My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the
years. Good taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350
deg. oven but instead, I put a couple of slices in the
toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every
week or so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a
salad. Tomorrow morning, with eggs.
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well. >>>
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
It's a shame there are no jewish bakeries in florida.
The Jews are on the east coast. The southwest coast is mostly gentile
Q-tips from the Northeast, and to a lesser degree, the Midwest.
On 2024-01-27 02:13:08 +0000, BryanGSimmons said:
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:The Jews are on the east coast. The southwest coast is mostly gentile
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years.
Good taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg.
oven but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That
worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week
or so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad.
Tomorrow morning, with eggs.
It's a shame there are no jewish bakeries in florida.
;
Q-tips from the Northeast, and to a lesser degree, the Midwest.
Have you ever been to Florida?... or do you just make up demographics
from your squalor in da lou?
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow morning, with eggs.
On 1/27/2024 1:30 PM, bob wrote:
On 2024-01-27 02:13:08 +0000, BryanGSimmons said:
On 1/26/2024 6:38 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed P wrote:The Jews are on the east coast. The southwest coast is mostly
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years.
Good taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg.
oven but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That
worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every
week or so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a
salad. Tomorrow morning, with eggs.
It's a shame there are no jewish bakeries in florida.
;
gentile Q-tips from the Northeast, and to a lesser degree, the Midwest.
Have you ever been to Florida?... or do you just make up demographics
from your squalor in da lou?
He is actually pretty close. I'm midway down on the west coast, just
south of Tampa bay. Many in this area are from New England,
Ohio,Indiana. Worcester MA airport used to have a twice a week flight to Punta Gorda that was mostly snowbirds.
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf
of bread that was more than 20$.
On 2024-01-27, bob <bob@sympatico.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well. >>>
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf
of bread that was more than 20$.
It's cheaper if you pick it up in person. I buy a loaf a couple times
a week. I think it's $7.29 per loaf.
On 2024-01-27, bob <bob@sympatico.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well. >>>
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf
of bread that was more than 20$.
It's cheaper if you pick it up in person. I buy a loaf a couple times
a week. I think it's $7.29 per loaf.
On 2024-01-27 23:00:13 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:well.
On 2024-01-27, bob <bob@sympatico.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked
week or
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every
Tomorrowso, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad.
morning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf
of bread that was more than 20$.
It's cheaper if you pick it up in person. I buy a loaf a couple times
a week. I think it's $7.29 per loaf.
Yes, the shipping was more than the loaf.
On 1/27/2024 6:15 PM, bob wrote:
On 2024-01-27 23:00:13 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:
On 2024-01-27, bob <bob@sympatico.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf
of bread that was more than 20$.
It's cheaper if you pick it up in person. I buy a loaf a couple times
a week. I think it's $7.29 per loaf.
Yes, the shipping was more than the loaf.
I just had my snack. Slice of toasted rye bread, butter, and Trappist strawberry preserves.
I just bought another case of the Trappist preserves for $72 for 12.
They are the best I ever had. It came the same day as the bread.
I buy what I like and enjoy. Between the two items, that day I spent
$100 and will get quite a bit of enjoyment. The preserves, over the
next two years.
Tomorrow, how much will people bet on the football games? Haw much are people dumping into slot machines at the casino tonight? What is the
cost of a pack of cigarettes? Alprostadil? It is a choice.
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow morning, with eggs.
Tomorrow, how much will people bet on the football games? Haw much are people dumping into slot machines at the casino tonight? What is the
cost of a pack of cigarettes? Alprostadil? It is a choice.
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
*SNIP*
I was making a return at Kroger a bit over two weeks ago and a woman in
What is the
cost of a pack of cigarettes?
front of me was buying a pack name brand cigarettes. I did ask what the
cost of a pack in now and the clerk said it depended on the brand. The
brand the woman was buying was $8.50!!
Ed P wrote:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well.
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
we got a Pepperidge Farm Pumpernickle the other day for
$4.fiddy i'm pretty sure it's edible and good as we've
had it before. the loaves i'd made in the bread machine
were better - saurkraut is magic.
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:11:04 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
Terrible!! But I doubt the cost is much of a determent to those diehard smokers.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:36:39 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
In Australia that would cost 30 US dollars, on average, for 25I was making a return at Kroger a bit over two weeks ago and a woman in
front of me was buying a pack name brand cigarettes. I did ask what the
cost of a pack in now and the clerk said it depended on the brand. The
brand the woman was buying was $8.50!!
cigarettes.
Unless they've changed it, cigarettes here numbers 20 to a pack. Two hundred >to a carton.
On 2024-01-28, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 21:36:31 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
we got a Pepperidge Farm Pumpernickle the other day for
$4.fiddy i'm pretty sure it's edible and good as we've
had it before. the loaves i'd made in the bread machine
were better - saurkraut is magic.
If bread you make in the bread machine is better than bread you buy
from a real baker, your real baker is a fraud or your taste buds are
failing.
Pepperidge Farm isn't a real baker. It's another mass-market brand
of bread. Slightly better than average, but still...
"ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR (FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE
MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), WATER, RYE MEAL, WHEAT GLUTEN,
YEAST, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: RYE FLOUR, SOYBEAN OIL, SALT, COCOA
PROCESSED WITH ALKALI FOR COLOR, GROUND CARAWAY, CALCIUM PROPIONATE AND >SORBIC ACID TO EXTEND FRESHNESS, CARAMEL COLOR, MONOGLYCERIDES, ONION
POWDER, LACTIC ACID, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, DEXTROSE, SOY LECITHIN."
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 21:36:31 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Ed P wrote:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well. >>>
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
we got a Pepperidge Farm Pumpernickle the other day for
$4.fiddy i'm pretty sure it's edible and good as we've
had it before. the loaves i'd made in the bread machine
were better - saurkraut is magic.
If bread you make in the bread machine is better than bread you buy
from a real baker, your real baker is a fraud or your taste buds are
failing.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 21:36:31 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Ed P wrote:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good
taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven
but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked well. >>>
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every week or
so, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad. Tomorrow
morning, with eggs.
we got a Pepperidge Farm Pumpernickle the other day for
$4.fiddy i'm pretty sure it's edible and good as we've
had it before. the loaves i'd made in the bread machine
were better - saurkraut is magic.
If bread you make in the bread machine is better than bread you buy
from a real baker, your real baker is a fraud or your taste buds are
failing.
My bold prediction is that smoking will be fashionable again soon.
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and they're taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That satisfies that
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:52 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and they're taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That satisfies that
dsi1 wrote:
...
My bold prediction is that smoking will be fashionable again soon.i'm glad i was able to quit when i did, but i
still dream of it at times.
songbird
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
dsi1 wrote:
...
My bold prediction is that smoking will be fashionable again soon.
i hope not, it's killed so many relatives and
made life much worse for them at the end before
they did finally die.
i'm glad i was able to quit when i did, but i
still dream of it at times.
On 2024-01-28 11:40 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and they're >> taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That satisfies that
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
All three of my brothers smoke. One likes to get new cars and his plan
has been to get a new car and to use to money he would have paid for cigarettes to make his car payments. I don't know if his current car is
the third or fourth one he has bought with that approach but he is still smoking. His compromise has been not to smoke in the new car. Then he compromised on that. Now he doesn't smoke in the car unless the window
is open.
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a
week, which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He
has two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking
at all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
My mother use to smoke _a lot_. She tried every way to quit. Finally,
she was having some pain in her left arm, which she thought was from her heavy purse. The doctor handed her a sample of nitroglycerine tablets.
At the point, she quit cold turkey.
All three of my brothers smoke. One likes to get new cars and his plan
has been to get a new car and to use to money he would have paid for >cigarettes to make his car payments. I don't know if his current car is
the third or fourth one he has bought with that approach but he is still >smoking. His compromise has been not to smoke in the new car. Then he >compromised on that. Now he doesn't smoke in the car unless the window
is open.
