• Re: [OT] No Country for Old Men

    From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jan 7 12:37:43 2024
    On 2024-01-07 12:15 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)



    We had about half an inch. I was thinking of going out and scraping it
    off the stairs and sidewalk, but it is sitting just above freezing and
    it has melted.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 7 17:15:36 2024
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There
    wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jan 7 13:32:40 2024
    On 1/7/2024 12:15 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo


    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Jan 7 14:42:21 2024
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 12:15 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There
    wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo


    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    we had a light layer this morning, i was pysched because i
    really enjoy shovelling and was looking forwards to having a
    reason to go outside and get some fresh air and exercise.

    next time i looked it had already melted away. :(


    songbird

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jan 7 12:30:28 2024
    On 2024-01-07 10:15 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo
    I shovelled that much this morning at 6:45, and I'm older than you:-)

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Jan 7 21:54:07 2024
    On 2024-01-07, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 12:15 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There
    wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo


    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    we had a light layer this morning, i was pysched because i
    really enjoy shovelling and was looking forwards to having a
    reason to go outside and get some fresh air and exercise.

    You should have an opportunity Tuesday/Wednesday. And again next
    weekend.

    We're supposed to switch over to rain, so I probably won't have to
    shovel on Wednesday. Saturday, OTOH, could show me 4-6 inches.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Jan 7 20:03:52 2024
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 1/7/2024 12:15 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    I just shoveled a inch and a half of snow off the driveway and sidewalk
    in 17 F degree weather at 77 years of age. Nobody offered to help.
    I suppose that at 8:00 AM on a Sunday, I should have expected it. There
    wasn't a soul in sight.
    During last year's big snows, nothing hit the valley, and I worried
    whether I had forgotten how to shovel. Nope!
    I think I'll take a nap. ;)

    leo


    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Sun Jan 7 19:37:14 2024
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I
    now have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are
    quieter and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud.
    Last summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that
    loud should be banned, but not the others.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jan 8 10:14:03 2024
    On 1/8/2024 9:59 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?


    Maybe I had a little over an inch and a half. I was only able to go
    about fifteen feet before the shovel filled, but that's what I did.
    I don't have a leaf blower. I thought of buying one this year but didn't
    get around to it.
    I live at the end of a east/west street. I have one arborvitae and no
    leafy trees yet manage to fill nine 39 gallon leaf bags each year. Well...usta be. I didn't rake the backyard at all this year and only
    filled six bags. Two of my neighbors have big trees that hang over the
    fence in the back. TMI?

    Yesterday I talked to my friends in CT and MA. They got about 10". I
    shoveled that for many years but eventually bought a snow blower and you
    just walked behind it. Good investment. We averaged 48" a year.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Mon Jan 8 14:59:08 2024
    On 2024-01-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?


    Maybe I had a little over an inch and a half. I was only able to go
    about fifteen feet before the shovel filled, but that's what I did.
    I don't have a leaf blower. I thought of buying one this year but didn't
    get around to it.
    I live at the end of a east/west street. I have one arborvitae and no
    leafy trees yet manage to fill nine 39 gallon leaf bags each year.
    Well...usta be. I didn't rake the backyard at all this year and only
    filled six bags. Two of my neighbors have big trees that hang over the
    fence in the back. TMI?

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jan 8 10:15:39 2024
    On 2024-01-08 9:59 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-07, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?


    Maybe I had a little over an inch and a half. I was only able to go
    about fifteen feet before the shovel filled, but that's what I did.
    I don't have a leaf blower. I thought of buying one this year but didn't
    get around to it.
    I live at the end of a east/west street. I have one arborvitae and no
    leafy trees yet manage to fill nine 39 gallon leaf bags each year. Well...usta be. I didn't rake the backyard at all this year and only
    filled six bags. Two of my neighbors have big trees that hang over the
    fence in the back. TMI?


