• Re: Chinese shrimp dish

    From bob@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Wed Jan 31 08:48:04 2024
    On 2024-01-31 15:24:44 +0000, bruce bowser said:

    On Tuesday, June 16, 1992 at 1:28:54 PM UTC-4, Carol Tseng wrote:
    In rec.food.cooking, sco...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie) writes:
    In <l37h72...@news.bbn.com> pel...@BBN.COM (Penny Ellard) writes:
    dish stand out was the sauce. Someone described it as a walnut mayonnaise >>>> sort of sauce -- it was a little sweet, and it was warm (maybe it was just >>>> warm from being poured over the hot shrimp). There were walnuts garnishing >>>> the dish -- they were coated with something sweet, and there were sesame >>>
    I ahd this, delicious, somewhere in Chinatown San Fransisco. Later I read a rev
    of a restaurant, Hong Kong food is what it serves, on El Camino Real at Millbra
    some miles southof San Fransisco, which claimed the restarut being reviewed had
    introduced this dish to the Bay Area. No idea whether thisis true, or about >>> either restaurant. I do know the El Camino/Millbrae restaurant is supposed to
    be verygood.

    Jim
    I had the same dish in S.F. Bay area a few years ago. I think it
    could have been the Flower Lounge Restaurant in Milbrae on El Camino
    Real. I think the sauce in the dish is a mixture of mayonnaise
    and sweetened condensed milk(I know this sounds strange but the
    Cantonese like mixing sweet and salty things). I don't have any
    proportions because I saw the recipe for this sauce in a
    magazine from Hong Kong that I was skimming through. You can
    probably experiment by heating some mayonnaise over low heat and
    stirring in sweetened condensed milk until the right consistency
    and flavor is acheived.
    I think the walnuts must be deep fried and then coated with a
    sugar syrup and then rolled in sesame seeds. This is a
    popular Cantonese appetizer and can be found in Chinese
    cookbooks.
    The real tricky part is the batter for the shrimp. How do
    they get it so light? There must be some baking powder in
    the batter.
    By the way I had the same type of sauce served on a
    pan fried fish at a restaurant in Vancouver. It was
    fabulous. The fish steak was pan fried and had a reddish
    crust on it and tasted slightly smokey in flavor. I
    haven't a clue as to how they cooked the fish but it was
    terrific.

    Sorry its a zillion years later, but I visited many Chinese buffets,
    yet haven't seen many fish steak recipes, though.

    You're talking to dead people.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 31 18:43:35 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/31/2024 10:48 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-31 15:24:44 +0000, bruce bowser said:

    On Tuesday, June 16, 1992 at 1:28:54 PM UTC-4, Carol Tseng
    wrote:
    In rec.food.cooking, sco...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie)
    writes:
    In <l37h72...@news.bbn.com> pel...@BBN.COM (Penny Ellard)
    writes:
    dish stand out was the sauce. Someone described it as a
    walnut mayonnaise
    (snippage)
    The real tricky part is the batter for the shrimp. How do
    they get it so light? There must be some baking powder in
    the batter.

    It's called tempura batter.  In the old recipes, yes, there is
    baking powder and cornstarch (cornflour for the non Usian
    folks) involved.  And much like the old Arthur Treacher deep
    fried fish batter, club soda.

    Here's an old Americanized recipe for tempura batter which I
    copy/pasted:

    "Ingredients

        1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
        3/4 cup cornstarch + extra for dusting shrimp
        1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
        1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
        1 1/2 cups cold club soda
        Corn oil for frying
        1 pound large shrimp peeled and deveined about 21-25 shrimp

    Instructions
    Prepare the shrimp

        Start off by preparing the shrimp by making sure they are
    thawed, peeled, and deveined.
        Then you want to stretch or straighten them out by making
    small slits ok the back and front of the shrimp. This will
    separate it just enough so the shrimp doesn’t hold a curl
    when being fried.
        Now lay the shrimp in single layers and dust both sides
    with cornstarch.

    Make the batter

        In a large bowl, mix the flour, cornstarch, baking powder,
    and salt. Then pour in the ice-cold club soda and mix just to
    combine. Careful not to over mix.
        Then begin using the batter immediately. If you do not use
    the batter right away and plan to use it later, just cover the
    bowl with plastic wrap and refrigerate. That way it is ice cold
    when ready to use again.

    Fry the shrimp in hot oil

        Now heat a heavy-bottomed pot with corn, vegetable or
    avocado oil (about 2 inches deep). You’ll want the oil to be
    between 338-356 degrees Fahrenheit. Check the temperature using
    an instant-read food thermometer.
        Now grab the shrimp tail using tongs and gently dip the
    raw shrimp in the batter and fry for about 2 minutes. Then
    transfer to a paper towel-lined dish to absorb and excess oil.
    Careful not to overcook the shrimp or they will become tough
    and chewy."

    Sorry its a zillion years later, but I visited many Chinese
    buffets, yet haven't seen many fish steak recipes, though.

