On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother
made it... with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned
it with S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it
wrapped in plastic so the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not
afraid of salt). It will be cooked in the small cast iron
skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of Worcestershire
sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful of
potato chips on the side.
Jill
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:07:51 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
My neighbor will be bringing me a plate of ribs and whatever else she has cooked
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
to accompany them. When they'll be delivered to me is anyone's guess.
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take care of cows?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take care of cows?
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just indulging in a bit of snark.
I, too, was waiting for for someone to whine.
On 2024-02-08 10:45 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >> Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just indulging in a bit of snark.
I, too, was waiting for for someone to whine.
In that case, I can comment about the movie Brokeback Mountain. It is
known for being about a homosexual affair between two cowboys. I would
submit that since they were watching a flock of sheep they were
shepherds, not cowboys, and people have been making shepherds the butt
of many gay jokes for years.
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 10:45:53 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>> Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just indulging in a bit of snark.
I, too, was waiting for for someone to whine.
Why wait? People who whine usually have a point. Like complaining about you typing "for for" instead of just "for".
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take
care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother
made it... with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that
it wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do
shepherds take care of cows?
have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in
cottages.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes. When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.
Pretentious would be 'Beef Wellington'.
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take >>> care of cows?I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take >>> care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
I suppose if I made it, I should call it "Postwar Ranch Pie".
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:06 AM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:As it goes, our favorite dish of Hawaii squid luau, does not have any squid in it. I can live with that just fine.
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >>> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
Tonight I'm making potroast in the frying pan. Yep, can't hardly tell
the difference.
The history of the names of things are not as important as usage. We don't know the etymology/history of most of our words. That's a good thing. Who needs all that baggage? Mostly, the study of words takes us further away from the modern usage of words.
On 2024-02-08 3:07 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
It might be post war for you but this was something myShepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do
shepherds take
care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make
the stuff have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in
cottages.
I suppose if I made it, I should call it "Postwar Ranch Pie".
grandmother made and she was born long before the war, and I am
talking WWI. She was in her her 20s when that one started. That
would make it Antebellum Ranch Pie... and they ran a rabbit
ranch, but they still used beef, not rabbit.
On 2024-02-07 4:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made
it... with beef.
Steak sandwiches made with the sourdough Pane Siciliano I made
yesterday. Side of nuked broccoli.
On 2024-02-08 3:59 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes. When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.
Pretentious would be 'Beef Wellington'.
Is Beef Wellington pretentious? It is a lot of work, but it is
delicious. I have only made it a couple times and it was well worth the effort.
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:06 AM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much
can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
Tonight I'm making potroast in the frying pan. Yep, can't hardly tell
the difference.
The history of the names of things are not as important as usage.
We don't know the etymology/history of most of ourwords.
Who needs all that baggage??
On 2024-02-08, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take >> care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
I suppose if I made it, I should call it "Postwar Ranch Pie".
In article <EvbxN.94333$m4d.77884@fx43.iad>,
adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
On 2024-02-08 3:59 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes. >>> When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.
Pretentious would be 'Beef Wellington'.
Is Beef Wellington pretentious? It is a lot of work, but it is
delicious. I have only made it a couple times and it was well worth the
effort.
I would not describe it as a meat pie.
Janet UK
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
Ick.Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherdsI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >>> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
take
care of cows?
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we argued
chili around this time of year.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's Day
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
Yesterday's lunch was grilled salmon with a side salad and the
"vegetable of the day" (carrots and broccoli). Half the portion
of salmon came home with me and awaits another meal.
Supper was a big salad.
On 2/8/2024 5:05 PM, Janet wrote:
In article <EvbxN.94333$m4d.77884@fx43.iad>,
adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
On 2024-02-08 3:59 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed
potatoes.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.
Pretentious would be 'Beef Wellington'.
Is Beef Wellington pretentious? It is a lot of work, but it is
delicious. I have only made it a couple times and it was well worth the
effort.
    I would not describe it as a meat pie.
   Janet UK
It's definitely not a meat pie. It may seem a tad pretentious because
of the extensive preparation and the fact that it's not something many
home cooks would take on these days. It's boeuf en croute. :)
Just a quick search, here's an example recipe:
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/213512/boeuf-en-croute/
Notice the traditional pâté de foie gras is missing in these latter day recipes, substituted with mushrooms. Still not a meat pie. Possibly a little pretentious. ;)
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff
care of cows?
have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed
potatoes.
Always.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.When you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top
of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
I wouldn't consider pouring gravy on my beautiful pastry!
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:07:51 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Bezos put mignon on sale in AZ stores so I bought 2 twin packs.
That's good for 2 months. One tonight with rice. Salad to start.
I did wine with ginger ale yesterday on the rocks, so no beer.
Not a lush.
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
On 2/8/2024 4:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we argued
chili around this time of year.
I'm not going to argue about chili because I rarely make it.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's DayI'm looking forward to it. I *love* corned beef brisket.
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
The saltier
the better. Unfortunately the brands sold these days are "reduced
sodium". Whatever. I always buy two corned beef briskets and freeze
one so I can cook the second one later in the year, around October.
Yesterday's lunch was grilled salmon with a side salad and theI'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon on the salad.
"vegetable of the day" (carrots and broccoli). Half the portion
of salmon came home with me and awaits another meal.
Supper was a big salad.
No grilled chicken strips, either?
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:49:21 -0800 (PST), Laguna Material wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:07:51 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Bezos put mignon on sale in AZ stores so I bought 2 twin packs.
That's good for 2 months. One tonight with rice. Salad to start.
I did wine with ginger ale yesterday on the rocks, so no beer.
Not a lush.
What does Bezos consider a sale on Filet Mignon? Here in
BezosMackeyTown, it's never been under $24/lb for ungraded beef at
the 10% Senior Employee discount (4 whole floors, a skating rink,
and 1,125 employees above their main store).
I got 3 ribeyes, 3.25lbs worth, for $18.25 tonight at Randall's.
Dry brining in cryovac in the fridge, then they will be frozen
tomorrow (I have more fresh food than I can eat in the next week).
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >>>> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
care of cows?
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes.
Always.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.When you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top
of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
S Viemeister wrote:
...
I wouldn't consider pouring gravy on my beautiful pastry!
i guess that is why they call it the upper crust?
really though, i would have no problem at all pouring
gravy on a meat pie with a crust on it. right before i ate
it would be best, but i'm not one to quibble too much about
things like this.
no gravy? i would use ketchup or whatever else i could
find.
songbird
On 2024-02-08, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >>>>> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
care of cows?
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
Looks like some sort of hamburger pie. The gravy is suspiciously
colored. I suspect a mix, can, or jar was involved.
I certainly prefer to know at the outset what kind of meat I'm
facing. "Care for a piece of this lovely ground turkey pie?"
