I'm also fed up with JT but in my nearly 49 years in Canada,
    Conservative administrations have proved disastrous.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Wed Feb 28 19:19:26 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:51:42 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    I disagree with you if you are promoting PeePee

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Feb 28 20:38:38 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:17:50 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 3:51 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>> was "Meth. We're on it."

    lol based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the
    worst possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    I'm also fed up with JT but in my nearly 49 years in Canada,
    Conservative administrations have proved disastrous.

    I agree since traitor McKay put the religious Albertan right in!!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 29 19:29:39 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst >>>> possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard >>> with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how >damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 29 09:22:09 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan
    was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst >>> possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard >> with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 29 14:12:44 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst >>>>> possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard >>>> with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how >> damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.


    ?

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 09:21:25 2024
    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of
    how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the
    woke movement.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 29 16:14:13 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just look >> at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how
    the establishment in canada is reacting.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Feb 29 16:14:50 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    Oh well, a great opportunity for him to buy a Jordan Peterson book and
    read up on the subject! ;)

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 14:53:03 2024
    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 29 09:04:25 2024
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst >>>>> possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard >>>> with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how >> damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 16:01:49 2024
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>> evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just look >>> at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the woke >> movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how
    the establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European nations), the US...

    Here are the concerns many in Germany have:

    - hare - brained "Net Zero" energy policies, these include the shuttering of all nuclear plants, dependence on Russian gas imports (OOPS - how did THAT work out...!!!???), thus sky - high energy prices, leading to many business closing/cutting back,
    unemployment, and the government having to spend billions of Euros to assist citizens in paying their utiligy bills. Economically, this had made Germany a "Dead Man Walking", the German economy is contracting, and a number of firms are leaving to set up
    shop overseas. Also, google "German farmer protests"...

    - hare - brained "immigration" policies, in that over a million under - educated from MENA states have poured in since 2015. These are primarily shiftless unemployed young men who are ardent islamists, who are sucking off of the German state welfare
    teat, and they have no incentive to integrate into the larger German national culture, let alone work. Because of this "immigration", rape is skyrocketing in Germany...

    And like in Canada, the US and elswhere, the leftist German "traffic light" ruling coaition* is demonising the oppesition, in this case the AfD party...

    *[In German politics, a traffic light coalition (German: Ampelkoalition) is a coalition government of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), the Free Democratic Party (FDP) and Alliance 90/The Greens. It is named after the parties' traditional
    colours, respectively red, yellow, and green, matching the colour sequence of a traffic light (Ampel)...]


    An excellent read, some excerpts below:

    "Rather than being valorised as a model nation, perhaps Germany ought to be seen as a
    cautionary tale – of how a cosy elite consensus, untroubled by democracy, can take even a powerful, successful country to the brink... In this sense, the farmers’ uprising last week strikes at the
    heart of modern Germany’s malaise. It challenges the elites’ devotion to greenism at all costs.."

    Germany: so much for the ‘grown-up country’

    The model nation for centrist liberals is in political and economic turmoil.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/21/germany-so-much-for-the-grown-up-country/

    "Germany has long occupied a special place in the liberal-elite imagination. Over the past few decades, and especially since the world was upended by the votes for Brexit and Trump, Germany has been held up by the great and good as a model nation. As the
    rest of the West lost their minds, or so the story goes, Germany remained a paragon of economic efficiency, political maturity and environmental stewardship. The last bulwark of the liberal order in an age of rising populism...

    This elite Germanophilia is best embodied in John Kampfner’s 'Why the Germans Do it Better: Notes From a Grown-Up Country'. First published in August 2020, it became an unlikely bestseller in the UK. It received rave reviews and was declared ‘book of
    the year’ by the Guardian, the New Statesman and The Economist. Its central claim is that Germany has forged ‘a new paradigm in stability’ that the rest of the world ought to follow...

    It is hard to think of any book that has aged quite so badly, quite so quickly...

    Indeed, the news coming out of Germany lately paints a wholly different picture: one of economic collapse and interminable political strife...

    Even though 2024 is just a few weeks old, Germany has already been rocked by huge farmers’ protests, with thousands of tractors blocking cities and motorway junctions this past week alone. It has been crippled by transport workers’ and doctors’
    strikes. Factories in its much-vaunted manufacturing sector are shutting down and shipping production elsewhere. The federal government is struggling to reckon with a budget crisis and is ushering in a new age of austerity. Data released this week showed
    that Germany had the worst economic performance last year of any major economy. In the year ahead, it is predicted to have the slowest growth in the G20, apart from Argentina...

