Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
On 2024-02-11 11:48 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
I'm watching bread dough rise! Far more entertaining.
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food.
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
On 2024-02-11, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
The Superbowl is irrelevant to me (except for the Taylor Swift
conspiracy theory). I'll catch the best ads online tomorrow.
Lunch was a quesadilla; dinner is a salad with grilled chicken on it
(lemon vinaigrette).
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
On 2/11/2024 1:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
I made chicken thighs last night so will have one again tonight.
I usually have dinner at 6 and watch the news. I'll do that tonight
also, then at 7, I'll choose one of the shows on the DVR to watch.
I often watch 60 Minutes on Sunday night but seems it is not on today
because of some sports event.
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
On 2024-02-11, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/11/2024 1:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will >>> sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I >>> was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
I made chicken thighs last night so will have one again tonight.
I usually have dinner at 6 and watch the news. I'll do that tonight
also, then at 7, I'll choose one of the shows on the DVR to watch.
I often watch 60 Minutes on Sunday night but seems it is not on today
because of some sports event.
The Puppy Bowl! I'm streaming it right now.
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
On 2024-02-11, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
`
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand
held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork
would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will
live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but
and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and
will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will
sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan
to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I
was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes halftime.
I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback for my college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good.
Then...
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend making >>>> Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend
making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
Who won?
On 2/11/2024 5:58 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend
making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
Well you know how people like to bandy about names like shepherd's pieYou forgot barbecue:-)
vs. cottage pie. I just figured I'd throw this one into the mix. :)
Jill
On 2024-02-11 4:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:58 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend >>>>>>> making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
Well you know how people like to bandy about names like shepherd's pie
vs. cottage pie. I just figured I'd throw this one into the mix. :)
Jill
You forgot barbecue:-)
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 21:36:23 -0700, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-11 4:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:Didn't y'all just decide that barbecue is anything you put barbecue
On 2/11/2024 5:58 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend
making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
Well you know how people like to bandy about names like shepherd's pie
vs. cottage pie. I just figured I'd throw this one into the mix. :)
Jill
You forgot barbecue:-)
sauce over?
Korean BBQ - yeah man, that's where it's at!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mn2WCMKHCxhMRi9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/pUtseGECRAThYVrX8
On 2024-02-11 4:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:58 PM, Graham wrote:You forgot barbecue:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:No! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:It was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise, I intend >>>>>>> making
Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
Jill
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
Jill
Well you know how people like to bandy about names like shepherd's pie
vs. cottage pie. I just figured I'd throw this one into the mix. :)
Jill
On 2024-02-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes halftime.
I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback for my
college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good.
Then...
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
On 2024-02-12, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
Your party is the one who screams "MAGA!" all the time, so you tell me.
Free speech for thee but not for me. You just demonstrated equal
intolerance. Ain't that free speech?
You've just snipped everything that made this discussion meaningful.
I'm done here.
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
On 2024-02-11, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
Your party is the one who screams "MAGA!" all the time, so you tell me.
Free speech for thee but not for me. You just demonstrated equal
intolerance. Ain't that free speech?
On 2024-02-11 5:47 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes halftime.
I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback for my >>> college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good.
Then...
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
What does the First Amendment have to do with it?
It is the NFL, not
the government. It was not a government law that the guy broke. He
chose to make a political statement during the sinking of the national
anthem had a game whose fans tend to be patriotic. Football is big
money and no one in the business should be doing anything to offend the people who spend outrageous amounts of money to attend and whose
sponsors pay big bucks to advertise with.
On 2024-02-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-11 5:47 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes halftime. >>>> I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback for my >>>> college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good.
Then...
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
What does the First Amendment have to do with it?
Political speech is a protected right.
It is the NFL, not
the government. It was not a government law that the guy broke. He
chose to make a political statement during the sinking of the national
anthem had a game whose fans tend to be patriotic. Football is big
money and no one in the business should be doing anything to offend the
people who spend outrageous amounts of money to attend and whose
sponsors pay big bucks to advertise with.
What action did the NFL take? Kaepernick wasn't even benched.
Individual owners didn't sign him after that season. Everybody
exercised their freedom of speech and freedom of association.
If it weren't for a bunch of soreheads on the right (notably
then-President Trump), nobody would have noticed. It would
have amounted to a tempest in a teapot.
Shall we debate whether the national anthem needs to be played at
the start of sporting events? A lot of that performative patriotism
was instituted during the Red Scare. And, of course, the daily
recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools was started to
help turn immigrants' children into model citizens.
On 2024-02-13 4:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-11 5:47 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes
halftime.
I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback
for my
college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good. >>>>> Then...
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment? >>>>
What does the First Amendment have to do with it?
Political speech is a protected right.
You are protected from government prosecution. Individuals can still react. He pissed off the people who pay those outrageous ticket prices
and the sponsors. Look what happened to Bud Light when they had the
twit in a dress telling the world how much he/she likes their piss water
lite beer.They have lost 30% of their sales and that amounts to an
enormous loss for the company who actually paid for that marketing
disaster.
It is the NFL, not
the government. It was not a government law that the guy broke. He
chose to make a political statement during the sinking of the national
anthem had a game whose fans tend to be patriotic. Football is big
money and no one in the business should be doing anything to offend the
people who spend outrageous amounts of money to attend and whose
sponsors pay big bucks to advertise with.
What action did the NFL take? Kaepernick wasn't even benched.
Individual owners didn't sign him after that season. Everybody
exercised their freedom of speech and freedom of association.
If it weren't for a bunch of soreheads on the right (notably
then-President Trump), nobody would have noticed. It would
have amounted to a tempest in a teapot.
But, as you said, it was individual owners who refused to sign him.
The poor bastard used his star status to push a political issue and it backfired on him.
Shall we debate whether the national anthem needs to be played at
the start of sporting events? A lot of that performative patriotism
was instituted during the Red Scare. And, of course, the daily
recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools was started to
help turn immigrants' children into model citizens.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding
your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding
your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer.
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding
your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of political
indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer.
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
On 2024-02-13 4:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-11 5:47 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We're taping the Superbowl. I like the ads, and my wife likes halftime. >>>>> I used to be a Niner fan but lost interest when the NFL went #woke.
I was a big supporter of Kaepernick, since he was the quarterback for my >>>>> college alma mater. He became the Niner's quarterback. Life was good. >>>>> Then...
Then... Free speech happened. Why do you hate the First Amendment?
What does the First Amendment have to do with it?
Political speech is a protected right.
You are protected from government prosecution. Individuals can still
react. He pissed off the people who pay those outrageous ticket prices
and the sponsors. Look what happened to Bud Light when they had the
twit in a dress telling the world how much he/she likes their piss water
lite beer.They have lost 30% of their sales and that amounts to an
enormous loss for the company who actually paid for that marketing
disaster.
It is the NFL, not
the government. It was not a government law that the guy broke. He
chose to make a political statement during the sinking of the national
anthem had a game whose fans tend to be patriotic. Football is big
money and no one in the business should be doing anything to offend the
people who spend outrageous amounts of money to attend and whose
sponsors pay big bucks to advertise with.
What action did the NFL take? Kaepernick wasn't even benched.
Individual owners didn't sign him after that season. Everybody
exercised their freedom of speech and freedom of association.
If it weren't for a bunch of soreheads on the right (notably
then-President Trump), nobody would have noticed. It would
have amounted to a tempest in a teapot.
But, as you said, it was individual owners who refused to sign him.
The poor bastard used his star status to push a political issue and it backfired on him.
Shall we debate whether the national anthem needs to be played at
the start of sporting events? A lot of that performative patriotism
was instituted during the Red Scare. And, of course, the daily
recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools was started to
help turn immigrants' children into model citizens.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding
your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:11:43 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding >>>> your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of politicalAs long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer. >>>>
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:11:43 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding >>> your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of politicalAs long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer.
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:11:43 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and holding >>>> your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of politicalAs long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not public prayer. >>>>
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:09:32 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/11/2024 1:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Forget about the nice Sunday dinner for this week. Superbowl calls hand >> >>> held food. I am not allowed to do wings but my wife thought pulled pork >> >>> would be a better choice. I don't understand her rationale, but I will >> >>> live with it. I made up a dry rub yesterday, applied it to the pork but >> >>> and left it in the fridge overnight. I put it into the oven at noon and >> >>> will give it about 6 hours. I just made a batch of coleslaw and it will >> >>> sit and do its flavour melding thing for a few hours.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can view it on a station that will run
the good American ads. It's always been a strange concept to me to plan >> >>> to watch the ads as a form of entertainment. I give the advertisers
credit for making their new ads a highlight. I still remember seeing
the cat herding ad on the Superbowl show a few years ago. Unlike Jill, I >> >>> was so entertained by the cats that I didn't absorb the fact it was
advertising EDS, but I do remember that was H Ross Perot's company.
I made chicken thighs last night so will have one again tonight.
I usually have dinner at 6 and watch the news. I'll do that tonight
also, then at 7, I'll choose one of the shows on the DVR to watch.
I often watch 60 Minutes on Sunday night but seems it is not on today
because of some sports event.
The Puppy Bowl! I'm streaming it right now.
I've been watching the Puppy Bowl! Too cute. Oh, and old reruns of
'Columbo' (Peter Falk) on another channel.
Yep, those 70s police shows are addictive.
On 2024-02-13 10:05 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:11 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
This is one issue where this non believer wished people would follow the
words of Jesus in Matthew 6 where he tells people to go to their rooms,
shut the door and pray in private.
One can believe what the hell one likes but there must be
restrictions on putting those beliefs into action.
Therefore, "Religious Freedom" must have some limitations.
On 2024-02-13 10:11 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
This is one issue where this non believer wished people would follow the words of Jesus in Matthew 6 where he tells people to go to their rooms,
shut the door and pray in private.
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
On 2/11/2024 11:36 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 4:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:58 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 3:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 5:23 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-11 3:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 4:59 PM, Graham wrote:
While taking breaks from watching the bread dough rise,
I intend making Welsh Rabbit, possibly in the air
fryer.
Welsh rabbit or rarebit?
JillIt was originally spelt "rabbit" according to Davidson's
"Oxford Companion To Food".
Yes, but there is no rabbit involved. ;)
JillNo! The name? Lost in the mists of time:-)
Well you know how people like to bandy about names like
shepherd's pie vs. cottage pie. I just figured I'd throw this
one into the mix. :)
JillYou forgot barbecue:-)
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:38:58 +0000, S Viemeister...
The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of >Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:desecration of the club/president.
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >> >> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the start of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote:
In elementary school we always started the day with the Pledge of Allegiance >and yes, facing the flag with hand over heart. I don't remember any patriotic >song or prayer, but occasionally a reading from the Bible.
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >> >> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
I doubt it as well.I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
Do you know if they still do that?
The 'under God' was added, if I'm not mistaken, by Eisenhower.
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 9:59:42 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:41:39 -0700, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:05 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
On 2024-02-13 10:11 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
This is one issue where this non believer wished people would follow the >> >> words of Jesus in Matthew 6 where he tells people to go to their rooms, >> >> shut the door and pray in private.
One can believe what the hell one likes but there must be
restrictions on putting those beliefs into action.
Therefore, "Religious Freedom" must have some limitations.
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
My guess is euthanasia is going to be trending in the future.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/11/former-dutch-prime-minister-and-wife-euthanised-together/
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:48:56 +0000, S Viemeister
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>>> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:desecration of the club/president.
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >> >> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the start of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:04:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote:
In elementary school we always started the day with the Pledge of Allegiance >>and yes, facing the flag with hand over heart. I don't remember any patriotic
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>> >> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
song or prayer, but occasionally a reading from the Bible.
I doubt it as well.I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
Do you know if they still do that?
The 'under God' was added, if I'm not mistaken, by Eisenhower.
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>> the lack of bible reading...
What if children don't believe in God? It's not very inclusive.
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best answer is
'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that some try to force
a method or a seasoning type.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
"Under God" was added in the 1950s to combat the Red Menace.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>>> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
"Under God" was added in the 1950s to combat the Red Menace.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 3:58:36 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised when myA barbecue can be defined both ways. Either as a method of cooking or as
brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was steaks. He
explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a specific way.
a function aka get together. But people do tend to think of barbecue as meats
that have been cooked low and slow.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:41:39 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:05 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:11 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
This is one issue where this non believer wished people would follow the >>> words of Jesus in Matthew 6 where he tells people to go to their rooms,
shut the door and pray in private.
One can believe what the hell one likes but there must be
restrictions on putting those beliefs into action.
Therefore, "Religious Freedom" must have some limitations.
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:03:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the startPatriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most
times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I
liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
desecration of the club/president.
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:desecration of the club/president.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:03:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote: >>>> On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a >>>>>>> praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the >>>>>>> bible belt?The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>>>>> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant >>>>>> version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>>> the lack of bible reading...
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the start of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
Patriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.
On 2024-02-13 5:14 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 3:58:36 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised when my >>> brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was steaks. HeA barbecue can be defined both ways. Either as a method of cooking or as >> a function aka get together. But people do tend to think of barbecue
explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a specific way.
as meats
that have been cooked low and slow.
Some people down there might think of BBQ as meats cooks low and slow.The latter is what most of the rest of the world would view as BBQ.
Up this way BBQ is generally something cooked hot and fast over direct
heat.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:desecration of the club/president.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:03:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote: >> >> On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a >> >> >>> praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in theThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with
bible belt?
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >> >> the lack of bible reading...
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the start of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
Patriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.
On 13/02/2024 21:48, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:Ah, yes - the godless commies.