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes. >>Always.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.When you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top
of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
In the upper peninsula of Michigan, the great controversy is whether
one uses ketchup or gravy on a pasty. The crust is made sturdy enough
to withstand either one.
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/8/2024 4:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we argued
chili around this time of year.
I'm not going to argue about chili because I rarely make it.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's DayI'm looking forward to it. I *love* corned beef brisket.
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
So do I. I find corned beef round to be extremely disappointing.
Sadly, my husband doesn't like corned beef, so I never cook it at
home. On the other hand, he introduced me to pastrami, which I find
superior to corned beef.
Yesterday's lunch was grilled salmon with a side salad and theI'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon on the salad.
"vegetable of the day" (carrots and broccoli). Half the portion
of salmon came home with me and awaits another meal.
Supper was a big salad.
No grilled chicken strips, either?
I'd had enough protein at lunch. I'll put the salmon on a salad today.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
-sw
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I knew you'd wind up putting that grilled salmon on a salad. :)I'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon on the salad.
No grilled chicken strips, either?
I'd had enough protein at lunch. I'll put the salmon on a salad today.
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
-sw
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
-sw
On 2024-02-09 11:02 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I knew you'd wind up putting that grilled salmon on a salad. :)I'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon on the salad. >>>> No grilled chicken strips, either?
I'd had enough protein at lunch. I'll put the salmon on a salad today. >>>
Earlier this week my wife used leftover baked salmon to make creamed
salmon on patty shells. I had only ever had it made with canned salmon.
It was very tasty this way.
On 2/9/2024 5:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:Harks back to the Bisquik baking mix "cheeseburger pie", except that
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >>>>>> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
care of cows?
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
Looks like some sort of hamburger pie. The gravy is suspiciously
colored. I suspect a mix, can, or jar was involved.
also doesn't involve pouring gravy on top. The gravy in that pic is
dark enough to look like chocolate. If he made it from scratch the roux
must have been very dark.
I certainly prefer to know at the outset what kind of meat I'mI know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
facing. "Care for a piece of this lovely ground turkey pie?"
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes. >>>Always.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.When you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top >>> of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
In the upper peninsula of Michigan, the great controversy is whether
one uses ketchup or gravy on a pasty. The crust is made sturdy enough
to withstand either one.
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
On 2/9/2024 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
Earlier this week my wife used leftover baked salmon to make creamedI don't recall ever having had creamed salmon.
salmon on patty shells. I had only ever had it made with canned
salmon. It was very tasty this way.
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:The corned beef briskets offered in stores here is nearly always the
On 2/8/2024 4:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we argued
chili around this time of year.
I'm not going to argue about chili because I rarely make it.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's DayI'm looking forward to it. I *love* corned beef brisket.
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
So do I. I find corned beef round to be extremely disappointing.
flat cut, not point cut.
Sadly, my husband doesn't like corned beef, so I never cook it atI've never had pastrami. When I think of pastrami the first thing that
home. On the other hand, he introduced me to pastrami, which I find
superior to corned beef.
comes to mind is sandwiches. I don't eat sandwiches very often, not
even when I have leftover corned beef brisket. LOL
I knew you'd wind up putting that grilled salmon on a salad. :)Yesterday's lunch was grilled salmon with a side salad and theI'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon on the salad.
"vegetable of the day" (carrots and broccoli). Half the portion
of salmon came home with me and awaits another meal.
Supper was a big salad.
No grilled chicken strips, either?
I'd had enough protein at lunch. I'll put the salmon on a salad today.
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:The corned beef briskets offered in stores here is nearly always the
On 2/8/2024 4:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we argued
chili around this time of year.
I'm not going to argue about chili because I rarely make it.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's DayI'm looking forward to it. I *love* corned beef brisket.
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
So do I. I find corned beef round to be extremely disappointing.
flat cut, not point cut.
Point is too fatty, but it's nice to get a mix of slices from
flat and point when buying it sliced at the deli.
Round is just too lean.
Sadly, my husband doesn't like corned beef, so I never cook it atI've never had pastrami. When I think of pastrami the first thing that
home. On the other hand, he introduced me to pastrami, which I find
superior to corned beef.
comes to mind is sandwiches. I don't eat sandwiches very often, not
even when I have leftover corned beef brisket. LOL
I love sandwiches. I can take or leave straight corned beef. The
boiled vegetables that usually accompany it do nothing for me.
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
On 2/9/2024 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 11:02 a.m., jmcquown wrote:I don't recall ever having had creamed salmon.
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I knew you'd wind up putting that grilled salmon on a salad. :)I'm surprised you didn't put the leftover grilled salmon
on the salad.
No grilled chicken strips, either?
I'd had enough protein at lunch. I'll put the salmon on a
salad today.
Earlier this week my wife used leftover baked salmon to make
creamed salmon on patty shells. I had only ever had it made
with canned salmon. It was very tasty this way.
Jill
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/9/2024 5:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:Harks back to the Bisquik baking mix "cheeseburger pie", except that
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just tooShepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
care of cows?
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages. >>>>>>
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
Looks like some sort of hamburger pie. The gravy is suspiciously
colored. I suspect a mix, can, or jar was involved.
also doesn't involve pouring gravy on top. The gravy in that pic is
dark enough to look like chocolate. If he made it from scratch the roux
must have been very dark.
If the roux was very dark I doubt the gravy would be so thick. He
probably added dark soy sauce.
I certainly prefer to know at the outset what kind of meat I'mI know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
facing. "Care for a piece of this lovely ground turkey pie?"
When I make a cottage or shepherd's pie, it's topped with mashed potatoes.
Always.
When I make a meat pie, it has a pastry crust.When you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top >>>> of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
In the upper peninsula of Michigan, the great controversy is whether
one uses ketchup or gravy on a pasty. The crust is made sturdy enough
to withstand either one.
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
On 2/9/2024 4:16 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:I can't say I've ever had the round, unless it was that one
On 2/9/2024 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:The corned beef briskets offered in stores here is nearly
On 2/8/2024 4:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English
grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war? I thought we
argued
chili around this time of year.
I'm not going to argue about chili because I rarely make it.
Don't forget: St. Patrick's DayI'm looking forward to it. I *love* corned beef brisket.
is coming up, and we can talk about corned beef.
So do I. I find corned beef round to be extremely
disappointing.
always the
flat cut, not point cut.
Point is too fatty, but it's nice to get a mix of slices from
flat and point when buying it sliced at the deli.
Round is just too lean.
year I was too late to the store to buy the flat brisket and
all they had was Boars Head brand corned beef. That stuff was
terrible.
