• pork loin bbq

    From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 18:38:40 2024
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 30 18:49:20 2024
    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Are you talking about a pork tenderloin? Cooking it in water to make
    BBQ? I'm lost; I don't understand what you're talking about.

    Jill

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 30 16:51:21 2024
    On 2024-01-30 23:38:40 +0000, songbird said:

    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Why is it BBQ? Nothing about the description sounds anything like BBQ.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 30 19:16:33 2024
    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 30 19:40:46 2024
    On 1/30/2024 7:27 PM, songbird wrote:
    bob wrote:
    ...
    Why is it BBQ? Nothing about the description sounds anything like BBQ.

    we add the BBQ sauce at the end after shredding it.
    onions and BBQ sauce are cooked apart and then combined
    after shredded. Mom doesn't like things burnt like i
    do she also really doesn't like smoke or smoke flavoring
    so ... this what we do. since we made a whole loin
    that's enough food for a lot of people so some of this
    is to give to friends who really enjoy it plus we put
    some in the freezer and eat the rest.


    songbird

    You have an odd idea of BBQ. You mentioned lots of water extruding from
    the pork and something about putting it in water. Boiling? Putting
    sauce on boiled pork tenderloin and shredding then it doesn't really
    meet the standards of BBQ.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 30 19:48:10 2024
    On 1/30/2024 7:16 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
       it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

       i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice.  onions are gone.  hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything.  no sausage for
    sausage gravy.  hmm...


       songbird

    Sounds like faux-que.  Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    Yep, parboiling the pork is not a factor in barbecued anything. Oh, and
    simply shredding the pork and slathering it with jarred sauce doesn't
    make it barbecue either.

    Now, if you want to talk slow cooking ribs patted with some dry rub... I
    won't be doing that until it's warmer outside. Doesn't have to be burnt
    (which songbird mentioned) or even charred. There is such a thing as
    cooking over indirect heat. Low and slow.

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to bob on Tue Jan 30 19:27:39 2024
    bob wrote:
    ...
    Why is it BBQ? Nothing about the description sounds anything like BBQ.

    we add the BBQ sauce at the end after shredding it.
    onions and BBQ sauce are cooked apart and then combined
    after shredded. Mom doesn't like things burnt like i
    do she also really doesn't like smoke or smoke flavoring
    so ... this what we do. since we made a whole loin
    that's enough food for a lot of people so some of this
    is to give to friends who really enjoy it plus we put
    some in the freezer and eat the rest.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 30 19:28:33 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.


    songbird

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 30 18:42:05 2024
    On 2024-01-31 00:27:39 +0000, songbird said:

    bob wrote:
    ...
    Why is it BBQ? Nothing about the description sounds anything like BBQ.

    we add the BBQ sauce at the end after shredding it.
    onions and BBQ sauce are cooked apart and then combined
    after shredded. Mom doesn't like things burnt like i
    do she also really doesn't like smoke or smoke flavoring
    so ... this what we do. since we made a whole loin
    that's enough food for a lot of people so some of this
    is to give to friends who really enjoy it plus we put
    some in the freezer and eat the rest.


    songbird


    Ok .. adding sauce will make it BBQish. Yes you will have a good number
    of meals for two. Hope you both enjoy it!

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 31 10:10:54 2024
    On 2024-01-30, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Are you talking about a pork tenderloin? Cooking it in water to make
    BBQ? I'm lost; I don't understand what you're talking about.

    He braised a pork loin, not tenderloin.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 31 12:55:31 2024
    In article <hqgo8k-3jk.ln1@anthive.com>,
    songbird@anthive.com says...

    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    You could add a jar of apple sauce to the boiled meat,
    and call it roast pork.

    Janet UK

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Janet on Wed Jan 31 08:43:07 2024
    Janet wrote:
    In article <hqgo8k-3jk.ln1@anthive.com>,
    songbird@anthive.com says...

    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    You could add a jar of apple sauce to the boiled meat,
    and call it roast pork.

    i took some out when it was done and put hot sauce on it
    for dinner.

    i don't care what others call it, it was pork loin that
    was turned into BBQ pulled pork. recipe always turns out
    as it should. crock pot makes it easy. cleanup is a bit
    tougher because i have to be careful with the crock but
    other than that it's as simple as it gets.


    songbird

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to BryanGismSimmons on Wed Jan 31 06:42:35 2024
    On 2024-01-31 01:52:12 +0000, BryanGismSimmons said:

    On 1/30/2024 6:28 PM, songbird wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    It's appropriate that you live with your mommy, because you're a
    fucking child. Did you ride the short bus?



    You're a despicable POS. Your mommy should have aborted you.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jan 31 14:49:55 2024
    On 2024-01-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Janet wrote:
    In article <hqgo8k-3jk.ln1@anthive.com>,
    songbird@anthive.com says...

    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    You could add a jar of apple sauce to the boiled meat,
    and call it roast pork.

    i took some out when it was done and put hot sauce on it
    for dinner.

    i don't care what others call it, it was pork loin that
    was turned into BBQ pulled pork. recipe always turns out
    as it should. crock pot makes it easy. cleanup is a bit
    tougher because i have to be careful with the crock but
    other than that it's as simple as it gets.

    Barbecue in the sense that older Midwesterners understand it:
    cooked meat with a tomato-based sweet and tangy sauce added.

    I use that shorthand fairly often. For example "a BBQ chicken
    sandwich" is short for "a sandwich made of leftover grilled
    skinless, boneless chicken breast, cut or shredded, dressed
    with homemade ketchup-based tangy and hot (and slightly sweet)
    sauce, served on whatever bread I have available."