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and >others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a
week, which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He
has two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking
at all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive.It's a bad habit. It may be >an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
On 1/28/2024 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
My mother use to smoke _a lot_. She tried every way to quit. Finally,
she was having some pain in her left arm, which she thought was from her
heavy purse. The doctor handed her a sample of nitroglycerine tablets.
At the point, she quit cold turkey.
Friend of mine was having a heart attack so ambulance was called. As
they were taking him out of the house, the EMT asked if he smoked. He >replied, he used to, but quit. EMT asked how long ago? He replied
"when my wife called the ambulance"
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:07:44 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive.It's a bad habit. It may be >> an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
It's extremely addictive. Both psychologically and physically.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
On 28/01/2024 19:05, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:07:44 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman >during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out toIMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive.It's a bad habit. It may be >>> an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives >>> them an excuse not to quit.
It's extremely addictive. Both psychologically and physically.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
When he did eventually quit, like you, it was cold turkey - he stubbed
out a half-smoked cigarette, leaving the carton it came from in the end
table next to his usual seat in the living room. That carton was still
there, untouched, when he died a few years later.
On 2024-01-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-28 11:40 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and they're >>> taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That satisfies that
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
All three of my brothers smoke. One likes to get new cars and his plan
has been to get a new car and to use to money he would have paid for
cigarettes to make his car payments. I don't know if his current car is
the third or fourth one he has bought with that approach but he is still
smoking. His compromise has been not to smoke in the new car. Then he
compromised on that. Now he doesn't smoke in the car unless the window
is open.
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a
week, which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He
has two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking
at all.
My mother use to smoke _a lot_. She tried every way to quit. Finally,
she was having some pain in her left arm, which she thought was from her heavy purse. The doctor handed her a sample of nitroglycerine tablets.
At the point, she quit cold turkey.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
You're an expert on nicotine addiction now?
You might want to read this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3025154
Here's the Abstract, for unmotivated students:
"Tobacco use became common all over the world after discovery of
Americas. Tobacco, a plant carries in its leaves an alkaloid called
nicotine, which is responsible not only for several pathophysiological changes in the body but also develops tolerance to its own action with repeated use. Studies suggest that the alpha-4 beta-2 nicotine
acetylcholine receptor subtype is the main receptor that mediates
nicotine dependence. Nicotine acts on these receptors to facilitate neurotransmitter release (dopamine and others), producing pleasure and
mood modulation. Repeated exposure to nicotine develops neuroadaptation
of the receptors, resulting in tolerance to many of the effects of
nicotine. Withdrawal symptoms appear on stoppage of tobacco use, which
are characterized by irritability, anxiety, increased eating, dysphoria,
and hedonic dysregulation, among others. Smoking is also reinforced by conditioning. Pharmacotherapies for smoking cessation should reduce withdrawal symptoms and block the reinforcing effects of nicotine
obtained from smoking without causing excessive adverse effects."
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:05:47 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
It's extremely addictive. Both psychologically and physically.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
My wife's friend died of lung cancer. She didn't let cancer stop her from >smoking. I suppose if you're a smoker and don't die from lung cancer,
you're a winner in the game of smoking.
Bruce wrote:
...
I think the problem is that when people decide to smoke, they're in
their late teens or early twenties, in other words immortal.
i started at 8.
i quit at 13.
I think the problem is that when people decide to smoke, they're in
their late teens or early twenties, in other words immortal.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I was
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
The only thing I know about the nicotine patches is that smoking and wearing >one of those is a huge no-no. Supposedly combining the two shoots the b/p
to very dangerous levels as does cocaine.
The best advice I heard from anyone was the guy who said to keep an
ashtray with dirty cigarette butts. Any time you feel a craving for a
smoke grab that ashtray and hold it up to your nose to see how bad they
make you smell.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-28 11:40 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and they're
taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That satisfies that
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
All three of my brothers smoke. One likes to get new cars and his plan
has been to get a new car and to use to money he would have paid for
cigarettes to make his car payments. I don't know if his current car is >>> the third or fourth one he has bought with that approach but he is still >>> smoking. His compromise has been not to smoke in the new car. Then he
compromised on that. Now he doesn't smoke in the car unless the window
is open.
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a
week, which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He >>> has two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking >>> at all.
My mother use to smoke _a lot_. She tried every way to quit. Finally,
she was having some pain in her left arm, which she thought was from her
heavy purse. The doctor handed her a sample of nitroglycerine tablets.
At the point, she quit cold turkey.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives >>> them an excuse not to quit.
You're an expert on nicotine addiction now?
You might want to read this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3025154
Here's the Abstract, for unmotivated students:
"Tobacco use became common all over the world after discovery of
Americas. Tobacco, a plant carries in its leaves an alkaloid called
nicotine, which is responsible not only for several pathophysiological
changes in the body but also develops tolerance to its own action with
repeated use. Studies suggest that the alpha-4 beta-2 nicotine
acetylcholine receptor subtype is the main receptor that mediates
nicotine dependence. Nicotine acts on these receptors to facilitate
neurotransmitter release (dopamine and others), producing pleasure and
mood modulation. Repeated exposure to nicotine develops neuroadaptation
of the receptors, resulting in tolerance to many of the effects of
nicotine. Withdrawal symptoms appear on stoppage of tobacco use, which
are characterized by irritability, anxiety, increased eating, dysphoria,
and hedonic dysregulation, among others. Smoking is also reinforced by
conditioning. Pharmacotherapies for smoking cessation should reduce
withdrawal symptoms and block the reinforcing effects of nicotine
obtained from smoking without causing excessive adverse effects."
also, nicotine is a poison. if you are not a regular
smoker and over do it you can make yourself sick (i've done
it).
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2024 6:15 PM, bob wrote:
On 2024-01-27 23:00:13 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:well.
On 2024-01-27, bob <b...@sympatico.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-27 00:25:26 +0000, Ed P said:
My rye bread came today, just in time for dinner.
Compares well to the various rye bread I've had over the years. Good >>>>>> taste, good texture, good crust.
The instructions tell you to refresh it by heating in a 350 deg. oven >>>>>> but instead, I put a couple of slices in the toaster. That worked
week or
Given the price with shipping, it is not something I'd do every
Tomorrowso, but a once a year treat, sure. It went well with a salad.
I just had my snack. Slice of toasted rye bread, butter, and Trappistmorning, with eggs.
I looked at their web site. That's is a costly loaf! Never had a loaf >>>>> of bread that was more than 20$.
It's cheaper if you pick it up in person. I buy a loaf a couple times
a week. I think it's $7.29 per loaf.
Yes, the shipping was more than the loaf.
strawberry preserves.
I just bought another case of the Trappist preserves for $72 for 12.
They are the best I ever had. It came the same day as the bread.
Does Trappist imply monks made it? I'd rather buy fresher jam sporadically. "Preserves " is gambling 15 months out.
My gallon of Windex from 1998 is still in service
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:56:56 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:05:47 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
It's extremely addictive. Both psychologically and physically.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
My wife's friend died of lung cancer. She didn't let cancer stop her from
smoking. I suppose if you're a smoker and don't die from lung cancer,
you're a winner in the game of smoking.
There's also COPD.
On 1/28/2024 3:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:56:56 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
My wife's friend died of lung cancer. She didn't let cancer stop her from >>> smoking. I suppose if you're a smoker and don't die from lung cancer,
you're a winner in the game of smoking.
There's also COPD.
My son had an oxygen business and supplied home users. I've been to
some of them. They turn the oxygen off to have a smoke.
Well, most do. One night a guy did not. Spent some time in the
hospital burn unit.
On 2024-01-28 9:40 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:52 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
When I see an old movie with Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, etc. and
dsi1 wrote:
...
My bold prediction is that smoking will be fashionable again soon.i'm glad i was able to quit when i did, but i
still dream of it at times.
songbird
they're
taking a drag on a cigarette I slowly inhale right with them. That
satisfies that
momentary longing for a cigarette.
I'm approaching my 24-year anniversary without a cigarette.
Watch the new movie "Maestro". Every damn scene has the actors
lighting up and puffing away.
