• Re: Mexican treatment of an American rump

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to bryangsimmons@gmail.com on Sat Jan 27 14:10:44 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 21:06:38 -0600, BryanGSimmons
    <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and cut them
    up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after sprinkling
    them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned refried beans were given
    the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half hour. Corn >tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded >cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa
    purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I
    even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that
    roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    Since Americans love a T-steak, does that explain why they also love a
    T-rump?

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Fri Jan 26 22:47:17 2024
    On 1/26/2024 10:06 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that
    roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?


    That is what my grandmother used for pot roast. We still do and I have
    her pot to make it in. Club aluminum Dutch oven, a bit over 100 years old.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Sauceror on Sat Jan 27 08:13:28 2024
    On 1/27/2024 3:52 AM, Sauceror wrote:
    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:36:49 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/26/2024 10:06 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that >>>> roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    That is what my grandmother used for pot roast. We still do and I have
    her pot to make it in. Club aluminum Dutch oven, a bit over 100 years old. >> That's what I used to roast when I was a kid. It was probably because it was a cheap cut. I never could get that tough piece of meat to behave. These days, I sous vide it. I've finally tamed that meat.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pe4UeykVEhasRafKA

    I am absolutely opposed to this cut because it is tougher than I can bear. Only thing - if I had an extremely sharp knife to slice it with. It was suggested to me as a cost-cutting method: just slice some off and eat it it will last a week. I don't
    think I can consider it meat because that's not what meat's supposed to be like. While there are options at the grocery store, I'm somewhere else. What's good is new york strip.


    That is why you pot roast it. Yummy and tender

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jan 27 14:14:39 2024
    On 2024-01-27, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 3:52 AM, Sauceror wrote:
    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:36:49 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/26/2024 10:06 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that >>>>> roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    That is what my grandmother used for pot roast. We still do and I have >>>> her pot to make it in. Club aluminum Dutch oven, a bit over 100 years old. >>> That's what I used to roast when I was a kid. It was probably because it was a cheap cut. I never could get that tough piece of meat to behave. These days, I sous vide it. I've finally tamed that meat.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pe4UeykVEhasRafKA

    I am absolutely opposed to this cut because it is tougher than I can bear. Only thing - if I had an extremely sharp knife to slice it with. It was suggested to me as a cost-cutting method: just slice some off and eat it it will last a week. I don't
    think I can consider it meat because that's not what meat's supposed to be like. While there are options at the grocery store, I'm somewhere else. What's good is new york strip.


    That is why you pot roast it. Yummy and tender

    I'm not crazy about anything from the back of the cow. My preference
    for pot roast is chuck.

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From D@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Sat Jan 27 15:28:17 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and cut them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned refried beans were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Sat Jan 27 07:35:40 2024
    On 2024-01-27 03:06:38 +0000, BryanGSimmons said:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned refried beans
    were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half
    hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded
    lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime,
    and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.



    Yo-yo diets never work and are one of the worst ways to diet from a
    "health" standpoint. Your eating habits are text book fatty. In a
    month you will probably be bigger... another toenail post to prove it.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jan 27 14:26:29 2024
    On 2024-01-27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    But we must admit that he divined a very apt
    username this time around.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jan 27 15:11:23 2024
    On 2024-01-27, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    But we must admit that he divined a very apt
    username this time around.

    Shrug. My killfile caught him anyway. If Ed hadn't replied, I wouldn't
    have even known he exists.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 08:23:07 2024
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned refried beans
    were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half
    hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded
    lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime,
    and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas
    wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that
    roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream
    and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are
    those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around since
    the milk cow was invented. What they use today is different and far
    better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though. Cheddar is a
    TexMex thing.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to bob on Sat Jan 27 11:05:32 2024
    On 1/27/2024 10:23 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.  I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend.  The canned refried beans
    were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a
    half hour.  Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato,
    shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a
    halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If
    eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers
    (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK.  I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream
    and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are
    those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around since
    the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.  Cheddar is a
    TexMex thing.

    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese. It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jan 27 11:11:24 2024
    On 1/27/2024 10:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    But we must admit that he divined a very apt
    username this time around.

    Shrug. My killfile caught him anyway. If Ed hadn't replied, I wouldn't
    have even known he exists.

    Ditto. I have to wonder how much trouble the Google Groupers will go to
    when posting here is no longer an option.

    Jill

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Jan 27 11:17:20 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 10:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    But we must admit that he divined a very apt
    username this time around.

    Shrug.  My killfile caught him anyway.  If Ed hadn't replied, I wouldn't >> have even known he exists.

    Ditto.  I have to wonder how much trouble the Google Groupers will go to when posting here is no longer an option.

    Jill


    It's really not much trouble to switch to NNTP, Cindy did it.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Jan 27 09:39:28 2024
    On 2024-01-27 16:05:32 +0000, jmcquown said:

    On 1/27/2024 10:23 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.  I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend.  The canned refried beans
    were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half >>>> hour.  Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded
    lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime,
    and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas >>>> wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK.  I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that >>>> roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream
    and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are
    those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around since
    the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different and far
    better than the condiments you get at Taco Bell though.  Cheddar is a
    TexMex thing.

    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese. It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Jill

    It may not have a place but almost every TexMex restaurant I have ever
    been to in Texas uses cheddar in many of their dishes. Some use yellow
    colored cheddar sauce (liquid) like Rico's brand and American cheese.
    Cheddar is produced in many countries and in many states in the US.
    Originated in England though.

    Interior Mexican food uses predominantly white cheese.