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a >>>>>> praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the >>>>>> bible belt?The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day
with
the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>> the lack of bible reading...
"Under God" was added in the 1950s to combat the Red Menace.
On 13/02/2024 21:32, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:48:56 +0000, S ViemeisterThat's what I thought!
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>> the lack of bible reading...
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
All students were required to take turns reading the psalms to the class
- I made a point of finding the shortest one I could.
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:41:39 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:05 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 10:11 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
As long as freedom FROM religion is accepted.
I would be dine with no anthem at sports events. Standing up and
holding your hat over your heart in a public setting is form of
political indoctrination. I support freedom of religion but not
public prayer.
This is one issue where this non believer wished people would follow the >>>> words of Jesus in Matthew 6 where he tells people to go to their rooms, >>>> shut the door and pray in private.
One can believe what the hell one likes but there must be
restrictions on putting those beliefs into action.
Therefore, "Religious Freedom" must have some limitations.
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know a few >people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful death.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:48:56 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
On 13/02/2024 16:33, Bruce wrote:
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and aThe _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>>> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the
bible belt?
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant
version of the Lord's Prayer.
Do you know if they still do that?
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of >>Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>the lack of bible reading...
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
On 2024-02-13 6:33 p.m., Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Usually where education is respected.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/11/former-dutch-prime-minister-and-wife-euthanised-together/
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait. Going overboard with it in public events is a different matter and seen as a negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from places like North Korea, China and the US.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>> >>that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to
be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Even though he's [all that stuff], he's God's chosen instrument.
Leo always snips too much.
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:15:19 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:on a statewide level.
On 2024-02-13 6:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait. Going
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:03:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the startPatriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most
times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I
liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
desecration of the club/president.
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.
overboard with it in public events is a different matter and seen as a
negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from places like North
Korea, China and the US.
There's a bill proposed to ban foreigners from buying property in Hawaii. Mostly this would affect the Canadians, not the Chinese or Koreans. Maybe they should close off all external sales of property in Hawaii. What we're seeing here is gentrification
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/legislative-bills-aim-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-property-in-hawaii/article_bb119fa8-c56c-11ee-bb48-6f1c1304fb5e.html
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>> >>that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>> >be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>> >are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Even though he's [all that stuff], he's God's chosen instrument.
On 2/14/2024 1:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
No, no, no. He is a deeply religious man. There is even a photo of him >holding a bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John%27s_Church
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:gentrification on a statewide level.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:07:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:15:19 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 6:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait. Going
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:03:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1
In my club, we'll say the pledge of allegiance before the startPatriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
of a meeting. We'll also pledge allegiance to our club. Most
times we'll also say a prayer. When I was the club president, I
liked to dispense with all that but it's really at the
desecration of the club/president.
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.
overboard with it in public events is a different matter and seen as a
negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from places like North >> >> Korea, China and the US.
There's a bill proposed to ban foreigners from buying property in Hawaii. Mostly this would affect the Canadians, not the Chinese or Koreans. Maybe they should close off all external sales of property in Hawaii. What we're seeing here is
My guess is that da Hawaiians are going to try to take over Las Vegas. We don't want the whole state - just the area around Las Vegas. We ain't a greedy people and who the heck wants land in the desert anyway?There's no mention of Canadians or Koreans in the article :)
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/legislative-bills-aim-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-property-in-hawaii/article_bb119fa8-c56c-11ee-bb48-6f1c1304fb5e.html
I mention the Canadians because at one time, they constituted the largest block of foreign buyers in Hawaii. Beats me why that is - it hardly ever snows in these parts. My guess is that the Japanese are buying more properties these days but I can't say.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:28:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:44:30 -0500, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/14/2024 1:34 PM, Bruce wrote:cross would do to a vampire.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1...@dont-email.me>,
Br...@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >> >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >> >>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >> >>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
No, no, no. He is a deeply religious man. There is even a photo of him
holding a bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John%27s_Church >> I remember that. You'd expect that Bible to burn his hands, like a
Who the fuck ever holds a bible like that? Obviously, the man has a very twisted relationship with the good book.
"Look, I'm holding this book - happy now?"
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:15:19 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait.
Going overboard with it in public events is a different matter and
seen as a negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from
places like North Korea, China and the US.
There's a bill proposed to ban foreigners from buying property in
Hawaii. Mostly this would affect the Canadians, not the Chinese or
Koreans. Maybe they should close off all external sales of property
in Hawaii. What we're seeing here is gentrification on a statewide
level.
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/legislative-bills-aim-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-property-in-hawaii/article_bb119fa8-c56c-11ee-bb48-6f1c1304fb5e.html
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life'
are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
On 2024-02-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Patriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
Obviously! When the sea reclaims the land, there won't even be a
Netherlands.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof
of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
When I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to
learn the pledge all over again. :)
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best answer
is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that some try
to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised when
my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was
steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a specific
way.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:42:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>> >>that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>> >be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> >are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the >>>>> >sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Even though he's [all that stuff], he's God's chosen instrument.
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
On 2024-02-14 3:07 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:15:19 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait.
Going overboard with it in public events is a different matter and
seen as a negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from
places like North Korea, China and the US.
There's a bill proposed to ban foreigners from buying property in
Hawaii. Mostly this would affect the Canadians, not the Chinese or
Koreans. Maybe they should close off all external sales of property
in Hawaii. What we're seeing here is gentrification on a statewide
level.
I am not quite sure what the problem is with gentrification. It seems
that a lot of major cities had issues with run down houses and sketchy neighbourhoods downtown. Gentrification is a matter of acquiring those
old buildings that need a lot of work, cleaning them up and upgrading
them to make them attractive homes in desirable neighbourhoods. I guess
the problem is that some people think that we need to leave derelict
housing in shitty neighbourhoods for the poor people.
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/legislative-bills-aim-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-property-in-hawaii/article_bb119fa8-c56c-11ee-bb48-6f1c1304fb5e.html
Foreign ownership is being blamed for some of the outrageous prices for housing these days. People don't like it when foreigners come in and buy
up housing, driving prices skyward, especially when there is a housing shortage and many of the houses are sitting empty.
We have a similar type of problem that is fallout from the Toronto
housing prices. People around here used to be able to work their way to better homes, getting a starter home and moving to nicer homes as their
lot improved, or seniors could downsize, selling their family homes and moving into smaller units and pocketing the difference. The people from Toronto have discovered this area and they are retiring here. They are selling their homes in the city and buying houses here for a fraction of
what they got for their old on and pocketing the difference. The locals
are getting much higher prices for their old homes, but they end up
having to pay a fortune for another home.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
Bruce wrote:
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right? Quit trolling for comments.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
On 2024-02-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
Do you comprehend Zeitgiest? I know you can say it. Now, look up the >definition. It's important!
On 2024-02-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 3:07 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:15:19 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
That's a rather interesting, unusual, attitude.Up here loyalty to the country is generally a positive trait.
Going overboard with it in public events is a different matter and
seen as a negative. We tend to snicker at the things we see from
places like North Korea, China and the US.
There's a bill proposed to ban foreigners from buying property in
Hawaii. Mostly this would affect the Canadians, not the Chinese or
Koreans. Maybe they should close off all external sales of property
in Hawaii. What we're seeing here is gentrification on a statewide
level.
I am not quite sure what the problem is with gentrification. It seems
that a lot of major cities had issues with run down houses and sketchy
neighbourhoods downtown. Gentrification is a matter of acquiring those
old buildings that need a lot of work, cleaning them up and upgrading
them to make them attractive homes in desirable neighbourhoods. I guess
the problem is that some people think that we need to leave derelict
housing in shitty neighbourhoods for the poor people.
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/legislative-bills-aim-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-property-in-hawaii/article_bb119fa8-c56c-11ee-bb48-6f1c1304fb5e.html
Foreign ownership is being blamed for some of the outrageous prices for
housing these days. People don't like it when foreigners come in and buy
up housing, driving prices skyward, especially when there is a housing
shortage and many of the houses are sitting empty.
We have a similar type of problem that is fallout from the Toronto
housing prices. People around here used to be able to work their way to
better homes, getting a starter home and moving to nicer homes as their
lot improved, or seniors could downsize, selling their family homes and
moving into smaller units and pocketing the difference. The people from
Toronto have discovered this area and they are retiring here. They are
selling their homes in the city and buying houses here for a fraction of
what they got for their old on and pocketing the difference. The locals
are getting much higher prices for their old homes, but they end up
having to pay a fortune for another home.
And that's the problem. Gentrification prices out existing residents-- >especially when those residents are renters as is often the case in
urban settings.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly,
churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have
added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the
sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof
of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Bruce wrote:
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right? Quit trolling for comments.
On 14 Feb 2024 22:23:28 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
When I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to >>learn the pledge all over again. :)
I can just see young Leonard go "one Nation under... under... Under
who again?"
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Patriotism is frowned upon or laughed at in the Netherlands.
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
On 2024-02-14 5:50 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right? Quit trolling for comments.
He trolls for the reaction, and you keep reinforcing his idiocy.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly, >>>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>>> added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the >>>>>> sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof
of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best answer
is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that some try
to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised when
my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was
steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a specific
way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA has
a huge variation as you've seen here.
to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some parts are
called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ sauce to baste
steaks.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:23:28 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
When I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to >>>learn the pledge all over again. :)
I can just see young Leonard go "one Nation under... under... Under
who again?"
Pretty close. :)
On 2024-02-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
We have a similar type of problem that is fallout from the Toronto
housing prices. People around here used to be able to work their way to
better homes, getting a starter home and moving to nicer homes as their
lot improved, or seniors could downsize, selling their family homes and
moving into smaller units and pocketing the difference. The people from
Toronto have discovered this area and they are retiring here. They are
selling their homes in the city and buying houses here for a fraction of
what they got for their old on and pocketing the difference. The locals
are getting much higher prices for their old homes, but they end up
having to pay a fortune for another home.
And that's the problem. Gentrification prices out existing residents-- especially when those residents are renters as is often the case in
urban settings.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof
of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Bruce wrote:
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right? Quit trolling for comments.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:42:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly, >>>>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>>>> added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the >>>>>>> sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Even though he's [all that stuff], he's God's chosen instrument.
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
God moves in mysterious ways.
I'm sure you're aware that questioning him is frowned upon.
On 2024-02-14 6:08 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
It's strange that the American conservative Christians
can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the
Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if
you have proof
of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
I would suggest that there is a wide range of "christians" I
grew up in a WASP neighbourhood. We were relatively lax
compared to the Catholics, but there were some things that were
not done on Sunday. We didn't mow the lawn or use chainsaws
that would disturb neighbours. I now live in a rural area and
for a number of years I had Dutch neighbours who were some
brand of Reformed, strict Protestants. They were hard working
people who were up at working early in the morning and worked
through to late in the evening. We never heard a peep from them
or even saw them on Sundays.
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to enlighten us
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
with delicious vegetarian recipes.
On 2024-02-14 6:08 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof >>> of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
I would suggest that there is a wide range of "christians" I grew up in
a WASP neighbourhood. We were relatively lax compared to the Catholics,
but there were some things that were not done on Sunday. We didn't mow
the lawn or use chainsaws that would disturb neighbours. I now live in
a rural area and for a number of years I had Dutch neighbours who were
some brand of Reformed, strict Protestants. They were hard working
people who were up at working early in the morning and worked through to
late in the evening. We never heard a peep from them or even saw them on >Sundays.
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know a few people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful death.
On 2/13/2024 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are
properly cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I
know a few people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and
extremely painful death.
offer is doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely
their cognition) until they eventually die, if it is their
express wish to die sooner why not let them have the option?
Jill
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
On 2024-02-14 5:57 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
We have a similar type of problem that is fallout from the Toronto
housing prices. People around here used to be able to work their way to >>> better homes, getting a starter home and moving to nicer homes as their
lot improved, or seniors could downsize, selling their family homes and
moving into smaller units and pocketing the difference. The people from
Toronto have discovered this area and they are retiring here. They are
selling their homes in the city and buying houses here for a fraction of >>> what they got for their old on and pocketing the difference. The locals >>> are getting much higher prices for their old homes, but they end up
having to pay a fortune for another home.
And that's the problem. Gentrification prices out existing residents--
especially when those residents are renters as is often the case in
urban settings.
Some might argue that the work that goes into rehabilitating these
rundown houses would employ some of those impoverished residents and
provide them a chance to improve their lives. Downtown businesses
thrive on workers and customers and it might be seen as beneficial to
have them living nearby, perhaps within walking distance or at least
within easy commuting distance. It could be better for the city as a
whole to have them living nearby rather than having urban no go zones.
On 2/13/2024 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know a few
people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful death.
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why
not let them have the option?
Jill
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best answer
is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that some try
to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised when
my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was
steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a specific
way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA has
a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are generally wrong
to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some parts are
called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ sauce to baste
steaks.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:11 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me >>>>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday
shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly, >>>>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>>>> added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the >>>>>>> sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that
Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof >>>of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Careful Lucretia, cshenk and Dave Smith will accuse you of trolling.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:Weird.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>> the lack of bible reading...
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to
learn the pledge all over again. :)
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that part.
On 2/14/2024 5:50 PM, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a
BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The
best answer
is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that
some try
to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was
surprised when
my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it was
steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a
specific
way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in
the USA has
a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are
generally wrong
to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some
parts are
called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ sauce
to baste
steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant
and order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east
with a vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a
mustard sauce.
My preference is the eastern style. I visited NC some years
ago and had it and went on a quest to learn how to make it myself.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:Weird.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>> the lack of bible reading...
