• Re: O. T. --- Weather Again --- O. T.

    From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Jan 22 19:23:58 2024
    On 2024-01-22 7:10 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:23:37 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote:

    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:08:17 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures >>> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
    Tuesday.

    Usenet awaits a report on the surviving bushes. 62F day is laundry drying weather
    for wet sheets.

    Not when it's raining dipshit and never when the temperature is below 65°.

    Not when it is raining is obvious but why not when the temperature is
    under 62? I have hung laundry when in subfreezing temperatures and the
    stuff tried. you have to get it out early because the sun sets early in winter. It's kind of neat the way the dried laundry is stiff when you
    take it off the line but softens when it thaws in the house.


    Yes, I own a clothes line and clamps.

    I have a clothesline and clothes pins. I've never heard of using clamps to hang and secure clothes to a line.

    I read clamps as pins. That's basically what they are.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Laguna Material on Mon Jan 22 19:45:45 2024
    On 1/22/2024 6:23 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:08:17 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    Today is the first day we've been above freezing in a week!! We've
    reached the welcoming temperature of 44°F/6°C!!!! Although mine
    and everybody else's yards are still covered in lots of snow, the
    street is now quite drivable. Very sunny, too.

    Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures >> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
    Tuesday.

    Usenet awaits a report on the surviving bushes. 62F day is laundry drying weather for wet sheets. Yes I own a clothes line and clamps.


    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 23 12:39:08 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:45:45 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/22/2024 6:23 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:08:17 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    Today is the first day we've been above freezing in a week!! We've
    reached the welcoming temperature of 44°F/6°C!!!! Although mine
    and everybody else's yards are still covered in lots of snow, the
    street is now quite drivable. Very sunny, too.

    Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures >>> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
    Tuesday.

    Usenet awaits a report on the surviving bushes. 62F day is laundry drying weather for wet sheets. Yes I own a clothes line and clamps.

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    How can you tell you're flying over Scotland? You look out of the
    window and you see toilet paper drying on clothes lines.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 23 09:45:26 2024
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 23 12:03:44 2024
    In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9.184503@fx12.iad>,
    hamilton@invalid.com says...

    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?

    Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".

    Janet UK

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Tue Jan 23 13:41:42 2024
    On 2024-01-23, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9.184503@fx12.iad>,
    hamilton@invalid.com says...

    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote: >> > On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?

    Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".

    I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
    line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
    folding.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jan 23 09:35:09 2024
    On 1/23/2024 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?


    They sometime come out twisted. I have a simple solution though. My
    cleaning lady folds them. She put together the fitted sheet, top sheet,
    pillow cases, then puts the bundle in the linen closet.

    Next time she comes, I take the bundle I want on the bed and put it in
    the bedroom and she puts them on. I tool the old ones off and put in
    the wash.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 23 09:59:22 2024
    On 2024-01-23 12:49 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:24:04 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:

    Not when it is raining is obvious but why not when the temperature is
    under 62? I have hung laundry when in subfreezing temperatures and the
    stuff tried. you have to get it out early because the sun sets early in
    winter. It's kind of neat the way the dried laundry is stiff when you
    take it off the line but softens when it thaws in the house.

    I've found when I hang out laundry when it's below 65° clothes struggle to dry completely.


    There are a number of factors that affect drying time. I think that
    wind and humidity matter a lot more than temperature.



    When I was a kid my mother would hang out laundry when it was 30° and
    the stuff would freeze dry. I was a kid, but I thought it was incredibly stupid
    because she had a clothes dryer but scared to death it would increase the electric bill by a dollar. How I hated those sandpaper towels. GRRRRRRRR


    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jan 23 15:13:25 2024
    On 2024-01-23, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
    line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
    folding.

    Depending on humidity and fabric composition, static electricity can
    give a teeny tiny bit of thrill if you're into that sort of thing.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 23 15:57:56 2024
    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote: >>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the >>>> 60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would
    hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?


    They sometime come out twisted.

    Oh, the humanity!

    I untwist them and put them right back on the bed.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jan 23 09:07:00 2024
    On 2024-01-23 8:57 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote: >>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the >>>>> 60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would >>>>> hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?


    They sometime come out twisted.

    Oh, the humanity!

    I untwist them and put them right back on the bed.

    Tut, Tut!
    You don't even iron them first?
    What kind of housewife are you?
    :-)

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Jan 23 11:26:46 2024
    Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-23 8:57 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in the >>>>>> 60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would >>>>>> hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as the chore
    is quickly done. But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?


    They sometime come out twisted.

    Oh, the humanity!

    I untwist them and put them right back on the bed.

    Tut, Tut!
    You don't even iron them first?
    What kind of housewife are you?
    :-)

    a smart one.

    i consider sheets torture devices and i don't ever use a
    top sheet as an actual top sheet (instead i use them as a
    layer underneath the blankets so i never have to see them
    unless i'm washing the bedding).

    in drying sheets i rarely fully dry them in the machine
    because it's pointless. i will dry for a few minutes to
    get them to almost dry stage and then take them out and
    toss them over a rack to finish (no static), by the next
    day they're dry enough to fold and do not require ironing,
    i have no concern about what they look like or if they
    might have a wrinkle in them. i also never make my bed
    more than once (when i wash the bedding and put it back
    together).

    the same with blankets or other bedding. ironing is
    completely not required and if someone would judge me
    based upon that they can take it all and stuff it up their
    bums or arses.


    songbird

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 23 11:50:59 2024
    songbird wrote:
    the same with blankets or other bedding. ironing is
    completely not required and if someone would judge me
    based upon that they can take it all and stuff it up their
    bums or arses.


    songbird

    Is that how mom feels about it too?

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Jan 23 12:38:29 2024
    On 1/23/2024 11:07 AM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-23 8:57 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>
    wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:45:50 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    I remember clothes lines, an ancient tradition. We had one back in >>>>>> the
    60s but once we had kids, bought a dryer. In the winter, people would >>>>>> hang stuff in the basement.

    We didn't have a basement nor attic, thus the clothesline.
    I appreciate my dryer, especially on the bitter cold winter days as
    the chore
    is quickly done.  But what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in
    the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask:  what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?


    They sometime come out twisted.

    Oh, the humanity!

    I untwist them and put them right back on the bed.

    Tut, Tut!
    You don't even iron them first?
    What kind of housewife are you?
    :-)

    I do that after I iron my socks. I do all the left socks, then all the
    right socks.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 23 17:59:12 2024
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:41:49 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-23, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
    In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9....@fx12.iad>,
    hami...@invalid.com says...

    what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?

    Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".

    I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
    line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
    folding.

    Cindy Hamilton

    True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away with minimal effort while in the yard. I do highly appreciate my dryer, but coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
    just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.

    I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person. Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
    pattern each time I change them.

    It prolongs their life only in the sense that, say, four sets of sheets
    will last four times longer than one set of sheets. I buy sheets four
    times as often, but the same number of sheets.

    I don't care about the pattern. My eyes are closed while I'm using
    them. My sheets are plain white.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Johnnie Moxley on Tue Jan 23 14:30:44 2024
    Johnnie Moxley wrote:
    songbird wrote:
    the same with blankets or other bedding. ironing is
    completely not required and if someone would judge me
    based upon that they can take it all and stuff it up their
    bums or arses.
    ...
    Is that how mom feels about it too?

    she does her own sleeping arrangements more in the
    traditional way. she doesn't do mine.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Tue Jan 23 14:35:28 2024
    bruce bowser wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:41:49 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-23, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
    In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9....@fx12.iad>,
    hami...@invalid.com says...

    what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.

    Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
    inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
    dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?

    Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".

    I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
    line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
    folding.

    Cindy Hamilton

    True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
    dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away >> with minimal effort while in the yard.

    Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.

    and bird droppings, bugs, etc...


    I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
    coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
    just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.

    I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
    eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person. >> Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
    pattern each time I change them.

    Though they shrink, clothes dried in the drier never have the smells. Unless they are clothes from some people in here where the fentanyl can never ever be washed out (even if boiled for a whole day with detergent and Shout in one of those big US
    government military cooking pots like Sheldon and Carol always talk about).

    we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
    detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
    can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.

    Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
    room when Mom gets it out.

    with the amount of laundry Mom does for her quilting we get
    a lot of fabrics that others have washed and treate and that
    stuff stays in the garage until Mom can wash it all again. in
    some cases whatever stinky stuff they've used it cannot be
    washed out and Mom will complain about it and even a few times
    she'll pass it along to someone else because she can't cope
    with it either.


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 06:53:09 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    bruce bowser wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take >>> dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away >>> with minimal effort while in the yard.

    Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.

    and bird droppings, bugs, etc...

    Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
    wood or garden waste.

    I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
    coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
    just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.

    I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed >>> eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
    Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
    pattern each time I change them.

    Though they shrink, clothes dried in the drier never have the smells. Unless they are clothes from some people in here where the fentanyl can never ever be washed out (even if boiled for a whole day with detergent and Shout in one of those big US
    government military cooking pots like Sheldon and Carol always talk about).

    we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
    detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
    can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.

    Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
    room when Mom gets it out.

    You remind me of the boy in the bubble in Northern Exposure.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Jan 23 14:50:54 2024
    On 2024-01-23 12:59 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
    eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person. >> Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
    pattern each time I change them.

    It prolongs their life only in the sense that, say, four sets of sheets
    will last four times longer than one set of sheets. I buy sheets four
    times as often, but the same number of sheets.

    I don't care about the pattern. My eyes are closed while I'm using
    them. My sheets are plain white.


    I buy different colour sheet sets but not patterns. They get washed
    weekly... on Tuesdays. I figure that the biggest factor in the life of
    bed linens is laundering, especially drying. Alternating two sets of
    sheets is going to double their life, but that would be their age, not
    the number of times they are slept on.
    Bedding is one item that is generally worth spending more money on for
    longer life. In the past I thought I got some great deals on sheets the
    fitted sheet started to tear open in less than a year, and by that time
    they had already stated pilling. ... I think that is the word for them
    when they get hard little balls of lint that make them very
    uncomfortable. We are currently working on two sets of more expensive
    and higher quality sheets that we have had for about 4 years and both
    still look and feel great.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 23 14:37:29 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    I do that after I iron my socks. I do all the left socks, then all the
    right socks.

    some people even tie them together when wearing them.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jan 23 21:57:46 2024
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
    detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
    can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.

    Arm & Hammer "Sensitive Skin" laundry detergent. Unscented.
    My husband likes his clothes softened. Downy "free & gentle".
    Unscented.

    Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
    room when Mom gets it out.

    Shout stinks. I prefer Carbona Stain Devils.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 23 22:38:20 2024
    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    They sometime come out twisted. I have a simple solution though. My cleaning lady folds them. She put together the fitted sheet, top sheet, pillow cases, then puts the bundle in the linen closet.


    My wife has a few talents, unknown to me when I married her. She was a candy-striper in high school and is amazing at folding bedding. When she
    folds a fitted sheet, it looks nearly the same as the flat one.
    She's also a crackerjack on a sewing machine for a different reason and
    has a little art in her soul.
    All these qualities were unknown to me when I said, "I do".

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  • From Sqwertz@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 23 16:49:13 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:08:13 -0800 (PST),
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Today is the first day we've been above freezing in a week!! We've
    reached the welcoming temperature of 44°F/6°C!!!! Although mine
    and everybody else's yards are still covered in lots of snow, the
    street is now quite drivable. Very sunny, too.