    Major firms like BASF – a chemical giant that is older than the German state itself – are now closing their factories and offshoring production. Even ‘green’ industries cannot cope. This week, Germany’s largest solar-panel producer, Meyer
    Burger, threatened to shut down its factory in Saxony and relocate to the US..."


    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Mar 1 04:30:17 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 14:12:44 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how >>> damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.


    ?

    Yes sorry, that should be Ku Klux Klan.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Mar 1 04:33:32 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 14:53:03 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    I didn't express any opinions about this Jordan Peterson, whoever that
    is. Learn to read, Muffy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Mar 1 04:36:09 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:04:25 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

       lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of how >>> damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    Ah, that's why "D" and Muffy are mesmerised by him.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Feb 29 12:43:38 2024
    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for
    the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of
    two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent
    of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 29 12:35:50 2024
    On 2024-02-29 10:43 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose >>>>>>>>> slogan
    was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for
    the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of
    two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent
    of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    But he mixes it with religious nonsense.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Feb 29 15:11:41 2024
    On 2024-02-29 2:35 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 10:43 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    But he mixes it with religious nonsense.



    I don't know where you get that from. He sometimes speaks about the
    importance of religion in our moral standards, the common set of ethics
    we adopt as a society. He speaks about the importance of acting on the
    moral lessons of our religion as opposed to just talking about it. I
    have watched a lot of Jordan Peterson videos where he discusses all
    sorts of issues, but I never heard him preaching.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Feb 29 20:27:57 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed
    anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Fri Mar 1 07:41:46 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:27:57 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed
    anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    You're the one who gets all weird when someone disagrees with you.
    You've lived in Japan for too long. You now think, like dsi1 did, that
    you lose face if you admit being wrong about something. Which is a
    problem, because you're wrong half the time you say something.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 14:51:43 2024
    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>>> evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of >>>> how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the
    woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how
    the establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European nations), the US...


    What we need is for trump to be installed as emperor of the world.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 22:17:02 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, GM wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>>> evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of >>>> how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the
    woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how the >> establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European nations), the US...

    Fear not! Sweden is not far behind! But what scares me about Germany is
    that this will lead to a new Hitler but instead of jews, it will be
    moslems this time.

    And they are repeating all the mistakes and if this continues unchecked
    the economy will be destroyed, jobs will move abroad, and then "ta da" a nationalist will pop up with the solution.

    Yes, we've seen that before.

    Just like in Ukraine. EU thinks that if we just negotiate a peace with
    Putin, he'll be a happy camper. Did that work historically? Not a
    chance.

    But hopefully europe will live another 10 years or so, so that I can
    sell all my stuff and retire in the caribean or some other remote place
    and watch the destruction from far away.

    Another thing I noticed is that the very rational farmers protests all
    over europe, due to the green dictatorship, are starting to be connected
    with russia. That will of course backfire as well. But it is a classic
    PR trick. Associate something valid with something crazy so that it can
    then be dismissed.


    Here are the concerns many in Germany have:

    - hare - brained "Net Zero" energy policies, these include the shuttering of all nuclear plants, dependence on Russian gas imports (OOPS - how did THAT work out...!!!???), thus sky - high energy prices, leading to many business closing/cutting back, unemployment, and the government having to spend billions of Euros to assist citizens in paying their utiligy bills. Economically, this had made Germany a "Dead Man Walking", the German economy is contracting, and a number of firms are leaving to set up shop overseas. Also, google "German farmer protests"...

    - hare - brained "immigration" policies, in that over a million under - educated from MENA states have poured in since 2015. These are primarily shiftless unemployed young men who are ardent islamists, who are sucking off of the German state welfare teat, and they have no incentive to integrate into the larger German national culture, let alone work. Because of this "immigration", rape is skyrocketing in Germany...

    And like in Canada, the US and elswhere, the leftist German "traffic light" ruling coaition* is demonising the oppesition, in this case the AfD party... *[In German politics, a traffic light coalition (German: Ampelkoalition) is a coalition government of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), the Free Democratic Party (FDP) and Alliance 90/The Greens. It is named after the parties' traditional colours, respectively red, yellow, and green, matching the colour sequence of a traffic light (Ampel)...]