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman
during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
My father-in-law was a radio operator on a B-17 based in England during
WWII. He smoked about that much. I don't think he ever quit. He made it
to 71.
<https://postimg.cc/23s5pVD8>
also, nicotine is a poison. if you are not a regular
smoker and over do it you can make yourself sick (i've done
it).
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:56:50 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
...
I think the problem is that when people decide to smoke, they're in
their late teens or early twenties, in other words immortal.
i started at 8.
i quit at 13.
Lol, early adapter.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:13:42 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:Maybe that's a good thing as long as people are aware of that. Some
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I was
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
The only thing I know about the nicotine patches is that smoking and wearing
one of those is a huge no-no. Supposedly combining the two shoots the b/p >> >to very dangerous levels as does cocaine.
people swear by kava kava.
I've had that.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/wOnm7xFl2uw/m/vYel3r2UbcgJ
On 28/01/2024 19:05, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:07:44 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out toIMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive.It's a bad habit. It
may be
an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives >>> them an excuse not to quit.
It's extremely addictive. Both psychologically and physically.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
When he did eventually quit, like you, it was cold turkey - he stubbed
out a half-smoked cigarette, leaving the carton it came from in the end
table next to his usual seat in the living room. That carton was still
there, untouched, when he died a few years later.
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman
during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
My father-in-law was a radio operator on a B-17 based in England during
WWII. He smoked about that much. I don't think he ever quit. He made it
to 71.
<https://postimg.cc/23s5pVD8>
On 1/28/2024 2:28 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman
during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
My father started smoking cigarettes at the age of 14. He was a combat >veteran in WWII at the age of 17 on a ship in the South Pacific. The >military handed out cigs like candy.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
When he did eventually quit, like you, it was cold turkey - he stubbed
out a half-smoked cigarette, leaving the carton it came from in the end
table next to his usual seat in the living room. That carton was still
there, untouched, when he died a few years later.
My father was a pack a day guy of unfiltered cigs and still asking the
nurses at the hospital for cigarettes up to the day he died. Some
habits are very hard to kick.
On 2024-01-28 1:56 p.m., songbird wrote:
  also, nicotine is a poison. if you are not a regular
smoker and over do it you can make yourself sick (i've done
it).
I am curious about the process by which consuming a poison can make you sicker if you only use it occasionally than it will if you use it regularly.  Less is more?
On 1/28/2024 4:05 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman >>> during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
My father-in-law was a radio operator on a B-17 based in England during
WWII. He smoked about that much. I don't think he ever quit. He made it
to 71.
<https://postimg.cc/23s5pVD8>
That's a fantasic old pic, Leo. Thanks for sharing it!
Jill
On 1/28/2024 6:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-28 1:56 p.m., songbird wrote:Mithridatism. You can build a tolerance to some chemicals over time,
  also, nicotine is a poison. if you are not a regular
smoker and over do it you can make yourself sick (i've done
it).
I am curious about the process by which consuming a poison can make you
sicker if you only use it occasionally than it will if you use it
regularly.  Less is more?
usually small constant doses. Stop and you lose the tolerance.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 11:05:25 AM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >> On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman >> > during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out toMy father-in-law was a radio operator on a B-17 based in England during
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
WWII. He smoked about that much. I don't think he ever quit. He made it
to 71.
<https://postimg.cc/23s5pVD8>
He's a good looking guy. Looks like Robert Walker Jr. & Sr.
OTOH, white people pretty much all look the same to me.
On 1/28/2024 8:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
On 1/28/2024 4:05 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat
cameraman
during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to >>>> all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
My father-in-law was a radio operator on a B-17 based in England during
WWII. He smoked about that much. I don't think he ever quit. He made it
to 71.
<https://postimg.cc/23s5pVD8>
That's a fantasic old pic, Leo. Thanks for sharing it!
Jill
If I didn't know it was his FIL, he looks like some Hollywood type.
Maybe Bob Hope?
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
On 2024-01-29 10:53 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
There were 4 bomber airfields within a short bike ride from my Suffolk village. At least 2 were American.
Drawing a 12mile circle around the village, there were at least 9
airfields.
On 2024-01-29 12:59 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-29 10:53 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s >>> flew out of England.
There were 4 bomber airfields within a short bike ride from my Suffolk
village. At least 2 were American.
Drawing a 12mile circle around the village, there were at least 9
airfields.
My father was stationed in that area. He was at Newmarket for a while
and later at Oakington.
On 29/01/2024 17:53, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
Pity. I wonder if they ever crossed paths? As a cameraman, he took the
place of one of the side gunners, and was assigned to a number of
different planes, so got to know many of the men.
My parents _did_ talk about the war, as that's why they met - my mother
was in Signals in the RAF, (and also did a bit of work for Bletchley Park).
I had been unable to find anything online about that but when I dropped
his name and looked for his regiment, the RCRs, and the town,
Pontecorvo, and there was a picture of him and the sergeant who had accompanied him, but he was misidentified. The caption says he is
Lt.William Smith, but he was Lt. William Rich.
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3202714
My son had an oxygen business and supplied home users. I've been to
some of them. They turn the oxygen off to have a smoke.
Well, most do. One night a guy did not. Spent some time in the
hospital burn unit.
On 2024-01-28, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
My son had an oxygen business and supplied home users. I've been to
some of them. They turn the oxygen off to have a smoke.
Well, most do. One night a guy did not. Spent some time in the
hospital burn unit.
In the Seventies, in my hometown, a guy was admitted to the hospital and
put on oxygen in his hospital bed. He lit up and caught on fire. I
believe he died.
The hospital probably changed their protocols after that. At any rate,
the town became #woke to the danger immediately.
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
On 1/29/2024 12:53 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:16:42 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/29/2024 12:53 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s >>> flew out of England.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
I got 2 letters from them. Letter 1 said I'd passed the medical.
Letter 2 said they didn't want me because I was hard to fit in. Well,
I didn't want them either :)
On 29/01/2024 19:07, Dave Smith wrote:But early onset dementia turned him into a Republican.
ny old town. He had led the first Allied patrol across the Hitler Line.
I had been unable to find anything online about that but when I
dropped his name and looked for his regiment, the RCRs, and the town,
Pontecorvo, and there was a picture of him and the sergeant who had
accompanied him, but he was misidentified. The caption says he is
Lt.William Smith, but he was Lt. William Rich.
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3202714
Nice!
One of my mother's brothers found a history book with a photo on the
cover of some of the people associated with Bletchley Park. He sent it
to her, because she was one of the people in the picture. The family
hadn't known that she didn't just work radios in the RAF - as she was
subject to the Official Secrets Act.
I also found photos, and some film, of my father when he was at 'Fort
Roach' (the Hal Roach Studios in LA), training with the 1st Motion
Picture Unit.
His personnel officer was Ronald Reagan - back then Reagan was a
Democrat...
On 1/29/2024 12:53 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC
base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
On 2024-01-29 1:10 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
One of my mother's brothers found a history book with a photo on theBut early onset dementia turned him into a Republican.
cover of some of the people associated with Bletchley Park. He sent it
to her, because she was one of the people in the picture. The family
hadn't known that she didn't just work radios in the RAF - as she was
subject to the Official Secrets Act.
I also found photos, and some film, of my father when he was at 'Fort
Roach' (the Hal Roach Studios in LA), training with the 1st Motion
Picture Unit.
His personnel officer was Ronald Reagan - back then Reagan was a
Democrat...
On 2024-01-29 1:10 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
On 29/01/2024 19:07, Dave Smith wrote:
ny old town. He had led the first Allied patrol across the Hitler Line.
I had been unable to find anything online about that but when I
dropped his name and looked for his regiment, the RCRs, and the town,
Pontecorvo, and there was a picture of him and the sergeant who had
accompanied him, but he was misidentified. The caption says he is
Lt.William Smith, but he was Lt. William Rich.
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3202714
Nice!