    Google TexMex enchiladas for example and you will see a lot of recipes
    using cheddar.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Jan 27 17:04:39 2024
    On 2024-01-27, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 10:23 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.  I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend.  The canned refried beans >>>> were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a
    half hour.  Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato,
    shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a
    halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If
    eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers
    (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK.  I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream
    and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are
    those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around since
    the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different and far
    better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.  Cheddar is a
    TexMex thing.

    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese. It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Yet I find it tasty anyhow. If I'm going to use taco mix, I might
    as well use cheddar.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to bob on Sat Jan 27 10:52:54 2024
    On 2024-01-27 9:39 a.m., bob wrote:


    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese.  It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Jill

    It may not have a place but almost every TexMex restaurant I have ever
    been to in Texas uses cheddar in many of their dishes.  Some use yellow colored cheddar sauce (liquid) like Rico's brand and American cheese.
    Cheddar is produced in many countries and in many states in the US. Originated in England though.

    "The 19th-century Somerset dairyman Joseph Harding was central to the modernisation and standardisation of cheddar.[9] For his technical
    innovations, promotion of dairy hygiene, and volunteer dissemination of
    modern cheese-making techniques, Harding has been dubbed "the father of cheddar".[10] Harding introduced new equipment to the process of
    cheese-making, including his "revolving breaker" for curd cutting; the revolving breaker saved much manual effort in the cheese-making process.[11][12] The "Joseph Harding method" was the first modern system
    for cheddar production based upon scientific principles. Harding stated
    that cheddar cheese is "not made in the field, nor in the byre, nor even
    in the cow, it is made in the dairy".[9] Together, Joseph Harding and
    his wife introduced cheddar in Scotland and North America, while his
    sons Henry and William Harding were responsible for introducing cheddar
    cheese production to Australia[13] and facilitating the establishment of
    the cheese industry in New Zealand, respectively."

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jan 27 12:40:39 2024
    On 2024-01-27 15:11:23 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:

    On 2024-01-27, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    If Sauceror is grilling rump, he's woefully ill-informed.

    But we must admit that he divined a very apt
    username this time around.

    Shrug. My killfile caught him anyway.


    OMG you caught the Sauceror!

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to bob on Sat Jan 27 20:56:26 2024
    bob wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and
    cut them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil
    after sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned
    refried beans were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing
    for at least a half hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven,
    chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced
    avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa purchased at
    my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even
    had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour
    cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or
    more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented. What they use today is different
    and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.
    Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Actually cheddar is from England.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jan 27 14:59:02 2024
    On 2024-01-27 17:52:54 +0000, Graham said:

    On 2024-01-27 9:39 a.m., bob wrote:


    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese.  It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Jill

    It may not have a place but almost every TexMex restaurant I have ever
    been to in Texas uses cheddar in many of their dishes.  Some use yellow
    colored cheddar sauce (liquid) like Rico's brand and American cheese.
    Cheddar is produced in many countries and in many states in the US.
    Originated in England though.

    "The 19th-century Somerset dairyman Joseph Harding was central to the modernisation and standardisation of cheddar.[9] For his technical innovations, promotion of dairy hygiene, and volunteer dissemination of modern cheese-making techniques, Harding has been dubbed "the father of cheddar".[10] Harding introduced new equipment to the process of cheese-making, including his "revolving breaker" for curd cutting; the revolving breaker saved much manual effort in the cheese-making process.[11][12] The "Joseph Harding method" was the first modern
    system for cheddar production based upon scientific principles. Harding stated that cheddar cheese is "not made in the field, nor in the byre,
    nor even in the cow, it is made in the dairy".[9] Together, Joseph
    Harding and his wife introduced cheddar in Scotland and North America,
    while his sons Henry and William Harding were responsible for
    introducing cheddar cheese production to Australia[13] and facilitating
    the establishment of the cheese industry in New Zealand, respectively."

    Nice info!

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sat Jan 27 14:58:27 2024
    On 2024-01-27 20:56:26 +0000, cshenk said:

    bob wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and
    cut them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil
    after sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned
    refried beans were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing
    for at least a half hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven,
    chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced
    avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa purchased at
    my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even
    had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour
    cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or
    more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented. What they use today is different
    and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.
    Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Actually cheddar is from England.

    Ok good to know.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 17:42:08 2024
    On 2024-01-27 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    It's not a good piece of meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at
    128°F for 12 hours or more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut
    thinly across the grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast
    beef sandwich. Obviously, I got too much time on my hands.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7

    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times. Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to me
    on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first time
    why would she have ordered it again.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sat Jan 27 17:51:21 2024
    On 2024-01-27 3:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    bob wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and
    cut them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil
    after sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned
    refried beans were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing
    for at least a half hour. Corn tortillas warmed in the oven,
    chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced
    avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa purchased at
    my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even
    had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour
    cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or
    more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented. What they use today is different
    and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.
    Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Actually cheddar is from England.


    I remember that when TexMex started showing up here recipes usually
    called more Monterey Jack. As far as I can figure, Jack is basically a
    young cheddar, similar to Colby.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to bob on Sat Jan 27 17:54:07 2024
    On 2024-01-27 4:58 p.m., bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 20:56:26 +0000, cshenk said:


    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different
    and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.
    Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Actually cheddar is from England.

    Ok good to know.