    You ever seen so many limp dicks in one pot outside of RFC?

    https://i.postimg.cc/85SJZT27/Limp-Dick-Cactus.jpg

    Not to worry, though. At the end of August they'll have a job and
    a couple shots of Alprostadil! Yum!

    -jh

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 23 22:19:47 2024
    On 2024-01-22, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for Tuesday.


    I just saw on TV where your side streets are an icy, dangerous mess.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Tue Jan 23 17:53:45 2024
    bruce bowser wrote:
    ...
    "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."

    Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
    -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency

    that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Jan 23 17:35:53 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    bruce bowser wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take >>>> dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
    with minimal effort while in the yard.

    Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.

    and bird droppings, bugs, etc...

    Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
    wood or garden waste.

    we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
    here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
    sort of thing they can perch on they will.
    doodoohappens...

    it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
    of creatures laying around from the more voracious
    feeders. the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
    culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
    we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
    Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
    shelter fast enough. we also have the geese and ducks
    that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
    of quoties there).

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
    coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
    just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.

    I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed >>>> eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
    Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
    pattern each time I change them.

    Though they shrink, clothes dried in the drier never have the smells. Unless they are clothes from some people in here where the fentanyl can never ever be washed out (even if boiled for a whole day with detergent and Shout in one of those big US
    government military cooking pots like Sheldon and Carol always talk about).

    we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
    detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
    can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.

    Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
    room when Mom gets it out.

    You remind me of the boy in the bubble in Northern Exposure.

    there's also a bubbly boy in Seinfeld. funny episode.


    songbird (it was the Moops!

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jan 23 17:49:19 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    Bedding is one item that is generally worth spending more money on for
    longer life. In the past I thought I got some great deals on sheets the fitted sheet started to tear open in less than a year, and by that time
    they had already stated pilling. ... I think that is the word for them
    when they get hard little balls of lint that make them very
    uncomfortable.

    hahaha! i wouldn't even notice those. i sleep rough.
    i'm used to textures and bumps. about the only thing that
    will bother me is a spider walking across my skin or hair
    (if i can feel it - otherwise it doesn't count :) - p.s. i
    happen to like spiders...)


    We are currently working on two sets of more expensive
    and higher quality sheets that we have had for about 4 years and both
    still look and feel great.

    i don't want my stuff to slide. i have a nice big futon
    here and it is often got piles of things on it i'm working
    on (some people have a desk and sit, i have a futon and
    sprawl :) ). i may sleep for weeks with a project sitting
    right next to me. also there's no headboard or footboard
    so i don't want my pillows going off the end or i don't
    want my feet hitting on something (they hang over and act
    as radiators most of the time). i sometimes might move in
    my sleep but almost never do i knock anything off and i
    may even end up with my feet off the side of the bed but
    it seems i don't move my head in the direction where i
    pile things so i must have trained myself over the years
    to not move there there......

    don't tell me i'm strange, i already know it. :)


    songbird

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 10:23:52 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 17:35:53 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    and bird droppings, bugs, etc...

    Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
    wood or garden waste.

    we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
    here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
    sort of thing they can perch on they will.
    doodoohappens...

    We have lots of birds but they have nicer spots to perch on,
    apparently.

    it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
    of creatures laying around from the more voracious
    feeders. the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
    culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
    we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
    Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
    shelter fast enough. we also have the geese and ducks
    that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
    of quoties there).

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...

    And animals don't have a choice. Fact remains that we don't get bird
    droppings on our laundry, in spite of having all kinds of birds here.
    We do have an aggressive Muscovy duck that poops all over the place,
    but only at ground level.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Jan 23 18:29:17 2024
    On 2024-01-23 5:19 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-22, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures >> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
    Tuesday.


    I just saw on TV where your side streets are an icy, dangerous mess.

    Weather was weird here today. Last week we had single digit temperatures
    but today it was up around freezing. We had snow and that turned to rain
    today. Now they are talking about freezing rain overnight.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Wed Jan 24 19:13:13 2024
    On 23 Jan 2024 22:38:20 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    They sometime come out twisted. I have a simple solution though. My
    cleaning lady folds them. She put together the fitted sheet, top sheet,
    pillow cases, then puts the bundle in the linen closet.


    My wife has a few talents, unknown to me when I married her. She was a >candy-striper in high school

    I misread that and saw an extra p.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jan 24 10:34:39 2024
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
    here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
    sort of thing they can perch on they will.
    doodoohappens...

    it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
    of creatures laying around from the more voracious
    feeders.

    In our yard, it's mostly what the hawks leave, which is a flurry
    of feathers and not much else.

    For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
    leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
    time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
    shove off. Works on skunks, too.

    the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
    culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
    we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
    Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
    shelter fast enough.

    That's why we have a feeder on the ground; in the hopes of
    attracting hawks to the mourning doves. The presence of
    rabbits is a pleasant side effect.

    we also have the geese and ducks
    that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
    of quoties there).

    Blue jays are the worst. Their droppings are wildly out of
    proportion to their size. I know it's not the ducks perching
    on the birdbath and fouling the water.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jan 24 23:11:07 2024
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Jan 24 16:15:04 2024
    On 2024-01-24 4:11 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!

    You actually watch Fox News?

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jan 24 23:18:05 2024
    On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
    leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
    time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
    shove off. Works on skunks, too.


    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Thu Jan 25 10:30:31 2024
    On 24 Jan 2024 23:11:07 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!

    Is Greg Gutfeld the German shock jock you once spoke of so fondly?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 25 10:34:06 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:15:04 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 4:11 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!

    You actually watch Fox News?

    Other stations deal with facts a lot and Leo's fact intolerant.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Jan 24 19:34:48 2024
    On 1/24/2024 6:11 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!


    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 24 18:47:49 2024
    On 2024-01-24 5:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 6:11 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

       nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!


    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

    That's because you have a measurable IQ.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 24 21:46:51 2024
    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Laguna Material on Wed Jan 24 21:38:25 2024
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:


    Line dried sheets are easy to fold over while on the line. Dryer dried must be held with stretched hands until done.
    I fear bug infestation outside more than birds. In hot weather I'll put wet towels outside. Most partially dried ( with softner sheet) stuff like towels, pants and shirts are hung on the shower curtain bar. Some with wire hangers. A big item may get
    draped over the indoor stationary bike.

    snip

    The sensor does not account for thick bands of material that take longer to dry. I check periodically and remove dry stuff and examine thick stuff for moisture.


    One sheet leaves little wiggle room for laundry schedule. If I want to wait a week to wash the removed sheet I can, and did so today. I got 4 shirts hanging on my curtain rod now. The have fewer wrinkles when hung up partially dry. And a pair of jeans
    on the bike handles.


    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling. Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month. I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jan 24 22:13:31 2024
    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8 >>> to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

    Natural gas-- methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Thu Jan 25 14:05:11 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 14:21:05 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:13:31 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and >>>> push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8 >>>> to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging >>>> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

    Natural gas-- methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

    Youse have a device that dries clothes and that runs partially on
    methane gas and partially on electricity?

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jan 24 23:48:47 2024
    On 1/24/2024 10:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:13:31 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and >>>>> push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8 >>>>> to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging >>>>> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

    Natural gas-- methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

    Youse have a device that dries clothes and that runs partially on
    methane gas and partially on electricity?


    Sure, gas provides the heat. Electricity is for the motor turning the
    drum and the fan that moves air to the vent. Others are all electric
    and use resistance heating elements.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Jan 24 23:54:43 2024
    On 2024-01-24 8:47 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-24 5:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 6:11 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

       nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
    on the same scale of degeneracy...


    <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

    For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
    your hair will catch on fire.
    I just love this intro!


    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

    That's because you have a measurable IQ.


    The first time I watched Fox news was in Colorado back in 2002 and I
    was struck by the BS they were spewing. The worst was Bill O'Reilly.
    That network is so screwed up and factually bankrupt that they could not
    even report honestly about their own application for a broadcasting
    license. They were told that if they were going to broadcast in Canada
    they would have to have to abide by Canadian content regulations. They
    didn't want to do that They reported a bullshit story about how they
    were being censored by being denied a license. They were not denied a
    license. They had withdrawn their application. They had blatantly lied,
    just like they had with many other stories. They proved that they had no credibility.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 16:33:59 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 23:48:47 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/24/2024 10:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:13:31 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and >>>>>> push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging >>>>>> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens >>>>> last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very >>>>> little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

    Natural gas-- methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

    Youse have a device that dries clothes and that runs partially on
    methane gas and partially on electricity?


    Sure, gas provides the heat. Electricity is for the motor turning the
    drum and the fan that moves air to the vent. Others are all electric
    and use resistance heating elements.

    Ok, sounds complicated.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 24 23:59:18 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in
    the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking,
    grilling.  Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around
    and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing
    and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say
    there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call
    everything gas?

    Natural gas--  methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

    Master bruce should be thoroughly educated on the wonders of
    methane.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 25 10:44:13 2024
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
    leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
    time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
    shove off. Works on skunks, too.


    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jan 25 10:45:24 2024
    On 2024-01-25, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:13:31 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/24/2024 10:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:46:51 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24 9:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:



    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and >>>>> push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8 >>>>> to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging >>>>> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    My brother and SiL have a gas dryer and say that clothing and linens
    last a lot longer than when they had electric. They say there is very
    little ling to deal with.

    You have a drier that runs on petrol? Or do youse call everything gas?

    Natural gas-- methane
    Electric turns the drum and blower though.

    Youse have a device that dries clothes and that runs partially on
    methane gas and partially on electricity?

    In fact, I have three. The dryer, the furnace, and the water heater.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 10:50:36 2024
    On 2024-01-25 10:35 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    A skunk is near the top of the list of animals I do my best to avoid. I
    know a couple people who have been sprayed by them and it is a real
    hassle to get rid of the smell. One guy had come home late one night
    and went around to the back yard to go in the back door. He stepped
    around the corner and got sprayed. Some of it got him in the face and
    most of it hit is suede jacket. The jacket was a write off. It looked
    like someone had thrown bleach in it.

    At the time my family lived on the edge of town and across the street
    from the Niagara escarpment. Skunks lived in the woods along the
    escarpment and wandered down to our neighbourhood to forage for food.
    If you were out walking one night you were pretty well guaranteed to run
    into a skunk. That was a problem for me as a teen without wheels and
    coming back from work or socializing.

    We once adopted an elderly English Spaniel who turned out to have a lot
    of negative qualities. The one thing I never forgave him for was rolling
    in a dead skunk.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 25 10:35:20 2024
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 11:30:50 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them. we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night. i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 16:26:31 2024
    On 2024-01-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    It would have to be infrared. The stinky weasels are generally
    out at night.

    We have a game camera with infrared, but we don't deploy it every
    night.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jan 25 10:15:55 2024
    On 2024-01-25 16:30:50 +0000, songbird said:

    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them. we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night. i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.


    songbird

    Hissing at 'em seems rather harmless...but they should have to eat it
    if they kill it. I see them often just before daylight and they are
    rather fun to watch. I hope the skunk gasses the dude that gasses them.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to bob on Thu Jan 25 13:07:13 2024
    On 2024-01-25 12:15 p.m., bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 16:30:50 +0000, songbird said:

    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the >>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

      it's sad that people do that to them.  we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs).  hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.  i do smell
    them.  they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs.  harmless.


      songbird

    Hissing at 'em seems rather harmless...but they should have to eat it if
    they kill it.  I see them often just before daylight and they are rather
    fun to watch.  I hope the skunk gasses the dude that gasses them.