One of my mother's brothers found a history book with a photo on the
cover of some of the people associated with Bletchley Park. He sent it
to her, because she was one of the people in the picture. The family
hadn't known that she didn't just work radios in the RAF - as she was
subject to the Official Secrets Act.
I also found photos, and some film, of my father when he was at 'Fort
Roach' (the Hal Roach Studios in LA), training with the 1st Motion
Picture Unit.
His personnel officer was Ronald Reagan - back then Reagan was a
Democrat...
But early onset dementia turned him into a Republican.
On 1/29/2024 4:31 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:16:42 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/29/2024 12:53 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-28, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
Do you know where he was based? Dad spent a lot of time at the USAAC >>>>> base near RAF Bomber Command in the High Wycombe area.
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s >>>> flew out of England.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
I got 2 letters from them. Letter 1 said I'd passed the medical.
Letter 2 said they didn't want me because I was hard to fit in. Well,
I didn't want them either :)
May have been fun to go for three months but two years would be too
long. Before I got my exemption, I was going to enlist in a Navy
program for 2 years active a four reserves.
I know a couple of people that "grew up" in the service so it was good
for them.
On 29/01/2024 22:08, Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-29 1:10 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
One of my mother's brothers found a history book with a photo on theBut early onset dementia turned him into a Republican.
cover of some of the people associated with Bletchley Park. He sent it
to her, because she was one of the people in the picture. The family
hadn't known that she didn't just work radios in the RAF - as she was
subject to the Official Secrets Act.
I also found photos, and some film, of my father when he was at 'Fort
Roach' (the Hal Roach Studios in LA), training with the 1st Motion
Picture Unit.
His personnel officer was Ronald Reagan - back then Reagan was a
Democrat...
Well, no.
His second wife turned him.
The dementia started years later.
On 1/29/2024 12:53 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
I don't. He didn't talk of the War to me other than to say it was the
European Theater. If he said more, I forget. I "think" most of the B-17s
flew out of England.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes
such little difference.
On 2024-01-29, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
I come from a long line of draft dodgers. My father, brother, and
myself were exempt from the draft for different reasons. None of us
asked, but were considered essential for other reasons.
I dodged it too. Too bad! We could have traded war stories about Dien
Bien Phu. My Dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII.
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes
such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes
such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
I think I'm with Leo on this one. Many liberals (liberal in its modern >butchered meaning) seem to be very racist against red people and also very >mean to elephants.
I do have an acquaintance who is extremely democrat, and I'm in the Trump >camp, and we can actually talk about things. This is very rare.
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:08:14 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
No, that was Nancy that converted him.
On 2024-01-29 1:10 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
But early onset dementia turned him into a Republican.
I also found photos, and some film, of my father when he was at 'Fort
Roach' (the Hal Roach Studios in LA), training with the 1st Motion
Picture Unit.
His personnel officer was Ronald Reagan - back then Reagan was a
Democrat...
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:58:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
I think I'm with Leo on this one. Many liberals (liberal in its modern
butchered meaning) seem to be very racist against red people and also very >> mean to elephants.
I do have an acquaintance who is extremely democrat, and I'm in the Trump
camp, and we can actually talk about things. This is very rare.
Must be hard for a Trump fan to have a conversation when you can only
use words with one syllable.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:58:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying >>>>> anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
I think I'm with Leo on this one. Many liberals (liberal in its modern
butchered meaning) seem to be very racist against red people and also very >>> mean to elephants.
I do have an acquaintance who is extremely democrat, and I'm in the Trump >>> camp, and we can actually talk about things. This is very rare.
Must be hard for a Trump fan to have a conversation when you can only
use words with one syllable.
Racist Bruce!
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes
such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
On 2024-01-30 3:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can >convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
On 2024-01-30 3:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes
such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 16:46:13 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:58:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>>>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying >>>>>> anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being >>>>>> racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
I think I'm with Leo on this one. Many liberals (liberal in its modern >>>> butchered meaning) seem to be very racist against red people and also very >>>> mean to elephants.
I do have an acquaintance who is extremely democrat, and I'm in the Trump >>>> camp, and we can actually talk about things. This is very rare.
Must be hard for a Trump fan to have a conversation when you can only
use words with one syllable.
Racist Bruce!
Which race did I offend? Is Trump zombies a race?
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 11:58:47 PM UTC-10, D wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Bruce wrote:
On 30 Jan 2024 08:36:05 GMT, Leonard BlaisdellI think I'm with Leo on this one. Many liberals (liberal in its modern
<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
Keep watching Fox News, Leo :)
butchered meaning) seem to be very racist against red people and also very >> mean to elephants.
I do have an acquaintance who is extremely democrat, and I'm in the Trump
camp, and we can actually talk about things. This is very rare.
I was thinking about how you knew that I didn't like elephants. I saw
an elephant kill a guy and I didn't much care for elephants after
that. That was before I realized you meant Republicans. Ha ha. As far
as the red people are concerned, some of them deserve our disdain on
account of how they treat non-white people. My son's ex-girlfriend
went back to her family's little hamlet in TN for her dad's funeral.
She had to stay in a hotel because of my son. These are rich people
with mansions. My son wasn't even there but she was cast out by her
kinfolk. What the hell. Well, that's the story I got anyway. She told
my son that he doesn't want to ever show his face in her (red)neck of
the woods. That would be a dumb move.
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as
if you prejudge them.
On 2024-01-30, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-30 3:36 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-01-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It's hard to tell whether a Republican suffers from dementia. It makes >>>> such little difference.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can
convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as
if you prejudge them.
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as
if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as
if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement
if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
I'll sum up: for everything you said, I can provide counterexamples.
Can you provide statistics on exactly what percentage of liberals
satisfy your unsupported assertions?
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement
if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies.
Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much easier to tear things down than to build.
I'll sum up: for everything you said, I can provide counterexamples.
Can you provide statistics on exactly what percentage of liberals
satisfy your unsupported assertions?
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know what percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say. As you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot of those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I only mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common pseudo intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions of authority to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to claim you never heard that one, or that the fact that someone who identifies as liberal argued against it.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know whatI'll have to go with Dave on this one. His experience mirrors my
percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say. As >> you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by
labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot of >> those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I only
mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common pseudo
intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions of authority >> to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to claim you never >> heard that one, or that the fact that someone who identifies as liberal
argued against it.
experience.
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>> if you prejudge them.
   it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement
if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. YouI hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased
while you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory
Pscyh course to assume that all police are donut chomping high school
drop out bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some
groups being over represented in the criminal justice system while
denying that they are over represented in the commission of crime. You
get to enjoy the videos of the woke assholes destroying property
because it is so much easier to tear things down than to build.
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. YouI hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased
while you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory
Pscyh course to assume that all police are donut chomping high school
drop out bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some
groups being over represented in the criminal justice system while
denying that they are over represented in the commission of crime. You
get to enjoy the videos of the woke assholes destroying property
because it is so much easier to tear things down than to build.
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty tame compared
to the nonsense that went on during the G20 meeetings in Toronto
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement
if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
I'll sum up: for everything you said, I can provide counterexamples.
Can you provide statistics on exactly what percentage of liberals
satisfy your unsupported assertions?
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know what percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say.
As you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot
of those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I
only mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common
pseudo intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions
of authority to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to claim you never heard that one, or that the fact that someone who
identifies as liberal argued against it.
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 8:50:12 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:caught on with smoking. I did a little more with drinking, though.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:13:46 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I was
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
You still remember the faces of your friends who were there when you took your first inhale, right? I do. One of the people said, after you inhale, remove the cigarette and then inhale even more. I started coughing. They all laughed. I never really
The only thing I know about the nicotine patches is that smoking and wearing
one of those is a huge no-no. Supposedly combining the two shoots the b/p >> > to very dangerous levels as does cocaine.
The stuff they have out here now is mind boggling.
You know who smokes a lot? The Chinese. I suppose they drink a lot too.
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement
if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between.
Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken
by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can
convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course
to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
I'll sum up: for everything you said, I can provide counterexamples.
Can you provide statistics on exactly what percentage of liberals
satisfy your unsupported assertions?