    An excellent read, some excerpts below:

    "Rather than being valorised as a model nation, perhaps Germany ought to be seen as a cautionary tale – of how a cosy elite consensus, untroubled by democracy, can take even a powerful, successful country to the brink... In this sense, the farmers’ uprising last week strikes at the heart of modern Germany’s malaise. It challenges the elites’ devotion to greenism at all costs.."

    Germany: so much for the ‘grown-up country’

    The model nation for centrist liberals is in political and economic turmoil.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/21/germany-so-much-for-the-grown-up-country/

    "Germany has long occupied a special place in the liberal-elite imagination. Over the past few decades, and especially since the world was upended by the votes for Brexit and Trump, Germany has been held up by the great and good as a model nation. As the rest of the West lost their minds, or so the story goes, Germany remained a paragon of economic efficiency, political maturity and environmental stewardship. The last bulwark of the liberal order in an age of rising populism...

    This elite Germanophilia is best embodied in John Kampfner’s 'Why the Germans
    Do it Better: Notes From a Grown-Up Country'. First published in August 2020, it became an unlikely bestseller in the UK. It received rave reviews and was declared ‘book of the year’ by the Guardian, the New Statesman and The Economist. Its central claim is that Germany has forged ‘a new paradigm in stability’ that the rest of the world ought to follow...
    It is hard to think of any book that has aged quite so badly, quite so quickly...

    Indeed, the news coming out of Germany lately paints a wholly different picture: one of economic collapse and interminable political strife...

    Even though 2024 is just a few weeks old, Germany has already been rocked by huge farmers’ protests, with thousands of tractors blocking cities and motorway junctions this past week alone. It has been crippled by transport workers’ and doctors’ strikes. Factories in its much-vaunted manufacturing
    sector are shutting down and shipping production elsewhere. The federal government is struggling to reckon with a budget crisis and is ushering in a new age of austerity. Data released this week showed that Germany had the worst economic performance last year of any major economy. In the year ahead, it is predicted to have the slowest growth in the G20, apart from Argentina...

    Major firms like BASF – a chemical giant that is older than the German state
    itself – are now closing their factories and offshoring production. Even ‘green’ industries cannot cope. This week, Germany’s largest solar-panel
    producer, Meyer Burger, threatened to shut down its factory in Saxony and relocate to the US..."




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  • From D@21:1/5 to cshenk on Thu Feb 29 22:21:05 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, cshenk wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed
    anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.


    I find him mildly entertaining. He has nothing rational to say, so I can't
    say I bother that much to read what he actually says, but his insults and dismissals when he has no arguments are quite fun. ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 29 22:19:43 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for the >>>>>>> worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>>> evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of >>>> how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    100% true. Bruce, you should check him out, maybe you'll finally get some
    order nad sanity in your life. ;)

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 29 21:36:07 2024
    On 2024-02-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for
    the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy
    blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of
    two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent
    of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    This Jordan Peterson?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

    He's a low-grade nutbar. Not flamboyant enough to really be
    successful as a media personality.

    Oh, this is rich:

    Peterson believes that order is masculine and chaos is feminine, and
    that these qualities are inherent to human existence. To
    Peterson, culture is "symbolically, archetypally, mythically male,"
    while "chaos—the unknown—is symbolically associated with the feminine."

    And, since this is rec.food.cooking: Since 2018 he allegedly stopped
    eathing anything but meat, salt, and water.


    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Feb 29 21:42:42 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>>>> evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of >>>>> how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the >>>> woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how
    the establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European
    nations), the US...


    What we need is for trump to be installed as emperor of the world.


    I SURE will be a HAPPY Camper when THE DONALD wins again, Hank...!!!

    Even now I'm quivering with so much excitement at the prospect that God said to me, "Greg, if
    you get TOO excited you're going to 'vibrate' your way straight up to Heaven...!!!"

    ;-D

    --
    GM

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 15:55:21 2024
    GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of >>>>>>> two evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden.
    Just look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the
    extent of how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership. >>>>>

    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with
    the woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as if
    there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we see how >>>> the establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European
    nations), the US...


    What we need is for trump to be installed as emperor of the world.