    It may seem harmless enough to you. The skunks may feel otherwise. One
    of them sprayed my brother while he was walking through the woods to
    school and another got my friend when we walked into their backyard late
    at night. There was no provocation on their part, but the skunks
    apparently felt threatened enough to spray.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jan 25 11:47:32 2024
    On 2024-01-25 18:07:13 +0000, Dave Smith said:

    On 2024-01-25 12:15 p.m., bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 16:30:50 +0000, songbird said:

    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the >>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

      it's sad that people do that to them.  we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs).  hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.  i do smell
    them.  they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs.  harmless.


      songbird

    Hissing at 'em seems rather harmless...but they should have to eat it
    if they kill it.  I see them often just before daylight and they are
    rather fun to watch.  I hope the skunk gasses the dude that gasses them.

    It may seem harmless enough to you. The skunks may feel otherwise. One
    of them sprayed my brother while he was walking through the woods to
    school and another got my friend when we walked into their backyard
    late at night. There was no provocation on their part, but the skunks apparently felt threatened enough to spray.

    Yes. You should stay out of their back yard.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jan 25 18:32:59 2024
    On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them.

    C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
    no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
    "I don't have to put up with this crap".

    we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.

    My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
    15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
    I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.

    i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 25 12:08:24 2024
    On 2024-01-25 3:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
    leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
    time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
    shove off. Works on skunks, too.


    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

    My ex had a skunk take up residence in her back yard and wanted to get
    rid of it. My sons pleaded with her to get a professional in to deal
    with it. However, she has a negative attitude to taking advice or
    instruction from men, including her own sons, so she got sprayed!

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Thu Jan 25 15:49:17 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:50:36 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-25 10:35 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    A skunk is near the top of the list of animals I do my best to avoid. I
    know a couple people who have been sprayed by them and it is a real
    hassle to get rid of the smell. One guy had come home late one night
    and went around to the back yard to go in the back door. He stepped
    around the corner and got sprayed. Some of it got him in the face and
    most of it hit is suede jacket. The jacket was a write off. It looked
    like someone had thrown bleach in it.

    At the time my family lived on the edge of town and across the street
    from the Niagara escarpment. Skunks lived in the woods along the
    escarpment and wandered down to our neighbourhood to forage for food.
    If you were out walking one night you were pretty well guaranteed to run
    into a skunk. That was a problem for me as a teen without wheels and
    coming back from work or socializing.

    We once adopted an elderly English Spaniel who turned out to have a lot
    of negative qualities. The one thing I never forgave him for was rolling
    in a dead skunk.

    Best thing for alleviating skunk smell is tomato juice.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 25 14:33:22 2024
    On 2024-01-25 2:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 3:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

    My ex had a skunk take up residence in her back yard and wanted to get
    rid of it. My sons pleaded with her to get a professional in to deal
    with it. However, she has a negative attitude to taking advice or
    instruction from men, including her own sons, so she got sprayed!


    Some women are reluctant to take advice from men because they assume
    they are being taken advantage of. My wife has a friend like that. She
    had a problem with her car and asked me to recommend a mechanic. I sent
    her to the guy I take my cars to and who I always found to be honest and reliable. That turned out to be a mistake because a few days later she
    was complaining to me that he had ripped her off and sold her a bad
    battery. She wanted me to go and talk to the guy.

    His story was that the old battery was dead and that the alternator
    was shot. That made good sense because those two things often go
    together. He told her that she needed a new alternator but she thought
    he was trying to take advantage of a woman. Needless to say, driving
    around without a working alternator the new battery died. She took it
    back and got an alternator and everything was fine after that.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 25 20:03:34 2024
    On 25/01/2024 18:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    (re: skunks)eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    And they spread poison ivy.
    They eat the pretty red berries, then poop out the seeds in my garden.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jan 25 13:17:28 2024
    On 2024-01-25 12:33 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 2:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 3:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

    My ex had a skunk take up residence in her back yard and wanted to get
    rid of it. My sons pleaded with her to get a professional in to deal
    with it. However, she has a negative attitude to taking advice or
    instruction from men, including her own sons, so she got sprayed!


    Some women are reluctant to take advice from men because they assume
    they are being taken advantage of.

    My ex. in a misandrist mood, persuaded my d-i-l to have something done
    to her car and she got ripped off as a result. My son was incensed as
    the car didn't need that. BTW he is highly competent when it comes to
    car maintenance and repair.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jan 26 09:24:34 2024
    On 25 Jan 2024 22:22:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-24, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    You actually watch Fox News?


    Consistently. Nevertheless, you're a great woodworker.

    Maybe he'd also do a good job on your brain.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 22:36:52 2024
    On 2024-01-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.


    Really? So you totally missed the darkness of the animal world in the
    intro? O.K., to each, their own.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 25 22:39:47 2024
    On 2024-01-25, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-01-24 5:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:

    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

    That's because you have a measurable IQ.


    Nevertheless, you're still a good woodworker. ;)

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 25 22:58:03 2024
    On 2024-01-25, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.


    Skunks exude a powerful presence, enjoyable by people up to a half-mile
    or more away.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jan 25 23:02:08 2024
    On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    it's sad that people do that to them. we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night. i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.


    I had a spotted skunk do a headstand for me once. I got the hell out of
    there.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 25 22:22:58 2024
    On 2024-01-24, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    You actually watch Fox News?


    Consistently. Nevertheless, you're a great woodworker.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jan 25 18:26:44 2024
    On 1/23/2024 5:53 PM, songbird wrote:
    bruce bowser wrote:
    ...
    "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."

    Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
    -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency

    that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.


    songbird

    Where the heck is "Western Ilini"? That article link is from 2018.
    Bowser is great at digging up old irrelevant stuff.


    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 25 18:34:45 2024
    On 1/24/2024 9:38 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:

    Line dried sheets are easy to fold over while on the line. Dryer dried
    must be held with stretched hands until done.
    I fear bug infestation outside more than birds. In hot weather I'll
    put wet towels outside. Most partially dried ( with softner sheet)
    stuff like towels, pants and shirts are hung on the shower curtain
    bar. Some with wire hangers. A big item may get draped over the indoor
    stationary bike.

    snip

    The sensor does not account for thick bands of material that take
    longer to dry. I check periodically and remove dry stuff and examine
    thick stuff for moisture.

    What sensor? On a clothesline? Get real.

    One sheet leaves little  wiggle room for laundry schedule. If I want
    to wait a week to wash the removed sheet I can, and did so today. I
    got 4 shirts hanging on my curtain rod now. The have fewer wrinkles
    when hung up partially dry. And a pair of jeans on the bike handles.


    Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
    push the Start button.

    I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8
    to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
    all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

    Laguna obviously lives in some other country where there are bug
    infestations and hanging clothes on racks around the house seem to
    somehow fend them off. Hanging clothes on the stationary bicycle
    handles... everyone aspires to that.

    How about just buy a dryer?

    Jill

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Thu Jan 25 16:59:53 2024
    On 2024-01-25 20:03:34 +0000, S Viemeister said:

    On 25/01/2024 18:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    (re: skunks)eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    And they spread poison ivy.
    They eat the pretty red berries, then poop out the seeds in my garden.

    They like to carry around rabies as well. A arge part of their
    population are carriers.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 25 20:47:32 2024
    On 1/25/2024 5:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.


    Really? So you totally missed the darkness of the animal world in the
    intro? O.K., to each, their own.

    Yes, but then it went down hill rapidly.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Jan 25 19:21:51 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 5:53 PM, songbird wrote:
    bruce bowser wrote:
    ...
    "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the
    timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses
    laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will
    also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."

    Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
    --
    https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency

       that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.


       songbird

    Where the heck is "Western Ilini"? That article link is from
    2018. Bowser is great at digging up old irrelevant stuff.


    Jill

    And why hasn't your royal highness banned his sorry ass?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Fri Jan 26 08:21:36 2024
    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 25/01/2024 18:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    (re: skunks)eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    And they spread poison ivy.
    They eat the pretty red berries, then poop out the seeds in my garden.

    birds do that too. are you going to kill all the
    birds?


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 26 08:45:40 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    ...
    I've seen some combo washer/dryers being sold in the US. You can wash your clothes without loading up a dryer. The Brits like to wash their clothes in the kitchen so it's quite handy to have a single machine for that job. Some of them use a heat pump
    instead of gas or heating elements. That's a good idea. The good news is that these heat pump dryers are more efficient than regular dryers. They can run on plain old 120 volts and there's no freaking venting of hot air. How beautiful is that? Very.

    the moisture laden air has to go somewhere. venting it into
    the house is not a great thing to do sometimes (in the middle
    of winter it's not so bad, but in the humid summer months i
    sure would not want to have it in the house instead of going
    outside).


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jan 26 08:26:43 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the >>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them.

    C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
    no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
    "I don't have to put up with this crap".

    my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
    live trap.


    we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.

    My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
    15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
    I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.

    i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
    things is usually worse than just paving it over.


    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    OMG *rolls eyes*


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jan 26 09:15:31 2024
    On 2024-01-25 5:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-25, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.


    Skunks exude a powerful presence, enjoyable by people up to a half-mile
    or more away.
    I have lived here for 45 years and there was only one night when I
    smelled a skunk. The next day there was skunk road kill about a half
    mile down the road. Ever since cannabis was legalized and a bunch of
    legal grow ops opened up I occasionally smell something skunky in the
    air and it is the odor of the pot farms.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jan 26 10:00:22 2024
    On 1/26/2024 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
    dsi1 wrote:
    ...
    I've seen some combo washer/dryers being sold in the US. You can wash your clothes without loading up a dryer. The Brits like to wash their clothes in the kitchen so it's quite handy to have a single machine for that job. Some of them use a heat pump
    instead of gas or heating elements. That's a good idea. The good news is that these heat pump dryers are more efficient than regular dryers. They can run on plain old 120 volts and there's no freaking venting of hot air. How beautiful is that? Very.

    the moisture laden air has to go somewhere. venting it into
    the house is not a great thing to do sometimes (in the middle
    of winter it's not so bad, but in the humid summer months i
    sure would not want to have it in the house instead of going
    outside).


    songbird

    Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

    Jill

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jan 26 08:17:01 2024
    On 2024-01-26 13:26:43 +0000, songbird said:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the >>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them.

    C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
    no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
    "I don't have to put up with this crap".

    my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
    live trap.


    we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.

    My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
    15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
    I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.

    i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
    things is usually worse than just paving it over.


    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    OMG *rolls eyes*


    songbird

    LOL. Her trapper bubba will also need to go to work full time to make
    even a small dent in the skunk population. Besides it isn't all that
    smart to mess around with a live skunk.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to bob on Fri Jan 26 15:53:09 2024
    On 2024-01-26, bob wrote:

    Besides it isn't all that smart to mess around with a live skunk.

    The last time I got really close to one was walking my dog
    at night and I thought I saw an albino ostrich plume waving
    in the breeze.