    It is more accurate to say that it is an English style of cheese that originated in Cheddar. The name is not protected like champagne and
    other French products.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 16:19:27 2024
    On 2024-01-27 20:16:04 +0000, dsi1 said:

    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:52:32 PM UTC-10, Sauceror wrote:
    On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:36:49 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:> > On
    Friday, January 26, 2024 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-10, Ed P wrote:> > > On
    1/26/2024 10:06 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> > > > Schnuck's has rump
    roast for $4.49/#.> > > >> > > > If some folks got together to decide
    what would be best done with that> > > > roast, would that constitute a
    rump parliament?> > > >> > > That is what my grandmother used for pot
    roast. We still do and I have> > > her pot to make it in. Club aluminum
    Dutch oven, a bit over 100 years old.> > That's what I used to roast
    when I was a kid. It was probably because it was a cheap cut. I never
    could get that tough piece of meat to behave. These days, I sous vide
    it. I've finally tamed that meat.> >> >
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pe4UeykVEhasRafKA
    I am absolutely opposed to this cut because it is tougher than I can
    bear. Only thing - if I had an extremely sharp knife to slice it with.
    It was suggested to me as a cost-cutting method: just slice some off
    and eat it it will last a week. I don't think I can consider it meat
    because that's not what meat's supposed to be like. While there are
    options at the grocery store, I'm somewhere else. What's good is new
    york strip.

    It's not a good piece of meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at
    128°F for 12 hours or more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut
    thinly across the grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast
    beef sandwich. Obviously, I got too much time on my hands. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7

    Did the slices come out whole when you took a bite or could you bite
    through? IMO sous vide is over rated for most things. That said I did
    some eggs and they were great.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jan 27 16:28:57 2024
    On 2024-01-27 17:04:39 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:

    On 2024-01-27, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 10:23 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.  I sliced off pieces, and cut
    them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend.  The canned refried beans >>>>> were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a
    half hour.  Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato,
    shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a
    halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite taqueria. If
    eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of decent beers
    (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK.  I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream >>>> and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are >>>> those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around since
    the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different and far
    better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though.  Cheddar is a
    TexMex thing.

    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese. It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Yet I find it tasty anyhow. If I'm going to use taco mix, I might
    as well use cheddar.

    Nothing wrong with taco mix.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 18:50:33 2024
    On 2024-01-27 6:40 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because
    I have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a
    nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She
    was disappointed both times. Given her reaction the first time, I
    was surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about
    it to me on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it
    the first time why would she have ordered it again.

    My guess is that most restaurants in the US that serve steak will
    sous vide their meat. If you have an order for a med. rare steak, you
    simply pull a bag out of the water, remove the steak and then sear it
    on a hot fire. It yields a perfectly cooked product in seconds. The
    steak can then be served immediately, there's no need to let it set a
    while. What could be morse perfect?

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/k5LfDqBz8WoobUp26

    I would say that is a bad guess. Most steak houses have hi tech broilers.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 17:00:03 2024
    On 2024-01-27 23:40:33 +0000, dsi1 said:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:42:14 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:>> >> > It's not a good piece of
    meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at> > 128°F for 12 hours or
    more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut> > thinly across the
    grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast> > beef sandwich.
    Obviously, I got too much time on my hands.> >> >
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7
    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I>
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a
    nearby> restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was>
    disappointed both times. Given her reaction the first time, I was>
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to
    on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first
    time> why would she have ordered it again.

    My guess is that most restaurants in the US that serve steak will sous
    vide their meat. If you have an order for a med. rare steak, you simply
    pull a bag out of the water, remove the steak and then sear it on a hot
    fire. It yields a perfectly cooked product in seconds. The steak can
    then be served immediately, there's no need to let it set a while. What
    could be more perfect?

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/k5LfDqBz8WoobUp26

    Good job! I get something similar with reverse sear. Goes in oven at
    250F with a temp probe and taken out at 100F or so degrees in the
    center of a (thick) cut and then on the grill for searing. I like more
    rare than yours looks to be. I don't know if you can get that sous
    vide. My experience with SV is that it is more effort to set up and
    clean up.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Sun Jan 28 19:16:00 2024
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 23:42:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-10, Sauceror wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:04:45 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Yet I find it tasty anyhow. If I'm going to use taco mix, I might
    as well use cheddar.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton
    and make enchiladas. There's nothing better.

    I cooked up some Mexican chorizos and eggs for breakfast the other day. The chorizo
    I got doesn't say a thing about pork salivary/lymph nodes being in the
    mix but I did in fact spot some lymph nodes in the pan.

    Please, there could be minors present.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Jan 28 18:12:55 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 3:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    bob wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces,
    and cut them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with
    avocado oil after sprinkling them with adobo seasoning
    blend. The canned refried beans were given the hydrate and
    reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half hour. Corn
    tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded
    lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a
    halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite
    taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a
    couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done
    with that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour
    cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago
    or more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented. What they use today is
    different and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell
    though. Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Actually cheddar is from England.


    I remember that when TexMex started showing up here recipes usually
    called more Monterey Jack. As far as I can figure, Jack is basically
    a young cheddar, similar to Colby.

    I'm not sure it's related to cheddar (anymore than being a medium hard
    cheese). It was developed in Montery California in the 1700's by
    Franciscan friars in a monistary there. (later became a state)

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to bob on Mon Jan 29 09:59:00 2024
    On 1/27/2024 11:39 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 16:05:32 +0000, jmcquown said:

    On 1/27/2024 10:23 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#.  I sliced off pieces, and cut >>>>> them up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after
    sprinkling them with adobo seasoning blend.  The canned refried
    beans were given the hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at
    least a half hour.  Corn tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped
    tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded cheddar, sliced avocado, sour
    cream, a halved lime, and green salsa purchased at my favorite
    taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I even had a couple of
    decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK.  I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with
    that roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour
    cream and cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or
    more or are those a semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream.  Those products have been around
    since the milk cow was invented.  What they use  today is different
    and far better than the condiments you get at Taco Bell though.
    Cheddar is a TexMex thing.