I cook corned beef in the crock pot with a minimal amount ofSadly, my husband doesn't like corned beef, so I never cookI've never had pastrami. When I think of pastrami the first
it at
home. On the other hand, he introduced me to pastrami,
which I find
superior to corned beef.
thing that
comes to mind is sandwiches. I don't eat sandwiches very
often, not
even when I have leftover corned beef brisket. LOL
I love sandwiches. I can take or leave straight corned
beef. The
boiled vegetables that usually accompany it do nothing for me.
water. The only vegetable I add is a cabbage, cut into wedges,
added on top towards the end.
Jill
On 2024-02-09 4:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English
grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've
seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped
in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt).
It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll
add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun
with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At
least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a
lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is
too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion,
tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is
seems to be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way
too sweet. I put a little bit in meatloaf and eat the cooked
result with just a little ketchup. I like a little on macaroni
and cheese and a little on a fried egg sandwich or a toasted
western sandwich. I am interested in trying a higher quality
ketchup if such a thing exists. I have considered making some
but the shelf life is apparently short and it takes me as much
as a year to use up a bottle of the commercial stuff.
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
Load your hamburger up however you wish. Doesn't bother me a bit. :)
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
remember
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to
be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato
sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some
things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich
ketchup out of the bottle. Now they sell it in those bottles
that are designed to be stored upside down so you don't notice
how weak and watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so
good that I will use it.
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
On 2024-02-09 2:19 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
I don't recall ever having had creamed salmon.
You gotta try it sometime. It is quick, easy and delicious. It's just a white sauce with a bit of mustard powder,onion powder,lemon juice and salmon.A bit of dill weed in it is nice. Break up the salmon into the
sauce, heat and serve on toast or, my preference, patty shells.
On 2024-02-09, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-09 2:19 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
I don't recall ever having had creamed salmon.
You gotta try it sometime. It is quick, easy and delicious. It's just a
white sauce with a bit of mustard powder,onion powder,lemon juice and
salmon.A bit of dill weed in it is nice. Break up the salmon into the
sauce, heat and serve on toast or, my preference, patty shells.
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt
easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
Leo's creamed shrimp on toast
INGREDIENTS:
1 can of shrimp
white sauce any way you like to make it
buttered toast
paprika to pretty it up
METHOD:
Make some white sauce and throw the shrimp into it.
Toast two slices of bread, butter them and cut one slice diagonally.
Arrange the toast on a plate with the diagonals placed at two ends of
the whole piece of toast.
Dump the shrimp and white sauce on the toast and sprinkle with paprika. That's it.
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich ketchup
out of the bottle.
Now they sell it in those bottles that are designed
to be stored upside down so you don't notice how weak and watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so good that
I will use it.
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:20:34 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >>>>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so >>>>>> the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be >>>>>> cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of >>>>>> Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >>>>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
I had to think pretty hard and deep about this comment. And I've
decided you're wrong. Burgers require more than just meat and
bun.
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
Fuggit. I'm having a hamburger for dinner. Pfffft!
=sw
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
On 08/02/2024 15:26, Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take
care of cows?
Well, _some_ shepherds take care of cows...
A cousin-in-law (is that a thing?) is a shepherd, but he also raises
Highland cattle.
In article <kg6xN.342021$c3Ea.324753@fx10.iad>,
adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Too late, of course I did.
You do score a bonus point for not spelling it shepard.
On 2024-02-09, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/9/2024 5:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-08, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:Harks back to the Bisquik baking mix "cheeseburger pie", except that
On 2/8/2024 3:59 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
On 08/02/2024 20:19, dsi1 wrote:A little gravy? I don't know what that is a picture of but it is
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:Ick.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just tooShepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds >>>>>>>> takeI would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
care of cows?
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages. >>>>>>
pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
certainly not any sort of "meat pie" I've ever seen.
Looks like some sort of hamburger pie. The gravy is suspiciously
colored. I suspect a mix, can, or jar was involved.
also doesn't involve pouring gravy on top. The gravy in that pic is
dark enough to look like chocolate. If he made it from scratch the roux
must have been very dark.
If the roux was very dark I doubt the gravy would be so thick. He
probably added dark soy sauce.
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one withWhen you make a meat pie I'm sure you don't pour a bunch of gravy on top >>>> of it. That would totally destroy the crust!
In the upper peninsula of Michigan, the great controversy is whether
one uses ketchup or gravy on a pasty. The crust is made sturdy enough
to withstand either one.
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much
Would that not be Cottage pie?
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >> >>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take >> > care of cows?
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:54:33 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:supposed to be.
In article <c7b8c6f5-a8f6-4998-90e5-
737723...@googlegroups.com>, dsi...@hawaiiantel.net
says...
You're happy to call anything containing flesh a meat
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:06 AM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much >> > > can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have
neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
Tonight I'm making potroast in the frying pan. Yep, can't hardly tell
the difference.
The history of the names of things are not as important as usage.
pie. I prefer to know what animal its from, how it's been
prepared and whether the top is potato or pastry.
We don't know the etymology/history of most of ourwords.
Speak for yourself (or your own dying language).
I spent years studying the history and etymology of the
English language, and teaching it.
Who needs all that baggage??
People who think accurate communication is more important
than muddling along on bad guesses.
Janet UK
All that studying and you still won't know what's in a shepherd's pie. Somethings awfully wrong, eh? You should have been studying how people use words instead. I sure did. Here's a shepherd's pie that cares very little about what you believe it's
https://photos.app.goo.gl/DC45uMPPfbctcRME6
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:59:13 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 12:19:18 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 2/8/2024 10:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >> >> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Would that not be Cottage pie?
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds take >> >> > care of cows?
I prefer to say "meat pie." Shepherd and cottage pie is just too pretentious for me. I like a little gravy on my pie.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/W4SvdgoygWcywBXq7
If you or your relatives ever can't find a ring or similar small
object, check under the gravy.
I love meat pies. I've made a lot of them. My least favorite would be calzone.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vSjTW7oiMZkACr2N7
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:48:06 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
It certainly could be that thick if you don't add a lot of liquid to it,
but I get your point. Don't forget to call soy sauce "shoyu", otherwise
you're disrespecting his ancestors. LOL
It would certainly be pretentious if you used the word "shoyu" instead of soy sauce.
When I was growing up it would be pretentious of me to use the word "soy sauce" on this rock.
These days, we got all kinds of soy sauce. I like to use the terms soy sauce and shoyu correctly.
All shoyu is soy sauce, most soy sauce is not shoyu. That's the breaks.
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:48:06 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
It certainly could be that thick if you don't add a lot of liquid to it,
but I get your point. Don't forget to call soy sauce "shoyu", otherwise
you're disrespecting his ancestors. LOL
It would certainly be pretentious if you used the word "shoyu" instead of soy sauce.
When I was growing up it would be pretentious of me to use the word "soy sauce" on this rock.
These days, we got all kinds of soy sauce. I like to use the terms soy sauce and shoyu correctly.