    Since there are not many wild ostriches in Quebec,
    (and even less albinoes), I went closer to investigate.

    I was close enough to pluck it out of the ground
    before I realized that it was a baby skunk.

    Lucky for me, babies cannot spray.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jan 26 16:56:37 2024
    On 2024-01-26, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the >>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    Please post a video of that.

    it's sad that people do that to them.

    C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
    no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
    "I don't have to put up with this crap".

    my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
    live trap.

    There are always more skunks. I just can't worry about them.


    we don't normally
    see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
    of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
    mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
    are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.

    My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
    15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
    I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.

    i do smell
    them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
    eat worms and slugs. harmless.

    They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
    want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
    a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
    another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

    no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
    things is usually worse than just paving it over.

    I can't always look where I'm walking. Sometimes I'm looking
    at where I'm going.


    They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    OMG *rolls eyes*

    Causing me to run the air-conditioning when the weather outside
    is 50 F.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jan 26 12:50:17 2024
    On 2024-01-26 11:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
    live trap.

    There are always more skunks. I just can't worry about them.


    After having lived in an area that was rife with skunks I am very happy
    about their almost complete absence where I live now. I don't think
    they are much a problem in Toronto. Perhaps they have been crowded out
    by the racoons there. Toronto has become known as the racoon capital of
    the world. They even designed racoon proof trash cans, but it didn't
    take long for the racoons to figure them out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Peuy0FE4X8&ab_channel=TerraMater

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Jan 26 17:28:33 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

    Jill

    I heard that every time you fart you blow your shoes off.

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jan 26 17:33:11 2024
    songbird wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    They <skunks> stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

    OMG *rolls eyes*


    songbird


    Smells like weed.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Johnnie Moxley on Fri Jan 26 16:38:40 2024
    Johnnie Moxley wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:
    Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

    Jill

    I heard that every time you fart you blow your shoes off.

    Man, wait till the old gal queefs!

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 26 22:38:22 2024
    On 2024-01-26, dsi1 wrote:

    It's a closed system. It recycles the hot air.
    You need a small tube to get rid of the water.

    You are both half-right. In the summer, vent to outside.
    In winter, run through dehumidifier in HVAC. Liquifying
    water creates more heat than the power used, like the 'Gain'
    in winter heat pumps.

    Yes about the tube, but your system should have one already.

    I just run my basement de-humidifier on top of the drain
    with a neat clear plastic tube to see water trickling out.

    Any extra heat given off convects or conducts into the house.

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jan 26 17:45:54 2024
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    Johnnie Moxley wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:
    Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

    Jill
    ;
    I heard that every time you fart you blow your shoes off.

    Man, wait till the old gal queefs!


    Dust storm.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Johnnie Moxley on Fri Jan 26 17:33:10 2024
    Johnnie Moxley wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    Johnnie Moxley wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:
    Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

    Jill
    ;
    I heard that every time you fart you blow your shoes off.

    Man, wait till the old gal queefs!


    Dust storm.

    Tucson, in the summer.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Fri Jan 26 23:35:16 2024
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Jan 26 16:50:36 2024
    On 2024-01-26 4:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.

    Singing at the top of his voice, no doubt:-)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Jan 26 22:53:55 2024
    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.


    My SiL had a problem with feral cars so she contacted the Humane
    Society. They brought some live traps and caught a number of cats that
    they took back to the pound with the hope they would be adopted. The
    trap was not discriminating and one day it caught a skunk. They did not
    want to deal with it and said she had to deal with it. She finally got
    them to act on it by insisting it was their trap, not hers.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Jan 27 15:03:37 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 22:53:55 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.


    My SiL had a problem with feral cars so she contacted the Humane
    Society.

    If there's one thing I hate it's feral cars! The noise!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jan 26 21:02:26 2024
    On 2024-01-26 8:53 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.


    My SiL had a problem with feral cars

    We're on a roll with singing racoons and feral cars:-)

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jan 27 04:12:02 2024
    On 2024-01-27, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-26 8:53 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:

    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.
    This one scrambled away in a gallop.

    My SiL had a problem with feral cars

    We're on a roll with singing racoons and feral cars:-)

    OK, maybe I should have said 'canter'. So,
    I looked it up and now believe I really should
    say 'trot'. The point is, I did not think them
    capable of anything that fast.

    He gave me a little warning growl when I made ready
    to release him. (Put on leather gloves.)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jan 26 23:34:29 2024
    On 2024-01-26 11:02 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-26 8:53 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-26, bruce bowser wrote:

    Live traps are good because the whole trap can then
    be placed in water until the nuisance animal drowns.

    Also if you want to trap a groundhog but you catch a
    racoon you can let it go. I'd seen racoons dozens of
    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.

    This one scrambled away in a gallop.


    My SiL had a problem with feral cars

    We're on a roll with singing racoons and feral cars:-)

    oops... typo... feral cats

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Sat Jan 27 09:57:21 2024
    On 1/26/2024 11:12 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2024-01-27, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-26 8:53 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-26 6:35 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:

    times, but never one faster than a brisk cantor.
    This one scrambled away in a gallop.

    My SiL had a problem with feral cars

    We're on a roll with singing racoons and feral cars:-)

    OK, maybe I should have said 'canter'. So,
    I looked it up and now believe I really should
    say 'trot'. The point is, I did not think them
    capable of anything that fast.

    He gave me a little warning growl when I made ready
    to release him. (Put on leather gloves.)

    Raccoons can run at a pretty brisk clip when they are motivated :)

    Jill

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  • From Johnnie Moxley@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Jan 27 11:01:47 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    coons can run at a pretty brisk clip when they are motivated :)

    Jill

    Especially after holding up the convenience store.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jan 27 21:26:04 2024
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-23 12:49 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    When I was a kid my mother would hang out laundry when it was 30° and
    the stuff would freeze dry. I was a kid, but I thought it was
    incredibly stupid
    because she had a clothes dryer but scared to death it would increase the
    electric bill by a dollar. How I hated those sandpaper towels. GRRRRRRRR

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric. Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes dryer.
    Cut back on the detergent a bit, also. I read this in a "Hints From
    Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jan 27 23:06:25 2024
    On 1/27/2024 9:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-23 12:49 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    When I was a kid my mother would hang out laundry when it was 30° and
    the stuff would freeze dry. I was a kid, but I thought it was
    incredibly stupid
    because she had a clothes dryer but scared to death it would increase
    the
    electric bill by a dollar. How I hated those sandpaper towels. GRRRRRRRR

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes dryer.
     Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.


    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

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  • From Ed Pawlowski@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sat Jan 27 23:56:51 2024
    On 1/27/2024 11:53 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Good point. Probably not an issue here but in cold climates sure would.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 10:29:13 2024
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Static cling! The horror!

    I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
    clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
    off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Jan 28 10:10:14 2024
    On 1/27/2024 11:06 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 9:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.   Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener.  You can add vinegar there.  I've been meaning to try it.  Next load will get it.

    My old washing machine has a dispenser for fabric softener but I've
    never used it. I don't use those fabric dryer sheet things, either. I
    also don't add a ton of detergent or overload the washing machine.
    Select the correct water level for the size of the load. Everything
    gets a nice clean rinse. There are some cotton and linen blouses I hang
    to dry on clothes hangers on the curtain rod in the bathroom. Vinegar
    has a lot of uses but adding it to the rinse cycle of my washing machine
    won't be one of them.

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 10:27:12 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
    and hang things.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sun Jan 28 10:26:05 2024
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric. Using an automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes dryer.
    Cut back on the detergent a bit, also. I read this in a "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

    a lot of people use way too much detergent and
    won't change their habits.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sun Jan 28 11:17:40 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    ...
    to dry on clothes hangers on the curtain rod in the bathroom. Vinegar
    has a lot of uses but adding it to the rinse cycle of my washing machine won't be one of them.

    if you have decent water quality it may not matter
    but for us it helps get rid of calcium and rust buildup
    on clothes/towels.

    when i lived in eastern TN, the water was so good i
    didn't even have to clean the shower and the clothes
    always came out nice. up here, nope, rust and calcium
    in the water.


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Jan 28 12:23:57 2024
    On 2024-01-28 11:17 a.m., songbird wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    if you have decent water quality it may not matter
    but for us it helps get rid of calcium and rust buildup
    on clothes/towels.

    when i lived in eastern TN, the water was so good i
    didn't even have to clean the shower and the clothes
    always came out nice. up here, nope, rust and calcium
    in the water.


    The water in my well is quite hard. I got a new glass kettle last week
    and there is already a layer of mineral deposit on the bottom of it.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 11:07:15 2024
    On 2024-01-28 9:27 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Static cling! The horror!

    I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
    clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
    off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public.

    You take your clothes off in public? Please post photos:-)

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 18:11:19 2024
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Static cling! The horror!

    I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
    clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
    off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
    that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
    annoyance I don't want to deal with.

    Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
    Cotton is your friend.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Jan 29 07:37:03 2024
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:30:30 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote:

    The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to
    babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.

    You babysit your dryer and for hours no less????

    Depending on what I'm drying is how long it takes, but a timer is set to go off
    about 10 minutes or so before being finished.

    By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.

    I have no wrinkling as I don't let items lay in the dryer after finishing. Start
    removing one or two items and hang or fold as the dryer is still tumbling.

    I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
    week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
    sometimes repeated itself.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Jan 29 07:49:44 2024
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:42:39 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:

    I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
    week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
    sometimes repeated itself.

    https://i.postimg.cc/0NGvVVX4/Thinking.gif

    lol

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Laguna Material on Sun Jan 28 15:53:23 2024
    On 1/28/2024 1:58 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:29:58 AM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:49 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:

    itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add >>>>> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
    and hang things.

    songbird

    Good grief no, just no. I don't want my house draped in damp things
    drying all day or overnight. A house that looks like it's been closed
    for the winter draped in cloth and clothes like you see in old horror
    movies is not the look I want to achieve.

    The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
    By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.

    11 months of the years I pay to run the AC to keep humidity low. The
    dryer vent pushes it outside for me.
    Babysit a dryer? Push the button. Come back when you decide to get the
    stuff out. Sometimes it is the next day or two.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 20:53:37 2024
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
    trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
    that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
    annoyance I don't want to deal with.

    Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
    Cotton is your friend.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels and sheets.

    Polyester? Silk? Wool?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Sun Jan 28 16:51:46 2024
    On 1/28/2024 3:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
    trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
    that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
    annoyance I don't want to deal with.

    Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
    Cotton is your friend.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels and sheets.

    Different strokes. Cotton is one of the the most comfortable,
    breathable fabrics for clothes. No static cling, either.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Mon Jan 29 11:39:25 2024
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:25:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add >> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.

    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Static cling! The horror!

    I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
    clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
    off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
    trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
    that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
    annoyance I don't want to deal with.

    It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO

    The first time I called a shirt of mine a blouse, my wife started
    laughing. In Australian English, only women wear blouses and they have
    frills or decorations that a shirt doesn't have.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Mon Jan 29 12:18:18 2024
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:49:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:25:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> >> >
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:

    Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
    vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it. >> >> > >>
    Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

    Static cling! The horror!

    I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
    clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
    off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.

    Cindy Hamilton

    Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
    be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
    trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
    that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
    annoyance I don't want to deal with.