    We didn't really have a "low and slow" barbecue culture until
    the past 20 years or so--except in majority black locations
    like Detroit. I'm pretty sure the first genuine barbecue I
    ever ate was in the 1990s, from this place:

    https://westexasbbq.com/

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jan 31 11:09:21 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Janet wrote:
    In article <hqgo8k-3jk.ln1@anthive.com>,
    songbird@anthive.com says...

    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either. BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    You could add a jar of apple sauce to the boiled meat,
    and call it roast pork.

    i took some out when it was done and put hot sauce on it
    for dinner.

    i don't care what others call it, it was pork loin that
    was turned into BBQ pulled pork. recipe always turns out
    as it should. crock pot makes it easy. cleanup is a bit
    tougher because i have to be careful with the crock but
    other than that it's as simple as it gets.

    Barbecue in the sense that older Midwesterners understand it:
    cooked meat with a tomato-based sweet and tangy sauce added.

    I use that shorthand fairly often. For example "a BBQ chicken
    sandwich" is short for "a sandwich made of leftover grilled
    skinless, boneless chicken breast, cut or shredded, dressed
    with homemade ketchup-based tangy and hot (and slightly sweet)
    sauce, served on whatever bread I have available."

    We didn't really have a "low and slow" barbecue culture until
    the past 20 years or so--except in majority black locations
    like Detroit. I'm pretty sure the first genuine barbecue I
    ever ate was in the 1990s, from this place:

    https://westexasbbq.com/

    anything done on the grill was called BBQ from when
    i was old enough to understand what Dad was doing on
    the grill (usually lighting things on fire and dowsing
    them with beer :) ).

    the term "open pit" didn't get in our vocabulary until
    that particular sauce came on the market (mid 70s? dunno
    for sure, don't care to look it up :) ).

    living close to Saginaw there were plenty of places
    that had more southern style BBQs available but we didn't
    go there or hang out at eating places, we were more into
    finding places at the parks to skateboard or do other
    things.

    from the mid-70s on we'd taken enough trips to the
    south to have experienced enough different BBQs. i've
    also seen and eaten in a lot of places all over the
    country (only five states i've not visited and spent
    time in).


    songbird

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jan 31 18:55:00 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-30, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Are you talking about a pork tenderloin? Cooking it in water to
    make BBQ? I'm lost; I don't understand what you're talking about.

    He braised a pork loin, not tenderloin.

    That's my take. I also do a lot with pork loin. Markes good char su
    among other dishes.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jan 31 18:57:19 2024
    songbird wrote:

    bob wrote:
    ...
    Why is it BBQ? Nothing about the description sounds anything like
    BBQ.

    we add the BBQ sauce at the end after shredding it.
    onions and BBQ sauce are cooked apart and then combined
    after shredded. Mom doesn't like things burnt like i
    do she also really doesn't like smoke or smoke flavoring
    so ... this what we do. since we made a whole loin
    that's enough food for a lot of people so some of this
    is to give to friends who really enjoy it plus we put
    some in the freezer and eat the rest.


    songbird

    Yes, a lot of meat. Sliced to 1 inch thick steaks, you get 17-19
    steaks.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 31 19:04:11 2024
    Ed P wrote:

    On 1/30/2024 6:38 PM, songbird wrote:
    it's not the best pork for making bbq but we do
    like that there's practically no waste other than
    the plastic wrapper.

    when picking one out i made sure it didn't have
    a huge slab of fat on it. just enough to provide
    some flavor and fat, but not so much that we need
    to remove any of it.

    when starting to cook it Mom asked how much
    water to add to it and i said not much at all
    because the thing looked like it was injected
    with a lot of water to begin with. less than
    a 1/4 cup for a full pork loin, by the time it
    cooked there was almost a quart of juice (so
    we paid for almost two pounds of meat that was
    really water). at least it didn't have a lot
    of salt.

    i saved the juice (which had garlic in it) for
    making soup of some kind - i don't have any of the
    ingredients for hot and sour soup but that would
    be really nice. onions are gone. hmm, not in
    the mood for egg drop anything. no sausage for
    sausage gravy. hmm...


    songbird

    Sounds like faux-que. Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    Just call it pulled pork. In my area, pulled pork with BBQ added is
    called Barbecued pulled pork. Seems his area does that too. He's
    taling the results, not the cooking method. Pork loins are too lean to
    BBQ on a grill well.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to bob on Wed Jan 31 19:45:30 2024
    On 1/31/2024 8:42 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-31 01:52:12 +0000, BryanGismSimmons said:

    On 1/30/2024 6:28 PM, songbird wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Sounds like faux-que.  Barbecue does not us water near the flame.

    there's no flame either.  BBQ sauce so it's BBQ to me.

    It's appropriate that you live with your mommy, because you're a
    fucking child.  Did you ride the short bus?



    You're a despicable POS.  Your mommy should have aborted you.

    Whoa now, bob! Do you really need to stoop to Bryan's death-wish level?

    I sometimes question songbird's food choices (calling it BBQ just
    because there's sauce being one of them) but I certainly would not
    criticize him for living with his mother and preparing food, taking her shopping, doctors appointments. It's called being a responsible son.

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 31 23:43:51 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    ...
    I sometimes question songbird's food choices (calling it BBQ just
    because there's sauce being one of them) but I certainly would not
    criticize him for living with his mother and preparing food, taking her shopping, doctors appointments. It's called being a responsible son.

    best to let it go on by...


    songbird

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