All shoyu is soy sauce, most soy sauce is not shoyu. That's the breaks.
On 2/9/2024 6:28 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:20:34 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English
grandmother made it...
with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've
seasoned it with
S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it
wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt).
It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll
add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun
with a handful
of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
I had to think pretty hard and deep about this comment. And I've
decided you're wrong. Burgers require more than just meat and
bun.
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion,
tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it
was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
Fuggit. I'm having a hamburger for dinner. Pfffft!
=sw
Be sure to make it nice and sloppy and pile it high so you have
to unhinge your jaw like Guy Fieri. ;)
Jill
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:33:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:48:06 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:What determines whether soy sauce is shoyu?
It certainly could be that thick if you don't add a lot of liquid to it, >> >> but I get your point. Don't forget to call soy sauce "shoyu", otherwise >> >> you're disrespecting his ancestors. LOL
It would certainly be pretentious if you used the word "shoyu" instead of soy sauce.
When I was growing up it would be pretentious of me to use the word "soy sauce" on this rock.
These days, we got all kinds of soy sauce. I like to use the terms soy sauce and shoyu correctly.
All shoyu is soy sauce, most soy sauce is not shoyu. That's the breaks.
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 4:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost> wrote:Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English
grandmother made it... with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've
seasoned it with S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder
and have it wrapped in plastic so the salt can work it's
magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be cooked in the
small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash
of Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun
with a handful of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles...
speshcul sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of the
diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least
make that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot
of shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at
his memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is
too short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I have
a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato, and
lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was cooked
medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to
be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet. I
put a little bit in meatloaf and eat the cooked result with just a
little ketchup. I like a little on macaroni and cheese and a little
on a fried egg sandwich or a toasted western sandwich. I am
interested in trying a higher quality ketchup if such a thing
exists. I have considered making some but the shelf life is
apparently short and it takes me as much as a year to use up a
bottle of the commercial stuff.
My guess is that you could easily mix up some yourself. Tomato paste,
sugar, salt, vinegar, and water. Some garlic powder, if you like.
On 2/9/2024 5:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember >>>> ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a >>>> thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song
"Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich
ketchup out of the bottle.
Advertising. Was it really that thick? Methinks slow frame camera trick.
Now they sell it in those bottles that are designed to be storedIf you can find good ripe tomatoes, why not give it a try? I wouldn't bother but then I don't have any use for ketchup.
upside down so you don't notice how weak and watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so good
that I will use it.
Jill
It was a lot thicker than it is now. Most of us old farts remember
having to shake hard to get it out of the bottle, and there was the
trick of whacking in on the bottom to get it moving.
On 2024-02-09 9:47 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
It was a lot thicker than it is now. Most of us old farts remember
having to shake hard to get it out of the bottle, and there was the
trick of whacking in on the bottom to get it moving.
When you shake the ketchup bottle,
Nothing comes
And then a lot'll.
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 4:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost> wrote:Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >> >>>>>> with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've seasoned it with >> >>>>> S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder and have it wrapped in plastic so
the salt can work it's magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be
cooked in the small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash of
Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun with a handful >> >>>>> of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles... speshcul
sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of
the diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least make
that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot of
shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at his
memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is too
short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I
have a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato,
and lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was
cooked medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet. I put a little bit
in meatloaf and eat the cooked result with just a little ketchup. I like
a little on macaroni and cheese and a little on a fried egg sandwich or
a toasted western sandwich. I am interested in trying a higher quality
ketchup if such a thing exists. I have considered making some but the
shelf life is apparently short and it takes me as much as a year to use
up a bottle of the commercial stuff.
My guess is that you could easily mix up some yourself. Tomato paste, sugar, salt, vinegar, and water. Some garlic powder, if you like.
On 2/9/2024 5:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember >>>> ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a >>>> thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that
is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song
"Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich ketchup
out of the bottle.
Advertising. Was it really that thick? Methinks slow frame camera trick.
On 2024-02-09 7:50 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 4:20 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-09, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost> wrote:Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:09:15 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:29:32 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
On 2/7/2024 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English
grandmother made it... with beef.
Cottage Pie! ;)
I'm cooking a hamburger (ground chuck) tonight. I've
seasoned it with S&P and a sprinkling of garlic powder
and have it wrapped in plastic so the salt can work it's
magic. (I'm not afraid of salt). It will be cooked in the
small cast iron skillet to med-rare; I'll add a splash
of Worcestershire sauce. Served on a toasted buttered bun
with a handful of potato chips on the side.
No Lettuce, tomato, cheese ... bacon... pickles...
speshcul sauce... sesame seed bun... anything?
Throw it a bone, will ya?
Nope, I eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers plain.
It's not even a cheeseburger. It's gotta have some sort of
"finishing" sauce, at least - ketchup, mustard, relish
No, it doesn't gotta. It's entirely the personal choice of the
diner.
....something! Heck, why even bother with a bun?!? At least
make that a side of garlic bread or something!
I knew somebody for a few decades where all burgers, dogs, and
sandwiches had to come absolutely dry (no condiments, cheese,
vegetables). And he was very insistent about it and got a lot
of shit about it. We all made fun of him for this oddity at
his memorial.
Don't be a Dick Barker (of 2422 Rolling Farms Road). Life is
too short! Viva La Ketchup and Mayo!
God, I hate ketchup. I usually spread mayo on the bun when I have
a burger. The one I ate yesterday was burger, onion, tomato, and
lettuce on a bun. No mayo. It was delicious. Since it was cooked
medium rare, it didn't need any lube.
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to
be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet. I
put a little bit in meatloaf and eat the cooked result with just a
little ketchup. I like a little on macaroni and cheese and a little
on a fried egg sandwich or a toasted western sandwich. I am
interested in trying a higher quality ketchup if such a thing
exists. I have considered making some but the shelf life is
apparently short and it takes me as much as a year to use up a
bottle of the commercial stuff.
My guess is that you could easily mix up some yourself. Tomato paste,
sugar, salt, vinegar, and water. Some garlic powder, if you like.
You're close... Tomato sauce, tomato paste, brown sugar, vinegar,
various spices, simmer for 20 minutes, let it cool and put it in a jar.
The problem is that it only keeps for a week or two. That would be a six month supply of ketchup for me, unless it was way better than I can
imagine ketchup being.
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Subject: Re: Supper tonight
From: Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
On 2024-02-09 7:50 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
[quoted text muted]
apparently short and it takes me as much as a year to use up a
bottle of the commercial stuff.
My guess is that you could easily mix up some yourself. Tomato paste, sugar, salt, vinegar, and water. Some garlic powder, if you like.
You're close... Tomato sauce, tomato paste, brown sugar, vinegar,
various spices, simmer for 20 minutes, let it cool and put it in a jar.