    You're talking to dead people.

    It's a good thing bowser will still be able to dredge up
    ancient posts via Google after they cut off new posts.


    As long as we can access your majestie's wisdom.


    I have no plans to make battered deep fried shrimp but hey, the
    decades old batter mystery being discussed in the early 1990's
    may have been solved! ;)

    Jill

    Thanks. BTW, Your highness needs to stuff a pair of socks in
    officer dave's mouth.

    Sigh, he's been shooting off his big mouth again.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to bob on Wed Jan 31 19:23:49 2024
    On 1/31/2024 10:48 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-31 15:24:44 +0000, bruce bowser said:

    On Tuesday, June 16, 1992 at 1:28:54 PM UTC-4, Carol Tseng wrote:
    In rec.food.cooking, sco...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie) writes:
    In <l37h72...@news.bbn.com> pel...@BBN.COM (Penny Ellard) writes:
    dish stand out was the sauce. Someone described it as a walnut
    mayonnaise
    (snippage)
    The real tricky part is the batter for the shrimp. How do
    they get it so light? There must be some baking powder in
    the batter.

    It's called tempura batter. In the old recipes, yes, there is baking
    powder and cornstarch (cornflour for the non Usian folks) involved. And
    much like the old Arthur Treacher deep fried fish batter, club soda.

    Here's an old Americanized recipe for tempura batter which I copy/pasted:

    "Ingredients

    1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
    3/4 cup cornstarch + extra for dusting shrimp
    1 1/2 tablespoons baking powder
    1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
    1 1/2 cups cold club soda
    Corn oil for frying
    1 pound large shrimp peeled and deveined about 21-25 shrimp

    Instructions
    Prepare the shrimp

    Start off by preparing the shrimp by making sure they are thawed,
    peeled, and deveined.
    Then you want to stretch or straighten them out by making small
    slits ok the back and front of the shrimp. This will separate it just
    enough so the shrimp doesn’t hold a curl when being fried.
    Now lay the shrimp in single layers and dust both sides with
    cornstarch.

    Make the batter

    In a large bowl, mix the flour, cornstarch, baking powder, and
    salt. Then pour in the ice-cold club soda and mix just to combine.
    Careful not to over mix.
    Then begin using the batter immediately. If you do not use the
    batter right away and plan to use it later, just cover the bowl with
    plastic wrap and refrigerate. That way it is ice cold when ready to use
    again.

    Fry the shrimp in hot oil

    Now heat a heavy-bottomed pot with corn, vegetable or avocado oil
    (about 2 inches deep). You’ll want the oil to be between 338-356 degrees Fahrenheit. Check the temperature using an instant-read food thermometer.
    Now grab the shrimp tail using tongs and gently dip the raw shrimp
    in the batter and fry for about 2 minutes. Then transfer to a paper
    towel-lined dish to absorb and excess oil. Careful not to overcook the
    shrimp or they will become tough and chewy."

    Sorry its a zillion years later, but I visited many Chinese buffets,
    yet haven't seen many fish steak recipes, though.

    You're talking to dead people.

    It's a good thing bowser will still be able to dredge up ancient posts
    via Google after they cut off new posts.

    I have no plans to make battered deep fried shrimp but hey, the decades
    old batter mystery being discussed in the early 1990's may have been
    solved! ;)

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bruce2bowser@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 15:19:58 2024
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:36:54 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
    <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 4:24:01 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:

    It's a good thing bowser will still be able to dredge up ancient posts
    via Google after they cut off new posts.

    I have no plans to make battered deep fried shrimp but hey, the decades
    old batter mystery being discussed in the early 1990's may have been
    solved! ;)

    Plus, Tempura is Japanese fried shrimp.

    And an animal is a dog.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Feb 1 10:06:58 2024
    On 2024-02-01, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:36:54 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
    <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 4:24:01 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:

    It's a good thing bowser will still be able to dredge up ancient posts
    via Google after they cut off new posts.

    I have no plans to make battered deep fried shrimp but hey, the decades
    old batter mystery being discussed in the early 1990's may have been
    solved! ;)

    Plus, Tempura is Japanese fried shrimp.

    And an animal is a dog.

    I don't think bowser is capable of understanding your metaphor.

    You might have to tell him pretty directly that tempura can also
    be vegetables and/or other dead animal pieces.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Fri Feb 2 05:42:22 2024
    On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 10:06:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-01, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:36:54 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >><bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 4:24:01 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:

    It's a good thing bowser will still be able to dredge up ancient posts >>>> via Google after they cut off new posts.

    I have no plans to make battered deep fried shrimp but hey, the decades >>>> old batter mystery being discussed in the early 1990's may have been
    solved! ;)

    Plus, Tempura is Japanese fried shrimp.

    And an animal is a dog.

    I don't think bowser is capable of understanding your metaphor.

    You might have to tell him pretty directly that tempura can also
    be vegetables and/or other dead animal pieces.

    Yes, maybe that would cut through the substance generated fog.

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