    Cheddar is an English cheese, although argueably it could also be a
    Wisconsin type of cheese.  It really has no place in TexMex outside of
    Taco Bell.

    Jill

    It may not have a place but almost every TexMex restaurant I have ever
    been to in Texas uses cheddar in many of their dishes.  Some use yellow colored cheddar sauce (liquid) like Rico's brand and American cheese.
    Cheddar is produced in many countries and in many states in the US. Originated in England though.

    Interior Mexican food uses predominantly white cheese.

    Google TexMex enchiladas for example and you will see a lot of recipes
    using cheddar.

    I was being facetious. Of course they use cheddar in TexMex fast food.

    Jill

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  • From D@21:1/5 to bob on Mon Jan 29 19:31:26 2024
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024, bob wrote:

    On 2024-01-27 14:28:17 +0000, D said:

    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, BryanGSimmons wrote:

    Schnuck's has rump roast for $4.49/#. I sliced off pieces, and cut them >>> up, then fried them in a very hot pan with avocado oil after sprinkling
    them with adobo seasoning blend. The canned refried beans were given the >>> hydrate and reduce repeatedly thing for at least a half hour. Corn
    tortillas warmed in the oven, chopped tomato, shredded lettuce, shredded >>> cheddar, sliced avocado, sour cream, a halved lime, and green salsa
    purchased at my favorite taqueria. If eating tortillas wasn't enough, I
    even had a couple of decent beers (Negra Modelo).

    It's OK. I'll be back to starving myself soon.

    If some folks got together to decide what would be best done with that
    roast, would that constitute a rump parliament?

    What was used historically in mexico/southern us instead of sour cream and >> cheddar? Did they have those products 100 years ago or more or are those a >> semi-modern add-on?

    They used cheese and sour cream. Those products have been around since the milk cow was invented. What they use today is different and far better than the condements you get at Taco Bell though. Cheddar is a TexMex thing.



    Interesting! Thank you for your knowledge!

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 31 20:08:29 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 23:42:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-10, Sauceror wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:04:45 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Yet I find it tasty anyhow. If I'm going to use taco mix, I might
    as well use cheddar.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton
    and make enchiladas. There's nothing better.

    I cooked up some Mexican chorizos and eggs for breakfast the other day. The chorizo
    I got doesn't say a thing about pork salivary/lymph nodes being in the
    mix but I did in fact spot some lymph nodes in the pan.

    Please, there could be minors present.

    Lymph nodes and salivary glands ain't great shakes but at least it's not lungs.


    If yoose eaten asian food, yoose eaten a lot of nastier shit
    than that.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Feb 2 16:48:20 2024
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    It's not a good piece of meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at
    128°F for 12 hours or more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut
    thinly across the grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast
    beef sandwich. Obviously, I got too much time on my hands.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7

    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times.   Given her reaction the first time, I was surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to me
    on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first time
    why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she ordered
    it again.

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy? Lamb shanks need the bone. Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.

    Jill

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 22:02:33 2024
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the bone.  Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first, _then_
    vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the fridge
    overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag juices
    into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then deglaze
    with wine, and add that to the juices.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Fri Feb 2 17:11:24 2024
    On 2/2/2024 5:02 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and he
    said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't
    work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in plastic and
    slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the bone.  Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first, _then_
    vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the fridge
    overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag juices
    into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then deglaze
    with wine, and add that to the juices.


    It's nice to know it can be done. It's simply not what I think of when
    it comes to braised lamb shanks.

    Jill

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 22:18:46 2024
    On 02/02/2024 22:11, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:02 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose
    wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and
    he said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they
    wouldn't work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in
    plastic and slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the
    herbs and the vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the
    bone.  Seems to me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in
    a nice rich broth when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in
    sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first, _then_
    vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the fridge
    overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag
    juices into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then deglaze
    with wine, and add that to the juices.


    It's nice to know it can be done.  It's simply not what I think of when
    it comes to braised lamb shanks.

    I was initially skeptical, but I have bee really pleased with the results.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 17:20:55 2024
    On 2024-02-02 4:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:


    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a
    nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times.   Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to
    me on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first
    time why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she ordered
    it again.


    That's such a good question that I asked it myself, but I think she saw
    it as a rhetorical question. Maybe it was.


    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the bone.  Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.


    Braising does wonders for some meats. To me, a sous vide lamb shank
    would rank up there with gravyless beef stew.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Fri Feb 2 17:24:45 2024
    On 2/2/2024 5:18 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 22:11, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:02 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose
    wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and
    he said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they
    wouldn't work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in
    plastic and slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the
    herbs and the vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the
    bone.  Seems to me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in
    a nice rich broth when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in
    sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first, _then_
    vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the fridge
    overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag
    juices into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then
    deglaze with wine, and add that to the juices.


    It's nice to know it can be done.  It's simply not what I think of
    when it comes to braised lamb shanks.

    I was initially skeptical, but I have bee really pleased with the results.

    I'm glad you like the results! I do have a couple of lamb shanks in the freezer but won't be cooking them sous vide.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Feb 2 17:26:40 2024
    On 2/2/2024 5:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-02 4:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:


    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a
    nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times.   Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to
    me on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the
    first time why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she
    ordered it again.


    That's such a good question that I asked it myself, but I think she saw
    it as a rhetorical question. Maybe it was.