The problem is that it only keeps for a week or two.
month supply of ketchup for me, unless it was way better than I can
imagine ketchup being.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 14:20:58 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much >can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
Would that not be Cottage pie?
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
Good point. All these people, like Dave, who say "don't call it faux
meat if there's no meat in it" suddenly demand tolerance about the
wrong use of "shepherds pie". At least say "faux shepherds pie" then.
In article <0AwxN.440514$83n7.147725@fx18.iad>,
hamilton@invalid.com says...
Jill said
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Here, they are sold as hand-held street, beach or
picnic food. No need for plate, cutlery, or gravy.
The main train station in Glasgow has a pasty shop doing a
brisk trade in hot pasties for travellers.
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt
easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
On 2/8/2024 10:20 PM, songbird wrote:...
S Viemeister wrote:
...
I wouldn't consider pouring gravy on my beautiful pastry!
i guess that is why they call it the upper crust?
really though, i would have no problem at all pouring
gravy on a meat pie with a crust on it. right before i ate
it would be best, but i'm not one to quibble too much about
things like this.
no gravy? i would use ketchup or whatever else i could
find.
BBQ sauce, no doubt. ;) ;)
Sadly, slang and muddling along are in the majority, everywhere. You don't know that by now?
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
I cook corned beef in the crock pot with a minimal amount of water. The
only vegetable I add is a cabbage, cut into wedges, added on top towards
the end.
jmcquown wrote:
...
I cook corned beef in the crock pot with a minimal amount of water. The
only vegetable I add is a cabbage, cut into wedges, added on top towards
the end.
sounds good to me! line it up - i'm in.
songbird (no bbq sauce needed)
In article <0AwxN.440514$83n7.147725@fx18.iad>,
hamilton@invalid.com says...
Jill said
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Here, they are sold as hand-held street, beach or
picnic food. No need for plate, cutlery, or gravy.
The main train station in Glasgow has a pasty shop doing a
brisk trade in hot pasties for travellers.
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt
easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
creamed salmon sounds fine, i can handle canned or
fresh salmon ok. *whew!* tuna is last choice for me
mostly because i've eaten so much of it in my life
that i'd rather eat other things instead. i've never
gotten tired of canned sardines (likely because they
come in many flavors or are easily topped with hot
sauce or other things as i'm eating them from the
can).
On 2024-02-10, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/9/2024 5:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember >>>>> ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more of a >>>>> thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that >>>> is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I
find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song
"Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich ketchup
out of the bottle.
Advertising. Was it really that thick? Methinks slow frame camera trick.
Glass bottle. Now you can squeeze the plastic bottle and it
dispenses much more quickly.
Here's another fun fact: ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid. When
you shake it, it becomes thinner.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ketchup-is-not-just-a-condiment-it-is-also-a-non-newtonian-fluid/
I've been buying Heinz "Simply Ketchup". I'm not sure my husband
cares and I don't eat ketchup.
On 2024-02-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt
easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish
that wasn't mealy and gross.
On 2024-02-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt
easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish
that wasn't mealy and gross.
creamed salmon sounds fine, i can handle canned or
fresh salmon ok. *whew!* tuna is last choice for me
mostly because i've eaten so much of it in my life
that i'd rather eat other things instead. i've never
gotten tired of canned sardines (likely because they
come in many flavors or are easily topped with hot
sauce or other things as i'm eating them from the
can).
On 2/10/2024 11:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish(snippage)
that wasn't mealy and gross.
Definitely texture. Canned shrimp is mushy. It's understandable Leo
would have used it for something like creamed shrimp since he's in
Nevada and back in the day frozen shrimp was probably very hard to find.
 Same goes for any state far from an ocean.
On 2/10/2024 11:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:(snippage)
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt >>>> easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish,
and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish
that wasn't mealy and gross.
Definitely texture. Canned shrimp is mushy. It's understandable Leo
would have used it for something like creamed shrimp since he's in
Nevada and back in the day frozen shrimp was probably very hard to find.
Same goes for any state far from an ocean.
In article <uq6l61$2sd4n$12@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 14:20:58 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 2/8/2024 11:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:26 a.m., Ed P wrote:There is a tradition behind it though and that gave the name. How much
Would that not be Cottage pie?
Shepherds usually overlook the flocks of sheep/lambs. Do shepherds
take care of cows?
I would suggest that the vast majority of people who make the stuff have >> >> neither cows nor sheep, and they probably don't live in cottages.
can you change and still retain the name? Is tofu instead of cheese
still a cheesecake? Is a cheeseburger still the same name if there is
no burger in it?
Good point. All these people, like Dave, who say "don't call it faux
meat if there's no meat in it" suddenly demand tolerance about the
wrong use of "shepherds pie". At least say "faux shepherds pie" then.
Just remember faux is not pronounced "fox".
Better to play safe with words like sham, fake, phoney,
bogus.
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>>Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
forresters are called squirrel herders (or at least they
were when i was gaming and made up a character that was a
forrester :) ).
he went down in infamy, towards the end of the campaign
he came across an amulet that was rather chaotic and one of
the rare outcomes was "unbearable stench", like a 2% chance.
of course that was what was rolled. entire party had to
survive barfing in the middle of a rather complicated battle.
oops.
On 2/10/2024 5:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:That makes sense. Eons ago when I was working as a server in a
On 2/9/2024 5:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I remember >>>>>> ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems to be more >>>>>> of a
thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce that >>>>> is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some things, I >>>>> find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song
"Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich ketchup >>>> out of the bottle.
Advertising. Was it really that thick? Methinks slow frame camera
trick.
Glass bottle. Now you can squeeze the plastic bottle and it
dispenses much more quickly.
restaurant, as side work we used to have to do a thing called "marrying" ketchup. Those were glass bottles. The term "marrying" meant pouring
the inch or so left in some bottles into bottles that were only about
half or 3/4 full to make a full bottle. Now that I think about it, it
did seem to take a long time for that ketchup to move!
I understood it from a cost standpoint. But those bottles weren't refrigerated; they were wiped down and put right back out on the tables.
 In hindsight, from a food safety standpoint, the practice seems a
little iffy.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>>> Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
On 2024-02-10 11:59 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>>>> Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
On 2024-02-10, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <0AwxN.440514$83n7.147725@fx18.iad>,
hamilton@invalid.com says...
Jill said
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy >>> > more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Here, they are sold as hand-held street, beach or
picnic food. No need for plate, cutlery, or gravy.
Cultural differences. If Americans want hand-held foods, they
go to McDonald's or a hot dog cart. In any event, the ketchup vs.
gravy controversy is particular to Michigan's upper peninsula.
We find the base-level pasty somewhat bland and dry. It's no
surprise to find people adding sauces. I might use sriracha.
I note that the pasty migrated to Mexico, where they are stuffed
with all sorts of things.