    I SURE will be a HAPPY Camper when THE DONALD wins again, Hank...!!!

    Even now I'm quivering with so much excitement at the prospect that God
    said to me, "Greg, if you get TOO excited you're going to 'vibrate' your
    way straight up to Heaven...!!!"

    ;-D


    It's more likely that you'll just ejaculate instead.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Fri Mar 1 09:57:06 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 21:36:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the
    worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for >>>>>>>> the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy >>>>>>> blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of >>>>>> two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent
    of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be
    happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    This Jordan Peterson?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

    He's a low-grade nutbar. Not flamboyant enough to really be
    successful as a media personality.

    Oh, this is rich:

    Peterson believes that order is masculine and chaos is feminine, and
    that these qualities are inherent to human existence. To
    Peterson, culture is "symbolically, archetypally, mythically male,"
    while "chaos—the unknown—is symbolically associated with the feminine."

    And, since this is rec.food.cooking: Since 2018 he allegedly stopped
    eathing anything but meat, salt, and water.

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 19:43:02 2024
    On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 07:41:46 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:27:57 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed >>anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    You're the one who gets all weird when someone disagrees with you.
    You've lived in Japan for too long. You now think, like dsi1 did, that
    you lose face if you admit being wrong about something. Which is a
    problem, because you're wrong half the time you say something.

    Don't blame the Japanese for her - she didn't really 'live' in Japan,
    she was there with the USN.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Thu Feb 29 18:55:26 2024
    On 2/29/2024 6:43 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 07:41:46 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:27:57 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed
    anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    You're the one who gets all weird when someone disagrees with you.
    You've lived in Japan for too long. You now think, like dsi1 did, that
    you lose face if you admit being wrong about something. Which is a
    problem, because you're wrong half the time you say something.

    Don't blame the Japanese for her - she didn't really 'live' in Japan,
    she was there with the USN.

    It's kind of amusing how often she brings up Sasebo considering how long
    ago it was they lived there. It definitely had a strong influence on her.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Fri Mar 1 11:11:28 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:43:02 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 07:41:46 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:27:57 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed >>>anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    You're the one who gets all weird when someone disagrees with you.
    You've lived in Japan for too long. You now think, like dsi1 did, that
    you lose face if you admit being wrong about something. Which is a
    problem, because you're wrong half the time you say something.

    Don't blame the Japanese for her - she didn't really 'live' in Japan,
    she was there with the USN.

    That's United States Navy, my artificially intelligent friend says.
    But I thought she also lived there for a while, and not just on a ship
    in the harbour. Not sure though.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 29 18:44:21 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/29/2024 6:43 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 07:41:46 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:27:57 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's missed >>>> anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.

    You're the one who gets all weird when someone disagrees with you.
    You've lived in Japan for too long. You now think, like dsi1 did, that
    you lose face if you admit being wrong about something. Which is a
    problem, because you're wrong half the time you say something.

    Don't blame the Japanese for her - she didn't really 'live' in Japan,
    she was there with the USN.

    It's kind of amusing how often she brings up Sasebo considering how long
    ago it was they lived there. It definitely had a strong influence on her.

    Jill

    Hell, Popeye was still yammering about the vatican 70 years later. I think
    it must be something about the navy that makes these old sailors so fucked
    up in the head.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 1 09:36:00 2024
    On 2024-02-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two
    evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of
    how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the
    woke movement.

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 1 10:44:29 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 21:36:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 11:04 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 1:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:22:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-28 5:34 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 11:37 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-28 12:05 p.m., songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    The best, though, was her anti-meth awareness campaign whose slogan >>>>>>>>>>> was "Meth.  We're on it."

        lol  based upon how many right-wingers vote for the >>>>>>>>>> worst possible people and think they're just great,
    yeah, we're on it...


    Yeah, right, as if right wingers are the only ones who vote for >>>>>>>>> the worst
    possible candidate. Look at the idiot running Canada.


    But is the alternative any better? He's just a pro-trucker convoy >>>>>>>> blowhard
    with a disciple doing her best to fuck-up Alberta.

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of >>>>>>> two evils.
    I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just >>>>>> look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent >>>>>> of how
    damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know that you won't be >>>>> happy until a country is run by the Ku Klux Clan.

    He's a nutcase beloved by the ultra-right wingers.

