I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock where
I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both thought it
was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra expense and effort
to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that I had been able to get
it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in a nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not stocked at the Italian grocery we go
to.
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock where
I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both thought it
was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra expense and effort
to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that I had been able to get
it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in a nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not stocked at the Italian grocery we go
to.
On 2024-02-10, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
That's why I favor an overnight ferment in the fridge.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more
expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock where
I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both thought it
was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra expense and effort
to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that I had been able to get
it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in a nearby city with a much
larger Italian community. It is not stocked at the Italian grocery we go
to.
I was surprised to see 00 at the somewhat fancy grocery store the
last time I was there. It was on an end cap, so it was right there
in front of me.
On 2024-02-10 11:14 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I bought a bag of durum flour to make Pane Siciliano last week.
I was surprised to see 00 at the somewhat fancy grocery store the
last time I was there. It was on an end cap, so it was right there
in front of me.
The kilo bag should have been more than sufficient for the recipe
but I had to add a little bread flour. I was short-changed!
In future I will weigh the Italian bags!
On 2024-02-10 9:39 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper.
I will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so
but I find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more
expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock
where I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both
thought it was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra expense
and effort to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that I had
been able to get it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in a
nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not stocked at
the Italian grocery we go to.
My s/m stocks Robin Hood "00" equivalent flour.
I prefer "00" for pizzas but whatever flour you use, make a very
wet dough.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
I'm not absolutely positive what I'll have tonight, but I did buy a box of Gorton's frozen fish sticks yesterday. They're actually whole fish and
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
not that minced mess. Fries, too? Maybe.
On 2024-02-10 12:40 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-10 9:39 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper.
I will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so
but I find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more
expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock
where I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both
thought it was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra expense
and effort to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that I had
been able to get it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in a
nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not stocked at
the Italian grocery we go to.
My s/m stocks Robin Hood "00" equivalent flour.
I prefer "00" for pizzas but whatever flour you use, make a very
wet dough.
That was one of my issues. The dough was always to wet. Is it supposed
to be?
On 2024-02-10 12:40 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-10 9:39 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's
supper. I will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour
or so but I find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO flour
and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a lot more
expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none in stock
where I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I both
thought it was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra
expense and effort to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that
I had been able to get it in a store in my very wasp town, but not in
a nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not stocked
at the Italian grocery we go to.
My s/m stocks Robin Hood "00" equivalent flour.
I prefer "00" for pizzas but whatever flour you use, make a very
wet dough.
That was one of my issues. The dough was always to wet. Is it supposed
to be?
On 2024-02-10 2:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-10 12:40 p.m., Graham wrote:If it is too firm, the crust will be heavy. When making bread dough,
On 2024-02-10 9:39 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's
supper. I will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an
hour or so but I find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
FWIW, I used bread flour. I had gone through several bags of OO
flour and it was pretty good. It is hard to find around here and a
lot more expensive. About a month ago I ran out and there was none
in stock where I usually shop so I got bread flour and my wife and I
both thought it was better. I see no benefit in going to the extra
expense and effort to get OO. The curious thing about the OO is that
I had been able to get it in a store in my very wasp town, but not
in a nearby city with a much larger Italian community. It is not
stocked at the Italian grocery we go to.
My s/m stocks Robin Hood "00" equivalent flour.
I prefer "00" for pizzas but whatever flour you use, make a very
wet dough.
That was one of my issues. The dough was always to wet. Is it supposed
to be?
always err on the side of more water. "00" is a soft flour and you only
need 65-70 grams of water to 100 grams of flour. Using bread flour, you
would start at 70g and go to 75g.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:50:41 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
I'll report back if I've wasted my money.
On 2/10/2024 2:25 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
The last time I tried Gorton's frozen fish sticks they were a huge
I'm not absolutely positive what I'll have tonight, but I did buy a box of >>>> Gorton's frozen fish sticks yesterday. They're actually whole fish and >>>> not that minced mess. Fries, too? Maybe.
disappointment. I hope you have better luck.
Jill
Had some a few weeks ago, they were okay...
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
I'm not absolutely positive what I'll have tonight, but I did buy a box of >> Gorton's frozen fish sticks yesterday. They're actually whole fish and
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I >>> will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
not that minced mess. Fries, too? Maybe.
Hush puppies, too? Cole slaw too, maybe?