    It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO
    The first time I called a shirt of mine a blouse, my wife started
    laughing. In Australian English, only women wear blouses and they have
    frills or decorations that a shirt doesn't have.

    If your wife was American, she'd think it was pretty funny too.

    Yes. In Dutch, a 'bloes' can be for men or for women.

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Jan 29 06:50:40 2024
    On 2024-01-28 20:37:03 +0000, Bruce said:

    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:30:30 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net" <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote: >>>
    The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to >>> babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.

    You babysit your dryer and for hours no less????

    Depending on what I'm drying is how long it takes, but a timer is set to go off
    about 10 minutes or so before being finished.

    By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.

    I have no wrinkling as I don't let items lay in the dryer after
    finishing. Start
    removing one or two items and hang or fold as the dryer is still tumbling.

    I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
    week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process sometimes repeated itself.

    Environmentally very wasteful sir. I did my part on reducing methane
    gas yesterday. Had a nice big T-bone steak.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Jan 29 09:05:37 2024
    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels >>> and sheets.

    Polyester? Silk? Wool?

    Cindy Hamilton

    I like T shirts with a bit of polyester in the blend of the material. It prevents
    shrinkage plus shirts don't look wrinkly when coming out of the dryer. Silk is
    ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon. Linen is very nice, but it's terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    The great thing about linen is everyone expects it to be wrinkled. :)
    In the deep south no one looks askance at a wrinkled cotton or linen
    garment.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Mon Jan 29 10:06:18 2024
    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels >>> and sheets.

    Polyester? Silk? Wool?

    Cindy Hamilton

    I like T shirts with a bit of polyester in the blend of the material. It prevents
    shrinkage plus shirts don't look wrinkly when coming out of the dryer. Silk is
    ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon. Linen is very nice, but it's terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    Everything I wear has mostly cotton. Just looked at a couple of my
    shirts, they are 60% cotton.

    Life was tough back in the 70s when much of the modest price slacks were
    100% polyester. Horrid stuff I'd not wear. Seems that was the heyday of Polyester.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Jan 29 10:11:16 2024
    On 1/29/2024 10:06 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for
    dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
    and sheets.

    Polyester? Silk? Wool?

    Cindy Hamilton

    I like T shirts with a bit of polyester in the blend of the material.
    It prevents
    shrinkage plus shirts don't look wrinkly when coming out of the
    dryer.  Silk is
    ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon.  Linen is very nice, but it's
    terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    Everything I wear has mostly cotton.  Just looked at a couple of my
    shirts, they are 60% cotton.

    Life was tough back in the 70s when much of the modest price slacks were
    100% polyester.  Horrid stuff I'd not wear. Seems that was the heyday of Polyester.

    Leisure suits! Drip dry fabric. No dry cleaning required.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Mon Jan 29 10:53:34 2024
    On 2024-01-29 10:11 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:06 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>>> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

    Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for
    dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
    and sheets.

    Polyester? Silk? Wool?

    Cindy Hamilton

    I like T shirts with a bit of polyester in the blend of the material.
    It prevents
    shrinkage plus shirts don't look wrinkly when coming out of the
    dryer.  Silk is
    ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon.  Linen is very nice, but
    it's terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    Everything I wear has mostly cotton.  Just looked at a couple of my
    shirts, they are 60% cotton.

    Life was tough back in the 70s when much of the modest price slacks
    were 100% polyester.  Horrid stuff I'd not wear. Seems that was the
    heyday of Polyester.

    Leisure suits!  Drip dry fabric.  No dry cleaning required.



    Thank god leisure suits were a short lived style. They were a joke. I
    am happy to say I never had one, nor did any of my friends.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Jan 29 10:51:49 2024
    On 2024-01-29 10:06 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon.  Linen is very nice, but it's
    terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    Everything I wear has mostly cotton.  Just looked at a couple of my
    shirts, they are 60% cotton.

    Life was tough back in the 70s when much of the modest price slacks were
    100% polyester.  Horrid stuff I'd not wear. Seems that was the heyday of Polyester.

    Natural fabrics are almost always more comfortable. When I had a summer
    job in an alloy smelting plant we had to wear long underwear, and it had
    to be wool or cotton, not synthetic.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Tue Jan 30 12:29:49 2024
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric. Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer. Cut back on the detergent a bit, also. I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a decent washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get three
    loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer. Rinse
    water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. I can easily
    tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the right amount,
    the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three loads are rinsed.
    I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into the mostly broken automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before drying them.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Wed Jan 31 07:08:57 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:06:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:29:54 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get three
    loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer. Rinse
    water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. I can easily
    tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the right amount,
    the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three loads are rinsed.
    I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into the mostly broken
    automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before drying them.

    Our family had such a washer back in the early 60's. It was a lot of fun for me to see the water filling up the basin outside the house and then get sucked back again. I don't understand the concept of reusing water like that. Mostly, it makes sense if
    water is scarce.
    Yesterday, while we were waiting to pick up our granddaughter from school, there was a guy that put a guitar in the school dumpster. I'm not a guy to go dumpster diving but for a guitar I will. Turns out it was a bass guitar and it was pink. I always
    wanted a pink guitar. I've finally got the guitar that guitarists always hear about - the mythical dumpster guitar. Hee hee.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/H4W8JwgkCotmgHcN6

    I like that guitar. No confusion about which string to pluck.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Tue Jan 30 17:40:44 2024
    On 1/29/2024 3:27 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 8:05:49 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:

    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    Linen is very nice, but it's terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    The great thing about linen is everyone expects it to be wrinkled. :)
    In the deep south no one looks askance at a wrinkled cotton or linen
    garment.

    Jill

    True, true. A few hundred years ago I had bought a lovely A-line linen dress for Easter. I even went as far as having my initials embroidered on the front
    in the chest area. But I'd stand as long as I could before sitting down knowing
    once seated that dress would be terribly wrinkled in the front. It was such a
    comfortable dress, though.


    I have a lovely linen dress I bought to wear to the office in west TN.
    The dress got wrinkled on the drive to work. But yes, it's a very
    comfortable dress. :) These days I wear jeans to work. I could even
    wear shorts if I wanted to. Back then, jeans were only allowed on the occasional "casual Friday". I never quite understood that. We didn't
    interact with the public yet everyone was expected to dress up.

    Since this thread started out being about bad weather I was reminded of
    a time in the early 2000's when Memphis was hit with an ice storm
    (nothing special about that, happens every year). That particular
    morning I decided I was going to wear black jeans to work. I figured if
    my car slid off the road at least I wouldn't be wearing a dress. When I
    got the office only a handful of people had come to work. The
    department manager came to my desk and chided me, saying, "You know
    you're not supposed to wear jeans to work!" I looked around at all the
    empty cubicles and offices and said, "Really? You're worried about what
    I'm wearing?"

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 18:09:02 2024
    dsi1 wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:29:54 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get three
    loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer. Rinse
    water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. I can easily
    tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the right amount,
    the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three loads are rinsed.
    I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into the mostly broken
    automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before drying them.

    Our family had such a washer back in the early 60's. It was a lot of fun for me to see the water filling up the basin outside the house and then get sucked back again. I don't understand the concept of reusing water like that. Mostly, it makes sense if
    water is scarce.

    yes, we had a shallow well, if overused it would go dry.
    the rinse tub helped. cut water use by half or more.


    Yesterday, while we were waiting to pick up our granddaughter from school, there was a guy that put a guitar in the school dumpster. I'm not a guy to go dumpster diving but for a guitar I will. Turns out it was a bass guitar and it was pink. I always
    wanted a pink guitar. I've finally got the guitar that guitarists always hear about - the mythical dumpster guitar. Hee hee.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/H4W8JwgkCotmgHcN6

    happiness. :)


    songbird

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Tue Jan 30 18:23:58 2024
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.
    ;
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a decent
    washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

      I can easily
    tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the right amount,
    the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three loads are rinsed.
     I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into the mostly broken automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before drying them.

    "Cheating" is an odd word to use. Do you feel guilty using the spin cycle?

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Jan 30 19:27:52 2024
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of >>>>> stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.
    ;
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a decent >>> washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over?  I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    Jill

    When we were younger, my wife and I would sometimes shower together. It
    was good to have someone wash your back.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Jan 30 19:25:27 2024
    On 1/30/2024 5:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:



    I have a lovely linen dress I bought to wear to the office in west TN.
    The dress got wrinkled on the drive to work.  But yes, it's a very comfortable dress. :)  These days I wear jeans to work.  I could even
    wear shorts if I wanted to.  Back then, jeans were only allowed on the occasional "casual Friday".  I never quite understood that.  We didn't interact with the public yet everyone was expected to dress up.

    Since this thread started out being about bad weather I was reminded of
    a time in the early 2000's when Memphis was hit with an ice storm
    (nothing special about that, happens every year).  That particular
    morning I decided I was going to wear black jeans to work.  I figured if
    my car slid off the road at least I wouldn't be wearing a dress.  When I
    got the office only a handful of people had come to work.  The
    department manager came to my desk and chided me, saying, "You know
    you're not supposed to wear jeans to work!"  I looked around at all the empty cubicles and offices and said, "Really? You're worried about what
    I'm wearing?"

    Jill

    Only worked for one company with any sort of dress code. Men had to
    wear a tie except from Memorial Day to Labor day. No one wore shorts,
    except the shop workers.

    Last place I spent 29 years,shorts and T-shirts was fine. Never wore a
    tie. If you waled through the place you could not, by dress, tell the
    president from the shipping crew.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jan 30 19:55:20 2024
    On 1/30/2024 7:27 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of >>>>>> stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an >>>>> automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all >>>>> the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since. >>>>  >
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a
    decent
    washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over?  I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    Jill

    When we were younger, my wife and I would sometimes shower together.  It
    was good to have someone wash your back.

    That's a little different but unless you had dual shower heads someone
    was always left standing outside the hot water.

    Seriously, reusing sudsy washing machine water three times and the rinse
    water in the laundry tub sounds incredibly cheap. I wouldn't want to be wearing those clothes.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Tue Jan 30 21:00:56 2024
    On 1/30/2024 7:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 7:27 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the
    feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an >>>>>> automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all >>>>>> the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a >>>>>> "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since. >>>>>  >
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a
    decent
    washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. >>>
    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over?  I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    Jill

    When we were younger, my wife and I would sometimes shower together.
    It was good to have someone wash your back.

    That's a little different but unless you had dual shower heads someone
    was always left standing outside the hot water.

    Seriously, reusing sudsy washing machine water three times and the rinse water in the laundry tub sounds incredibly cheap.  I wouldn't want to be wearing those clothes.

    Jill

    I've heard stores of bathing in the same water years ago. Before
    running water, the tub would be filled with water hauled from the well
    and heat over the fire. Then they took turns.

    No bathtub in my house. I have two very nice showers instead. Did the
    same in the last house.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 31 12:37:12 2024
    In article <nyfuN.67791$zqTf.45093@fx35.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...

    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of >>>> stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
    dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
    "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a decent >> washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    Back when we lived in a house with NO plumbing, every
    drop of water was fetched in a bucket from an outdoor
    communal cast iron pump shared with neighbours. The only
    place to heat it was in pans on the kitchen stove, or the
    electric kettle. You bet we made optimum use of every
    drop. Saving water, labour and power.