    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and he
    said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't
    work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in plastic and
    slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the bone.  Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.


    Braising does wonders for some meats.  To me, a sous vide lamb shank
    would rank up there with gravyless beef stew.

    Sheila just explained how she does it in another reply. Since I don't
    have a sous vide circulator or a means to cook them in sealed plastic,
    read how she does it.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 09:34:07 2024
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On 2/2/2024 5:18 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 22:11, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:02 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose
    wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide and >>>>> he said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they
    wouldn't work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in
    plastic and slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the >>>>> herbs and the vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need the >>>>> bone.  Seems to me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in >>>>> a nice rich broth when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in >>>>> sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first, _then_
    vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the fridge
    overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag
    juices into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then
    deglaze with wine, and add that to the juices.


    It's nice to know it can be done.  It's simply not what I think of
    when it comes to braised lamb shanks.

    I was initially skeptical, but I have bee really pleased with the results. >>
    I'm glad you like the results! I do have a couple of lamb shanks in the >freezer but won't be cooking them sous vide.

    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 17:42:55 2024
    On 2024-02-02 5:24 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:18 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 22:11, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:02 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 21:48, jmcquown wrote:

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide.  I know someone whose
    wife cooked some lamb sliced off a leg.  She cooked it sous vide
    and he said it was delicious.  As far as lamb shanks go, to me they >>>>> wouldn't work well with that method of cooking.  Vacuum sealed in
    plastic and slow cooked in swirling water for hours?  Where are the >>>>> herbs and the vegetables that result in gravy?  Lamb shanks need
    the bone.  Seems to me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and
    result in a nice rich broth when cooked with the accompaniments,
    not cooked in sealed plastic.

    When I cook things like lamb shanks sous vide, I season first,
    _then_ vacuum seal. I usually let the seasoned meat sit in the
    fridge overnight, before cooking.

    When the cooking bag is opened, I pour the lovely, tasty, pan/bag
    juices into a saucepan, and add a thickener.

    Sometimes, depending on the meat, I'll do a reverse sear, then
    deglaze with wine, and add that to the juices.


    It's nice to know it can be done.  It's simply not what I think of
    when it comes to braised lamb shanks.

    I was initially skeptical, but I have bee really pleased with the
    results.

    I'm glad you like the results!  I do have a couple of lamb shanks in the freezer but won't be cooking them sous vide.


    I have tried a number of things with braised lamb shanks. I have done
    them with wine and with beer. They were better with a dark beer like a
    porter or stout. Then there is the one I posted to the RFC signature
    recipes, where there are braised with tomato and chickpeas, cinnamon
    and other spices and served with caramelized onions. That one is tasty.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 22:54:42 2024
    On 02/02/2024 22:26, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Braising does wonders for some meats.  To me, a sous vide lamb shank
    would rank up there with gravyless beef stew.

    Sheila just explained how she does it in another reply.  Since I don't
    have a sous vide circulator or a means to cook them in sealed plastic,
    read how she does it.

    Actually my sous vide thingy isn't a circulator that gets put in a pot
    or other container. It's self-contained, looks like (and can be
    programmed as) a big oval slow cooker, with a temperature probe and
    clamp on lid. I bought it because my ancient slow cooker was round, and
    much of what I wanted to cook in it, was better suited to an oval pot.

    So I bought this oval one, and tried its sous vide function - it worked amazingly well, and I've used it more for sous vide, than as a slow cooker.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 2 22:57:47 2024
    On 2024-02-02, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    It's not a good piece of meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at
    128°F for 12 hours or more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut
    thinly across the grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast
    beef sandwich. Obviously, I got too much time on my hands.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7

    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a nearby
    restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times.   Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to me
    on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first time
    why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she ordered
    it again.

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?

    Inside the plastic bag.

    Lamb shanks need the bone.

    Why couldn't sous vide lamb shanks have the bone?

    Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 2 19:22:09 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:21:02 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-02 4:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:


    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a
    nearby restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times. Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to
    me on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first >>>> time why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she ordered
    it again.

    That's such a good question that I asked it myself, but I think she saw
    it as a rhetorical question. Maybe it was.
    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy? Lamb shanks need the bone. Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.

    Braising does wonders for some meats. To me, a sous vide lamb shank
    would rank up there with gravyless beef stew.

    There is no problem with gravy. I'll sous vide a rump roast with some dark Chinese soy sauce, garlic, salt & pepper, and maybe a little sugar. You get a wonderful beef au jus in the bag. It's all ready to go. You'll always get a bag of awesome broth
    when you sous vide. Your fantasy about sous vide is off-kilter.
    I've made sous vide fried chicken. You process the chicken in the sous vide then fry the fully cooked chicken in hot oil. You fry the chicken at a hotter temperature than normal. It's a worry-free way to cook chicken. With chicken, I dump out the bag
    of chicken juice.



    Tojo, have yoose been able to sell a $5000 hearing aide this
    year? Da hawayan customers yoose screwed for all these years
    has left yoose sorry rotten ass.

    Only an asian cal sleep after what yoose have done to hiwayans.

    Yoose a real scumbag uncle.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Feb 2 19:27:33 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-02, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 5:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-27 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


    It's not a good piece of meat for sure. OTOH, I like it sous vide at
    128°F for 12 hours or more, then refrigerate it over night, then cut
    thinly across the grain. It's a lot of trouble to make a cold roast
    beef sandwich. Obviously, I got too much time on my hands.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dFTGSwUwkdtt84zQ7

    That sandwich looks pretty good. I almost feel like a rube because I
    have never had anything cooked sous vite. My wife has. There is a nearby >>> restaurant where she had lamb shanks sous vite twice. She was
    disappointed both times.   Given her reaction the first time, I was
    surprised that she ordered it a second time. She gripped about it to me
    on the way home. I had to ask her if she had not liked it the first time >>> why would she have ordered it again.