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to
learn the pledge all over again. :)
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that part.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is >>doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition) >>until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why >>not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
Bruce wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:16:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:11 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very strange to me
that they force religion on children like that.
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it used to >>>>>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no Sunday >>>>>>>> shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are shrinking visibly, >>>>>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing what's left of those
congregations into the one. Even funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>>>>> are rarely held in churches but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>>>>> added rooms for the purpose.
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be the >>>>>>>> sex they choose :)
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see that >>>>> Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have proof >>>>of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Careful Lucretia, cshenk and Dave Smith will accuse you of trolling.
Ask me how much I care???
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:Weird.
On 2/14/2024 7:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >> >>> the lack of bible reading...
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to >> >> learn the pledge all over again. :)
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that part.
and Korean basturds. It can't hurt!!!It was 1954, Eisenhower signed the bill. I was in 4th grade at the time.
As pointed out before, it works. The commies have not bombed us.
You're certainly right about that. OTOH, the commies have become more powerful and nuttier than ever! We're gonna need even more words added to our beloved pledge. I'm thinking that adding the word "Trump" in there would ingratiate us with those Russian
On 2/14/2024 6:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Depends on the region. In many places, like here in FL, there is no "downtown" but plenty of new homes, often bought by people moving to the state with money in the bank. Prices have been driven up, especially
the past five years.
There is a small strip type shopping center about a mile from me. The people that work in the stores cannot afford to buy or rent a house
close by. If they make $20/hr, more than half their pay would do to a modest rental apartment.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 3:52:04 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:part. Weird.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 17:44:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
On 2/14/2024 7:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge >> >> >> of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
learn the pledge all over again. :)
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that
Russian and Korean basturds. It can't hurt!!!It was 1954, Eisenhower signed the bill. I was in 4th grade at the time. >> >>
As pointed out before, it works. The commies have not bombed us.
You're certainly right about that. OTOH, the commies have become more powerful and nuttier than ever! We're gonna need even more words added to our beloved pledge. I'm thinking that adding the word "Trump" in there would ingratiate us with those
If Trump wins the election Ukraine will be fucked. Trump's not able to
look at the bigger picture. He only sees the immediate cost. Anyway,
people with a working brain already know these things and the others
will never get it.
Here's Putin's endorsement on the presidential race. That commie bastard is using reverse psychology on the American people! It's enough to make you puke!!!
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3251991/vladimir-putin-says-he-prefers-more-predictable-joe-biden-over-donald-trump
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:19:08 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries. >>>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to >>>>go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:Weird.
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >> > the lack of bible reading...
of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to
learn the pledge all over again. :)
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that part.
Bruce wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell >><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western countries.
Maybe the US is dragging behind.
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 17:44:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1Weird.
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
On 2/14/2024 7:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-13, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge ofWhen I attended first grade in 1952, 'under God' was not in the pledge >>> >> of allegiance. It was added in the second or third grade, and we had to >>> >> learn the pledge all over again. :)
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for
the lack of bible reading...
Indeed, you truly must be an old one. I didn't even know that there was a second version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Without the "under God" part, the pledge just loses it's timing/meter. I can't even remember what follows if I leave out that part.
Russian and Korean basturds. It can't hurt!!!It was 1954, Eisenhower signed the bill. I was in 4th grade at the time. >>>
As pointed out before, it works. The commies have not bombed us.
You're certainly right about that. OTOH, the commies have become more powerful and nuttier than ever! We're gonna need even more words added to our beloved pledge. I'm thinking that adding the word "Trump" in there would ingratiate us with those
If Trump wins the election Ukraine will be fucked. Trump's not able to
look at the bigger picture. He only sees the immediate cost. Anyway,
people with a working brain already know these things and the others
will never get it.
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:19:08 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
Yeah, I used to think that. Now I think that some people are just
wired to need the security blanket that religion provides.
Unfortunately, other people are more than willing to exploit that need.
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 17:44:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
If Trump wins the election Ukraine will be fucked. Trump's not able to
look at the bigger picture. He only sees the immediate cost. Anyway,
people with a working brain already know these things and the others
will never get it.
Trump is completely transactional. I'm not sure he cares about the
cost, as long as he gets something in return. When he assumed office,
he didn't know that the NATO treaty obligates us to come to the defense
of other signatories. When it was explained to him, he was incredulous
that any country would aid another without an explicit quid pro quo.
Here's what he said: "You mean, if Russia attacked Lithuania, we would
go to war with Russia? That's crazy!"
I'm pretty sure that I learned about NATO in high school. Trump must
have paid someone to take that test for him.
Bruce wrote:
Amazing that God would choose a man who doesn't believe in anything
but himself.
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right?
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:26:01 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is >>>doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition) >>>until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why >>>not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due >>course I hope.
Australia's still struggling with the concept. A few states have
organised it. Our state (NSW) hasn't. I don't know what's stopping
them. I know that right-wing Americans often think that when
euthanasia's allowed, your relatives can come and kill you for the >inheritance. Ghe ghe.
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:19:08 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
Yeah, I used to think that. Now I think that some people are just
wired to need the security blanket that religion provides.
Unfortunately, other people are more than willing to exploit that need.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:44:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:19:08 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
Yeah, I used to think that. Now I think that some people are just
wired to need the security blanket that religion provides.
Unfortunately, other people are more than willing to exploit that need.
Yes, it's a nice security blanket and answers all the questions. But
if they're better educated they might remain religious but stop having
all these retarded ideas about everything.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:13:25 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
Here it is mainly people with disabilities who think that way. There
was a sad case here in Halifax. Woman diagnosed with a brain tumour
wanted MAiD, applied and was granted it late summer, she asked that it
be done just after Xmas as she wanted to spend that last Xmas with her mother. They said risky because if the tumour caused her mental
stability to waver she would not be entitled to sign the last minute documents as she needed to be of sound mind. So in the end, she died
early October, in case...
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a mustard sauce.
No argument there. I've met any number of smart, educated
people for whom belief in God provides great comfort.
On 14 Feb 2024 22:35:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
Do you comprehend Zeitgiest? I know you can say it. Now, look up the >>definition. It's important!
I know what Zeitgeist is. You're saying that forcing religion on
children, at a public school, is a matter of Zeitgeist. I don't doubt
that.
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, it's a nice security blanket and answers all the questions. But
if they're better educated they might remain religious but stop having
all these retarded ideas about everything.
No argument there. I've met any number of smart, educated people
for whom belief in God provides great comfort.
There ought'a be a law! Oh wait, I'm sure there is.
Ed P wrote :
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and order
barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a mustard sauce.
Isn't NC pulled pork made from smoked pork butt?
I tend to think that what folks call low and slow is "smoked" or
"BBQ", while cooked high and fast is "BBQ" or "grilled". But I'm a
heathen. What do I know?
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:13:25 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:26:01 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a >>>clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due >>>course I hope.
Australia's still struggling with the concept. A few states have
organised it. Our state (NSW) hasn't. I don't know what's stopping
them. I know that right-wing Americans often think that when
euthanasia's allowed, your relatives can come and kill you for the >>inheritance. Ghe ghe.
Here it is mainly people with disabilities who think that way. There
was a sad case here in Halifax. Woman diagnosed with a brain tumour
wanted MAiD, applied and was granted it late summer, she asked that it
be done just after Xmas as she wanted to spend that last Xmas with her >mother. They said risky because if the tumour caused her mental
stability to waver she would not be entitled to sign the last minute >documents as she needed to be of sound mind. So in the end, she died
early October, in case...
In article
<PcydnaYw4og63lD4nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com>,
cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
You do know no one gives a rats ass for your opinion from Austrailia on
our political candidatesis right?
Americans can't have it both ways.
If,or should one say, while you are still the most
powerful country in the world, OF COURSE the rest of the
world has a view on your politics and leaders because
USA's agenda and behaviour has a global impact.
Your leaders, your political system WILL be held up to
world scrutiny, and compared to others. Sooner or later,
you will alienate others. Sooner or later, some of your
global critics will become richer than USA, more powerful,
better armed.
If your country was better educated, its voters would
try to avoid repeating historic disasters, like re-
electing a crazed despot criminal so he can ruin your
nation.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:35:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
Do you comprehend Zeitgiest? I know you can say it. Now, look up the >>>definition. It's important!
I know what Zeitgeist is. You're saying that forcing religion on
children, at a public school, is a matter of Zeitgeist. I don't doubt
that.
Would you drop a bomb on Hiroshima? Western Zeitgeist of 1945 says you
would. Personally, I wouldn't think of it, but I don't pretend to know
the Zeitgeist of 1945. Do you, and if so, how?
Do you think JFK would look at this junked up World and say, "This is
what I was striving towards! It all came together as I had planned",
while rubbing his hands together and snickering?
Don't pretend to know the mind you would have had if born in 1920.
Zeitgeist!
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:44:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:19:08 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
like someone into religion will see evil in every
shadow so goes the radical conservatives who see
the false boogeyman of socialism everywhere and
they are threatened!
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
It's been said here before, including by you: Educate them and dispel
their medieval fears and hangups!
Yeah, I used to think that. Now I think that some people are just
wired to need the security blanket that religion provides.
Unfortunately, other people are more than willing to exploit that need.
Yes, it's a nice security blanket and answers all the questions. But
if they're better educated they might remain religious but stop having
all these retarded ideas about everything.
No argument there. I've met any number of smart, educated people
for whom belief in God provides great comfort.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 14 Feb 2024 22:39:48 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
One can't worship a god and a government at the same time. God had to
go. Score one for socialism!
There is your "socialism" again. I bet that when you step into a dog
turd, it's also the fault of socialism.
There ought'a be a law! Oh wait, I'm sure there is.
songbird wrote:...
god help us that people actually get decent care,
education, food, water and clean air, no matter
where they live in this country.
Amazingly, that's _not_ socialism.
Socialism is where the means of production, distribution, and
exchange is owned by the community as a whole. It's a fine
system when it's voluntary and at small scale, but it just
doesn't take human nature into account.
Provision of social services such as health care, etc., is not
incompatible with capitalism, as we see in every Western democracy
except the benighted United States--where everything is assumed
to be a zero-sum game.
On 2024-02-14 5:50 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ
or slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best
answer is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that
some try to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised
when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it
was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a
specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA
has a huge variation as you've seen here.
It was my brother's son in law who said it was a specific dish.
The steaks are generally wrong
to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some parts are
called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ sauce to baste steaks.
Well that's the thing. Around here, we have gas and charcoal cooking apparatuses that we call BBQs or barbeques. When we cook things on
them it is BBQed, and it is most often hot and fast, not slow and
basted. Cooking out in the yard or on the patio is BBQing.
On 2/14/2024 5:50 PM, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ
or slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best
answer is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that
some try to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised
when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it
was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a
specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA
has a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are generally
wrong to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some
parts are called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ
sauce to baste steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a mustard
sauce.
My preference is the eastern style. I visited NC some years ago and
had it and went on a quest to learn how to make it myself.
Ed P wrote :
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a mustard
sauce.
Isn't NC pulled pork made from smoked pork butt?
I tend to think that what folks call low and slow is "smoked" or
"BBQ", while cooked high and fast is "BBQ" or "grilled". But I'm a
heathen. What do I know?
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
enlighten us with delicious vegetarian recipes.
You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:31:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
heyjoe wrote:
Isn't NC pulled pork made from smoked pork butt?Varies on cooking method. People do it at home in ovens or crockpots
too.
I tend to think that what folks call low and slow is "smoked" orDon't worry. The USA is a big place.
"BBQ", while cooked high and fast is "BBQ" or "grilled". But I'm a
heathen. What do I know?
Da Hawaiians made pulled pork the hard way. The cooked it with hot stones underground. There was no sauce - just salt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2BZ0eJlJ3Y
Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
enlighten us with delicious vegetarian recipes.
You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
Bruce, you haven't been paying attention to the people here, to what
they cook. Many of us are close to vegetarian
and go several days just
naturally with meatless days during the week. I'm the farthest along
that eating pattern but I've always done a lot of that in my life. 4
day strings of it are common and have been mentioned.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
<Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce
strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very
used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, noI don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it
Sunday >>>>> shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are
shrinking visibly, >>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing
what's left of those >>>>> congregations into the one. Even
funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches
but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>> added rooms for the
purpose.
the >>>>> sex they choose :)I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be
countries. >>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.Organised religion has been on the decline in many western
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
that >> Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's theIt's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see
Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Ed P wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:50 PM, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ
or slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best
answer is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that
some try to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised
when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it
was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a
specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA
has a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are generally
wrong to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some
parts are called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ
sauce to baste steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
He's talking a steak Ed. Like t-bone and such.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a mustard
sauce.
My preference is the eastern style. I visited NC some years ago and
had it and went on a quest to learn how to make it myself.
I've had both and other variations made with oil, vinegar and spices.
Used on meats like chicken or ribs (whole cuts, not shredded).
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on Sundays.
Ed P wrote:
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was surprised
when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing dinner and it
was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific dish and done a
specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the USA
has a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are generally
wrong to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on what in some
parts are called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful they used a BBQ
sauce to baste steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
He's talking a steak Ed. Like t-bone and such.
On 2/13/2024 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know aIf someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
few people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful
death.
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why
not let them have the option?
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why
not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
<Bruce@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:10:03 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <uqh597$2b6qn$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 21:17:34 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:32:02 +1100, Bruce
strange to me >>>>>> that they force religion on children like that.