    He is anything but a nut case. He is a very calm, rational and well
    qualified man who speaks out against the nonsense of political
    correctness and wokeness. He fuses to used the nonsense self
    identification and non gender specific pronouns. He is extremely
    articulate and he is willing to stand up and defy the woke idiots who
    spend their lives trying to shut him down.

    This Jordan Peterson?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

    He's a low-grade nutbar. Not flamboyant enough to really be
    successful as a media personality.

    Oh, this is rich:

    Peterson believes that order is masculine and chaos is feminine, and
    that these qualities are inherent to human existence. To
    Peterson, culture is "symbolically, archetypally, mythically male,"
    while "chaos—the unknown—is symbolically associated with the feminine."

    And, since this is rec.food.cooking: Since 2018 he allegedly stopped
    eathing anything but meat, salt, and water.

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.


    Not at all. Just look at your wife or female friends and you'll see that
    it is true. Females are more chaotic than men who are more rational and orderly. This is based on biology and brain setup. Oh, and there are two genders determined by X and Y chromosomes.

    Don't be chocked Bruce, deep inside you knew all along! ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Mar 1 20:47:48 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:44:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.

    Not at all. Just look at your wife or female friends and you'll see that
    it is true. Females are more chaotic than men who are more rational and >orderly. This is based on biology and brain setup. Oh, and there are two >genders determined by X and Y chromosomes.

    Don't be chocked Bruce, deep inside you knew all along! ;)

    Dinosaur boomer talk. Enjoy!

    PS: I'm not chocked. Thanks for caring, though.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 1 10:48:31 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser of two >>>> evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden. Just
    look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the extent of
    how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership.


    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with the
    woke movement.

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.

    No, that is incorrect. Woke is an off shoot of socialism trying to exploit differences in groups for political gain. Men against women, men against
    the planet, homos against heteros, black against white... all rich fertile fields for exploitation.

    Naive people buy into this giving some politician power.

    But the thing is, you can never build a stable society this way, but
    coding conflict into it's DNA. What you're seeing in the US is a result of this.

    Only republicans can free the US of the woke strangle hold and find
    win/win solutions.

    Woke:ism in the form of worker against the rich is what caused the soviet
    union to fall, and any country buying this evil and destructive ideology
    (which is just socialism in disguise) will fall as well.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Mar 1 21:13:05 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:48:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.

    No, that is incorrect. Woke is an off shoot of socialism trying to exploit >differences in groups for political gain.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. I know that Trump
    zombies think it has, but I didn't know a Swede could also be this
    poorly informed. Do you live in the US, perhaps?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 1 12:08:53 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:44:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.

    Not at all. Just look at your wife or female friends and you'll see that
    it is true. Females are more chaotic than men who are more rational and
    orderly. This is based on biology and brain setup. Oh, and there are two
    genders determined by X and Y chromosomes.

    Don't be chocked Bruce, deep inside you knew all along! ;)

    Dinosaur boomer talk. Enjoy!

    PS: I'm not chocked. Thanks for caring, though.

    You know I care about you Bruce. Deeply. That is why I continue to try and educate you here. ;)

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  • From Gary@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 06:22:05 2024
    On 2/29/2024 4:42 PM, GM wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    GM wrote:
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-02-29 3:22 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

    I think we can agree that is seems to be a matter of the lesser
    of two evils. I guess we just disagree on which is worse.

    No, the idiot running canada is far worse. Even worse than Biden.
    Just look at how Jordan Peterson is treated there and you see the
    extent of how damaged canada is as a country due to its leadership. >>>>>

    Jordan Peterson has become a hero to the people who are fed up with
    the woke movement.


    I think not only in Canada, but in the whole world. People feel as
    if there's no one on their side, and when that finally happens, we
    see how the establishment in canada is reacting.


    The exact same thing is happening in Germany (amongst other European
    nations), the US...


    What we need is for trump to be installed as emperor of the world.


    I SURE will be a HAPPY Camper when THE DONALD wins again, Hank...!!!

    Even now I'm quivering with so much excitement at the prospect that God
    said to me, "Greg, if you get TOO excited you're going to 'vibrate' your
    way straight up to Heaven...!!!"

    ;-D


    "It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you win!"
    Donald Trump (1989)

    :-D

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 1 11:59:18 2024
    On 2024-03-01, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:44:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.