    If she didn't like it the first time I don't understand why she ordered
    it again.

    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy?

    Inside the plastic bag.

    Lamb shanks need the bone.

    Why couldn't sous vide lamb shanks have the bone?

    Seems to
    me lamb shanks should be slow simmered and result in a nice rich broth
    when cooked with the accompaniments, not cooked in sealed plastic.


    Royal decree.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 3 00:18:14 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 19:22:56 2024
    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 00:18:14 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    Don't ask me. I don't eat meat, let alone lamb.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Feb 3 10:31:34 2024
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 3 07:18:42 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    no thanks, i walk by most of those, it's not food
    i often do much with other than the frozen veggies
    and a once in a while thin cheese pizza that Mom
    wants.

    as kids there used to be food that came in plastic
    pouches that you heated in boiling water for a while
    and then cut the package open and dumped it over toast
    or mashed potatoes or whatever. it was expensive, full
    of salt and pepper and not very good otherwise. pretty
    much like the tv dinners. a food fad that we quickly
    got over.

    about the only thing that i like were the frozen
    blocks of squash and spinach. those were packaged in
    waxed paper.


    songbird

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 3 09:02:15 2024
    On 2/3/2024 5:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird<songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    Those people boggle my mind. The same type will put a styrofoam plate
    or cup into a microwave oven without second thought. Despite my
    frugality, I'll go out of my way to avoid using plastics, especially
    with my food. I'll pay more for anything in a glass jar over plastic.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Feb 3 14:42:00 2024
    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 5:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird<songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    Those people boggle my mind. The same type will put a styrofoam plate
    or cup into a microwave oven without second thought. Despite my
    frugality, I'll go out of my way to avoid using plastics, especially
    with my food. I'll pay more for anything in a glass jar over plastic.

    "Those people" include my mother, who would starve if she didn't
    microwave freezer meals. Oh, wait. I saw Spaghettios in her sink
    drain the last time I was there, so she must be eating something
    besides frozen dinners.

    I don't worry about plastic unless it's going to be heated over 100 C.
    Sous vide, no problem. I don't reheat restaurant leftovers in their
    original container (or at all, in the case of grilled salmon).

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Feb 3 16:31:38 2024
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    no thanks, i walk by most of those

    Still, you know of their existence.

    it's not food
    i often do much with other than the frozen veggies
    and a once in a while thin cheese pizza that Mom
    wants.

    as kids there used to be food that came in plastic
    pouches that you heated in boiling water for a while
    and then cut the package open and dumped it over toast
    or mashed potatoes or whatever. it was expensive, full
    of salt and pepper and not very good otherwise. pretty
    much like the tv dinners. a food fad that we quickly
    got over.

    Oddly enough, the food industrial complex doesn't care whether
    you like salt and pepper. The vast majority of people like both.

    I assume "we quickly got over" means "I quickly got over".
    The advent of the microwave is what killed those boil-in-bag
    foods (although they're still available for camping):

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=boil+in+bag+meals

    about the only thing that i like were the frozen
    blocks of squash and spinach. those were packaged in
    waxed paper.

    I haven't seen that in a long, long time. Now it's all packaged
    in plastic.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 17:03:11 2024
    In article <JqdvN.297674$PuZ9.97232@fx11.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...


    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy? Lamb shanks need the bone.

    Shanks on the bone, herbs/seasoning etc are all sealed
    in the vacuum bag and cook together.

    Janet UK

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sun Feb 4 04:33:25 2024
    On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 09:02:15 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 2/3/2024 5:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird<songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.

    Those people boggle my mind. The same type will put a styrofoam plate
    or cup into a microwave oven without second thought. Despite my
    frugality, I'll go out of my way to avoid using plastics, especially
    with my food. I'll pay more for anything in a glass jar over plastic.

    You're also afraid to use electronic banking.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 3 22:19:02 2024
    On 2024-02-03, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.


    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the
    stuff they're selling now.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Feb 3 18:19:11 2024
    On 2024-02-03 5:19 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.


    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the stuff they're selling now.


    I used to like them because we got brownie points at school for bringing
    in the "plates" to be used in art class.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 14:34:15 2024
    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 19:07:58 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net>
    wrote:

    On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 3:22:25 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tojo, have yoose been able to sell a $5000 hearing aide this
    year? Da hawayan customers yoose screwed for all these years
    has left yoose sorry rotten ass.

    Only an asian cal sleep after what yoose have done to hiwayans.

    Yoose a real scumbag uncle.

    The jokes on you, the reality is that I never sold an aid to nobody in my business. My clients were motivated to buy aids from me because I gave them a good deal on aids and I was always up front on my prices. I was the first guy to put the prices up on
    my website. That was my plan from the start. My prices ranged from $900 to $1200 per aid. I would occasionally sell an aid for $1,400 but I always recommended the lower priced aids. Do the math. If I have a hard time sleeping at night, it was never
    because of my business practices.
    Yoose gets the last word, fool.