Assuming it's a public school, like yours was, it's very
used to >>>>> be smothered in religion, churches packed on Sunday, no
I don't think it will matter too much longer. Where I live it
Sunday >>>>> shopping, etc etc etc. Now? Congregations are
shrinking visibly, >>>>> churches are selling two and absorbing
what's left of those >>>>> congregations into the one. Even
funerals, or 'celebrations of life' >>>>> are rarely held in churches
but rather in funeral homes which have >>>>> added rooms for the
purpose.
the >>>>> sex they choose :)
I am not sure about religion in schools, it seems to be more
controversial these days about whether schools allow kids to be
countries. >>>> Maybe the US is dragging behind.
Organised religion has been on the decline in many western
that >> Trump is the least religious man on the planet. He's the
Probably so that any POTUS can claim to have God on
their side.
It's strange that the American conservative Christians can't see
Antichrist.
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on Sundays.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Whooosh!
On 2024-02-15 3:16 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
And in business dealings with these people, watch out! They'll swindle
you given half a chance. Bible-believing be damned!
On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
A woman where I used to work belonged to Assembly of God. The family
spent the day on Sunday with various church activities. Some were the
actual service, others more social.
They moved from MN to PA so she could be the choir director for the
church. Their lives revolved around church activities a few night in
the week also.
Both kids went to Oral Roberts University. Daughter got kicked out
though. Seems she had rounded heels.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/13/2024 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly
cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know a few >>> people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful death. >>>
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why
not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
On 2024-02-15 3:16 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
And in business dealings with these people, watch out! They'll swindle
you given half a chance. Bible-believing be damned!
On 2024-02-13, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:04:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote: >>>>
On 13/02/2024 17:59, Bruce wrote:In elementary school we always started the day with the Pledge of Allegiance
At American schools, does the day start with a patriotic song and a >>>>>>> praise the Lord, who loves America so much? Or is that only in the >>>>>>> bible belt?The _public_ high school I attended in New Jersey, started the day with >>>>>> the Pledge of Allegiance (with hand on heart, facing the flag), a
patriotic song, a reading from the Book of Psalms, and a protestant >>>>>> version of the Lord's Prayer.
and yes, facing the flag with hand over heart. I don't remember any patriotic
song or prayer, but occasionally a reading from the Bible.
I doubt it as well.I don't know if my old school does - I doubt it, though.
Do you know if they still do that?
The 'under God' was added, if I'm not mistaken, by Eisenhower.
I know that the primary school my kids attended does the Pledge of
Allegiance, with the added 'under God', which I assume helps make up for >>>> the lack of bible reading...
What if children don't believe in God? It's not very inclusive.
When it was added in the 1950s, every child was assumed to be
receiving a proper religious upbringing. They weren't far wrong.
Even I was dragged to Sunday School by my godmother, even though
nobody in my family attended church.
On 2/14/2024 7:26 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
I understand, but whose definition is "imminent"? Six months? A year? Five years? Should a person have to live in pain for a long time while
some people sit around a table and discuss when is the best time for
anyone to have this option? (I'm agreeing with you, BTW.)
On 2024-02-14 7:26 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why >>> not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
There is that current issue of mental health. One has to be of sound
mind to get it. People suffering from severe depression might be deemed
not to be of sound mind. I can sympathize with them. We all have down
days but then there is severe depression. I experienced a few short
bouts of it after heart surgery. I am glad that they warned me about it
and told me to get help if it persisted. There were a number of times
when I was sitting around watching TV and a black cloud of depression
would slide in and I would suddenly be so low I was in tears.
Thankfully those bouts lasted only a minute or two but they were
momentarily debilitating. They were horrible. I cannot imagine someone
living their life feeling like that.
On 2/14/2024 7:26 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:06:23 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/13/2024 6:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 5:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:If someone has a terminal illness and the only option doctors offer is
On 2/13/2024 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
"My religion tells me to be against euthanasia."
Ok, your choice. You'll never receive euthanasia.
"And therefore YOU can't have euthanasia either."
And that's where it goes wrong.
The government should step it to see that Youth in Asia are properly >>>>> cared for.
Medically assisted death is another thing we have here now. I know a few >>>> people who have opted for it to avoid a slow and extremely painful death. >>>>
doping them up with drugs to dull the pain (and likely their cognition)
until they eventually die, if it is their express wish to die sooner why >>> not let them have the option?
Jill
We do have that option in Canada, it's called MAiD, Medical Assistance
in Dying. Been around several years now. However many of us want a
clause removed which says 'If death is imminent' - It will come in due
course I hope.
I understand, but whose definition is "imminent"? Six months? A year?
Five years? Should a person have to live in pain for a long time while
some people sit around a table and discuss when is the best time for
anyone to have this option? (I'm agreeing with you, BTW.)
Jill
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in the
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. >One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight
of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have
proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
A woman where I used to work belonged to Assembly of God. The family
spent the day on Sunday with various church activities. Some were the actual service, others more social.
They moved from MN to PA so she could be the choir director for the
church. Their lives revolved around church activities a few night in
the week also.
Both kids went to Oral Roberts Pseudo-University.
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight
of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:30:20 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/15/2024 5:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:30:47 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:51:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Do you have proof? I read the Trump is a Christian, so if you have >>>>>> proof of that I think it would be very much welcomed by the
democrat press.
Do dedicated christians spend their Sundays golfing??
Sure! in the afternoon.
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
A woman where I used to work belonged to Assembly of God. The family
spent the day on Sunday with various church activities. Some were the
actual service, others more social.
They moved from MN to PA so she could be the choir director for the
church. Their lives revolved around church activities a few night in
the week also.
Both kids went to Oral Roberts University. Daughter got kicked out
though. Seems she had rounded heels.
LOL, what does that mean? Was she pressing her heels against the
ceiling too much?
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:25:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 01:06:37 +0000, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:LOL, was that in Scotland? When you say Sabbath day, you mean Sunday?
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. >> >One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight
of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
I'm familiar with not using power tools on Sundays, at least in the
Netherlands. Probably a religious thing from the past, evolved into a
courtesy thing with the idea that Sunday's supposed to be a peaceful
day off, religious or not. I don't know if it still applies. In the
Australian countryside, I haven't encountered this yet. Every day is
power tool day here.
If you're a member of the Latter Day Saints you don't work on Saturdays. There was a popular restaurant in our little town that was closed on Saturdays. That was inconvenient but there was nothing you could do about it. This is God we're talking about.
Last Tuesday was Fat Tuesday - malasadas day. We're not Catholic so we don't follow that Lent stuff. I bought some malasadas from a truck today - Thursday. I don't even care that it's the wrong day!.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dDURRg2QXEYSQDBp6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kKPT7apJsqHQprm6A
On 2/15/2024 6:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:30:20 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
A woman where I used to work belonged to Assembly of God. The family
spent the day on Sunday with various church activities. Some were the
actual service, others more social.
They moved from MN to PA so she could be the choir director for the
church. Their lives revolved around church activities a few night in
the week also.
Both kids went to Oral Roberts University. Daughter got kicked out
though. Seems she had rounded heels.
LOL, what does that mean? Was she pressing her heels against the
ceiling too much?
Her heels gave her poor support standing, yes, she kept falling on her
back.
On 2024-02-15 6:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-15 3:16 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from
worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on
Sundays.
And in business dealings with these people, watch out! They'll swindle
you given half a chance. Bible-believing be damned!
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to
deal with someone from their own church.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 01:06:37 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. >> One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight
of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
LOL, was that in Scotland? When you say Sabbath day, you mean Sunday?
I'm familiar with not using power tools on Sundays, at least in the Netherlands. Probably a religious thing from the past, evolved into a courtesy thing with the idea that Sunday's supposed to be a peaceful
day off, religious or not. I don't know if it still applies. In the Australian countryside, I haven't encountered this yet. Every day is
power tool day here.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:58:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1about.
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:25:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 01:06:37 +0000, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:LOL, was that in Scotland? When you say Sabbath day, you mean Sunday?
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry >>>> on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either.
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no >>>>> ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through >>>>> part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw >>>>> rocks at them.
One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble >>>> his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight >>>> of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
I'm familiar with not using power tools on Sundays, at least in the
Netherlands. Probably a religious thing from the past, evolved into a
courtesy thing with the idea that Sunday's supposed to be a peaceful
day off, religious or not. I don't know if it still applies. In the
Australian countryside, I haven't encountered this yet. Every day is
power tool day here.
If you're a member of the Latter Day Saints you don't work on Saturdays. There was a popular restaurant in our little town that was closed on Saturdays. That was inconvenient but there was nothing you could do about it. This is God we're talking
.
I wonder what Latter Day Saints cuisine is like.
.
There used to be a Dutch children's clothing shop with a website. On
Sundays, the website would not be accessible. Aww.
On 2024-02-15 6:06 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
laundry on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn
mowing, either.
One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to
disassemble his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he
was out of sight of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the
village elders.
On some of the notoriously conservative protestant Isles, they used to padlock the public lavatories.
On 2024-02-15, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
There ought'a be a law! Oh wait, I'm sure there is.
Some places you have to give a shit in order to get
a licence. Then they make you pay a fine to cover the
DNA tests if someone turns in a turd.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:05:53 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:...
If,or should one say, while you are still the most
powerful country in the world, OF COURSE the rest of the
world has a view on your politics and leaders because
USA's agenda and behaviour has a global impact.
Your leaders, your political system WILL be held up to
world scrutiny, and compared to others. Sooner or later,
you will alienate others. Sooner or later, some of your
global critics will become richer than USA, more powerful,
better armed.
If your country was better educated, its voters would
try to avoid repeating historic disasters, like re-
electing a crazed despot criminal so he can ruin your
nation.
Amen.
Take Isaac Newton, the most influential man of science there ever was.
He spent about half of his extremely valuable time trying to prove that
God existed. He didn't quite get there.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:10:01 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
enlighten us with delicious vegetarian recipes.
You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
Bruce, you haven't been paying attention to the people here, to what
they cook. Many of us are close to vegetarian
Wut? I've never seen such a bunch of obligate carnivores.
and go several days just
naturally with meatless days during the week. I'm the farthest along
that eating pattern but I've always done a lot of that in my life. 4
day strings of it are common and have been mentioned.
You mention meat recipes generally. But even if you're really not
eating meat some days, that still doesn't make you close to a
vegetarian. We're going towards Ed joke territory. "Today from 6am
until 6pm I was a vegetarian!"
Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
enlighten us with delicious vegetarian recipes.
You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
Bruce, you haven't been paying attention to the people here, to what
they cook. Many of us are close to vegetarian and go several days just naturally with meatless days during the week. I'm the farthest along
that eating pattern but I've always done a lot of that in my life. 4
day strings of it are common and have been mentioned.
Today was 3rd day but we went shopping and Don wanted a rotisserie
chicken which they had on sale for 6.49. Not bad! We'll have some of
that tonight in a change of plans.
Was going to be baked mac-n-cheese, gobo strips done in a viegar sauce,
and a small stir fry with the crunchy ends of mature bok choy. some gai
lan, orange, red and yellow bell pepper, fresh slivered garlic, oyster mushrooms and cooked peanuts which is all done in olive oil.
That's ok. Tonight will be rotissare chicken, steamed gai lan and
yellow rice.
On 15 Feb 2024 15:58:16 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Yes, it's a nice security blanket and answers all the questions. But
if they're better educated they might remain religious but stop having >>>> all these retarded ideas about everything.
No argument there. I've met any number of smart, educated people
for whom belief in God provides great comfort.
Take Isaac Newton, the most influential man of science there ever was.
He spent about half of his extremely valuable time trying to prove that
God existed. He didn't quite get there.
Zeitgeist.
On 2024-02-15 6:06 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no
ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. >> One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight
of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
On some of the notoriously conservative protestant Isles, they used to padlock the public lavatories.
On 2024-02-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of
networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to
deal with someone from their own church.
I recently became aware of atheist churches:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secular-churches-atheist-congregations-sunday-assembly-worship-oasis/
On 16/02/2024 12:44, songbird wrote:
Sunday pub closing wasn't just in the Islands - it was right acrossOn some of the notoriously conservative protestant Isles, they used to
padlock the public lavatories.
  and the pubs!
Scotland. Monday through Saturday, the pubs were only open for a few
hours around noon, then closed again until 5pm, closing for the day at 10. Pub hours down in England were more generous.
Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-15 6:06 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 15/02/2024 23:37, Bruce wrote:
Well, theoretically they might do all their church stuff in theThere was a time, not so long ago, really, when even hanging out laundry >>> on the Sabbath would be very much frowned upon. And no lawn mowing, either. >>> One of my uncles liked to go fishing on Sunday - he used to disassemble
morning and go golfing in the afternoon. Personally, I was thinking
more of the hardcore dudes. No golfing on the Day of the Lord! Also no >>>> ice creams and no bicycle riding!
A friend of mine once went bicycle riding with his girlfriend through
part of the Dutch rural bicycle belt. On a Sunday. Local yokels threw
rocks at them.
his fishing rod and hide it up his trouser leg until he was out of sight >>> of the village, for fear of the disapproval of the village elders.
On some of the notoriously conservative protestant Isles, they used to
padlock the public lavatories.
and the pubs!
On 2024-02-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-15 6:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-15 3:16 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from >>>> worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on >>>> Sundays.
And in business dealings with these people, watch out! They'll swindle
you given half a chance. Bible-believing be damned!
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of
networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to
deal with someone from their own church.
I recently became aware of atheist churches:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secular-churches-atheist-congregations-sunday-assembly-worship-oasis/
On 2024-02-16 8:24 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 16/02/2024 12:44, songbird wrote:
Sunday pub closing wasn't just in the Islands - it was right acrossOn some of the notoriously conservative protestant Isles, they used to >>>> padlock the public lavatories.
  and the pubs!