    For laundry, we washed the lightly soiled items first,
    and re-used the same hot soapy water for the medium-dirty
    , followed by anything absolutely filthy. Ditto with the
    rinse water. The laundry was done in a tin tub using a
    posser and a washboard like these

    <https://www.facebook.com/TamesideLibraries/photos/a.34216 0882599844/1986952524787330/?type=3>

    The bath was kept on a hook on the wall, which when
    laboriously filled was then used by each member of the
    family in turn, sharing the water.

    After baths and laundry, we used the same water to wash
    the kitchen floor, then the rest of the water kad to be
    laboriously bucketed out of the bath (and tossed out of
    the kitchen door).

    Laundry, and having a bath, were real hard work. People
    didn't wash laundry or take baths nearly as often as they
    do today.

    Even in houses with bathrooms and running hot and cold
    water, most of my generation shared bathwater (minimum
    depth); a power-saving left-over from WW2.

    When J and I got married, we lived in a couple of rented
    attic rooms and shared the only bathroom (down two
    flights of stairs) with the landlady and other tenants.
    The landlady controlled the hot water supply and rationed
    baths to one per person per week. John and I shared ours.

    Janet UK

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 31 06:37:05 2024
    On 2024-01-31 02:00:56 +0000, Ed P said:

    On 1/30/2024 7:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 7:27 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of >>>>>>>> stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an >>>>>>> automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
    detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all >>>>>>> the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes >>>>>>> dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a >>>>>>> "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since. >>>>>>  >
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a decent >>>>>> washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get three >>>>> loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer washer. 
    Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over?  I don't even want to think about bath time at your house. >>>>
    Jill

    When we were younger, my wife and I would sometimes shower together.
    It was good to have someone wash your back.

    That's a little different but unless you had dual shower heads someone
    was always left standing outside the hot water.

    Seriously, reusing sudsy washing machine water three times and the
    rinse water in the laundry tub sounds incredibly cheap.  I wouldn't
    want to be wearing those clothes.

    Jill


    No bathtub in my house. I have two very nice showers instead. Did the
    same in the last house.

    A bathtub in the house can be very handy if you ever need at home
    hydrotherapy. I've needed it a number of times for sports related
    injuries. I also have an ADA roll in shower that I hope I don't need
    to roll in to.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jan 31 09:27:22 2024
    On 2024-01-30 9:00 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 7:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:

    I've heard stores of bathing in the same water years ago.  Before
    running water, the tub would be filled with water hauled from the well
    and heat over the fire.  Then they took turns.

    No bathtub in my house.  I have two very nice showers instead.  Did the same in the last house.


    My SiL's father grew up in rural Manitoba and when he was young he
    worked as a ranch hand. Saturday night was bath night. The all used the
    same tub and, being the youngest, he was the last to get the tub and the remains of the hot water.... after a half dozen others had washed off a
    weak of farm grime.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to bob on Wed Jan 31 10:14:56 2024
    On 1/31/2024 8:37 AM, bob wrote:
    On 2024-01-31 02:00:56 +0000, Ed P said:

    On 1/30/2024 7:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 7:27 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 11:04 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
    On 1/27/2024 8:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the >>>>>>>>> feel of
    stiff towels.

    That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.
    Using an
    automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover >>>>>>>> detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water
    makes all
    the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes >>>>>>>> dryer.  Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a >>>>>>>> "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me >>>>>>>> since.
    ;
    One can also set the washer to extra rinse, that is if one owns a >>>>>>> decent
    washer.

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get >>>>>> three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry
    tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the
    same sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub)
    three times over?  I don't even want to think about bath time at
    your house.

    Jill

    When we were younger, my wife and I would sometimes shower together.
    It was good to have someone wash your back.

    That's a little different but unless you had dual shower heads
    someone was always left standing outside the hot water.

    Seriously, reusing sudsy washing machine water three times and the
    rinse water in the laundry tub sounds incredibly cheap.  I wouldn't
    want to be wearing those clothes.

    Jill


    No bathtub in my house.  I have two very nice showers instead.  Did
    the same in the last house.

    A bathtub in the house can be very handy if you ever need at home hydrotherapy.  I've needed it a number of times for sports related injuries.  I also have an ADA roll in shower that I hope I don't need to roll in to.



    No one here, fortunately, has ever needed that. Meantime,the risk of
    injury stepping over the side of the tub is eliminated.

    Last time a tub was used in our house is when the kids were little, that
    was over 45 years ago.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 31 18:49:32 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 1/29/2024 3:27 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 8:05:49 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:

    On 1/29/2024 12:25 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    Linen is very nice, but it's terrible about
    wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

    The great thing about linen is everyone expects it to be
    wrinkled. :) In the deep south no one looks askance at a wrinkled
    cotton or linen garment.

    Jill

    True, true. A few hundred years ago I had bought a lovely A-line
    linen dress for Easter. I even went as far as having my initials embroidered on the front in the chest area. But I'd stand as long
    as I could before sitting down knowing once seated that dress would
    be terribly wrinkled in the front. It was such a comfortable
    dress, though.


    I have a lovely linen dress I bought to wear to the office in west
    TN. The dress got wrinkled on the drive to work. But yes, it's a
    very comfortable dress. :) These days I wear jeans to work. I could
    even wear shorts if I wanted to. Back then, jeans were only allowed
    on the occasional "casual Friday". I never quite understood that.
    We didn't interact with the public yet everyone was expected to dress
    up.

    Since this thread started out being about bad weather I was reminded
    of a time in the early 2000's when Memphis was hit with an ice storm
    (nothing special about that, happens every year). That particular
    morning I decided I was going to wear black jeans to work. I figured
    if my car slid off the road at least I wouldn't be wearing a dress.
    When I got the office only a handful of people had come to work. The department manager came to my desk and chided me, saying, "You know
    you're not supposed to wear jeans to work!" I looked around at all
    the empty cubicles and offices and said, "Really? You're worried
    about what I'm wearing?"

    Jill

    Same here after I retired. Bluejean Fridays. In the SQL programming
    job, I taught a class once or twice a month and it's ok to dress up a
    bit for that but the rest of the time, it didn't make sense.

    Carol

    PS: I got a lot of floor length 'crinkle' dresses in various colors and patterns. Very comfortable and just wash then hang to dry. That's
    what I wore with a nice jacket or sweater for my last 5 years. That or
    long skirts with a silky blouse.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 07:46:48 2024
    On 1/30/2024 3:06 PM, dsi1 wrote:

    Our family had such a washer back in the early 60's. It was a lot of
    fun for me to see the water filling up the basin outside the house
    and then get sucked back again. I don't understand the concept of
    reusing water like that. Mostly, it makes sense if water is scarce. Yesterday, while we were waiting to pick up our granddaughter from
    school, there was a guy that put a guitar in the school dumpster. I'm
    not a guy to go dumpster diving but for a guitar I will. Turns out it
    was a bass guitar and it was pink. I always wanted a pink guitar.
    I've finally got the guitar that guitarists always hear about - the
    mythical dumpster guitar. Hee hee.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/H4W8JwgkCotmgHcN6

    That's nifty... Are you going to restring it?

    Sometimes the "hobos" (crackheads) bring junk into the antique mall to
    attempt to get a few bucks out of it. One guy left a really rough
    acoustic guitar, so the mall owner had fun painting it orange/green and
    putting hippie flower stickers on it. If I were less lazy, I'd back
    this post up with a picture.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Sat Feb 3 07:56:39 2024
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I think
    most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond that now.
    Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did where everyone
    shared the same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years. I don't know why people suddenly think it's
    "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    I can easily tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the
    right amount, the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three
    loads are rinsed. I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into
    the mostly broken automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before
    drying them.

    "Cheating" is an odd word to use. Do you feel guilty using the spin cycle?

    That was my attempt at humor. In reality, the wringer washer works
    really well to clean, but it does a poor job removing water from
    clothes. Straight from the wringer, very damp clothes would be in the
    electric clothes dryer nearly twice as long.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Feb 3 14:33:07 2024
    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I think
    most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond that now.
    Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years. I don't know why people suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sun Feb 4 04:27:25 2024
    On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 14:33:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. >>>
    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I think
    most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond that now.
    Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did where everyone
    shared the same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years. I don't know why people suddenly think it's
    "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    lol Don't walk to close to the houses in East Liverpool.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Feb 3 23:18:46 2024
    Michael Trew wrote:

    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your
    house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I
    think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond
    that now. Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did
    where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in case you
    were concerned.

    Not uncommon as we were growing up either.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years. I don't know why people suddenly think
    it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my
    grandparents, and prior generations.

    It still isn't. Just don't resoap the water each load. (I don't know
    as any mentioned that).

    I did a variation of it as a college student. Washing nursing aide
    stockings, bras and undies in woolite in the sink. Had to run '2 sink
    loads'. Set aside to rinse or rinse in tub as you go along.

    I'd have been delighted to have access to your setup at home in my
    college years. It was rough times for me. Even stomping on work
    uniforms in the bath tub with laundry soap the squeezing out by hand
    and drying on any surface I could find.

    I didn't have the cost of laundromats.

    I can easily tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use
    the
    right amount, the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all
    three loads are rinsed. I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes
    back into the mostly broken automatic washer, and use the "spin"
    cycle before drying them.

    "Cheating" is an odd word to use. Do you feel guilty using the spin
    cycle?

    That was my attempt at humor. In reality, the wringer washer works
    really well to clean, but it does a poor job removing water from
    clothes. Straight from the wringer, very damp clothes would be in
    the electric clothes dryer nearly twice as long.

    I understood it (grin).

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Feb 3 23:26:31 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry
    tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about bath time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I
    think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond
    that now. Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did
    where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in case
    you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I
    usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last
    wash load. You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing
    suds water on wash day, for many years. I don't know why people
    suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your
    parents or my grandparents, and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before
    meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Feb 7 19:06:27 2024
    On 2/3/2024 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub. >>>
    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I think
    most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond that now.
    Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did where everyone
    shared the same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years. I don't know why people suddenly think it's
    "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    LOL! Sorry, I just now read this reply and I really did laugh out loud!

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Feb 7 19:21:40 2024
    On 2/3/2024 7:56 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the same
    sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry tub) three
    times over? I don't even want to think about bath time at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water.  I think
    most parents did this.  The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond that now.
    Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    I was being facetious about that. My two older brothers probably were
    bathed together when they were little, at the same time. If I was later
    dunked in the same tub of water I sure don't remember it but it's possible.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean.  I usually
    wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last wash load.
    You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing suds water on
    wash day, for many years.  I don't know why people suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    I haven't forgotten. There's a reason later generations came up with
    better methods for many things. My parents may have taken baths in the
    same bath water as children during the Depression but they didn't keep
    doing it after they grew up.

    I can easily tell if I used too much detergent, because if I use the
    right amount, the rinse water won't be sudsy at all until all three
    loads are rinsed.  I do "cheat" and toss the rinsed clothes back into
    the mostly broken automatic washer, and use the "spin" cycle before
    drying them.

    "Cheating" is an odd word to use. Do you feel guilty using the spin
    cycle?

    That was my attempt at humor.  In reality, the wringer washer works
    really well to clean, but it does a poor job removing water from
    clothes.  Straight from the wringer, very damp clothes would be in the electric clothes dryer nearly twice as long.