    Don't let that piece of wasted DNA get to you.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 08:55:23 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    ...
    My step-mom doesn't like plastic containers. I thought that was a curious notion. Perhaps it's more common than I thought.

    i dislike the taste of plastic. cold foods kept cold
    will not be so bad but at times i will still taste the
    plastic.

    anything cooked in plastic i will taste the plastic.
    i do not store cooked foods in plastic if i can help
    it. i have glass jars of various sizes that work well
    for me. plastic lids on the glass jars are ok because
    they do not usually come in contact with the food at
    all so they are just keeping the air in/out. canning
    lids have some plastic coating on them, but again not
    much comes in contact with them so i don't mind using
    those. when doing canning prep and filling jars i can
    smell the lids plastic and the rubberish sealant, but
    i can get around that because they get cleaned and then
    are not usually in contact with the contents of the
    jars. i will even reuse those lids for freezing jars
    of food if they are in good condition - they work well.


    songbird

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Mon Feb 5 17:40:56 2024
    On 2/3/2024 11:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    about the only thing that i like were the frozen
    blocks of squash and spinach. those were packaged in
    waxed paper.

    I haven't seen that in a long, long time. Now it's all packaged
    in plastic.

    Actually, you can still buy blocks of frozen chopped spinach (and
    probably many other frozen vegetables) in cardboard cartons; it's the
    cartons that are wrapped in a sort of waxy paper.

    Small bags of frozen leaf spinach and other frozen veggies are sold in
    plastic bags that proclaim you can heat them right in the plastic bag
    [in the microwave]. I don't do that. I grab the amount I need out of
    the bag and cook it in an old Corningware covered dish in the microwave
    or add it directly to whatever I'm cooking on the stovetop.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Feb 5 17:29:01 2024
    On 2/3/2024 12:18 AM, songbird wrote:
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:24:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    ...
    Typical Jill. *Nose in the air*: "Good for you, but not for me."

    Typical Bruce response.

    why would anyone want food cooked in plastic?


    songbird

    It has nothing to do with having my nose in the air *or* cooking
    anything in vacuum-sealed plastic. I don't own a sous vide circulator.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Feb 5 17:43:44 2024
    On 2/2/2024 5:54 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
    On 02/02/2024 22:26, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/2/2024 5:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Braising does wonders for some meats.  To me, a sous vide lamb shank
    would rank up there with gravyless beef stew.

    Sheila just explained how she does it in another reply.  Since I don't
    have a sous vide circulator or a means to cook them in sealed plastic,
    read how she does it.

    Actually my sous vide thingy isn't a circulator that gets put in a pot
    or other container. It's self-contained, looks like (and can be
    programmed as) a big oval slow cooker, with a temperature probe and
    clamp on lid. I bought it because my ancient slow cooker was round, and
    much of what I wanted to cook in it, was better suited to an oval pot.

    So I bought this oval one, and tried its sous vide function - it worked amazingly well, and I've used it more for sous vide, than as a slow cooker.

    Thanks for the clarification. :)

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Janet on Mon Feb 5 19:14:46 2024
    On 2/3/2024 12:03 PM, Janet wrote:
    In article <JqdvN.297674$PuZ9.97232@fx11.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...


    I have never had anything cooked sous vide. I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. She cooked it sous vide and he said
    it was delicious. As far as lamb shanks go, to me they wouldn't work
    well with that method of cooking. Vacuum sealed in plastic and slow
    cooked in swirling water for hours? Where are the herbs and the
    vegetables that result in gravy? Lamb shanks need the bone.

    Shanks on the bone, herbs/seasoning etc are all sealed
    in the vacuum bag and cook together.

    Janet UK

    People don't read what I write. I wrote "I know someone whose wife
    cooked some lamb sliced off a leg. [Keywords *sliced off*.] She cooked
    it sous vide and he said it was delicious." Sliced it off the leg, then
    cooked it sous vide. No bone, people. Not shanks.

    I understand the concept of sous vide. I have have nothing against the
    method. I'm just not likely to try it.

    Jill

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 5 16:22:10 2024
    On 2024-02-05 3:40 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 11:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
       about the only thing that i like were the frozen
    blocks of squash and spinach.  those were packaged in
    waxed paper.

    I haven't seen that in a long, long time.  Now it's all packaged
    in plastic.

    Actually, you can still buy blocks of frozen chopped spinach (and
    probably many other frozen vegetables) in cardboard cartons; it's the
    cartons that are wrapped in a sort of waxy paper.



    Certainly the case when I used frozen spinach in a lentil soup
    last week.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Feb 5 19:56:41 2024
    On 2/5/2024 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-02-05 3:40 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 11:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
       about the only thing that i like were the frozen
    blocks of squash and spinach.  those were packaged in
    waxed paper.

    I haven't seen that in a long, long time.  Now it's all packaged
    in plastic.

    Actually, you can still buy blocks of frozen chopped spinach (and
    probably many other frozen vegetables) in cardboard cartons; it's the
    cartons that are wrapped in a sort of waxy paper.


    Certainly the case when I used frozen spinach in a lentil soup
    last week.

    That's the type (in the box) I use when I make spinach & feta quiche. I
    let it thaw then squeeze the excess liquid using a collapsible vegetable steamer before stirring it in with the other ingredients. Lentil soup
    with spinach is very good! I made some shortly before you posted about
    yours.

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 5 20:29:29 2024
    On 2/3/2024 5:19 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.


    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the stuff they're selling now.

    I have some odd memories about those old Swanson TV dinners that came in sectioned aluminium trays and were foil topped. Had to be cooked in the
    oven.