Scotland. Monday through Saturday, the pubs were only open for a few
hours around noon, then closed again until 5pm, closing for the day at
10.
Pub hours down in England were more generous.
Liquor laws here in Ontario were very strange for a long time. It was
not until the mid 1970s that they started allowing alcohol sales at
"hotels" (beer halls) but you had to buy food. Stores were closed in Sundays. There was an exception for tourist areas. They only started allowing Sunday openings in the 80s when masses of people were flocking across the border to shop on Sundays. The merchants argued that Canadian stores were losing a lot of sales to American retailers.
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:05:53 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:...
If,or should one say, while you are still the most
powerful country in the world, OF COURSE the rest of the
world has a view on your politics and leaders because
USA's agenda and behaviour has a global impact.
Your leaders, your political system WILL be held up to
world scrutiny, and compared to others. Sooner or later,
you will alienate others. Sooner or later, some of your
global critics will become richer than USA, more powerful,
better armed.
If your country was better educated, its voters would
try to avoid repeating historic disasters, like re-
electing a crazed despot criminal so he can ruin your
nation.
Amen.
ditto! it is despicable and worthy of derision. it
is also why many people don't vote - they can't stand
the clown show or the obvious lack of capability or
self-discipline.
i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
Bruce wrote:
You mention meat recipes generally. But even if you're really not
eating meat some days, that still doesn't make you close to a
vegetarian. We're going towards Ed joke territory. "Today from 6am
until 6pm I was a vegetarian!"
where would you draw the line on "close to vegetarian"?
meat once a week? once every other week? once a month?
it's a slippery slope, when you start getting into that
you might as well be arguing about the difference between
the Real Numbers and Integers...
On 16/02/2024 03:40, Bruce wrote:about.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:58:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
If you're a member of the Latter Day Saints you don't work on Saturdays. There was a popular restaurant in our little town that was closed on Saturdays. That was inconvenient but there was nothing you could do about it. This is God we're talking
.Up until recently, in the Western Isles of Scotland, the swings in the
I wonder what Latter Day Saints cuisine is like.
.
There used to be a Dutch children's clothing shop with a website. On
Sundays, the website would not be accessible. Aww.
local playpark were chained up on Sunday.
I don't remember which island(s), though.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:44:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
I think you got that exactly right!
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
Take Isaac Newton, the most influential man of science there ever was.
He spent about half of his extremely valuable time trying to prove that
God existed. He didn't quite get there.
and since then there have been several obvious
"arguments from design" that have been shattered
by discoveries in anatomy and then of course the
fossil record and various dating techniques. those
who can believe only the bible version of creation
and all those myths - well, hey, i'm glad it isn't
me.
songbirdThe evidence from Palaeontology was already overwhelmingly in
On 2024-02-16, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:05:53 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:...
If,or should one say, while you are still the most
powerful country in the world, OF COURSE the rest of the
world has a view on your politics and leaders because
USA's agenda and behaviour has a global impact.
Your leaders, your political system WILL be held up to
world scrutiny, and compared to others. Sooner or later,
you will alienate others. Sooner or later, some of your
global critics will become richer than USA, more powerful,
better armed.
If your country was better educated, its voters would
try to avoid repeating historic disasters, like re-
electing a crazed despot criminal so he can ruin your
nation.
Amen.
ditto! it is despicable and worthy of derision. it
is also why many people don't vote - they can't stand
the clown show or the obvious lack of capability or
self-discipline.
i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:21:53 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:What I can't understand is that Conrad Black, a man of staggering
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:44:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
I think you got that exactly right!
But he doesn't go on TV once a week to make retarded statements. So he doesn't attract the retarded voters who, to my great surprise, seem to comprise half the country's population. I never knew this about the
US.
On 2024-02-16 5:17 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of
networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to
deal with someone from their own church.
I recently became aware of atheist churches:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secular-churches-atheist-congregations-sunday-assembly-worship-oasis/
I had to chuckle a few years back at the controversy over a United
Church Minister who fought to keep her job as a minister despite being
an atheist.
On 2/15/2024 2:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
Ed P wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:50 PM, cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-13 4:00 p.m., cshenk wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a
BBQ or slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best
answer is 'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant
that some try to force a method or a seasoning type.
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was
surprised when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing
dinner and it was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific
dish and done a specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the
USA has a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are
generally wrong to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on
what in some parts are called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful
they used a BBQ sauce to baste steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
He's talking a steak Ed. Like t-bone and such.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a
mustard sauce.
My preference is the eastern style. I visited NC some years ago
and had it and went on a quest to learn how to make it myself.
I've had both and other variations made with oil, vinegar and
spices. Used on meats like chicken or ribs (whole cuts, not
shredded).
Re-read it. Brother's son-in-law questioned it, as he should have NC
BBQ is specific. NOT steaks.
On 2024-02-16 7:03 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 5:17 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of
networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to >>>> deal with someone from their own church.
I recently became aware of atheist churches:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secular-churches-atheist-congregations-sunday-assembly-worship-oasis/
I had to chuckle a few years back at the controversy over a United
Church Minister who fought to keep her job as a minister despite being
an atheist.
Well since atheists form a significant portion of the population,
it's reasonable to have them among the clergy:-)
On 2024-02-16 10:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:21:53 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
I think you got that exactly right!
But he doesn't go on TV once a week to make retarded statements. So he
doesn't attract the retarded voters who, to my great surprise, seem to
comprise half the country's population. I never knew this about the
US.
What I can't understand is that Conrad Black, a man of staggering
intellect, is a great fan of the idiot. Mind you, Trump did pardon
him.
On 2024-02-15 2:05 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Ed P wrote:
My brother's son in law is from North Carolina. He was
surprised when my brother and SiL told him they were BBQing
dinner and it was steaks. He explained that BBQ is a specific
dish and done a specific way.
Your brother is wrong that it's a specific type. 'BBQ' in the
USA has a huge variation as you've seen here. The steaks are
generally wrong to call 'BBQ' just because it was cooked on
what in some parts are called BBQ/BBQ grill. It is doubtful
they used a BBQ sauce to baste steaks.
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
He's talking a steak Ed. Like t-bone and such.
Yes, and I explained that there is a difference between what my
niece's NC born and bred husband calls BBQ and what we call BBQ.
Light the BBQ, heat it up, slap some meat on and have a beer while it
is cooking and that is a BBQed meal.
jmcquown wrote:
Okay, is it food cooked on a grill which is also called a BBQ or
slathered in sauce and called BBQ? ;)
Jill
It's defined regionally in the USA as you'ce seen. The best answer is
'both of those get called BBQ'. It's irrelevant that some try to force
a method or a seasoning type.
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:31:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
heyjoe wrote:
Ed P wrote :
No, he is correct in North Carolina. Walk into a restaurant and
order barbecue and you will get pulled pork, in the east with a
vinegar sauce.
In the west of NC you will get a red sauce, in SC you get a
mustard sauce.
Isn't NC pulled pork made from smoked pork butt?Varies on cooking method. People do it at home in ovens or
crockpots too.
I tend to think that what folks call low and slow is "smoked" orDon't worry. The USA is a big place.
"BBQ", while cooked high and fast is "BBQ" or "grilled". But I'm
a heathen. What do I know?
Da Hawaiians made pulled pork the hard way. The cooked it with hot
stones underground. There was no sauce - just salt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2BZ0eJlJ3Y
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 2:04:22 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to enlighten us
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
with delicious vegetarian recipes.
The wonderful news is that very soon, we won't need any dead animals to make our Spam musubi. I predict that meaty rice will take over the world. It might turn us into rice eating zombies. Hopefully, the Koreans can make rice infused with brains.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3252099/south-korean-scientists-develop-sustainable-meaty-rice-opening-world-possibilities
cshenk wrote:
Bruce wrote:<j_mcquown@comcast.net> >> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:29:36 -0500, jmcquown
On 2/14/2024 2:34 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
On 2024-02-12, Bruce wrote:It is Bruce's only purpose. He's sure as hell not here to
Leo always snips too much.
And Bruce always snipes too much.
enlighten us with delicious vegetarian recipes.
You'd reject them anyway. "Gimme my dead animal!"
Bruce, you haven't been paying attention to the people here, to what
they cook. Many of us are close to vegetarian and go several days
just naturally with meatless days during the week. I'm the
farthest along that eating pattern but I've always done a lot of
that in my life. 4 day strings of it are common and have been
mentioned.
that's about how i would also eat if left to my
own devices. i'd also eat more sardines as those fit
my preferences a lot more than frozen fish sticks. oh
well, life goes on... :)
there was a few years where i was almost fully eating
vegetarian, but once in a while i'd have some family
event or some other thing that would come up and i'd
have some meat. it was then that i found out about the
rancid grease smells and a few other things that non-
vegetarians would likely never experience.
Today was 3rd day but we went shopping and Don wanted a rotisserie
chicken which they had on sale for 6.49. Not bad! We'll have some
of that tonight in a change of plans.
Was going to be baked mac-n-cheese, gobo strips done in a viegar
sauce, and a small stir fry with the crunchy ends of mature bok
choy. some gai lan, orange, red and yellow bell pepper, fresh
slivered garlic, oyster mushrooms and cooked peanuts which is all
done in olive oil.
That's ok. Tonight will be rotissare chicken, steamed gai lan and
yellow rice.
all sounds fine with me. often though i do find that
the RC's are not cooked enough for me (the dark meat of
the legs and thighs is often rather too pink and rubbery).
songbird
Bruce wrote:
Maybe if you only eat meat once or twice a year. You can argue about
it, but someone who eats meat several times a week, like cshenk, or
eats meat most days of the year, like cshenk, is not almost a
vegetarian, of course.
I never said I was.
John avoids meat due to cost but generally can go more than a year
between free offers. You however, eat seafood so you don't qualify at
all for 'vegetarian sainthood'.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 07:21:39 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
You mention meat recipes generally. But even if you're really not
eating meat some days, that still doesn't make you close to a
vegetarian. We're going towards Ed joke territory. "Today from 6am
until 6pm I was a vegetarian!"
where would you draw the line on "close to vegetarian"?
meat once a week? once every other week? once a month?
it's a slippery slope, when you start getting into that
you might as well be arguing about the difference between
the Real Numbers and Integers...
Maybe if you only eat meat once or twice a year. You can argue about
it, but someone who eats meat several times a week, like cshenk, or
eats meat most days of the year, like cshenk, is not almost a
vegetarian, of course.
On 2024-02-15, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-15 6:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-15 3:16 p.m., Bruce wrote:
Dedicated Christians (strict Protestants) that I knew only went to
church and sang hymns on Sundays. Any other activities distracted from >>>> worshipping the Lord, which is never acceptable, but especially not on >>>> Sundays.
And in business dealings with these people, watch out! They'll swindle
you given half a chance. Bible-believing be damned!
Fact is that a lot of businessmen go to church primarily as a way of
networking for their business. They know that a lot of people prefer to
deal with someone from their own church.
I recently became aware of atheist churches:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secular-churches-atheist-congregations-sunday-assembly-worship-oasis/
On 2024-02-16, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
On 2024-02-16 7:03 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 5:17 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I had to chuckle a few years back at the controversy over a United
Church Minister who fought to keep her job as a minister despite being
an atheist.
Well since atheists form a significant portion of the population,
it's reasonable to have them among the clergy:-)
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO members
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when
the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines.
On 2024-02-16, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:05:53 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:...
If,or should one say, while you are still the most
powerful country in the world, OF COURSE the rest of the
world has a view on your politics and leaders because
USA's agenda and behaviour has a global impact.
Your leaders, your political system WILL be held up to
world scrutiny, and compared to others. Sooner or later,
you will alienate others. Sooner or later, some of your
global critics will become richer than USA, more powerful,
better armed.
If your country was better educated, its voters would
try to avoid repeating historic disasters, like re-
electing a crazed despot criminal so he can ruin your
nation.
Amen.
ditto! it is despicable and worthy of derision. it
is also why many people don't vote - they can't stand
the clown show or the obvious lack of capability or
self-discipline.
i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
On 2024-02-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO members
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of
hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when
the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the
fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines.
Well, that's the thing about democracy. The government tends to
do what the people want, and the people wanted not to get involved
in the war. The common people can be very shortsighted. That's
why we have representative democracy.
On 2024-02-16 3:56 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO members
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of
hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >>> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >>> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines.
Well, that's the thing about democracy. The government tends to
do what the people want, and the people wanted not to get involved
in the war. The common people can be very shortsighted. That's
why we have representative democracy.
Indeed. That is why I do not blame Trump entirely for the shit storms he creates. I blame the American people who elected him. If they have
enough brains to rub together they have to know he is a shit disturber
and an idiot. I guess that is that we can expect from a nation where
the likes of Jerry Springer have been entertaining people for so long.
On 2024-02-16 10:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:21:53 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:What I can't understand is that Conrad Black, a man of staggering
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:44:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
I think you got that exactly right!
But he doesn't go on TV once a week to make retarded statements. So he
doesn't attract the retarded voters who, to my great surprise, seem to
comprise half the country's population. I never knew this about the
US.
intellect, is a great fan of the idiot. Mind you, Trump did pardon
him.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:48:51 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:Agreed!
On 2024-02-16 10:29 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:21:53 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:What I can't understand is that Conrad Black, a man of staggering
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:44:24 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
I think you got that exactly right!
But he doesn't go on TV once a week to make retarded statements. So he
doesn't attract the retarded voters who, to my great surprise, seem to
comprise half the country's population. I never knew this about the
US.
intellect, is a great fan of the idiot. Mind you, Trump did pardon
him.