The main train station in Glasgow has a pasty shop doing a
brisk trade in hot pasties for travellers.
How hot? In the U.S., protein-based foods for public consumption
must be held at above 140 F or below 40 F. 140 F is hot enough
to burn skin. Although I suppose wrapping it in paper would help.
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems
to be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce
that is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some
things, I find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich
ketchup out of the bottle. Now they sell it in those bottles that are designed to be stored upside down so you don't notice how weak and
watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so good
that I will use it.
Okay. I've never had a pasty but think I'd prefer to try one
hand-held first, to get the taste of the filling and the crust.
Jill
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:48:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> >> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:33:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
liquid to it, >> >> but I get your point. Don't forget to call soyOn Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:48:06 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
It certainly could be that thick if you don't add a lot of
sauce "shoyu", otherwise >> >> you're disrespecting his ancestors.
LOL >> >
instead of soy sauce. >> >When I was growing up it would beIt would certainly be pretentious if you used the word "shoyu"
pretentious of me to use the word "soy sauce" on this rock. >>
These days, we got all kinds of soy sauce. I like to use the termssoy sauce and shoyu correctly. >> >All shoyu is soy sauce, most soy
sauce is not shoyu. That's the breaks. >> > >> What determines
whether soy sauce is shoyu?
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
I didn't know that.
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:32:46 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
I don't find the King Oscar brand to be stinky, but you could eat them outsideI like sardines when I eat them but I am reluctant to open a can of them
and be exposed to that smell. It is strong and it lingers.
if you find the odor lingers in the house. Maybe eating them outside is not something you'd like to do in the winter though.
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is seems
to be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato sauce
that is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For some
things, I find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song
"Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich
ketchup out of the bottle. Now they sell it in those bottles that are
designed to be stored upside down so you don't notice how weak and
watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so good
that I will use it.
It will be. Just use a good quality tomato sauce with no added sugar
or salt. Look to the bottom shelf of the tomato area. You'll be
surprised at how much better tasting they are than Hunts, Heinz or
Contadina! The so-called off brands are anything but 'off'. They pack
a genuine tomato flavor.
Ignore sugar additions in the recipe as you can add it later but apt to
find it naturally 'sweet'.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:06:36 AM UTC-10, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:36:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:48:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
I didn't know that.What determines whether soy sauce is shoyu?
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called Shoyu.
Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
On 2024-02-10 4:12 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:06:36 AM UTC-10,
lucr...@florence.it wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:36:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
This is curious. I have not seen any posts for a while. Since people are replying to her she is obviously here. She is not filtered intentionally
and is not appearing in my filter log. She has just virtually disappeared.
On 2024-02-10 11:59 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made
it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
On 2/10/2024 5:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-10 4:12 p.m., dsi1 wrote:Who disappeared?
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:06:36 AM UTC-10,
lucr...@florence.it wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:36:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
This is curious. I have not seen any posts for a while. Since people are
replying to her she is obviously here. She is not filtered intentionally
and is not appearing in my filter log. She has just virtually disappeared. >>
On 2/10/2024 2:11 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-10 11:59 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made >>>>>>>> it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Herding cats... IIRC this was a Superbowl commercial a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE
I think they're playing that game again tomorrow.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:36:37 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> On 2024-02-10, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:little greasy. Too greasy for my delicate old-man guts. The young'uns might fare better gut-wise. We ate a lot of pasties in Montana. One was served with gravy. I think I can make a better pasty even though I've never been anywhere near a mine.
In article <0AwxN.440514$83n7....@fx18.iad>,Cultural differences. If Americans want hand-held foods, they
hami...@invalid.com says...
Jill said
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with
ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy >> >> > more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Here, they are sold as hand-held street, beach or
picnic food. No need for plate, cutlery, or gravy.
go to McDonald's or a hot dog cart. In any event, the ketchup vs.
gravy controversy is particular to Michigan's upper peninsula.
We find the base-level pasty somewhat bland and dry. It's no
surprise to find people adding sauces. I might use sriracha.
I note that the pasty migrated to Mexico, where they are stuffed
with all sorts of things.
The main train station in Glasgow has a pasty shop doing aHow hot? In the U.S., protein-based foods for public consumption
brisk trade in hot pasties for travellers.
must be held at above 140 F or below 40 F. 140 F is hot enough
to burn skin. Although I suppose wrapping it in paper would help.
--
Cindy Hamilton
We ate pasties in Montana. Montana, like Cornwall, has a history of mining and a mining culture. Pasties are a popular specialty item in Butte Montana as is a pork chop sandwich. We had a Wop Chop sandwich at the Freeway Tavern. I thought it was a
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cjJRatA1ABAvkHsb8That looks like a super greasy donut on a roll. If you squeezed that
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:48:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06?PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
I didn't know that.What determines whether soy sauce is shoyu?
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called Shoyu.
Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're precise,
because it isn't.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:little greasy. Too greasy for my delicate old-man guts. The young'uns might fare better gut-wise. We ate a lot of pasties in Montana. One was served with gravy. I think I can make a better pasty even though I've never been anywhere near a mine.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 16:29:46 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:36:37 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
In article <0AwxN.440514$83n7....@fx18.iad>,Cultural differences. If Americans want hand-held foods, they
hami...@invalid.com says...
Jill said
I know pasties are a hand-held pie but wouldn't smothering one with >> >> >> > ketchup or gravy make it a little messy to eat? Or is the controversy
more about what to dip the pasty in?
They're rarely eaten hand-held anymore. I had at least one the last
time I went to Mackinac City. It was served on a plate with gravy.
Here, they are sold as hand-held street, beach or
picnic food. No need for plate, cutlery, or gravy.
go to McDonald's or a hot dog cart. In any event, the ketchup vs.
gravy controversy is particular to Michigan's upper peninsula.
We find the base-level pasty somewhat bland and dry. It's no
surprise to find people adding sauces. I might use sriracha.
I note that the pasty migrated to Mexico, where they are stuffed
with all sorts of things.
The main train station in Glasgow has a pasty shop doing aHow hot? In the U.S., protein-based foods for public consumption
brisk trade in hot pasties for travellers.
must be held at above 140 F or below 40 F. 140 F is hot enough
to burn skin. Although I suppose wrapping it in paper would help.
--
Cindy Hamilton
We ate pasties in Montana. Montana, like Cornwall, has a history of mining and a mining culture. Pasties are a popular specialty item in Butte Montana as is a pork chop sandwich. We had a Wop Chop sandwich at the Freeway Tavern. I thought it was a
That looks like a super greasy donut on a roll. If you squeezed that
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cjJRatA1ABAvkHsb8
donut in the empty gas tank of a car, you could drive 5 miles.
That's no donut.
It's a wop pork chop. You might feel insulted by the word "wop" if you're Italian.