On 2/10/2024 2:25 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-6, Dave
Smith wrote:
I'm not absolutely positive what I'll have tonight, but I did
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for
tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour
or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
buy a box of
Gorton's frozen fish sticks yesterday. They're actually
whole fish and
not that minced mess. Fries, too? Maybe.
The last time I tried Gorton's frozen fish sticks they were a
huge disappointment. I hope you have better luck.
Jill
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:03:18 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
Had some a few weeks ago, they were okay...
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:50:41 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
I'll report back if I've wasted my money.
On 2/10/2024 2:25 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
The last time I tried Gorton's frozen fish sticks they were a huge
I'm not absolutely positive what I'll have tonight, but I did buy a box of
Gorton's frozen fish sticks yesterday. They're actually whole fish and >>>>> not that minced mess. Fries, too? Maybe.
disappointment. I hope you have better luck.
Jill
GM
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
I just finished mixing up a batch of pizza dough for tonight's supper. I
will let it proof for a while. It really only needs an hour or so but I
find that the longer it sits the better it gets.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
I remember them as a child coming in an oblong box and of course they were frozen. They'd get a light fry and they'd be quite tasty; for us children they
If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually good I might
have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection, we tried
them once and were not impressed.
were a treat. I think now they're 80% breading with little meat whether they're
minced or 'filets.'
Maybe a teaspoon of oil in a fry pan might improve them instead of baking them.
It certainly can't do them any harm. The Checkers seasoned fries that accompanied
my meal last night were rather good.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-11 10:12 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually good I might
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection, we tried
them once and were not impressed.
Kids like fish sticks. They're like training wheels for appreciating
fish. Fish is difficult to catch, expensive to transport, and process.
Then, you have to get people to buy and eat the fish. Most Americans
don't eat much fish. Hawaii eats a lot of fish, mostly ahi.
On 2024-02-11, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
I think that fish sticks are a product that used to be much better than
they are now. They cooked fabulous fish sticks in my grade school
cafeteria. I can't remember the last time I had a real good one.
leo
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:54:44 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-11, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:Hawaiians are Americans.
On 2024-02-11 10:12 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually good I might >>>> have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection, we tried
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time >>>>> Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
them once and were not impressed.
Kids like fish sticks. They're like training wheels for appreciating
fish. Fish is difficult to catch, expensive to transport, and process.
Then, you have to get people to buy and eat the fish. Most Americans
don't eat much fish. Hawaii eats a lot of fish, mostly ahi.
Take a look at a map sometime and try to figure out why fish consumption
per capita is lower in, say, Nebraska than in Hawaii.
--
Cindy Hamilton
You make assumptions that don't exist. It is possible for me to be American as well as live in Hawaii. Let me know if there's anything in my post that's not true. Otherwise, we ain't got nothing to talk about.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:fish, mostly ahi.
On 2024-02-11 10:12 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually good I might
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading. At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a disappointment.
have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection, we tried
them once and were not impressed.
Kids like fish sticks. They're like training wheels for appreciating fish. Fish is difficult to catch, expensive to transport, and process. Then, you have to get people to buy and eat the fish. Most Americans don't eat much fish. Hawaii eats a lot of
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UspvPg7JJsPX1FSW6
On 2/11/2024 3:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave
Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-11 10:12 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time
when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading.
At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a
disappointment.
good I might
have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection,
we tried
them once and were not impressed.
Kids like fish sticks. They're like training wheels for
appreciating fish. Fish is difficult to catch, expensive to
transport, and process. Then, you have to get people to buy
and eat the fish. Most Americans don't eat much fish. Hawaii
eats a lot of fish, mostly ahi.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UspvPg7JJsPX1FSW6
You really need to stop spouting off
Jill
jmcquown wrote:
On 2/11/2024 3:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave
Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-11 10:12 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/10/2024 10:19 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:If I could think of a time when fish sticks were actually
Yeah, they were ok, just ok; nothing spectacular for sure.
Perhaps it's 20/20 hindsight but I seem to recall a time
when fish
sticks were a *lot* better. More fish and less breading.
At one time
Mrs. Paul's brand looked promising but nope. Still a
disappointment.
good I might
have bought them more often. To the best of me recollection,
we tried
them once and were not impressed.
Kids like fish sticks. They're like training wheels for
appreciating fish. Fish is difficult to catch, expensive to
transport, and process. Then, you have to get people to buy
and eat the fish. Most Americans don't eat much fish. Hawaii
eats a lot of fish, mostly ahi.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UspvPg7JJsPX1FSW6
You really need to stop spouting off
Jill
He will in 11 days.
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