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know what
percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say.
As you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by
labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot
of those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I
only mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common
pseudo intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions
of authority to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to
claim you never heard that one, or that the fact that someone who
identifies as liberal argued against it.
Everybody feels free to make assumptions about others. You're doing it
right here.
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as aI hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
liberal. You can convince yourself that you are open
minded and not at all biased while you apply the only thing
you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course to assume
that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some
groups being over represented in the criminal justice system
while denying that they are over represented in the
commission of crime. You get to enjoy the videos of the woke
assholes destroying property because it is so much easier to
tear things down than to build.
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty tame
compared to the nonsense that went on during the G20 meeetings
in Toronto or the BLM protests. The latter may have had
legitimate concerns but the violent extremists came out of the
woodwork to take advantage of those situations.
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. YouI hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
can convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased
while you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory
Pscyh course to assume that all police are donut chomping high school
drop out bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some
groups being over represented in the criminal justice system while
denying that they are over represented in the commission of crime.
You get to enjoy the videos of the woke assholes destroying property
because it is so much easier to tear things down than to build.
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty tame compared
to the nonsense that went on during the G20 meeetings in Toronto or the
BLM protests. The latter may have had legitimate concerns but the
violent extremists came out of the woodwork to take advantage of those situations.
On 2024-01-31 12:11 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty tame
compared to the nonsense that went on during the G20 meeetings in
Toronto or the BLM protests. The latter may have had legitimate
concerns but the violent extremists came out of the woodwork to take
advantage of those situations.
Dave, you should change your dispensing optician. He's surreptitiously selling you rose-tinted glasses!
On 2024-01-31 5:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 12:11 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty
tame compared to the nonsense that went on during the G20
meeetings in Toronto or the BLM protests. The latter may
have had legitimate concerns but the violent extremists came
out of the woodwork to take advantage of those situations.
Dave, you should change your dispensing optician. He's
surreptitiously
selling you rose-tinted glasses!
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing
extremists are assaulting one building, even a very important
one, compared to large crowds of left wingers who refuse to
condemn the rioters, looters and arsonists, it is difficult to
sympathize with either of the extreme fringes. That is the
problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy theories
that go along with that.
Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:I hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement >>>> if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can >>> convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course >>> to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
January 6th was a mostly peaceful demonstration, Graham... and the Capitol Police let these peeps in...
The federal government had "plants" amongst the crowd that, unfortunatetly, initiated some "troubles"...
And there was certainly no "attempted coup" or "insurrection"...
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/06/january-6-2021-was-not-an-insurrection/
"Webster's 1828 Dictionary online defines "rebellion" as being "An open and avowed renunciation of the government to which
one owes allegiance; or the taking of arms traitorously to resist the authority of lawful government; revolt." The word "insurrection"
draws its meaning in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment from the word "rebellion", with which it is associated...
Far from it being a rebellion, January 6th was a two and one-half hour event in the Capitol City of the third most populous
country in the world. No one came to the riot with guns even though guns are widely available in this country...
When former President Trump asked them to leave, they left...
No-one from then on raised so much as a question over whether President would leave office peacefully, which he did by
flying to Florida on the morning of January 20, 2021..."
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:52:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:caught on with smoking. I did a little more with drinking, though.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:54:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 8:50:12 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote: >> >> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:13:46 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I was >> >> > up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it
helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else >> >> > > then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never
manage.
You still remember the faces of your friends who were there when you took your first inhale, right? I do. One of the people said, after you inhale, remove the cigarette and then inhale even more. I started coughing. They all laughed. I never really
Do you mean the few Hawaiian Chinese that you know or the other 2
The only thing I know about the nicotine patches is that smoking and wearing
one of those is a huge no-no. Supposedly combining the two shoots the b/p
to very dangerous levels as does cocaine.
The stuff they have out here now is mind boggling.
You know who smokes a lot? The Chinese. I suppose they drink a lot too.
billion?
I don't know any Chinese people in Hawaii that smoke. I ain't talking about them. What do you know about the Chinese and Chinese culture? Nuttin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWN0tmk_J8
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing extremists
are assaulting one building, even a very important one, compared to
large crowds of left wingers who refuse to condemn the rioters, looters
and arsonists, it is difficult to sympathize with either of the extreme fringes. That is the problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy theories that go along with that.
On 2024-01-31 5:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 12:11 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-31 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
Jan. 6 was a black day in American history, but it pretty tame
compared to the nonsense that went on during the G20 meeetings in
Toronto or the BLM protests. The latter may have had legitimate
concerns but the violent extremists came out of the woodwork to take
advantage of those situations.
Dave, you should change your dispensing optician. He's surreptitiously
selling you rose-tinted glasses!
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing extremists
are assaulting one building, even a very important one, compared to
large crowds of left wingers who refuse to condemn the rioters, looters
and arsonists, it is difficult to sympathize with either of the extreme fringes. That is the problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy theories that go along with that.
On 2024-01-31 5:00 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement >>>> if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can >>> convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course >>> to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
I'll sum up: for everything you said, I can provide counterexamples.
Can you provide statistics on exactly what percentage of liberals
satisfy your unsupported assertions?
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know what
percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say. >>> As you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by >>> labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot >>> of those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I
only mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common
pseudo intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions
of authority to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to >>> claim you never heard that one, or that the fact that someone who
identifies as liberal argued against it.
Everybody feels free to make assumptions about others. You're doing it
right here.
Yeah right.... I am making assumptions on things that I have heard and
that I have read right here.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:32:25 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
I am sure you think you could have, but you didn't. I don't know whatI'll have to go with Dave on this one. His experience mirrors my
percentage of those who claim to be liberal fit that mold. I didn't say. As >>> you can see, I gave examples of what you can do to delude yourself by
labelling yourself as a liberal. Surely you are not suggesting that lot of >>> those people do not feel free to make assumptions about others. I only >>> mentioned the cops and donuts. I had not mentioned another common pseudo >>> intellectual aspersion about cops and others seeking positions of authority
to compensate for small penises. I suppose you will try to claim you never >>> heard that one, or that the fact that someone who identifies as liberal
argued against it.
experience.
But you're a Trump supporter. All those American movies about zombie invasions are coming true. 50% have already been zombified and they
don't realise it.
Graham wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-01-31 9:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:I hadn't seen January 6th defined as wokeism before.
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-01-31 8:45 a.m., songbird wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...
Goodness. You paint liberals with a very broad brush. It's almost as >>>>>>> if you prejudge them.
it is rare that Mr. Dave complains about some issue
without also exhibiting it.
Okay.... got it. You can't disagree with what I said.
Yes, I can. It would be easier to enumerate my points of disagreement >>>> if you hadn't snipped yours into oblivion.
It was readily accessible for you. I went back to copy and paste it for
you.
It must be fun to be a liberal. Rail against bullying while bullying
anyone who doesn't agree with you. Rail against racism while being
racist. Real non-racists don't see color. They are few and far between. >>>> Rail against inflation while throwing money at failing liberal policies. >>>> Crow about freedom while making sure there's a law for any action taken >>>> by an individual. Scream unity while Balkanizing the people into
separate, one issue mobs whose grievance you'll soon address.
The list goes on.
There are a lot of benefits to labelling yourself as a liberal. You can >>> convince yourself that you are open minded and not at all biased while
you apply the only thing you gleaned from that introductory Pscyh course >>> to assume that all police are donut chomping high school drop out
bigots. They can whine and scream the woke BS about some groups being
over represented in the criminal justice system while denying that they
are over represented in the commission of crime. You get to enjoy the
videos of the woke assholes destroying property because it is so much
easier to tear things down than to build.
January 6th was a mostly peaceful demonstration, Graham... and the Capitol Police let these peeps in...
The federal government had "plants" amongst the crowd that, unfortunatetly, initiated some "troubles"...
And there was certainly no "attempted coup" or "insurrection"...