    No kidding. The wringer doesn't wring out all the water? Surprise!
    Again, there's a reason people moved on to washing machines with a spin
    cycle. :)

    Jill

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to cshenk on Wed Feb 7 19:22:53 2024
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the wringer
    washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry
    tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about bath time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I
    think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are beyond
    that now. Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century farmers did
    where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in case
    you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I
    usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the last
    wash load. You seem to forget that people lived like this, reusing
    suds water on wash day, for many years. I don't know why people
    suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your
    parents or my grandparents, and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before
    meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a latrine. ;)

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Feb 7 18:40:05 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.  I
    can get
    three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in the
    wringer
    washer.  Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean
    using the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the
    laundry
    tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about
    bath time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath
    water.  I
    think most parents did this.  The 7 and 9 year old here are
    beyond
    that now.  Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century
    farmers did
    where everyone shared the same bath water once per week, in
    case
    you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean.  I
    usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in
    the last
    wash load.  You seem to forget that people lived like this,
    reusing
    suds water on wash day, for many years.  I don't know why
    people
    suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't "gross" to your
    parents or my grandparents, and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do
    know.  I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill.
    Long before
    meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit for
    a latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Is that what Popeye did when you were dating him?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Feb 7 19:36:44 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do
    know.  I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill.
    Long before
    meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit
    for a latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.



    It's no problem, when it's 50 below zero, canadians just shit
    and piss on the ground. It freezes solid within minutes and has
    no smell till spring.

    But they usually find something else to whine about.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Feb 7 20:18:09 2024
    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know.  I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before
    meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 16:14:45 2024
    In article <lZVwN.308713$7sbb.193026@fx16.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know.  I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before
    meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.

    Then just pee on the ground, like normal people.

    Janet UK

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Feb 8 11:27:54 2024
    On 2024-02-08 11:14 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <lZVwN.308713$7sbb.193026@fx16.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know.  I just >>>>> can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before >>>> meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.

    Then just pee on the ground, like normal people.


    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 16:43:17 2024
    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-08 11:14 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <lZVwN.308713$7sbb.193026@fx16.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know.  I just >>>>> can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long before >>>> meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.

    Then just pee on the ground, like normal people.


    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    Janet UK

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Feb 8 13:27:18 2024
    Janet wrote:
    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
    ...
    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    not really, but it happens, if you've ever tent camped
    in the winter and had to deal with -20F you might find
    a reason to have a can with a lid available. also some
    parks now require people to carry out their waste instead
    of burying it because of the damage it can do to the
    plants, animals, water and soil conditions.

    if you've ever done rock climbing you'd also notice it
    can be very hard to dig a trench... baggies, wipes and
    pack it out is often the better answer.


    songbird

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Feb 8 13:47:53 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-02-08 11:14 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <lZVwN.308713$7sbb.193026@fx16.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-07 7:22 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do
    know.  I just
    can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot
    out the window.

    1979 for me.  Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill.
    Long before
    meeting Don.  Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping?  Should have dug a pit
    for a
    latrine. ;)


    It is hard to dig a latrine when the ground is frozen.

      Then just pee on the ground, like normal people.


    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days
    without having to do more than just pee.


    Easy. Just shit on the ground, wait 10 seconds till the turd
    freezes hard, and kick it away.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Feb 8 14:26:14 2024
    On 2/8/2024 1:27 PM, songbird wrote:
    Janet wrote:
    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
    ...
    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    not really, but it happens, if you've ever tent camped
    in the winter and had to deal with -20F you might find
    a reason to have a can with a lid available. also some
    parks now require people to carry out their waste instead
    of burying it because of the damage it can do to the
    plants, animals, water and soil conditions.

    if you've ever done rock climbing you'd also notice it
    can be very hard to dig a trench... baggies, wipes and
    pack it out is often the better answer.


    songbird

    I was thinking of trying rock climbing. You mean there is no porcelain
    fixture at the top? Looks like I need a different hobby.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 21:31:23 2024
    In article <61jf9k-36b.ln1@anthive.com>,
    songbird@anthive.com says...

    Janet wrote:
    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
    ...
    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    not really, but it happens, if you've ever tent camped
    in the winter

    often

    and had to deal with -20F.

    I have experienced temperatures that low, but had the
    sense not to go camping.

    some
    parks now require people to carry out their waste instead
    of burying it because of the damage it can do to the
    plants, animals, water and soil conditions.

    We encountered that in outback Australia (they are
    rightly,very hot on biosecurity). I see Mount Everest is
    introducing the same rule.

    if you've ever done rock climbing you'd also notice it
    can be very hard to dig a trench... baggies, wipes and
    pack it out is often the better answer.

    I met my husband rock climbing. Neither of us ever
    needed to shit while on the end of a rope. It's a rare
    rock face that has no crevices...

    Janet UK

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 8 22:49:17 2024
    On 2024-02-08, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a latrine. ;)


    During rough camping with the boys, when one wandered off with a shovel,
    nobody asked where he was going. ;)

    leo

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Thu Feb 8 22:17:55 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I
    can get three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in
    the wringer washer. Rinse water is standing in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using
    the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry
    tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about bath time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I
    think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are
    beyond that now. Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century
    farmers did where everyone shared the same bath water once per
    week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I
    usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the
    last wash load. You seem to forget that people lived like
    this, reusing suds water on wash day, for many years. I don't
    know why people suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't
    "gross" to your parents or my grandparents, and prior
    generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I
    just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot out the window.

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the left
    of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold that night,
    chamber pot time!

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to cshenk on Thu Feb 8 18:09:40 2024
    On 2/8/2024 5:17 PM, cshenk wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water. I
    can get three loads of wash out of one tub of suds water in
    the wringer washer. Rinse water is standing in the
    soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean using
    the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry
    tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about bath time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath water. I
    think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year old here are
    beyond that now. Point is, no, I don't live like 19th century
    farmers did where everyone shared the same bath water once per
    week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I
    usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in the
    last wash load. You seem to forget that people lived like
    this, reusing suds water on wash day, for many years. I don't
    know why people suddenly think it's "gross" now, but it wasn't
    "gross" to your parents or my grandparents, and prior
    generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I
    just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot out the window.

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the left
    of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold that night, chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Jill

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Feb 8 17:20:44 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 2/8/2024 1:27 PM, songbird wrote:
    Janet wrote:
    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...
    ...
    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without >>>> having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    not really, but it happens, if you've ever tent camped
    in the winter and had to deal with -20F you might find
    a reason to have a can with a lid available. also some
    parks now require people to carry out their waste instead
    of burying it because of the damage it can do to the
    plants, animals, water and soil conditions.

    if you've ever done rock climbing you'd also notice it
    can be very hard to dig a trench... baggies, wipes and
    pack it out is often the better answer.


    songbird

    I was thinking of trying rock climbing. You mean there is no porcelain fixture at the top? Looks like I need a different hobby.

    i have a screwed up shoulder so no i could not tell you
    what is up there because i've never made it to the top. :)

    i do however read about mountain climbing and some people
    actually camp on the sides of rocky mountain sides while
    they are climbing if they can't find a better spot.

    sometimes i learn about things i'll never attempt because
    it's important to have empathy and i can usually learn some
    interesting viewpoints.


    songbird

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to carol on Fri Feb 9 12:37:33 2024
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I
    just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot out the window.

    carol wrote

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the left
    of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold that night, chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.

    JanetUK

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Fri Feb 9 09:49:07 2024
    On 2024-02-09 7:37 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.



    Word meanings vary from one place to another. A lot of people in
    southern Ontario have vacation properties on or near lakes further
    north. They call them cottages and they go to the cottage. People in
    northern Ontario and in some other parts of the country have similar
    cottages but they go to the camp. For them, camping is staying at a
    rustic cottage.


    On a side note. My late BiL had a lady friend who had a cottage on an
    island on a lake in Algonquin Park. She invited us to come and stay for
    a few days. I was leery because the woman was a loony and I thought it
    involved an outhouse and quite frankly, my outhouse and crapping over a
    log days were long over. She assured us that she had chemical several
    toilets. I might add that this was early June when the mosquitoes were
    at their height. I was not thrilled to wake up in the middle of the
    night with as serious need to crap. I headed off to the toilet she had
    so proudly shown us upon removal. It turned out that she was not
    thrilled that I had used it. I was told that adults should know when
    they have to have a bowel movement and should go out into the woods to
    find a log to sit on.

    We declined the next invitation to the cottage.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Feb 9 16:25:03 2024
    Dave Smith wrote :

    On a side note. My late BiL had a lady friend who had a cottage on an
    island on a lake in Algonquin Park. She invited us to come and stay for
    a few days. I was leery because the woman was a loony and I thought it involved an outhouse and quite frankly, my outhouse and crapping over a
    log days were long over. She assured us that she had chemical several toilets. I might add that this was early June when the mosquitoes were
    at their height. I was not thrilled to wake up in the middle of the
    night with as serious need to crap. I headed off to the toilet she had
    so proudly shown us upon removal. It turned out that she was not
    thrilled that I had used it. I was told that adults should know when
    they have to have a bowel movement and should go out into the woods to
    find a log to sit on.

    We declined the next invitation to the cottage.

    The most humane response you could've given her.

    Guess I don't understandd why she's got chemical toilets if she only
    uses them for #1. I'd be more inclined to go the other way, #1 in the
    woods, #2 in the toilet. Have had some very memorable views from a
    groover.

    --
    Passwords are like underwear -
    don't share them with your friends
    don't hang them on your monitor
    change them twice a year

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Fri Feb 9 11:59:02 2024
    On 2024-02-09 11:25 a.m., heyjoe wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote :

    We declined the next invitation to the cottage.

    The most humane response you could've given her.

    Guess I don't understandd why she's got chemical toilets if she only
    uses them for #1. I'd be more inclined to go the other way, #1 in the
    woods, #2 in the toilet. Have had some very memorable views from a
    groover.


    The whole trip was a disaster. The plan had been to pick her up and
    drive her. When we got there all her stuff had been packed into her car
    so we had to unload it and put it in my van. Then she had to go to the
    can, which took a while. Apparently she had the trots, so that took a
    while. An hour down the road she had to stop ate a rest stop and it was
    another 45 minute wait for her. An hour later we stopped for lunch. We
    are all set to go and she had to go to the can... another half hour
    wait. Two more stops until we got to the lake where I was sent in to
    talk to the owner to tell him she was here and wanted to get her boat
    out of storage. Apparently she had just left it there in the fall and
    since it was the opening of their season the handy man was not
    available. She had a canoe and a row boat at the lodge and thought she
    and my wife could take some of the stuff in the canoe and I would take
    the rest in a row boat and row the two miles to the cottage.

    The owner took pity on us and arranged for someone to take us out to the cottage. We got settled in and made supper, cracked open a bottle of
    wine and she told us she didn't want anyone drinking because there are
    rocks and cliffs and someone might fall. Well screw you lady we're
    having the wine. The only redeeming part of the visit was that she
    treated us to brunch at the lodge and it was amazing. The next year she
    called and asked a small favour... could we drive her up to the cottage
    and help her open it. Nope.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Janet on Fri Feb 9 12:04:00 2024
    On 2/9/2024 7:37 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I
    just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot out the window.

    carol wrote

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the left
    of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold that night,
    chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.