    Not at all. Just look at your wife or female friends and you'll see that
    it is true. Females are more chaotic than men who are more rational and >>orderly. This is based on biology and brain setup. Oh, and there are two >>genders determined by X and Y chromosomes.

    Don't be chocked Bruce, deep inside you knew all along! ;)

    Dinosaur boomer talk. Enjoy!

    I don't think D knows any women.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 1 13:30:17 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-03-01, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:44:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    A complete idiot. Trust Dave "Mucus" Smith and "D" to love him.

    Not at all. Just look at your wife or female friends and you'll see that >>> it is true. Females are more chaotic than men who are more rational and
    orderly. This is based on biology and brain setup. Oh, and there are two >>> genders determined by X and Y chromosomes.

    Don't be chocked Bruce, deep inside you knew all along! ;)

    Dinosaur boomer talk. Enjoy!

    I don't think D knows any women.

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married to one and she cooks for me! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Mar 1 13:29:10 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:48:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.

    No, that is incorrect. Woke is an off shoot of socialism trying to exploit >> differences in groups for political gain.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. I know that Trump
    zombies think it has, but I didn't know a Swede could also be this
    poorly informed. Do you live in the US, perhaps?


    It has everything to do with socialism. It is just a more refined
    methodology since it doesn't work today, thanks to the blessings of
    capitalism, to exploit the worker/capitalist rivalry. Workers today have
    it too good to care.

    So new fronts are opened as per the message earlier.

    No not US, I left the hell-hole that is sweden (Trump was right btw, in
    his "last night in sweden" speech mainstream media to the contrary) for
    a more libertarian/conservative heaven in eastern europe. =)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Mar 1 09:12:28 2024
    On 2024-03-01 4:36 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.


    It has gone a little overboard.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 14:40:42 2024
    On 2024-03-01, D wrote:

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married
    to one and she cooks for me!

    Excellent! Now we have a food-related subject we
    can use to drive a wedge into your guts.

    So the question is IKEA cafeteria Swedish Meatballs
    vs. the ones your wife cooks for you. Your opinion?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Mar 1 17:04:01 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-01, D wrote:

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married
    to one and she cooks for me!

    Excellent! Now we have a food-related subject we
    can use to drive a wedge into your guts.

    So the question is IKEA cafeteria Swedish Meatballs
    vs. the ones your wife cooks for you. Your opinion?



    Wifes, always. Ikea are ok but not great.

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Mar 1 15:48:29 2024
    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-01, D wrote:

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married
    to one and she cooks for me!

    Excellent! Now we have a food-related subject we
    can use to drive a wedge into your guts.

    So the question is IKEA cafeteria Swedish Meatballs
    vs. the ones your wife cooks for you. Your opinion?


    "Only in the 1970s and 1980s did Sweden expand government dramatically... many of Sweden’s most important businesses, like IKEA and Tetra Pak, fled the country..."


    Au contraire, Mike... let's keep this situation "on - topic", as I'd like to see D's opinion about the following:

    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/johan-norberg

    Recent Research by Johan Norberg

    The Mirage of Swedish Socialism: The Economic History of a Welfare State

    — Aug 17, 2023


    T"he Mirage of Swedish Socialism: The Economic History of a Welfare State" is a pre-release of an upcoming book by the Fraser Institute—part of a new multimedia project, The Realities of Socialism—written by Johan Norberg...

    It shows that despite mischaracterizations by advocates of socialism outside the country, Sweden actually has a long history of comparatively small government, open markets, and competition, with only a temporary experiment with socialist policies in the
    1970s and 80s..."

    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/mirage-of-swedish-socialism-the-economic-history-of-a-welfare-state-parts-1-and-2


    "Much of what the outside world thinks it knows about the Swedish model is wrong. When American politicians like Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez are asked to name an example of a successful socialist economy, they often
    point to Sweden...

    Only in the 1970s and 1980s did Sweden expand government dramatically with more spending, taxation, and regulation. It is reasonable to say that during this time Sweden was moving towards socialism. But that was an aberration in Sweden’s history, an
    aberration that was not associated with success. On the contrary, this was the one period in modern economic history when Sweden lagged behind other industrialized countries...
    Incentives for work and entrepreneurship were weakened, and welfare dependency increased. The private sector stopped creating jobs, real wages stagnated, and many of Sweden’s most important businesses, like IKEA and Tetra Pak, fled the country. Sweden
    ran large budget deficits every year and got stuck in a dangerous spiral of inflation, devaluations, and debts. It ended with a deep financial crisis in the early 1990s that included a brief period when the central bank interest rate rose to 500 percent.