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/06/january-6-2021-was-not-an-insurrection/
"Webster's 1828 Dictionary online defines "rebellion" as being "An open and avowed renunciation of the government to which
one owes allegiance; or the taking of arms traitorously to resist the authority of lawful government; revolt." The word "insurrection"
draws its meaning in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment from the word "rebellion", with which it is associated...
Far from it being a rebellion, January 6th was a two and one-half hour event in the Capitol City of the third most populous
country in the world. No one came to the riot with guns even though guns are widely available in this country...
When former President Trump asked them to leave, they left...
No-one from then on raised so much as a question over whether President would leave office peacefully, which he did by
flying to Florida on the morning of January 20, 2021..."
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:32:25 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I'll have to go with Dave on this one. His experience mirrors my
experience.
But you're a Trump supporter. All those American movies about zombie
invasions are coming true. 50% have already been zombified and they
don't realise it.
That's horrible! How did it happen?
On 2024-02-01 5:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing extremists
are assaulting one building, even a very important one, compared to
large crowds of left wingers who refuse to condemn the rioters, looters
and arsonists, it is difficult to sympathize with either of the extreme
fringes. That is the problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy
theories that go along with that.
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the
violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a bunch of
white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19 deaths,
17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other peaceful protests.
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing extremists
are assaulting one building, even a very important one, compared to
large crowds of left wingers who refuse to condemn the rioters, looters
and arsonists, it is difficult to sympathize with either of the extreme
fringes. That is the problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy
theories that go along with that.
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
On 2024-02-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the
violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a bunch of
white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19 deaths,
17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other peaceful protests.
A counter-example.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
On 2024-02-01 8:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-02-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the
violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a bunch of
white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19 deaths,
17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other peaceful
protests.
A counter-example.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion:Â "Conservatives love Trump".
That is something that I don't understand. The guy is a buffoon. He is a liar, a bully and a sexual predator and he gets away with it. I thought
there might be some hope for the GOP when I read or her a news report
that there were a number of people opposed to Trump because they thought
he would scare off support. One might hope that the recent $83 million award for his defamation suit would open some people's eyes.
On 2024-02-01 7:22 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-01 8:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Meanwhile, Polièvre lies and misleads to his heart's content.
On 2024-02-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the
violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a bunch of >>>> white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19 deaths,
17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other peaceful
protests.
A counter-example.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion:Â "Conservatives love Trump".
That is something that I don't understand. The guy is a buffoon. He is
a liar, a bully and a sexual predator and he gets away with it. I
thought there might be some hope for the GOP when I read or her a news
report that there were a number of people opposed to Trump because
they thought he would scare off support. One might hope that the
recent $83 million award for his defamation suit would open some
people's eyes.
He has a mild case of the trump virus.
On 2024-02-01 8:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
A counter-example.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
That is something that I don't understand. The guy is a buffoon. He is a >liar, a bully and a sexual predator and he gets away with it. I thought
there might be some hope for the GOP when I read or her a news report
that there were a number of people opposed to Trump because they thought
he would scare off support. One might hope that the recent $83 million
award for his defamation suit would open some people's eyes.
On 2024-02-01 10:15 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-01 7:22 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-01 8:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:Meanwhile, Polièvre lies and misleads to his heart's content.
On 2024-02-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
https://www.michigandaily.com/multimedia/photo-essay-black-lives-matter-protest-chelsea-mi/
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the >>>>> violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a
bunch of
white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19 deaths, >>>>> 17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other peaceful
protests.
A counter-example.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you >>>> with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
That is something that I don't understand. The guy is a buffoon. He
is a liar, a bully and a sexual predator and he gets away with it. I
thought there might be some hope for the GOP when I read or her a
news report that there were a number of people opposed to Trump
because they thought he would scare off support. One might hope that
the recent $83 million award for his defamation suit would open some
people's eyes.
He has a mild case of the trump virus.
Get used to it.  His support is increasing while Mr. Dress-up's
popularity is plummeting as people are finally realizing was a corrupt
jerk he is.
On 2024-02-01 10:43 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-01 10:15 a.m., Graham wrote:
Get used to it.  His support is increasing while Mr. Dress-up'sBut they don't realise what a complete jerk Polièvre is!!
popularity is plummeting as people are finally realizing was a corrupt
jerk he is.
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:really caught on with smoking. I did a little more with drinking, though.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:53:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:52:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:54:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 8:50:12 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:13:46 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I was
My last and successful attempt to quit was cold turkey, but if it >> >> >> > > helps someone to use nicotine patches, acupuncture or anything else
then good for them. As long as they quit. Plenty of people never >> >> >> > > manage.
up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
You still remember the faces of your friends who were there when you took your first inhale, right? I do. One of the people said, after you inhale, remove the cigarette and then inhale even more. I started coughing. They all laughed. I never
That's why I, as opposed to you, don't make blanket statements aboutbillion?
The only thing I know about the nicotine patches is that smoking and wearing
one of those is a huge no-no. Supposedly combining the two shoots the b/p
to very dangerous levels as does cocaine.
The stuff they have out here now is mind boggling.
You know who smokes a lot? The Chinese. I suppose they drink a lot too. >> >> Do you mean the few Hawaiian Chinese that you know or the other 2
I don't know any Chinese people in Hawaii that smoke. I ain't talking about them. What do you know about the Chinese and Chinese culture? Nuttin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWN0tmk_J8
them.
I went to Target recently and saw that they had some Lunar New Year items on sale. I thought that was kind of goofy. The new year is celebrated on February 10th this year. It's the Year of the Dragon.
https://www.target.com/c/lunar-new-year/-/N-kw56b
On 2024-02-01 10:15 a.m., Graham wrote:
Meanwhile, Polièvre lies and misleads to his heart's content.
He has a mild case of the trump virus.
Get used to it. His support is increasing while Mr. Dress-up's
popularity is plummeting as people are finally realizing was a corrupt
jerk he is.
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
On 2024-02-01, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
That's not quite the case. I'm a Conservative, not a Republican. The >Republican Party moved to the left of me long ago.
On 2024-01-30, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I dodged it too. Too bad! We could have traded war stories about Dien
Bien Phu. My Dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII.
That was my grandfather. But he worked in the auto industry, so
when they converted over to war materiel, he did his part in Detroit.
On 2024-02-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2024-02-01 10:15 a.m., Graham wrote:
Meanwhile, Polièvre lies and misleads to his heart's content.
He has a mild case of the trump virus.
Get used to it. His support is increasing while Mr. Dress-up's
popularity is plummeting as people are finally realizing was a corrupt
jerk he is.
Polièvre! Is that the guy that made a fool out of the reporter while
eating an apple? I gotta remember his name, even though I can't
pronounce it.
On 2024-01-30, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
That was my grandfather. But he worked in the auto industry, so
when they converted over to war materiel, he did his part in Detroit.
In my defense, I didn't completely dodge the war. I made bombs, mines
and big ammunition for naval warships while the war was going on.
I also headed the night-shift in a lab that determined which five-inch projectiles might or might not blow up in the barrel when fired from the
guns on naval vessels. So I did my part! ;)
On 2024-01-30, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-30, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I dodged it too. Too bad! We could have traded war stories about Dien
Bien Phu. My Dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII.
That was my grandfather. But he worked in the auto industry, so
when they converted over to war materiel, he did his part in Detroit.
In my defense, I didn't completely dodge the war. I made bombs, mines
and big ammunition for naval warships while the war was going on.
I also headed the night-shift in a lab that determined which five-inch projectiles might or might not blow up in the barrel when fired from the
guns on naval vessels. So I did my part! ;)
On 2024-02-01 2:18 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2024-02-01 10:43 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-02-01 10:15 a.m., Graham wrote:
Get used to it.  His support is increasing while Mr. Dress-up'sBut they don't realise what a complete jerk Polièvre is!!
popularity is plummeting as people are finally realizing was a corrupt
jerk he is.
And Trudeau isn't a complete jerk?