Both of them are the dregs of society :(
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO membersthe system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of
hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when
the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the
fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you
guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATOthe system only puts candidates up for voting which are
pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser of two evils
(or weevils if you know which book that is from). a raving
horrible conman, thug, sexist, racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but
wavering elderly politico who's gaffing enough to keep the
press busy... i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from time
to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another level
of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
members pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to
invade those that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us
that we cannot count on the US as an ally until things affect them
directly. We got tired of hearing the rhetoric about how he saved
Europe's but in WW I and II when the fact was they did everything
they could to stay out of both those wars until our common enemies
went after them too. Our troops had been in the trenches for almost
three years before the US decided to join the fight, and it was
another half year before they even appeared on the front lines. Now
we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you guys vote him
in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in
other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been
a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had
to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the Europeans didn't
consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved
in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have
been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray.
We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the Europeans
didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the
beef?
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO membersthe system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of
hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >>> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >>> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you
guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO membersthe system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those
that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count
on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of
hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >>> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >>> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you
guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO membersthe system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those >> >> that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count >> >> on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of >> >> hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >> >> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been
in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >> >> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you
guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
--
Cindy Hamilton
Have you ever seen "Empire of the Sun?" Mostly, the European involvement in the war in Asia seems to be as prisoners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SifFmsTF1c
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>> On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO members >>>>> pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those >>>>> that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count >>>>> on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of >>>>> hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >>>>> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both those >>>>> wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been >>>>> in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >>>>> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the >>>>> front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you >>>>> guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.the system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
--
Cindy Hamilton
Have you ever seen "Empire of the Sun?" Mostly, the European involvement in the war in Asia seems to be as prisoners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SifFmsTF1c
I suppose the real question is: "Have you actually read any
history about the Pacific theatre?"
On 2024-02-16 5:02 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved
in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have
been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray.
We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the Europeans
didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the
beef?
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
When I was a kid we had a neighour who has spend the war in a Japanese
POW camp after having been captured in Hong Kong.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war. What's the beef?
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2024-02-16 10:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-16, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:i vote because it is the right thing to do, and if
Trump has shovelled up a shit show by demanding that some NATO members >>>> pay more for defense and that he would encourage Russia to invade those >>>> that don't. He has served to remind the rest of us that we cannot count >>>> on the US as an ally until things affect them directly. We got tired of >>>> hearing the rhetoric about how he saved Europe's but in WW I and II when >>>> the fact was they did everything they could to stay out of both thosethe system only puts candidates up for voting which
are pathetic then i have to choose between the lesser
of two evils (or weevils if you know which book that
is from). a raving horrible conman, thug, sexist,
racist nutjob vs. a seasoned but wavering elderly
politico who's gaffing enough to keep the press busy...
i hold my nose and vote.
I don't mind the gaffes. I'm about 14 years younger than Biden
and my brain is apt to yield up the wrong word or name from
time to time--and I wasn't a stutterer, which provides another
level of retrieval error.
Overall, I'd rate Biden's performance as very good to excellent.
He inherited a shitshow from Trump and a couple of things that
didn't go so well are largely due to that.
wars until our common enemies went after them too. Our troops had been >>>> in the trenches for almost three years before the US decided to join the >>>> fight, and it was another half year before they even appeared on the
front lines. Now we have that asshole spouting off that idiocy. If you >>>> guys vote him in again you may find yourselves alone.
It seems fairly obvious that Americans didn't want to be involved in other people's wars. We had to be forced to fight. It must have been a great relief for the Europeans when we joined in the fray. We had to fight on two fronts. My guess is that the
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
What are we gonna do after next week when we don't have uncle
tojo to educate us?
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:04:00 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I wish my mother and her parents and siblings had been part of that.
Instead, they had to live through years of Japanese sadism.
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but
still.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:35:45 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:04:00 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >>>> in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >>>
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I wish my mother and her parents and siblings had been part of that. >>Instead, they had to live through years of Japanese sadism.
I had a couple of friends who were there with their mums, not nice :(
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my >>father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but >>still.
Do you mean as in you would not be here ? :}
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2. No doubt there were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena.
On 2024-02-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Have you ever seen "Empire of the Sun?" Mostly, the European involvement in the war in Asia seems to be as prisoners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SifFmsTF1c
I suppose the real question is: "Have you actually read any
history about the Pacific theatre?"
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps,
in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except,
perhaps, in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand
to be corrected.
before the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2.
were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena. I
don't need to watch some 50's "historical" movie to realize this.
There were also Americans fighting in Europe before Pearl Harbor. The Americans also helped the Europeans before 12/8/1941 in much the same
way that it's helping the Ukrainians in their struggle today. My
point was "What's the Beef?" Are people whining because the Americans
didn't get involved early enough? That's what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of a chickenshit attitude.
On 2024-02-16 6:49 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08?PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except,
perhaps, in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand
to be corrected.
before the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2.
Of course not. You already demonstrated that you don't know much about it.
No doubt there
were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena. I
don't need to watch some 50's "historical" movie to realize this.
There were also Americans fighting in Europe before Pearl Harbor. The
Americans also helped the Europeans before 12/8/1941 in much the same
way that it's helping the Ukrainians in their struggle today. My
point was "What's the Beef?" Are people whining because the Americans
didn't get involved early enough? That's what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of a chickenshit attitude.
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without
having to send troops.
On 2024-02-16 6:49 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08?PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except,
perhaps, in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand
to be corrected.
before the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2.
Of course not. You already demonstrated that you don't know much about it.
No doubt there
were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena. I
don't need to watch some 50's "historical" movie to realize this.
There were also Americans fighting in Europe before Pearl Harbor. The
Americans also helped the Europeans before 12/8/1941 in much the same
way that it's helping the Ukrainians in their struggle today. My
point was "What's the Beef?" Are people whining because the Americans
didn't get involved early enough? That's what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of a chickenshit attitude.
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without
having to send troops.
On 2/16/2024 7:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:44:39 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:35:45 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:04:00 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >>>>>> in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >>>>>
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I wish my mother and her parents and siblings had been part of that.
Instead, they had to live through years of Japanese sadism.
I had a couple of friends who were there with their mums, not nice :(
No, not at all. Tjideng Camp in the case of my mother, her mother and
her sister.
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my >>>> father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but >>>> still.
Do you mean as in you would not be here ? :}
Yes :)
Comes back to the religious conversations recently. Proves the dictum
God works in mysterious ways.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:44:39 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:35:45 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:04:00 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >>>>> in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >>>>
the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I wish my mother and her parents and siblings had been part of that.
Instead, they had to live through years of Japanese sadism.
I had a couple of friends who were there with their mums, not nice :(
No, not at all. Tjideng Camp in the case of my mother, her mother and
her sister.
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but
still.
Do you mean as in you would not be here ? :}
Yes :)
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:32:50 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >>equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without >>having to send troops.I can remember a party when it was finally paid off, think in the 80s >sometime. So it definitely wasn't a 'gift'
songbird wrote:...
there was a few years where i was almost fully eating
vegetarian, but once in a while i'd have some family
event or some other thing that would come up and i'd
have some meat. it was then that i found out about the
rancid grease smells and a few other things that non-
vegetarians would likely never experience.
It reminds me of something when you speak to 'usuual aromas'. It's a
bit of a topic shift.
Shopping in Asia gets you used to the scent of different vegetables,
fruits, spices and cooking. It's put off some of my friends unless
warned.
all sounds fine with me. often though i do find that
the RC's are not cooked enough for me (the dark meat of
the legs and thighs is often rather too pink and rubbery).
True, when they cook it on spinners that you can see, customers often
buy one not really ready. The Harris Teeters doesn't put them out
until they are ready and in plastic containers with snap-on domed clear plastic tops. They are kept under heat lamps and sell fast. Never had
a bad one yet at that store.
On 2024-02-16 5:05 a.m., songbird wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
Take Isaac Newton, the most influential man of science there ever was.
He spent about half of his extremely valuable time trying to prove that
God existed. He didn't quite get there.
and since then there have been several obvious
"arguments from design" that have been shattered
by discoveries in anatomy and then of course the
fossil record and various dating techniques. those
who can believe only the bible version of creation
and all those myths - well, hey, i'm glad it isn't
me.
The evidence from Palaeontology was already overwhelmingly in
favour of Evolution before DNA hammered the final nail in the
coffin of creationism.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:get your ass down to The Ukraine.
On 2024-02-16 6:49 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:Of course not. You already demonstrated that you don't know much about it. >> No doubt there
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except,
perhaps, in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand
to be corrected.
before the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2.
were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena. IYep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and
don't need to watch some 50's "historical" movie to realize this.
There were also Americans fighting in Europe before Pearl Harbor. The
Americans also helped the Europeans before 12/8/1941 in much the same
way that it's helping the Ukrainians in their struggle today. My
point was "What's the Beef?" Are people whining because the Americans
didn't get involved early enough? That's what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of a chickenshit attitude.
equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without
having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to
I'd say that any training that you've had regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:09:20 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:49:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:You say Pacific and your critics bring up Asia. Is Asia part of the
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >> >> > in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >> >> My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2. No doubt there were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena.
Pacific arena?
You need to watch more American war movies.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:18:41 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
No thanks.I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2. No doubt there were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena.You say Pacific and your critics bring up Asia. Is Asia part of the
Pacific arena?
You need to watch more American war movies.
Well okay - no guts, no glory!
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms
and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests
without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting
war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read
your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass
down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms
and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests
without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting
war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read
your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass
down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste.
spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to
protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on
reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote
because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American
approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the
stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion
of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain
independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why
would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:49:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >>> > in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >>> My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2. No doubt there were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena.
You say Pacific and your critics bring up Asia. Is Asia part of the
Pacific arena?
On 2024-02-17, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 15:49:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-16 3:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:the Nips arrived, and took them to Australia.
The English fought in the Pacific theatre. Have you never seen
"Bridge on the River Kwai"?
The British and/or the Commonwealth fought everywhere except, perhaps, >>>> > in our island hopping campaign in the Pacific. I stand to be corrected. >>>> My father's ship evacuated women and children from Singapore before
I'm not going to get into an rfc discussion about WW2. No doubt there were some Europeans and Canadians fighting in the Pacific arena.
You say Pacific and your critics bring up Asia. Is Asia part of the
Pacific arena?
The Pacific theatre included places such as Burma.
https://quizlet.com/252762621/wwii-map-of-the-pacific-diagram/
Just as the European theatre included North Africa
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war.
Honestly, I only brought up war movies because dsi1 is American and
I figured he wasn't up for real history.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave SmithYeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the
wrote:
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide
arms and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American
interests without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a
shooting war in another part of the world. For more info on this,
just read your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need
to get your ass down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training
that you've had regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty
much gone to waste.
US spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight
to protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a
plebiscite on reunification that the government of South Vietnam
cancelled the vote because they knew they were going to lose, and
did it with American approval. I followed the news about Iraq and
US invasion to rid the stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red
the news about the invasion of Grenada. I have read about the US
fighting in Cuba to help them gain independence from Spain... and
hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why would the US want to get
involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed
and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best
interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are
any good, anyway.
In article <b7fc6461-831b-4ff8-b3f9-
9a94dedce220n@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.net
says...
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war.
What a blindingly stupid remark.
Germany's occupation of Europe was the reason Japan
targeted the European empire-colonies in the Pacific area.
The Dutch, British and French territories were all
invaded /attacked by the Japanese. Australia was also
attacked.
Dutch British and Australian military all fought there;
my uncle was captured and spent years as a POW of the
Japanese.
In article <b7fc6461-831b-4ff8-b3f9-
9a94dedce220n@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.net
says...
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war.
What a blindingly stupid remark.
Germany's occupation of Europe was the reason Japan
targeted the European empire-colonies in the Pacific area.
The Dutch, British and French territories were all
invaded /attacked by the Japanese. Australia was also
attacked.
Dutch British and Australian military all fought there;
my uncle was captured and spent years as a POW of the
Japanese.
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:46:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Does it also apply to Hawaiians, since they're Americans?
On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> >>Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms
and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests
without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting
war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read
your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass >> >> > down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste.
spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to
protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on >> >> reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote
because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American
approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the
stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion
of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain >> >> independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why
would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
Most of the people of Hawaii don't trust rich people or the people in power.
After all, the locals are mostly descendants of slave labor. My dad
was a construction foreman and union officer. He worked with the
bosses but he never trusted them.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 5:56:01 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:bosses kept him around because he could get the job done.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 8:16:45 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:46:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1Most of the people of Hawaii don't trust rich people or the people in power. After all, the locals are mostly descendants of slave labor. My dad was a construction foreman and union officer. He worked with the bosses but he never trusted them. The
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> > > >> On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:Does it also apply to Hawaiians, since they're Americans?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms >> > > >> >> and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests >> > > >> >> without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting >> > > >> > war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read >> > > >> > your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass
down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste. >> > > >> Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US >> > > >> spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to
reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote >> > > >> because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American >> > > >> approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the >> > > >> stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion
of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain
independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why >> > > >> would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
Now - no more questions.Whether union or non-union, they all have their buddies and preferences. If you fuss, you make enemies. What can you do?
As it goes, a union is the only way that workers are going to keep a small scrap of dignity/power/parity in a capitalist society. That's just my feeling on this matter. The disparity of the classes in this country pretty much bears this out.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:59:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 05:16:41 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:Yay, I'm Hawaiian!