    JanetUK

    To be fair, she did say the toilet in the cabin wasn't working. Neither
    one was mentioned in her original reply about "camping" or using a
    chamber pot. I doubt she brought it with her. Likely supplied by the
    people who rented them the cabin.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Janet on Fri Feb 9 13:18:58 2024
    Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know. I
    just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the
    chamberpot out the window.

    carol wrote

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the left
    of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold that night,
    chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.

    JanetUK


    Probably wanted to save a few turds for Master Bruce to sniff
    later.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 9 19:28:05 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/8/2024 5:17 PM, cshenk wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/3/2024 6:26 PM, cshenk wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-02-03, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 6:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/30/2024 12:29 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    That is, if one doesn't mind wasting that extra water.
    I can get three loads of wash out of one tub of suds
    water in the wringer washer. Rinse water is standing
    in the soapstone/concrete
    laundry tub.

    Do you really think you're getting your clothes clean
    using the
    same >> sudsy wash water (and the same rinse water in the laundry >>>>tub) three >> times over? I don't even want to think about bath
    time
    at your house.

    When my siblings and I were very young, we shared bath
    water. I think most parents did this. The 7 and 9 year
    old here are beyond that now. Point is, no, I don't live
    like 19th century farmers did where everyone shared the
    same bath water once per week, in case you were concerned.

    Yes, the clothes all come out smelling and looking clean. I usually wash rugs, work clothes, or other soiled stuff in
    the last wash load. You seem to forget that people lived
    like this, reusing suds water on wash day, for many years.
    I don't know why people suddenly think it's "gross" now,
    but it wasn't "gross" to your parents or my grandparents,
    and prior generations.

    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do know.
    I just can't recall the last time I threw the contents of the chamberpot out the window.

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill. Long
    before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit for a
    latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning). We
    slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went to the
    left of the building, guys to the right but when it got too cold
    that night, chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now
    it makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in
    the woods camping.

    Jill

    I figured you might be thinking that. It was just a group of college
    'kids'. One of the guys 'rented it' from his cousin for a 12pack ;-).
    We only had it for 1 night but it was fun anyways! Not a long drive to
    get there, it was in the smokies. If I recall right it was Friday
    night and it was rented out for the next week starting Sat for a
    hunting group.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Fri Feb 9 20:06:25 2024
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 7:37 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do
    know. I just can't recall the last time I threw the
    contents of the chamberpot out the window.

    carol wrote

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill.
    Long before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit
    for a latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning).
    We slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went
    to the left of the building, guys to the right but when it got
    too cold that night, chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working.
    Now it makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking
    tents in the woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.

    JanetUK

    To be fair, she did say the toilet in the cabin wasn't working.
    Neither one was mentioned in her original reply about "camping" or
    using a chamber pot. I doubt she brought it with her. Likely
    supplied by the people who rented them the cabin.

    Jill

    Yes, supplied by the owner with lots of cat litter to put in it to keep
    it nicer and a couple of boxes of baking soda.

    We all knew in advance the cabin had frozen pipes so the toilet
    couldn't be used but there was a chamber pot to use indoors which we
    did at night. No electricity either but a HUGE pile of wood inside and
    more all along the right side of the cabin.

    Us kids brought storm lanterns, extra batteries, flash lights, beer,
    food etc. It was actually well pretty organized so we had assigned
    stuff to bring. It was a large 2-room cabin. We ended up leaving jugs
    of water in the other room (away from the fireplace) for the next folks.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to cshenk on Fri Feb 9 16:31:11 2024
    cshenk wrote:
    jmcquown wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 7:37 AM, Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
    People did a lot of things in the past that we don't do
    know. I just can't recall the last time I threw the
    contents of the chamberpot out the window.

    carol wrote

    1979 for me. Camping in the smokies in winter with Bill.
    Long before meeting Don. Loads of fun but damn cold!

    You had a chamber pot when camping? Should have dug a pit
    for a latrine. ;)

    Jill

    Yes, we had one. It was extremely cold in the cabin but colder
    outside. The toilet wasn't working (taped off with a warning).
    We slept on the floor in front of the fireplace. Ladies went
    to the left of the building, guys to the right but when it got
    too cold that night, chamber pot time!

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working.
    Now it makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking
    tents in the woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.

    JanetUK

    To be fair, she did say the toilet in the cabin wasn't working.
    Neither one was mentioned in her original reply about "camping" or
    using a chamber pot. I doubt she brought it with her. Likely
    supplied by the people who rented them the cabin.

    Jill

    Yes, supplied by the owner with lots of cat litter to put in it to keep
    it nicer and a couple of boxes of baking soda.

    We all knew in advance the cabin had frozen pipes so the toilet
    couldn't be used but there was a chamber pot to use indoors which we
    did at night. No electricity either but a HUGE pile of wood inside and
    more all along the right side of the cabin.

    Us kids brought storm lanterns, extra batteries, flash lights, beer,
    food etc. It was actually well pretty organized so we had assigned
    stuff to bring. It was a large 2-room cabin. We ended up leaving jugs
    of water in the other room (away from the fireplace) for the next folks.


    Dummy, if you had simply reported all this information to her
    highness, there wouldn't be a big flap over it.

    And she would never have slung her royal ass over her shoulder.

    THIS IS YOUR FAULT!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Feb 10 12:52:44 2024
    On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:43:17 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <ei7xN.217323$vFZa.21746@fx13.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    I wonder how many people could be out camping for several days without
    having to do more than just pee.

    I shit in the woods, like bears. Or on the mountain, like
    eagles, or in the sand like camels. Like cats, I dig a
    small hole first and cover it after.

    I've never taken a chamberpot for shitting in when
    camping. That would only be necessary for the kind of
    person who shits in the tent and throws the shit out of
    the tent door. Is that common in America?

    Yes, they call it politics.

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 11:41:39 2024
    In article <CXqxN.320224$PuZ9.51814@fx11.iad>,
    adavid.smith@sympatico.ca says...

    On 2024-02-09 7:37 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <_adxN.276832$Ama9.150309@fx12.iad>,
    j_mcquown@comcast.net says...

    Ohhhhh, you were in a cabin! with a toilet that wasn't working. Now it
    makes more sense to have a chamber pot. I was thinking tents in the
    woods camping.

    Another thread derailed by Cshenk's poor understanding
    of the meaning of words, like "camping",

    You'd have to wonder why she packed a chamber pot for a
    trip to stay in a communal cabin with a toilet.



    Word meanings vary from one place to another. A lot of people in
    southern Ontario have vacation properties on or near lakes further
    north. They call them cottages and they go to the cottage. People in
    northern Ontario and in some other parts of the country have similar
    cottages but they go to the camp. For them, camping is staying at a
    rustic cottage.

    Thanks. I always wondered why "Camp" David.

    Janet UK


    On a side note. My late BiL had a lady friend who had a cottage on an
    island on a lake in Algonquin Park. She invited us to come and stay for
    a few days. I was leery because the woman was a loony and I thought it involved an outhouse and quite frankly, my outhouse and crapping over a
    log days were long over. She assured us that she had chemical several toilets. I might add that this was early June when the mosquitoes were
    at their height. I was not thrilled to wake up in the middle of the
    night with as serious need to crap. I headed off to the toilet she had
    so proudly shown us upon removal. It turned out that she was not
    thrilled that I had used it. I was told that adults should know when
    they have to have a bowel movement and should go out into the woods to
    find a log to sit on.

    We declined the next invitation to the cottage.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Janet on Sat Feb 10 08:08:27 2024
    Janet wrote:
    ...
    Thanks. I always wondered why "Camp" David.

    and then there is the other word used "cabin".

    but by far the most common words i've heard are
    cottage and camp.


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Mar 20 22:28:54 2024
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

    Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That is
    a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He
    lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got
    sprayed but my friend did.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Mar 20 21:23:20 2024
    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

     Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That is
    a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He
    lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Mar 20 23:29:07 2024
    On 3/20/2024 11:23 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

      Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That
    is a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He
    lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got
    sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)

    Best to leave them alone if they are not bothering you. We had one that
    would come out from behind the garage and walk down the driveway. Saw
    it a few nights a week at about 10PM. Some months later, never saw it
    again.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Mar 21 10:17:16 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the
    bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
    the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

     Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have smelt >> skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this house and I >> once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That is a big change
    from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He lived on the edge of >> the city and green belt at the bottom of the Niagara Escarpment. Skunks
    lived in the bush along the hill and came into civilization at night to
    feed. If you were out walking at night there you were pretty much
    guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)


    Did she start taking advice from men after that? ;)

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  • From GM@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 10:06:57 2024
    D wrote:



    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the >>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering >>>> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

     Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have smelt >>> skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this house and I >>> once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That is a big change >>> from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He lived on the edge of >>> the city and green belt at the bottom of the Niagara Escarpment. Skunks
    lived in the bush along the hill and came into civilization at night to
    feed. If you were out walking at night there you were pretty much
    guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a
    professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)


    Did she start taking advice from men after that? ;)

    "Gentle Graham" sometimes is a wee bit "wicked"...!!!

    B-)

    --
    GM

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Mar 21 08:53:50 2024
    On 2024-03-20 11:29 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/20/2024 11:23 PM, Graham wrote:

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a
    professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)

    Best to leave them alone if they are not bothering you.  We had one that would come out from behind the garage and walk down the driveway.  Saw
    it a few nights a week at about 10PM.  Some months later, never saw it again.

    If only you could count on them not reacting badly. My friend got home
    late one night and went around to the back door. He stepped around the
    corned and got sprayed before he even saw the skunk. It got him in the
    face and left his skin red. Some of it got on his nice suede jacket and bleached it in blotches.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Mar 21 08:51:37 2024
    On 2024-03-20 11:23 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

      Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That
    is a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years. He
    lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never got
    sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)


    I imagine that you felt just awful about that.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 08:00:40 2024
    On 2024-03-21 3:17 a.m., D wrote:


    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-25 5:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
    hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

    I don't get close enough to worry about it.  When I see a skunk at the >>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss.  They lumber away.

    When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering >>>> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
    he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

      Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That
    is a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years.
    He lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never
    got sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a
    professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)


    Did she start taking advice from men after that? ;)
    Hell no!

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Mar 21 08:01:52 2024
    On 2024-03-21 6:51 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-03-20 11:23 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-03-20 8:28 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

      Thank goodness we don't have a skunk problem where I live. I have
    smelt skunk only a couple times in the 45+ years I have lived in this
    house and I once saw a dead one one road about a mile from here. That
    is a big change from the neighbourhood where I spend my teen years.
    He lived on the edge of the city and green belt at the bottom of the
    Niagara Escarpment. Skunks lived in the bush along the hill and came
    into civilization at night to feed. If you were out walking at night
    there you were pretty much guaranteed to run into a skunk. I never
    got sprayed but my friend did.

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a
    professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)


    I imagine that you felt just awful about that.


    Of course:-) Not!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Mar 22 05:09:03 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:00:40 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-03-21 3:17 a.m., D wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Graham wrote:

    My ex had one in her back yard. My son tried to persuade her to get a
    professional pest controller in to deal with it. However, she has a
    thing about taking advice from men, even her own son. She got sprayed:-)

    Did she start taking advice from men after that? ;)

    Hell no!

    You must have traumatised the poor woman :)

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