    At that time, Sweden’s political parties decided, often in consensus, to return elements of the older capitalist model. They deregulated the economy, reduced taxes, shrank government, and introduced a set of fiscal rules that has reduced public debt
    substantially. The pension system was reformed and many government-owned businesses were privatized. Sweden abolished taxes on wealth, gifts, and inheritances.

    At the same time, Sweden became a pioneer in privatizing welfare services, making it possible for private providers to compete with public ones on similar terms and funding, and giving citizens the freedom to choose between different providers of elder
    care, health care, preschool, and education, including for-profit businesses. Around a fifth of all tax-funded welfare services are now provided by the private sector.

    With the exception of the size of government, the Swedish economy is now more free-market-oriented than the US economy according to Economic Freedom of the World data. After the new reform period in the 1990s and early 2000s, Sweden once again started
    outperforming other industrialized countries economically, creating new companies and increasing real wages..."


    Also, didya know that Sweden ranks *higher* on the Index of Economic Freedom than does the United States...and so does CANADA...???

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom:

    The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual index and ranking created in 1995 by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal to measure the degree of economic freedom in the world's nations. The creators of the index claim to take an approach
    inspired by Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, that "basic institutions that protect the liberty of individuals to pursue their own economic interests result in greater prosperity for the larger society"

    "The Swedish economy performs well in the key economic freedom pillars of rule of law and regulatory efficiency, facilitated by open-market policies that sustain dynamic trade and investment flows. The well-institutionalized regulatory and legal
    environment encourages entrepreneurial activity, but labor regulations are among Europe’s most rigid. Monetary stability has been well maintained, but inflationary pressure continues. Banking regulations are sensible, and lending practices have been
    prudent. The influx of large numbers of migrants since 2015 and rising gang violence have made immigration a central issue..."

    Sweden's rank: 10

    Canada: 14

    USA: 25

    Interestingly, the formerly communist states of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia (all once part of the old USSR), and the Czech Republic (former CSSR) rank HIGHER than the US on this index...

    The top 10 are:

    1. Singagpore
    2. Switzerland
    3. Ireland
    4. Taiwan
    5. New Zealand
    6. Estonia
    7. Luxembourg
    8. NL
    9. Denmark
    10. Sweden

    LOSERS:

    Cuba: 178
    Venezuela; 179
    North Korea: 180

    DISCUSS...!!!

    :-D

    --
    GM

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Mar 1 16:06:09 2024
    On 2024-03-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-03-01 4:36 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.


    It has gone a little overboard.

    Has it? Have you been harmed or even inconvenienced by it?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 12:00:02 2024
    On 2024-03-01 11:04 a.m., D wrote:


    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-01, D wrote:

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married
    to one and she cooks for me!

    Excellent! Now we have a food-related subject we
    can use to drive a wedge into your guts.

    So the question is IKEA cafeteria Swedish Meatballs
    vs. the ones your wife cooks for you. Your opinion?



    Wifes, always. Ikea are ok but not great.

    I am going to have to say Ikea. My wife has never made meatballs for me.
    Any time we have made meatballs I am the one who made had to make them.
    I have had Ikea meatballs a couple times and they aren't bad.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Mar 2 04:13:45 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:29:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

    It has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. I know that Trump
    zombies think it has, but I didn't know a Swede could also be this
    poorly informed. Do you live in the US, perhaps?

    It has everything to do with socialism. It is just a more refined
    methodology since it doesn't work today, thanks to the blessings of >capitalism, to exploit the worker/capitalist rivalry. Workers today have
    it too good to care.

    So new fronts are opened as per the message earlier.

    No not US, I left the hell-hole that is sweden (Trump was right btw, in
    his "last night in sweden" speech mainstream media to the contrary) for
    a more libertarian/conservative heaven in eastern europe. =)

    People like you live in their own reality. That's why political
    discussions are useless. Enjoy!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 19:15:28 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-03-01, D wrote:

    I know many beautiful women! I'm married
    to one and she cooks for me!

    Excellent! Now we have a food-related subject we
    can use to drive a wedge into your guts.