Luckily, there are no Italians in Montana.
My guess is that pork chop would look just fine if you worked in the mines of Montana for 12 hours a day.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:35:49 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:25:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
My guess is that pork chop would look just fine if you worked in the mines of Montana for 12 hours a day.
Because you're going to die young anyway?
That's highly likely. Mining is a dangerous line of work.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R8ds3jj3cXciL2AHA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zsUpS9yzefhKaQKj9
https://news.thediggings.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2019/03/IMG_0042-1024x683.jpg
In article <XgUxN.67342$5Hnd.12719@fx03.iad>,
j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
On 2/10/2024 2:11 PM, Graham wrote:
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
Herding cats... IIRC this was a Superbowl commercial a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE
Lol, thanks
Janet UK
On 2024-02-10 2:11 p.m., Graham wrote:
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
If someone could find a way to herd cats we should hire them to arrange family events for my wife's family.
On 2/10/2024 2:11 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-10 11:59 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made >>>>>>> it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Herding cats... IIRC this was a Superbowl commercial a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE
On 2/10/2024 4:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-10 2:11 p.m., Graham wrote:
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
If someone could find a way to herd cats we should hire them to
arrange family events for my wife's family.
It's been done. The herders are a special breed as shown in an old
Super-Bowl commercial. Hey, that's today. How appropriate to mention
such a thing.
On 2/11/2024 9:53 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:Oops!
On 2024-02-10 2:11 p.m., Graham wrote:
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
If someone could find a way to herd cats we should hire them to
arrange family events for my wife's family.
It's been done. The herders are a special breed as shown in an old
Super-Bowl commercial. Hey, that's today. How appropriate to mention
such a thing.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8SdsQjdHnM
On 2024-02-09 2:19 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
On 2/9/2024 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
Earlier this week my wife used leftover baked salmon to make creamedI don't recall ever having had creamed salmon.
salmon on patty shells. I had only ever had it made with canned
salmon. It was very tasty this way.
You gotta try it sometime. It is quick, easy and delicious. It's just a white sauce with a bit of mustard powder,onion powder,lemon juice and salmon.A bit of dill weed in it is nice. Break up the salmon into the sauce, heat and serve on toast or, my preference, patty shells.
On 2024-02-10, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/10/2024 11:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:(snippage)
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt >>>>> easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish, >>>>> and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet.
egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish
that wasn't mealy and gross.
Definitely texture. Canned shrimp is mushy. It's understandable Leo
would have used it for something like creamed shrimp since he's in
Nevada and back in the day frozen shrimp was probably very hard to find.
Same goes for any state far from an ocean.
I'm not as old as Leo, but I can remember frozen shrimp nearly all
my life. At first it was so expensive that we pretty much had
shrimp only on New Year's Eve. Later it dropped in price and we
could get fried shrimp delivered just like pizza.
On 2024-02-11 9:55 a.m., Gary wrote:
On 2/11/2024 9:53 AM, Gary wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:Oops!
On 2024-02-10 2:11 p.m., Graham wrote:
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem. >>>>>> Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
If someone could find a way to herd cats we should hire them to
arrange family events for my wife's family.
It's been done. The herders are a special breed as shown in an old
Super-Bowl commercial. Hey, that's today. How appropriate to mention
such a thing.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8SdsQjdHnM
I loved that commercial the first time I saw it. It is very
entertaining. I wonder how effective it is. I wonder how many people
can say what product it is advertising without going back to check.
On 2/10/2024 1:10 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:Where I live you might think fresh shrimp would be inexpensive. It's
On 2/10/2024 11:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:(snippage)
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
...
I used to love creamed shrimp on toast. I probably still do. It's dirt >>>>>> easy to make. Why don't I remember to make it?egads, canned shrimp, i'd rather eat raw oats or
Oh, wait! My wife doesn't like it. I use canned shrimp for the dish, >>>>>> and she only eats fresh or frozen shrimp. I haven't tried that yet. >>>>>
plain tofu (cold and unspiced) - which are both rather
extreme, but canned shrimp is just not worth it IMO as
i'd vastly prefer a can of sardines.
It's the texture for me. I've never found a canned shellfish
that wasn't mealy and gross.
Definitely texture. Canned shrimp is mushy. It's understandable Leo
would have used it for something like creamed shrimp since he's in
Nevada and back in the day frozen shrimp was probably very hard to find. >>> Same goes for any state far from an ocean.
I'm not as old as Leo, but I can remember frozen shrimp nearly all
my life. At first it was so expensive that we pretty much had
shrimp only on New Year's Eve. Later it dropped in price and we
could get fried shrimp delivered just like pizza.
not. The shrimpers sell their catch to large conglomerates. Even the
local seafood restaurants don't serve fresh caught local shrimp because
the price is prohibitive.
I grew up with the occasional "shrimp cocktail" on holidays. Christmas
and New Year's Eve. That was from frozen peeled and deveined (not
breaded) shrimp draped gracefully over a glass containing some bottled cocktail sauce.
On 2/10/2024 1:10 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Where I live you might think fresh shrimp would be inexpensive. It's
not. The shrimpers sell their catch to large conglomerates. Even the local seafood restaurants don't serve fresh caught local shrimp because
the price is prohibitive.
I grew up with the occasional "shrimp cocktail" on holidays. Christmas
and New Year's Eve. That was from frozen peeled and deveined (not
breaded) shrimp draped gracefully over a glass containing some bottled cocktail sauce.
On 2/10/2024 2:11 PM, Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-10 11:59 a.m., Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:35:36 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
In article <uq6kge$2sd4n$6@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made >>>>>>>> it...
with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it
wasn't
Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the problem.
Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided you herd them.
Herding cats... IIRC this was a Superbowl commercial a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE
On 2/10/2024 10:20 AM, jmcquown wrote:
I understood it from a cost standpoint. But those bottles weren't refrigerated; they were wiped down and put right back out on the
tables. Â In hindsight, from a food safety standpoint, the
practice seems a little iffy.
Ketchup is acidic. I've never refrigerated it. I don't want to put
cold ketchup on my hot food.
On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:10:06 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
It will be. Just use a good quality tomato sauce with no added
sugar or salt. Look to the bottom shelf of the tomato area. You'll
be surprised at how much better tasting they are than Hunts, Heinz
or Contadina! The so-called off brands are anything but 'off'. They
pack a genuine tomato flavor.
Ignore sugar additions in the recipe as you can add it later but
apt to find it naturally 'sweet'.
But, avoiding sugar and salt is a little too hospitally or 'rest
homeish' of a thing to say in a cooking group, isn't it?
On 2024-02-10 3:09 p.m., cshenk wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-09 5:35 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :
Is ketchup different that it used to be or is it just me? I
remember ketchup having a rich tomato taste. These days is
seems to be more of a thin, slightly tomato sauce that is way
too sweet.