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:46:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> >> >> On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:Does it also apply to Hawaiians, since they're Americans?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms
and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests >> >> >> >> without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting >> >> >> > war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read >> >> >> > your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass
down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste. >> >> >> Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US >> >> >> spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to
reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote >> >> >> because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American
approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the
stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion >> >> >> of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain
independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why >> >> >> would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
Most of the people of Hawaii don't trust rich people or the people in power.
After all, the locals are mostly descendants of slave labor. My dadYou and your father or mother all aren't Hawaiian, right? Just like
was a construction foreman and union officer. He worked with the
bosses but he never trusted them.
I'm not Aboriginal.
You're no Hawaiian. Your arrogant and racist attitudes make that clear. What's with all the questions anyway?
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:56:46 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:always, is race. "White people didn't care about what happened to
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:19:44 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
In article <b7fc6461-831b-4ff8-b3f9- 9a94de...@googlegroups.com>,He's trying to find a way to criticise and blame. Underlying, as
dsi...@hawaiiantel.net says...
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the
Pacific to be their war.
What a blindingly stupid remark.
Germany's occupation of Europe was the reason Japan targeted the
European empire-colonies in the Pacific area.
The Dutch, British and French territories were all invaded
/attacked by the Japanese. Australia was also attacked.
Dutch British and Australian military all fought there; my uncle
was captured and spent years as a POW of the Japanese.
non white people." It's not his best attempt, but he's running out
of time.
Yoose guys are kind of nutty about this race thing. No country wants
to go to war with a distant enemy.
because it was attacked. I ain't "criticise and blame."
I just state the facts.
I understand that Europeans/Americans were imprisoned in
Asia. These guys weren't there because they were fighting for their
country. They were foreigners living in an war occupied country. I
don't consider that to be fighting on a front - so sue me.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:56:46 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:19:44 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
In article <b7fc6461-831b-4ff8-b3f9-He's trying to find a way to criticise and blame. Underlying, as
9a94de...@googlegroups.com>, dsi...@hawaiiantel.net
says...
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the Pacific to be their war.
What a blindingly stupid remark.
Germany's occupation of Europe was the reason Japan
targeted the European empire-colonies in the Pacific area.
The Dutch, British and French territories were all
invaded /attacked by the Japanese. Australia was also
attacked.
Dutch British and Australian military all fought there;
my uncle was captured and spent years as a POW of the
Japanese.
always, is race. "White people didn't care about what happened to non
white people." It's not his best attempt, but he's running out of
time.
Yoose guys are kind of nutty about this race thing. No country wants to go to war with a distant enemy. The US only entered the war because it was attacked. I ain't "criticise and blame." I just state the facts.
That wasn't such a bad one compared to many. One of my uncles was the engineer on HMS Exeter who fought the battle of the River Plate and
after that she went on to the south China seas where she was
torpedoed. He was taken prisoner to Nagasaki in Japan and forced to
work in the coal mines there until 1945. His gift from the A bomb
over Nagasaki was that for the rest of his life his skin itched
perpetually.
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but
still.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:32:50 -0500, Dave Smith
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >>equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without >>having to send troops.
I can remember a party when it was finally paid off, think in the 80s sometime. So it definitely wasn't a 'gift'
But I believe the Marshall Plan was. The Americans came to Rome to
give money to the Italians. They got a grand reception with a
luxurious dinner and a lot of pomp and circumstance.
When they came to the Netherlands, they were received by the
Prime-Minister and his wife, in their little working class house. They
were served tea and cookies.
The Americans decided that financial help given to the Dutch would be
spent wisely.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-17 2:15 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:56:46 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:always, is race. "White people didn't care about what happened to
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 12:19:44 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
In article <b7fc6461-831b-4ff8-b3f9- 9a94de...@googlegroups.com>,He's trying to find a way to criticise and blame. Underlying, as
dsi...@hawaiiantel.net says...
My guess is that the Europeans didn't consider the War in the
Pacific to be their war.
What a blindingly stupid remark.
Germany's occupation of Europe was the reason Japan targeted the
European empire-colonies in the Pacific area.
The Dutch, British and French territories were all invaded
/attacked by the Japanese. Australia was also attacked.
Dutch British and Australian military all fought there; my uncle
was captured and spent years as a POW of the Japanese.
Of course they do. That's why countries had huge navies. They wanted tonon white people." It's not his best attempt, but he's running out
of time.
Yoose guys are kind of nutty about this race thing. No country wants
to go to war with a distant enemy.
be able to sail the seven seas to trade and to find materials for their
industries. We have pretty open trade agreements these days, but a few
hundred years ago who every controlled the land and the sea lanes had
access to the materials. Oil is one of the hot commodities these days.
Remember that about twenty years ago the US went to war half way around
the world on the basis of a lie about Saddam having a vast arsenal of
WMDs, They spent a long time looking for them and making false claims
before G Dubya admitted that they had not found any. Then the story
changed to the need for regime change. But, as you claim, no one would
go to war thousands of miles away to depose the government there.
The US only entered the war
because it was attacked. I ain't "criticise and blame."I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at
war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
I just state the facts.You have?? Most people would say you have been short on facts.
I understand that Europeans/Americans were imprisoned inThey were civilians who had been living and working in colonies, foreign
Asia. These guys weren't there because they were fighting for their
country. They were foreigners living in an war occupied country. I
don't consider that to be fighting on a front - so sue me.
countries the Japanese had invaded.
You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. I live in the Pacific. Have some respect, man.
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at
war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
On 2024-02-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but
still.
Had that sequence of events transpired, it would have had a positive
effect on rfc. This post wouldn't exist. ;)
On 2024-02-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:32:50 -0500, Dave Smith
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >>>equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without >>>having to send troops.
I can remember a party when it was finally paid off, think in the 80s
sometime. So it definitely wasn't a 'gift'
Yeah, but I seem to remember the Marshall Plan that greatly aided war
torn Europe after the fighting. I could google and see what strings were >attached to that, but I ain't gonna.
On 2024-02-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
That wasn't such a bad one compared to many. One of my uncles was the
engineer on HMS Exeter who fought the battle of the River Plate and
after that she went on to the south China seas where she was
torpedoed. He was taken prisoner to Nagasaki in Japan and forced to
work in the coal mines there until 1945. His gift from the A bomb
over Nagasaki was that for the rest of his life his skin itched
perpetually.
I will not google this, so I might be wrong. The Exeter was a famous
ship, spoken highly of by Churchill in his six book series on "The
Second World War". I believe the British sank the "Prinz Eugen" (sp?)
at the River Plate. The Prinz Eugen was the Bismarck's sister ship.
Again, I might be wrong. My memory fades. If so, I'll hear about it. :)
Kudos to your uncle. I bet he had stories to tell if he wanted to.
On 17 Feb 2024 22:23:30 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:32:50 -0500, Dave Smith
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and
equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without >>>> having to send troops.
I can remember a party when it was finally paid off, think in the 80s
sometime. So it definitely wasn't a 'gift'
Yeah, but I seem to remember the Marshall Plan that greatly aided war
torn Europe after the fighting. I could google and see what strings were
attached to that, but I ain't gonna.
I was taught in school that the Marshall Plan was purely financial
aid, not part of a deal. The school books did add that it was in the
US' interest to get the European market back on its feet, but that's
another matter. Trump's Republicans would probably have been against
the Marshall Plan, but that's also another matter.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
I just state the facts.You have?? Most people would say you have been short on facts.
I understand that Europeans/Americans were imprisoned in Asia.They were civilians who had been living and working in colonies,
These guys weren't there because they were fighting for their
country. They were foreigners living in an war occupied country.
I don't consider that to be fighting on a front - so sue me.
foreign countries the Japanese had invaded.
You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. I live in
the Pacific. Have some respect, man.
On 2024-02-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been mind-boggling, but
still.
Had that sequence of events transpired, it would have had a positive
effect on rfc. This post wouldn't exist. ;)
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 9:40:18 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:31:34 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:59:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:You're no Hawaiian either. No more than I'm Aboriginal.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 05:16:41 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:Yay, I'm Hawaiian!
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:46:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Does it also apply to Hawaiians, since they're Americans?
On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms >> >> >> >> >> and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests
without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting
war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read
your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass
down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had
regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste.
spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to >> >> >> >> protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on
reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote
because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American >> >> >> >> approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the >> >> >> >> stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion
of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain
independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why
would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
Most of the people of Hawaii don't trust rich people or the people in power.
After all, the locals are mostly descendants of slave labor. My dadYou and your father or mother all aren't Hawaiian, right? Just like
was a construction foreman and union officer. He worked with the
bosses but he never trusted them.
I'm not Aboriginal.
You're no Hawaiian. Your arrogant and racist attitudes make that clear. What's with all the questions anyway?
In Hawaii, we're considered to be "local."
Out of state, we're Hawaiian. Pretty much anybody can be a local in
Hawaii. All you have to do is love the land, people, and culture of
Hawaii. We're not particularly interested in race in Hawaii, it's
culture that's important. My granddaughters are part Hawaiian.
Whether or not they want to be identified as native Hawaiian depends
on how deeply they live in the ways of the native Hawaiians. My guess
is that they'll choose something in between.
There's no way you could something similar in your country. You might
love the land but you don't know nothing about the native culture nor
do you respect their people.
If you knew a damn thing about the
people and culture of the land you live upon, you'd talk about it
instead of yammering on and on about my people and culture - as if
you're some kind of expert.
On 2024-02-17, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at
war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
Lest we forget the American Expeditionary Force/Flying Tigers. I'm
just posting thoughts that pop into my head as I read this thread.
Perhaps, I shouldn't.
On 2024-02-17 3:52 p.m., Bruce wrote:
On 17 Feb 2024 22:23:30 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 19:32:50 -0500, Dave Smith
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms and >>>>> equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests without >>>>> having to send troops.
I can remember a party when it was finally paid off, think in the 80s
sometime. So it definitely wasn't a 'gift'
Yeah, but I seem to remember the Marshall Plan that greatly aided war
torn Europe after the fighting. I could google and see what strings were >>> attached to that, but I ain't gonna.
I was taught in school that the Marshall Plan was purely financial
aid, not part of a deal. The school books did add that it was in the
US' interest to get the European market back on its feet, but that's
another matter. Trump's Republicans would probably have been against
the Marshall Plan, but that's also another matter.
Being a Kraut, was his Dad interned during the war?
On 2024-02-17 5:12 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Of course, if my mother had been in Australia, she'd never
have met my
father and the consequences of that would have been
mind-boggling, but
still.
Had that sequence of events transpired, it would have had a
positive
effect on rfc. This post wouldn't exist. ;)
We can only dream.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:How is it that you know so much about me?
On 2024-02-17 5:10 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-10, Dave SmithI only told you because you failed to demonstrate any knowledge of it. I
wrote:
I just state the facts.You have?? Most people would say you have been short on facts.
I understand that Europeans/Americans were imprisoned in Asia.They were civilians who had been living and working in colonies,
These guys weren't there because they were fighting for their
country. They were foreigners living in an war occupied country.
I don't consider that to be fighting on a front - so sue me.
foreign countries the Japanese had invaded.
You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. I live in
the Pacific. Have some respect, man.
showed an amount of respect commensurate to you demonstration of (lack
of) knowledge. My country sits on the Pacific Ocean too. The Pacific is
about 2500 miles from here but, technically, my country is on the Pacific.
What exactly are you talking about? Do you even have a clue with your vague, empty, pronouncements? I could say that you don't know a thing about the Pacific region but I'm not arrogant enough to claim that I know what your knowledge in this matter is.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 9:40:18 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:that's important. My granddaughters are part Hawaiian. Whether or not they want to be identified as native Hawaiian depends on how deeply they live in the ways of the native Hawaiians. My guess is that they'll choose something in between.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:31:34 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:59:15 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:You're no Hawaiian either. No more than I'm Aboriginal.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 05:16:41 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:42:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:Yay, I'm Hawaiian!
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:46:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:41:38 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-02-16 11:27 p.m., dsi1 wrote:Does it also apply to Hawaiians, since they're Americans?
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:reunification that the government of South Vietnam cancelled the vote >>>>>>>> because they knew they were going to lose, and did it with American >>>>>>>> approval. I followed the news about Iraq and US invasion to rid the >>>>>>>> stockpile of WMDs that didn't exist. I red the news about the invasion >>>>>>>> of Grenada. I have read about the US fighting in Cuba to help them gain
Yep. The Lend Lease program was a way for the US to provide arms >>>>>>>>>> and equipment to the Allies in order to protect American interests >>>>>>>>>> without having to send troops.
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Yoose can't
understand why a country would be reluctant to get into a shooting >>>>>>>>> war in another part of the world. For more info on this, just read >>>>>>>>> your daily paper. If you still don't get it, you need to get your ass >>>>>>>>> down to The Ukraine. I'd say that any training that you've had >>>>>>>>> regarding human psychology/behavior has pretty much gone to waste. >>>>>>>> Yeah. I read the paper. I read all about the Vietnam War where the US >>>>>>>> spend trillions and had 60,000 of its soldiers killed in fight to >>>>>>>> protect freedom and democracy. There was supposed to be a plebiscite on
independence from Spain... and hopefully join the US. Yes indeed, why >>>>>>>> would the US want to get involved in a war in some other part of the world.
Are you saying that Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and can be manipulated to do things that aren't in their best interests by their leaders? I got no response to that. None that are any good, anyway.
Most of the people of Hawaii don't trust rich people or the people in power.
After all, the locals are mostly descendants of slave labor. My dadYou and your father or mother all aren't Hawaiian, right? Just like
was a construction foreman and union officer. He worked with the
bosses but he never trusted them.
I'm not Aboriginal.