    So the question is IKEA cafeteria Swedish Meatballs
    vs. the ones your wife cooks for you. Your opinion?


    "Only in the 1970s and 1980s did Sweden expand government dramatically... many of Sweden’s most important businesses, like IKEA and Tetra Pak, fled the
    country..."


    Au contraire, Mike... let's keep this situation "on - topic", as I'd like to see D's opinion about the following: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/johan-norberg

    Recent Research by Johan Norberg

    The Mirage of Swedish Socialism: The Economic History of a Welfare State
    ...
    creating new companies and increasing real wages..."

    Norberg is a great guy, and for the ones listening intently here, I
    recommend to first read his book The Capitalist Manifesto, where he
    explains the evils of socialism.

    As for what he says, it is true from the 1800s something (if memory
    serves) but then the socialists took over. Sweden was on steroids after
    WW2 due to its collaboration with the Nazis which enabled sweden to
    escape without being bombed out, so despite socialism sweden benefited
    greatly. But, like socialists everywhere, they slowly strangle their
    host and the crescendo, as Norberg points out, was in the 70s to 80s
    where I think Astrid Lindgren had a tax rate of 103% or something like
    that. She lost money working and she started the revolution of bringing taxation down. This also led to many companies and brains fleeing the
    country.

    However, what Norberg misses or doesn't write home about is that current
    tax levels are around 65+% making it extremely difficult for salaried
    people to save money. Debt is soaring. So the state is rich, and the
    public is living on debt.

    Add to that, the enormous amount of imported immigrants which do not
    show up in the statistics because the government has no control over
    them, and the figures get even worse.

    After ww2 a worker could afford a house and finance his families needs
    while the wife could take care of the children. In todays sweden, due to socialism, two people are required, and their debt i sky high.

    Since taxes are so high, people cannot save and live on debt instead.
    How can they borrow? Their apartments, due to swedens plan economy that
    makes it difficult to build, and forbids renting out your apartment
    (unless you are a big company) leads to soaring prices on apartments
    which people then borrow against.

    So no, as much as Norberg wants to show it, being swedish, sweden is
    still a socialist paradise where politicians are rich and corruption
    reigns supreme, and workers remain where they are.

    Add to that retirement levels being raised to 72 (I think) and the
    monthly retirement income dropping year by year as well as mandatory
    public indoctrination of children (no home schooling).

    Also, didya know that Sweden ranks *higher* on the Index of Economic Freedom than does the United States...and so does CANADA...???

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom:

    The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual index and ranking created in 1995

    That is actually nonsense if you view it with the default settings. If
    you look at tax burden the list looks like this:

    Top:
    UAE
    Bahrain
    Qatar
    Saudi Arabia
    Vanuatu

    Bottom (leaving out N/A):
    Denmark (worst)
    Austria
    Sweden
    Belgium
    Cuba

    Who would have thought? Cuba better than sweden?

    Then they removed a section about government size relative to the
    private sector they had in previous years where sweden was in the bottom
    as well. Too bad they removed that measuring point.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 19:39:19 2024
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, cshenk wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's
    missed anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.


    I find him mildly entertaining. He has nothing rational to say, so I
    can't say I bother that much to read what he actually says, but his
    insults and dismissals when he has no arguments are quite fun. ;)

    Maybe but I'm over it.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to cshenk@virginia-beach.net on Sat Mar 2 06:42:33 2024
    On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 19:39:19 +0000, "cshenk"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, cshenk wrote:

    Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2024-02-29, D wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:

    I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but I do know

    ?

    Bruce is well-known for expressing opinions on
    things about which he is willfully ignorant.

    And insulting people who disagree with him. I don't think he's
    missed anyone now. He's getting really popular in killfiles now.


    I find him mildly entertaining. He has nothing rational to say, so I
    can't say I bother that much to read what he actually says, but his
    insults and dismissals when he has no arguments are quite fun. ;)

    Maybe but I'm over it.

    That'll teach me not to disagree with you. VERBOTEN!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Mar 2 07:30:21 2024
    On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 09:12:28 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-01 4:36 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Do you know what the "woke movement" really is about? Being fair
    to people who are different from oneself and not hurting them,
    mentally or physically.

    Stay woke, people.


    It has gone a little overboard.

    The underlying principles are often good, but the execution is
    sometimes hysterical.

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