At the beginning of the pandemic he was slow to shut down air travel until his wife and mother got back from their so called charity work in the UK that
turned out to be paid speaking engagements, paid for with money the charity got from the government. He slaps an every increasing carbon tax while he flies back and forth around the world. He tried to force the AG to drop a case against an engineering firm and then booted Wilson[Raybould and Philpot from caucus. The company ended up pleading guilty and got a $280 million fine, but Trudeau wanted them to get a slap on the wrist with a DPA.
On 2024-02-01, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
Really, I think we're never going to convince each other. I leave you
with this assertion: "Conservatives love Trump".
That's not quite the case.
On 2024-02-01 5:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
When it comes to situations where small groups of right wing
extremists are assaulting one building, even a very important
one, compared to large crowds of left wingers who refuse to
condemn the rioters, looters and arsonists, it is difficult to
sympathize with either of the extreme fringes. That is the
problem with polarized politics and the conspiracy theories that
go along with that.
And then there were BLM demonstrations like this:
That's rich. In your previous post you said my sample was not
statistically significant and then, in response to my example of the
violent BLM protests you link to a pro BLM protest staged by a bunch
of white kids in a white community. I guess that negates the 19
deaths, 17,000 arrests and $1-2 Billion in damage at the other
peaceful protests.
Virginia Beach had 2. One was crashed by outside folks into violence
who trashed the Beach boardwalk area. Sadly they hit mostly minority
owned businesses while yelling there weren't enough minority owned ones.
Facts are the minority owned places is a higher perscent than our
minority population in the area.
Our LOCAL BLM tried to quell it along side the police then afterwards >organized a big cleanup effort. I helped with that as did hundreds of >others.
The other one was quiet and was at town center. They left some trash
but we didn't hear of worse.
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a week, which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at
all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 20:08:03 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfiltered
My father was a pack a day guy of unfiltered cigs and still asking the
nurses at the hospital for cigarettes up to the day he died. Some
habits are very hard to kick.
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 19:28:59 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
My father didn't start smoking until his 30s - he was a combat cameraman
during WWII (mostly in bombers), and free cigarettes were handed out to
all the airmen.
He developed a 3 1/2 carton a week habit.
When he did eventually quit, like you, it was cold turkey - he stubbed
out a half-smoked cigarette, leaving the carton it came from in the end
table next to his usual seat in the living room. That carton was still
there, untouched, when he died a few years later.
That's willpower. One weak moment and he could have lit up before he
had the chance to change his mind on the way to the store.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:13:46 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
When I quit, it was cold turkey and never had another craving and I
was up to 2½ packs per day and menthol on top of that.
You still remember the faces of your friends who were there when you
took your first inhale, right? I do. One of the people said, after
you inhale, remove the cigarette and then inhale even more. I
started coughing. They all laughed. I never really caught on with
smoking.
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfiltered
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
On 29/01/2024 01:22, Bruce wrote:
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfilteredHmm.
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
I believe there was (perhaps still is) a very French filter version of >Gauloise - 'Disc Bleu'.
On 1/28/2024 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a week,
which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at
all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
I told him he should switch to smoking pot instead, but he didn't like
that idea.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away
at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
On 29/01/2024 01:22, Bruce wrote:
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfilteredHmm.
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
I believe there was (perhaps still is) a very French filter version of >Gauloise - 'Disc Bleu'.
On 1/28/2024 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a week,
which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at
all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives
them an excuse not to quit.
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
Michael Trew wrote:
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
i don't really agree because in my experience i still will
dream of smoking all these years later even if i've not had
anything like that in over 40yrs. i never dream of having a
drink of any kind.
yes, the physical habit is also hard to break but there is
a harder component to it which goes deep in the brain. i
suspect you've not ever smoked...
Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/28/2024 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a week, >>> which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at
all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives >>> them an excuse not to quit.
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
i don't really agree because in my experience i still will
dream of smoking all these years later even if i've not had
anything like that in over 40yrs. i never dream of having a
drink of any kind.
yes, the physical habit is also hard to break but there is
a harder component to it which goes deep in the brain. i
suspect you've not ever smoked...
songbird
On 2/3/2024 11:24 AM, songbird wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/28/2024 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to >>>> quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and >>>> others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a
week,
which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at >>>> all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As >>>> an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just
gives
them an excuse not to quit.
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to >>> do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
  i don't really agree because in my experience i still will
dream of smoking all these years later even if i've not had
anything like that in over 40yrs. i never dream of having a
drink of any kind.
  yes, the physical habit is also hard to break but there is
a harder component to it which goes deep in the brain. i
suspect you've not ever smoked...
  songbird
I quit and got over the addictive part in maybe 4 or 5 days. Ar work, I never smoked in the office, but would light up as soon as I went into
the shop. For a long time, I'd reach for the doorknob with my left
hand, and my right went to the shirt pocked that used to have the smokes.
Never had the desire to go back to it. Today, repulsive is a better description.
On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 04:31:53 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
You were never a smoker.
We both gave up at the same time, when cigarettes had an increased
'sin' tax which made a carton (back then) $10 plus a few cents. The
best advice our doctor gave us was to change our routine over things
like our favourite smoke being after supper. So don't sit at the
table wishing, get up straight away and take the dog for a walk! It
does really help for that first week of craving. I understand the
price of a packet of cigarettes is now nearly $20 so it was a good
move ! Another plus was the house didn't smell and the ceilings were
not always turning yellow :)
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 08:22:46 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/28/2024 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
My oldest brother, the dim bulb on the family tree, has been trying to
quit smoking for years. He has tried therapy, acupuncture, nicoderm and
others. It has not reduced the number of cigarettes he smokes in a week, >>> which has always been so low you can hardly call him a smoker. He has
two cigarettes a day and sometimes goes several days without smoking at
all.
IMO, all these programs, gums and patches a do more harm than good. As
an ex smoker I don't think tobacco is addictive. It's a bad habit. It
may be an addictive behavior. Telling people that it is a physical
addiction and that they need these products to help them quit just gives >>> them an excuse not to quit.
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
You were never a smoker.
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 15:36:45 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 04:31:53 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
You were never a smoker.
We both gave up at the same time, when cigarettes had an increased
'sin' tax which made a carton (back then) $10 plus a few cents. The
best advice our doctor gave us was to change our routine over things
like our favourite smoke being after supper. So don't sit at the
table wishing, get up straight away and take the dog for a walk! It
does really help for that first week of craving. I understand the
price of a packet of cigarettes is now nearly $20 so it was a good
move ! Another plus was the house didn't smell and the ceilings were
not always turning yellow :)
Yes, it's a good habit to give up. Kids that start smoking don't
realise how hard it will be when they'll want to quit in 25 years. Not
to mention the cost, indeed, especially in Australia. I wonder to
which degree cigarettes have moved into the criminal scene.
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:
He succeeded in quitting when he died.
One of my
neighbors tried to convince me to have a cigarette a few times.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away
at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 06:47:45 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Yes, it's a good habit to give up. Kids that start smoking don't
realise how hard it will be when they'll want to quit in 25 years. Not
to mention the cost, indeed, especially in Australia. I wonder to
which degree cigarettes have moved into the criminal scene.
Illegal cigarettes come across Lake Ontario and are sold that much
more cheaply than legal. There is hardly any public space now where
smoking is allowed and the areas outside stores etc has to be 30m away
or so. If I pass by one of those areas you can tell if they are
smoking illegals because they smell hellish. They have to be worse for
the lungs than legal ones.
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
So true, all suffering for that person ceases immediately.
On 2024-02-03 2:11 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
"Death is the ultimate analgesic"
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote: >>>>
One of myHe succeeded in quitting when he died.
neighbors tried to convince me to have a cigarette a few times.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away >>>> at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
A.C. Grayling
On 2024-02-03 4:40 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
So true, all suffering for that person ceases immediately.