You're no Hawaiian. Your arrogant and racist attitudes make that clear. What's with all the questions anyway?
In Hawaii, we're considered to be "local." Out of state, we're Hawaiian. Pretty much anybody can be a local in Hawaii. All you have to do is love the land, people, and culture of Hawaii. We're not particularly interested in race in Hawaii, it's culture
There's no way you could something similar in your country. You might love the land but you don't know nothing about the native culture nor do you respect their people. If you knew a damn thing about the people and culture of the land you live upon,you'd talk about it instead of yammering on and on about my people and culture - as if you're some kind of expert.
On 2024-02-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
That wasn't such a bad one compared to many. One of my uncles was the
engineer on HMS Exeter who fought the battle of the River Plate and
after that she went on to the south China seas where she was
torpedoed. He was taken prisoner to Nagasaki in Japan and forced to
work in the coal mines there until 1945. His gift from the A bomb
over Nagasaki was that for the rest of his life his skin itched
perpetually.
I will not google this, so I might be wrong. The Exeter was a famous
ship, spoken highly of by Churchill in his six book series on "The
Second World War". I believe the British sank the "Prinz Eugen" (sp?)
at the River Plate. The Prinz Eugen was the Bismarck's sister ship.
Again, I might be wrong. My memory fades. If so, I'll hear about it. :)
Kudos to your uncle. I bet he had stories to tell if he wanted to.
On 17 Feb 2024 22:04:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
That wasn't such a bad one compared to many. One of my uncles was the
engineer on HMS Exeter who fought the battle of the River Plate and
after that she went on to the south China seas where she was
torpedoed. He was taken prisoner to Nagasaki in Japan and forced to
work in the coal mines there until 1945. His gift from the A bomb
over Nagasaki was that for the rest of his life his skin itched
perpetually.
I will not google this, so I might be wrong. The Exeter was a famous
ship, spoken highly of by Churchill in his six book series on "The
Second World War". I believe the British sank the "Prinz Eugen" (sp?)
at the River Plate. The Prinz Eugen was the Bismarck's sister ship.
Again, I might be wrong. My memory fades. If so, I'll hear about it. :)
Kudos to your uncle. I bet he had stories to tell if he wanted to.
You're correct. He was a very quiet man, never said much about his
time, but then, neither did my father. In/after WWII they didn't
discuss their wartime activities but I do know some suffered what is
now called PTSD. I don't think my father and his brothers-in-law even discussed it between them but could be wrong about that.
lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On 17 Feb 2024 22:04:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
You're correct. He was a very quiet man, never said much about his
time, but then, neither did my father. In/after WWII they didn't
discuss their wartime activities but I do know some suffered what is
now called PTSD. I don't think my father and his brothers-in-law even
discussed it between them but could be wrong about that.
It was well known back then, but was called "shell shock" or
"combat fatigue". Sometimes, these soldiers were said to have
a "thousand mile stare".
That generation bore their burden well, with little whining.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:37:37 -0600, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid>
That generation bore their burden well, with little whining.It was cruel treatment though :( It did interest me when the clown
Prince Harry stupidly mentioned killing people during his time in
Afghanistan that he received bad publicity from all sides.
On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:13:44 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:and Indian movies. So, describing thousand pound cannon-shells or a five thousand pound bombs going-off once dropping to the ground becomes a strain when that's the only military fighting background you're familiar with. You're right, Lucretia. All you'
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 8:22:50 PM UTC-5, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
On 17 Feb 2024 22:04:15 GMT, Leonard BlaisdellI had an uncle and one of my grandfathers went over to the Pacific in WWII. They didn't talk much about it. Until they went over there, their only understanding of war, shooting people and explosions going off were 1930's comic books or a few cowboys
<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-02-16, lucr...@florence.it <lucr...@florence.it> wrote:
That wasn't such a bad one compared to many. One of my uncles was the >>>>> engineer on HMS Exeter who fought the battle of the River Plate and
after that she went on to the south China seas where she was
torpedoed. He was taken prisoner to Nagasaki in Japan and forced to
work in the coal mines there until 1945. His gift from the A bomb
over Nagasaki was that for the rest of his life his skin itched
perpetually.
I will not google this, so I might be wrong. The Exeter was a famous
ship, spoken highly of by Churchill in his six book series on "The
Second World War". I believe the British sank the "Prinz Eugen" (sp?)
at the River Plate. The Prinz Eugen was the Bismarck's sister ship.
Again, I might be wrong. My memory fades. If so, I'll hear about it. :) >>>> Kudos to your uncle. I bet he had stories to tell if he wanted to.
You're correct. He was a very quiet man, never said much about his
time, but then, neither did my father. In/after WWII they didn't
discuss their wartime activities but I do know some suffered what is
now called PTSD.
He must have spent a lot of time traveling. He even got to ride in a PT boat - what a thrill that was! He saw boxes of gold on Tinian island. He said that he wished he grabbed a couple of boxes for himself. He saw the loading bay for the atomic bombs onI don't think my father and his brothers-in-law even
discussed it between them but could be wrong about that.
My dad was in the Army during the occupation of Japan. The way he described it, it seems that he had too much of a good time. He was a procurement officer and spent his time traveling all over the place to move goods and supplies to the armed forces.
My guess is that all this happened after all the shooting had stopped. The only shooting that he feared was getting shot by those crazy haoles in his army unit since he was the only Japanese guy there. His sarge told him not to sleep in the barrackswith the other men. He had to go off somewhere for his safety. I don't know how he got himself into that position. My dad was quite the character!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOIHW-9NsP0
On 2024-02-19, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-17 5:40 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-17, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the Chinese to
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at >>> >> war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
Lest we forget the American Expeditionary Force/Flying Tigers. I'm
just posting thoughts that pop into my head as I read this thread.
Perhaps, I shouldn't.
defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They did not want
to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were concerned that he
would used the supplies to fight the civil war instead of the Japanese.
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself. America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in peace.
Have you met any human beings? Peace isn't an option.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-17 5:40 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-17, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the Chinese to
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at >> >> war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
Lest we forget the American Expeditionary Force/Flying Tigers. I'm
just posting thoughts that pop into my head as I read this thread.
Perhaps, I shouldn't.
defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They did not want
to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were concerned that he
would used the supplies to fight the civil war instead of the Japanese.
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself. America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in peace.
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 09:44:01 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-19, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2024-02-17 5:40 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself. America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in peace.On 2024-02-17, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the Chinese to >>>> defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They did not want
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at >>>> >> war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade
sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
Lest we forget the American Expeditionary Force/Flying Tigers. I'm
just posting thoughts that pop into my head as I read this thread.
Perhaps, I shouldn't.
to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were concerned that he
would used the supplies to fight the civil war instead of the Japanese. >>>
Have you met any human beings? Peace isn't an option.
Europe and the US have known peace on their lands since WW2. Electing
Trump might mean the end of that.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the
Chinese to defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They
did not want to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were
concerned that he would used the supplies to fight the civil war
instead of the Japanese.
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself.
America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries
could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in
peace.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/18/1232263785/generations-after-its-heyday-isolationism-is-alive-and-kicking-up-controversy
On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 09:44:01 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-19, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>> On 2024-02-17 5:40 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself. America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in peace.On 2024-02-17, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the Chinese to >>>>> defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They did not want >>>>> to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were concerned that he >>>>> would used the supplies to fight the civil war instead of the Japanese. >>>>
I trust that you know there was more to it than that. Japan had been at
war in Mongolia and China for some years. The US had imposed trade >>>>> >> sanctions on them, denying them access to steel, oil and rubber.
Lest we forget the American Expeditionary Force/Flying Tigers. I'm >>>>> > just posting thoughts that pop into my head as I read this thread. >>>>> > Perhaps, I shouldn't.
Have you met any human beings? Peace isn't an option.
Europe and the US have known peace on their lands since WW2. Electing
Trump might mean the end of that.
Peace-ish. There's been a considerable amount of internecine violence. >Whatever happened to Yugoslavia?
On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 4:51:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-19 2:30 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave SmithMost countries who respect each other's sovereignty. There are some
wrote:
That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the
Chinese to defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations.
They did not want to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because
they were concerned that he would used the supplies to fight
the civil war instead of the Japanese.
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for
itself. America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH,
countries could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty
and live in peace.
tin pot regimes that are quibbling over small parcels. Then we have
the major irritants. We have Putin who seems determined to restore
Russia to the boundaries of the former USSR. Then there is China
who has been pushing to expand its boundaries for years. They have
been eyeing Taiwan for more than 70 years, even though they never
possessed it and have little or no claim to it. Meanwhile, they are
making islands in the ocean with the plans to extend their
international waters and rights to whatever is out there. The
Chinese navy has been intimidating people in disputed areas.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/18/1232263785/generations-after-its-heyday-isolationism-is-alive-and-kicking-up-controversy
Da Hawaiians view the Chinese differently than people in North
America. They're not funny-looking people out to screw us any way
they can. I think that the Chinese can be a world stabilizing force
in the future.
On 2024-02-19 11:36 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
Da Hawaiians view the Chinese differently than people in North
America. They're not funny-looking people out to screw us any way
they can. I think that the Chinese can be a world stabilizing force
in the future.
Do you really think that? You must have been following a different
version of history that most of us normal people did.
On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 4:51:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-19 2:30 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-10, Dave SmithMost countries who respect each other's sovereignty. There are some tin
wrote:
That was an interesting situation. The US wanted to help the
Chinese to defeat the Japanese but they had some reservations. They
did not want to give too much to Kang Kai Shek because they were
concerned that he would used the supplies to fight the civil war
instead of the Japanese.
My guess is that Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself.
America is going to have its hands full with China. OTOH, countries
could learn to just respect each other's sovereignty and live in
peace.
pot regimes that are quibbling over small parcels. Then we have the
major irritants. We have Putin who seems determined to restore Russia to
the boundaries of the former USSR. Then there is China who has been
pushing to expand its boundaries for years. They have been eyeing Taiwan
for more than 70 years, even though they never possessed it and have
little or no claim to it. Meanwhile, they are making islands in the
ocean with the plans to extend their international waters and rights to
whatever is out there. The Chinese navy has been intimidating people in
disputed areas.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/18/1232263785/generations-after-its-heyday-isolationism-is-alive-and-kicking-up-controversy
Da Hawaiians view the Chinese differently than people in North America. They're not funny-looking people out to screw us any way they can. I think that the Chinese can be a world stabilizing force in the future.
On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:19:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
Do you really think that? You must have been following a different
version of history that most of us normal people did. China has a long
history of corruption. It goes back hundreds of years. It was a problem
in the days leading up to the revolution and has been credited for the
support the communists had among the people. As I mentioned previously,
the US was trying to support the nationalists in their common fight
against the Japanese, but they didn't trust Chang Khai Shek, suspecting
that he would divert the arms and equipment to use against the communists. >>
I referred to their claims on Taiwan and threats to seize it, their use
of naval vessels to intimidate ships from other countries. It is
interesting to note that they have long been demanding that Taiwan
return art work and other items of cultural importance that the
nationalists took with them when they left for the Taiwan. They would
have had more than enough cultural artifacts of their own had their
leaders not conducted that Cultural Revolution that they tried to use
to erase their past.
Ya gotta love their version of diplomacy, which sometimes involves
holding hostages to force foreign governments to accept their while.
Look at the case of The Two Michaels,two Canadians who were in China on
legitimate business who were arrested and jailed on bullshit charges.
They were held for almost three years before the Chinese finally
released them...... after Meng Wanzhou was released from her house
arrest. She had been arrested by Canadian authorities at the request of
the US who wanted her for violation of US sanctions.
That is your idea of a stabilizing influence????
I don't have any control over how you or the Hawaiians feel about the Chinese. Obviously, we see things differently than you and the N. Americans.
On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:19:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
I referred to their claims on Taiwan and threats to seize it, their use
of naval vessels to intimidate ships from other countries. It is
interesting to note that they have long been demanding that Taiwan
return art work and other items of cultural importance that the
nationalists took with them when they left for the Taiwan. They would
have had more than enough cultural artifacts of their own had their
leaders not conducted that Cultural Revolution that they tried to use
to erase their past.
Ya gotta love their version of diplomacy, which sometimes involves
holding hostages to force foreign governments to accept their while.
Look at the case of The Two Michaels,two Canadians who were in China on
legitimate business who were arrested and jailed on bullshit charges.
They were held for almost three years before the Chinese finally
released them...... after Meng Wanzhou was released from her house
arrest. She had been arrested by Canadian authorities at the request of
the US who wanted her for violation of US sanctions.
That is your idea of a stabilizing influence????
I don't have any control over how you or the Hawaiians feel about the Chinese. Obviously, we see things differently than you and the N. Americans.
On 2024-02-17 5:04 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
I will not google this, so I might be wrong. The Exeter was a famous
ship, spoken highly of by Churchill in his six book series on "The
Second World War". I believe the British sank the "Prinz Eugen" (sp?)
at the River Plate. The Prinz Eugen was the Bismarck's sister ship.
Again, I might be wrong. My memory fades. If so, I'll hear about it. :)
Kudos to your uncle. I bet he had stories to tell if he wanted to.
Sorry Leonard, but you should have Googled it. The Prinz Eugen was surrendered at the end of the war and eventually was nuked at Bikini
Atoll. The Tirpitz was the closest to a sister ship of the Bismark. The Bismark was a Battleship. The ship involved in the Battle of the River
Plate was the the Graf Spee was a cruiser.
I don't have any control over how you or the Hawaiians feel about the Chinese. Obviously, we see things differently than you and the N. Americans.
I am starting to wonder if you have control over your own thought
processes.
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