I must be buying the same ketchup, a thin, slightly tomato
sauce that is way too sweet. I tend to use it sparingly. For
some things, I find salsa a fair substitute.
I am thinking back to the 70s when they used Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" as the someone was trying to get the thick, rich
ketchup out of the bottle. Now they sell it in those bottles that
are designed to be stored upside down so you don't notice how
weak and watery it is.
Maybe I should make some. There is a chance that it will be so
good that I will use it.
It will be. Just use a good quality tomato sauce with no added
sugar or salt. Look to the bottom shelf of the tomato area.
You'll be surprised at how much better tasting they are than Hunts,
Heinz or Contadina! The so-called off brands are anything but
'off'. They pack a genuine tomato flavor.
I have been getting Italian canned tomatoes and sauces lately. They
are way better than the North American brands. I had a couple dishes
that called for a can of tomatoes and when I used the Italian
products the results were infinitely better.
Ignore sugar additions in the recipe as you can add it later but
apt to find it naturally 'sweet'.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> >> wrote:On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:48:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
I didn't know that.What determines whether soy sauce is shoyu?
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called Shoyu.
Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're precise,
because it isn't.
Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> >> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:48:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1
But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
I didn't know that.What determines whether soy sauce is shoyu?
Shoyu is Japanese soy sauce.
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called Shoyu.
Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're precise,
because it isn't.
No, in Japan the call the Chinese versions shoyu. That's just use of a different language. I suspect Hawaiian habits make a difference but
the Japanese don't. David is apparently just repeating a rational the Hawaiians use?
On 2/10/2024 4:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-10 2:11 p.m., Graham wrote:
  In the home of the English language, we just say cow-
herd. Or goat-herd.
Maybe the dish should be called herdpie then, to solve the
problem. Then you can even put armadillos in there, provided
you herd them.
Or cats if you find a way to herd them:-)
If someone could find a way to herd cats we should hire them to
arrange family events for my wife's family.
It's been done. The herders are a special breed as shown in an old
Super-Bowl commercial. Hey, that's today. How appropriate to mention
such a thing.
Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called Shoyu.But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're precise,
because it isn't.
No, in Japan the call the Chinese versions shoyu. That's just use of a >different language. I suspect Hawaiian habits make a difference but
the Japanese don't. David is apparently just repeating a rational the >Hawaiians use?
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 21:56:06 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Shoyu. >> > Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called
precise, >> because it isn't.But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're
No, in Japan the call the Chinese versions shoyu. That's just use
of a different language. I suspect Hawaiian habits make a
difference but the Japanese don't. David is apparently just
repeating a rational the Hawaiians use?
dsi1 was talking about the Japanese, not about the Hawaiians, if I
understood correctly. If you're right then David's wrong. I'm
confused. Which of the two is it? You say it's [A].
[A] The Japanese call all soy sauce shoyu
[B] The Japanese call Japanese-made soy sauce shoyu
Bruce wrote:
dsi1 was talking about the Japanese, not about the Hawaiians, if I
understood correctly. If you're right then David's wrong. I'm
confused. Which of the two is it? You say it's [A].
[A] The Japanese call all soy sauce shoyu
[B] The Japanese call Japanese-made soy sauce shoyu
Don't make it a tempest in a teapot, Bruce. Predominantly when the
Japanese speak, it's in Japanese. Although many also speak 'Engrish',
the majority of the time they are talking to each other in Japanese.
PS: 'Engrish' is a bit of a joke and they find it funny too. They even
make up T-shirts with some of the funnier ones. ex: 'shoplifters will
be prostituted'. Google for lots of funny examples.
I like sardines when I eat them but I am reluctant to open a can of them
and be exposed to that smell. It is strong and it lingers.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:30:01 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith >>><adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>>>Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
forresters are called squirrel herders (or at least they
were when i was gaming and made up a character that was a
forrester :) ).
he went down in infamy, towards the end of the campaign
he came across an amulet that was rather chaotic and one of
the rare outcomes was "unbearable stench", like a 2% chance.
of course that was what was rolled. entire party had to
survive barfing in the middle of a rather complicated battle.
oops.
D&D, Warcraft?
Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:30:01 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith >>>><adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 4:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Tonight it is Shepherds Pie the way my English grandmother made it... >>>>>>> with beef.
Is it time for that particularly holy war?
I just thought I would clarify that before someone whined that it wasn't >>>>>Shepherds Pie unless it used lamb.
Maybe in Canada the term "cow shepherd" is used for cowboy.
forresters are called squirrel herders (or at least they
were when i was gaming and made up a character that was a
forrester :) ).
he went down in infamy, towards the end of the campaign
he came across an amulet that was rather chaotic and one of
the rare outcomes was "unbearable stench", like a 2% chance.
of course that was what was rolled. entire party had to
survive barfing in the middle of a rather complicated battle.
oops.
D&D, Warcraft?
similar but not the same as D&D, Runequest.
On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 3:16:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
Ain't she something? But damn, now my bubble has been burst. I've been
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:08:09 +0000, "cshenk"
<csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that, cshenk. I always wondered which language
Don't make it a tempest in a teapot, Bruce. Predominantly when the
Japanese speak, it's in Japanese. Although many also speak 'Engrish',
the majority of the time they are talking to each other in Japanese.
Japanese people speak to each other.
told a thousand times that the Japanese speak the Laplander language. But >now she says they speak Japanese??? Where did she get this I believe to be >false information????
Maybe people from the very north of Japan speak Laplander Japanese?
On 2024-02-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Maybe people from the very north of Japan speak Laplander Japanese?
Of course they do! The further north you go, the more your teeth
chatter. The more your teeth chatter, the closer your speech sounds to
people from the same latitude, in different parts of the World.
That's just common sense.
Dave Smith wrote:
...
I like sardines when I eat them but I am reluctant to open a can of them
and be exposed to that smell. It is strong and it lingers.
maybe it is the type/brand of sardines
songbird
Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 21:56:06 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
Bruce wrote:Shoyu. >> > Just like chicken is called 'Tori'.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:38:14 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
It's just David's own name. Soy sauce in Japanese is called
precise, >> because it isn't.But there's a difference between "Shoyu is Japanese for soy sauce"
(which I thought) and "Shoyu is Japanese type soy sauce". In other
words Japanese don't call Chinese soy sauce shoyu if they're
No, in Japan the call the Chinese versions shoyu. That's just use
of a different language. I suspect Hawaiian habits make a
difference but the Japanese don't. David is apparently just
repeating a rational the Hawaiians use?
dsi1 was talking about the Japanese, not about the Hawaiians, if I
understood correctly. If you're right then David's wrong. I'm
confused. Which of the two is it? You say it's [A].
[A] The Japanese call all soy sauce shoyu
[B] The Japanese call Japanese-made soy sauce shoyu
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