    My brothers and I only got to eat them when our parents were going out
    to dinner in the 1960's. We did get to eat them watching TV, using TV
    trays. I have a vague recollection of fried chicken, mashed potatoes
    (which were undoubtedly instant even back then), usually with peas or
    carrots as the vegetable and some sort of "dessert" in the corner that
    required turning back the foil to brown the top. Sometimes a brownie,
    other times apple crumble or something similar.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 5 21:03:43 2024
    On 2/5/2024 8:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 5:19 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    A lot of people don't care whether their food is cooked in plastic.
    Look at the millions of microwaveable meals in the freezer the next
    time you're at the grocery store.


    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the
    stuff they're selling now.

    I have some odd memories about those old Swanson TV dinners that came in sectioned aluminium trays and were foil topped.  Had to be cooked in the oven.

    My brothers and I only got to eat them when our parents were going out
    to dinner in the 1960's.  We did get to eat them watching TV, using TV trays.  I have a vague recollection of fried chicken, mashed potatoes
    (which were undoubtedly instant even back then), usually with peas or
    carrots as the vegetable and some sort of "dessert" in the corner that required turning back the foil to brown the top.  Sometimes a brownie,
    other times apple crumble or something similar.

    Jill

    Never had them as a kid because fire was not invented yet. After we got married, we would keep a couple in the freezer for nights time was
    pressing or just felt lazy. The fried chicken was the most popular.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Feb 5 21:41:17 2024
    On 2024-02-05 8:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 5:19 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the
    stuff they're selling now.

    I have some odd memories about those old Swanson TV dinners that came in sectioned aluminium trays and were foil topped.  Had to be cooked in the oven.
    I guess the option was to heat it in the oven or wait a decade or so
    until there were affordable household microwaves... or radar ovens as
    they used to call them.


    My brothers and I only got to eat them when our parents were going out
    to dinner in the 1960's.  We did get to eat them watching TV, using TV trays.  I have a vague recollection of fried chicken, mashed potatoes
    (which were undoubtedly instant even back then), usually with peas or
    carrots as the vegetable and some sort of "dessert" in the corner that required turning back the foil to brown the top.  Sometimes a brownie,
    other times apple crumble or something similar.


    For some reason we pestered my mother to get them for us. I guess it was novelty of them because they weren't really very good.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 6 08:41:23 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    ...
    These days, a TV dinner would be the right size for me. OTOH, TV dinner food would probably not appeal to me at my age. It would also look pretty funny seeing an old guy like me eating out of one of those little trays. OTOH, I wish I could get my hands
    on some Mexican TV dinners - not real Mexican TV dinners but gringo Mexican TV dinners. I'd probably eat several of those a week. That would be just great.

    jeebus bud, it's not hard to keep some cooked beans on hand
    and the rest of the trimmings. same for spiced ground beast.
    a container of cooked beans will often last a few weeks in the
    fridge if covered properly.

    this way you can avoid a lot of the extra salt and other
    gunk which is often just other processed forms of soy (cheap
    filler).


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Feb 6 19:18:22 2024
    On 2024-02-06, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    dsi1 wrote:
    ...
    These days, a TV dinner would be the right size for me. OTOH, TV dinner food would probably not appeal to me at my age. It would also look pretty funny seeing an old guy like me eating out of one of those little trays. OTOH, I wish I could get my
    hands on some Mexican TV dinners - not real Mexican TV dinners but gringo Mexican TV dinners. I'd probably eat several of those a week. That would be just great.

    jeebus bud, it's not hard to keep some cooked beans on hand
    and the rest of the trimmings. same for spiced ground beast.
    a container of cooked beans will often last a few weeks in the
    fridge if covered properly.

    He doesn't want that. He wants a Mexican TV dinner.

    this way you can avoid a lot of the extra salt

    Mmm. Salt.

    and other
    gunk which is often just other processed forms of soy (cheap
    filler).

    You remind me I've still got to deal with the package of silken
    tofu that I have in the fridge.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Feb 6 20:39:20 2024
    On 2024-02-06, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    I have some odd memories about those old Swanson TV dinners that came in sectioned aluminium trays and were foil topped. Had to be cooked in the oven.

    My brothers and I only got to eat them when our parents were going out
    to dinner in the 1960's. We did get to eat them watching TV, using TV
    trays. I have a vague recollection of fried chicken, mashed potatoes
    (which were undoubtedly instant even back then), usually with peas or
    carrots as the vegetable and some sort of "dessert" in the corner that required turning back the foil to brown the top. Sometimes a brownie,
    other times apple crumble or something similar.


    My best memories are of their turkey dinners with dressing. You can't
    produce those results in a microwave.

    leo

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Feb 6 16:35:22 2024
    On 2/5/2024 9:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-05 8:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 5:19 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    I miss Swanson's TV dinners on the aluminum tray. I hardly recognize the >>> stuff they're selling now.

    I have some odd memories about those old Swanson TV dinners that came
    in sectioned aluminium trays and were foil topped.  Had to be cooked
    in the oven.
    I guess the  option was to heat it in the oven or wait a decade or so
    until there were affordable household microwaves... or radar ovens as
    they used to call them.

    You couldn't put those metal trays in a microwave/radar range even if
    they had been available and affordable.

    My brothers and I only got to eat them when our parents were going out
    to dinner in the 1960's.  We did get to eat them watching TV, using TV
    trays.  I have a vague recollection of fried chicken, mashed potatoes
    (which were undoubtedly instant even back then), usually with peas or
    carrots as the vegetable and some sort of "dessert" in the corner that
    required turning back the foil to brown the top.  Sometimes a brownie,
    other times apple crumble or something similar.


    For some reason we pestered my mother to get them for us. I guess it was novelty of them because they weren't really very good.

    No, they weren't very good. It was a novelty because our folks didn't
    go out more than a couple of times a year. The annual Marine Corps Ball
    and some other function.

    Jill

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