On 2024-02-03 2:11 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
"Death is the ultimate analgesic"
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote: >>>>
One of myHe succeeded in quitting when he died.
neighbors tried to convince me to have a cigarette a few times.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away >>>> at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
A.C. Grayling
That's what we assume because their body ceases to function so it does
not demonstrate the physical signs that we associate with pain and
suffering. Then the body starts to decay and we understand how painful
that is for the living. There are those with religious beliefs who think
that some of us go to heaven and eternal bliss, but that a lot more of
us go to hell and suffer eternal pain and suffering. I have seen enough people die of cancer and spend their last days in extreme pain. I prefer
to think that once the body dies they are released from the pain and suffering but who knows for sure?
In article <8ozvN.328891$xHn7.307358@fx14.iad>,
adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
On 2024-02-03 4:40 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
So true, all suffering for that person ceases immediately.
On 2024-02-03 2:11 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
"Death is the ultimate analgesic"
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote: >> >>>>
One of myHe succeeded in quitting when he died.
neighbors tried to convince me to have a cigarette a few times.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away >> >>>> at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
A.C. Grayling
That's what we assume because their body ceases to function so it does
not demonstrate the physical signs that we associate with pain and
suffering. Then the body starts to decay and we understand how painful
that is for the living. There are those with religious beliefs who think
that some of us go to heaven and eternal bliss, but that a lot more of
us go to hell and suffer eternal pain and suffering. I have seen enough
people die of cancer and spend their last days in extreme pain. I prefer
to think that once the body dies they are released from the pain and
suffering but who knows for sure?
If you've ever been present as someone dies, you see
the transformation take place. The person who used to live
in it vacates their body leaving it as empty as a shell.
Janet UK
On 1/28/2024 8:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 20:08:03 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfiltered
My father was a pack a day guy of unfiltered cigs and still asking the
nurses at the hospital for cigarettes up to the day he died. Some
habits are very hard to kick.
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
Didn't tobacco originally come from America?
On 2/3/2024 8:41 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/28/2024 8:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 20:08:03 -0500, jmcquown<j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
In the 70s, many French people thought that the French, unfiltered
My father was a pack a day guy of unfiltered cigs and still asking the >>>> nurses at the hospital for cigarettes up to the day he died. Some
habits are very hard to kick.
cigarettes -Gauloises or Gitanes- where fine. But don't smoke those
foreign cigarettes with a filter. They're bad for you!
Didn't tobacco originally come from America?
Probably. Native tribes (north and south American continents) had been cultivating tobacco for centuries.
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 6:31:06 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
In article <8ozvN.328891$xHn7....@fx14.iad>,
adavid...@sympatico.ca says...
On 2024-02-03 4:40 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 3:37:26 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
So true, all suffering for that person ceases immediately.
On 2024-02-03 2:11 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
"Death is the ultimate analgesic"
On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote: >> > >>>>
One of myHe succeeded in quitting when he died.
neighbors tried to convince me to have a cigarette a few times.
He was one of those who was "going to quit" every few weeks,
and then start up a few days later. Unfortunately, he just passed away
at 70 from a heart attack. Too late to quit the tobacco now...
A.C. Grayling
That's what we assume because their body ceases to function so it does
not demonstrate the physical signs that we associate with pain and
suffering. Then the body starts to decay and we understand how painful
that is for the living. There are those with religious beliefs who think >> > that some of us go to heaven and eternal bliss, but that a lot more of
us go to hell and suffer eternal pain and suffering. I have seen enough
people die of cancer and spend their last days in extreme pain. I prefer >> > to think that once the body dies they are released from the pain and
suffering but who knows for sure?
If you've ever been present as someone dies, you see
the transformation take place. The person who used to live
in it vacates their body leaving it as empty as a shell.
Going where, precisely?
Michael Trew wrote:
I think that you are correct about the issue being addictive behavior.
The addiction to nicotine is most commonly blamed, but in reality,
that's gone within a week or two of quitting. The habit which is hard
to break is physically smoking itself. Suddenly not having anything to
do in spare time, craving a cigarette, etc.
i don't really agree because in my experience i still will
dream of smoking all these years later even if i've not had
anything like that in over 40yrs. i never dream of having a
drink of any kind.
yes, the physical habit is also hard to break but there is
a harder component to it which goes deep in the brain. i
suspect you've not ever smoked...
songbird wrote:...
yes, the physical habit is also hard to break but there is
a harder component to it which goes deep in the brain. i
suspect you've not ever smoked...
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco. Now marijuana, occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist.
Michael Trew wrote:
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco. Now marijuana,
occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist.
i've done both enough to know they're completely different.
i'm also glad i quit smoking pot too - i don't mind those that
do smoke it and i don't think it should be illegal.
Michael Trew wrote:
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco. Now marijuana,
occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist.
i've done both enough to know they're completely different.
i'm also glad i quit smoking pot too - i don't mind those that
do smoke it and i don't think it should be illegal.
On 2024-02-13, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco. Now marijuana,
occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist.
i've done both enough to know they're completely different.
i'm also glad i quit smoking pot too - i don't mind those that
do smoke it and i don't think it should be illegal.
It ain't where I live, but it is nationally. I expect that to change
fairly soon. I still haven't smelled the distinctive aroma of mary jane
in my neighborhood since the law took effect a few years ago.
The government mostly gave up on the war on drugs some time ago. They
just haven't admitted it yet.
On 2024-02-13, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco. Now marijuana,
occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist.
i've done both enough to know they're completely different.
i'm also glad i quit smoking pot too - i don't mind those that
do smoke it and i don't think it should be illegal.
It ain't where I live, but it is nationally. I expect that to change
fairly soon. I still haven't smelled the distinctive aroma of mary jane
in my neighborhood since the law took effect a few years ago.
The government mostly gave up on the war on drugs some time ago. They
just haven't admitted it yet.
leo
On 2/13/2024 5:25 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-02-13, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:
Other than a few puffs out of curiosity, never tobacco.
Now marijuana,
occasionally. Either way, I don't know, I'm certainly not
a psychiatrist.
i've done both enough to know they're completely different.
i'm also glad i quit smoking pot too - i don't mind those that
do smoke it and i don't think it should be illegal.
It ain't where I live, but it is nationally. I expect that to
change
fairly soon. I still haven't smelled the distinctive aroma of
mary jane
in my neighborhood since the law took effect a few years ago.
The government mostly gave up on the war on drugs some time
ago. They
just haven't admitted it yet.
leo
More and more States have decriminalized it (not SC). That's
one way to stop the "war" on this particular drug. People
don't need buy from folks who smuggle bales of weed across the
border or from local farmers hiding the plants in remote
fields. Folks can buy it from a dispensary and pay tax on it
instead.
The Federal Government has been growing marijuana at 'Ole Miss'
(The University of Mississippi) for decades. I remember kids
talking about it when I was in high school:
https://pharmacy.olemiss.edu/marijuana/
Of course access there has always been strictly controlled.
Students couldn't just saunter over and start picking buds off
plants. LOL
Jill
The war on drugs should never have included marijuana. I think liquor
is a harder drug than marijuana and that's legal.
On 2024-02-14, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The war on drugs should never have included marijuana. I think liquor
is a harder drug than marijuana and that's legal.
The Eighteenth Amendment banned alcohol in 1919. Then we had "The
Roaring Twenties". The Twenty-first Amendment brought legal booze back
in the early Thirties as far as the Feds were concerned. Essentially,
the Feds threw booze regulation back to the States.
A poorly understood fact is that when the Supreme Court threw out Roe vs Wade, they didn't ban anything. They just threw the abortion issue back
to the States to decide individually.
On 2/15/2024 11:34 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
The Eighteenth Amendment banned alcohol in 1919. Then we had "The
Roaring Twenties". The Twenty-first Amendment brought legal booze back
in the early Thirties as far as the Feds were concerned. Essentially,
the Feds threw booze regulation back to the States.
A poorly understood fact is that when the Supreme Court threw out Roe vs
Wade, they didn't ban anything. They just threw the abortion issue back
to the States to decide individually.
Correct, but many states banned it to varying degrees. No longer
protected by the Feds. Depending on your situation, you have to travel
to other states. It will become a tourism opportunity for some states
that make it easy, could be a death sentence for a mother in states
where prohibited.
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