    A leaf blower would not work on most of the snow that we get here. It is
    rare that we get the light fluffy stuff that can be blown like that.
    Our snow is usually wetter and heavier. Sometimes it is too we even for
    a snow blower. You can make one pass through but once it is been thrown
    it packs down wetter and heavier and clogs the machine. Sometimes when
    we get a wet heavy snow I wait until the temperature drops at night and
    it freezes a bit.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Jan 8 15:26:11 2024
    On 2024-01-07, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I shovelled that much this morning at 6:45, and I'm older than you:-)


    But you're used to it. You live in a Winter Hell compared to the rest of
    us. You don't have no steenkin' snow blower, do you? ;)
    I dealt with this in 2003 when I was younger. There was one worse in
    1997 or 1998, but I didn't get a picture. I shoveled the roof with that
    one. Again...younger.

    <https://postimg.cc/mhb2y4HD>

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Jan 8 11:47:29 2024
    On 2024-01-08 8:26 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-07, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I shovelled that much this morning at 6:45, and I'm older than you:-)


    But you're used to it. You live in a Winter Hell compared to the rest of
    us. You don't have no steenkin' snow blower, do you? ;)
    I dealt with this in 2003 when I was younger. There was one worse in
    1997 or 1998, but I didn't get a picture. I shoveled the roof with that
    one. Again...younger.

    <https://postimg.cc/mhb2y4HD>



    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought
    conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 08:20:39 2024
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf
    blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a
    quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly
    annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Thu Jan 11 03:56:18 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:20:39 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud
    should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf >blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a >quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly >annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    Our ride-on and push mowers are much noisier than our leaf blower.
    You'd have to ban a lot more than just leaf blowers. But it's
    antisocial to use stuff like that after 8 pm or so, let alone after 11
    pm.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Jan 10 18:14:40 2024
    On 2024-01-10, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud
    should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    What would I use to clean the gutters on my house?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 15:31:15 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 03:56:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:20:39 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now >>> have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter >>> and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud >>> should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf >>blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a >>quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly >>annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    Our ride-on and push mowers are much noisier than our leaf blower.
    You'd have to ban a lot more than just leaf blowers. But it's
    antisocial to use stuff like that after 8 pm or so, let alone after 11
    pm.

    I don't find push mowers noisy! Nobody round here has need of a ride
    on mower, even the lawn company doesn't use one.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to lucretia@florence.it on Thu Jan 11 07:01:34 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:31:15 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 03:56:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:20:39 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf >>>>>> blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years >>>> ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now >>>> have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter >>>> and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud >>>> should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf >>>blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a >>>quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly >>>annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    Our ride-on and push mowers are much noisier than our leaf blower.
    You'd have to ban a lot more than just leaf blowers. But it's
    antisocial to use stuff like that after 8 pm or so, let alone after 11
    pm.

    I don't find push mowers noisy! Nobody round here has need of a ride
    on mower, even the lawn company doesn't use one.

    City.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 21:44:42 2024
    On 2024-01-10, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:14:47 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    What would I use to clean the gutters on my house?

    Cindy Hamilton

    Gutter guards?? I had them installed on my house 10 or 12 years ago and haven't

    I have gutter guards. The mature maple trees drop plenty of stuff
    that stays on top of the gutter guards, especially the seeds.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 16:31:19 2024
    On 2024-01-10 2:37 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:14:47 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    What would I use to clean the gutters on my house?

    Cindy Hamilton

    Gutter guards?? I had them installed on my house 10 or 12 years ago and haven't
    had a clogged gutter or downspout since. Neighbor who is a roofer has been up
    there a few times since installation and he's said each time my gutters are as
    clean as a whistle.


    I have had gutter guards for years. It was about 19 years ago that that
    huge branch fell on my roof and the insurance company paid for new eavestroughing and replaced the gutter guards. I checked them every year
    or two and they gutters were always clean. I had a problem this year.
    For some reason this year there was a layer of crap sitting on top and
    the water wasn't get through. I had to go up and scrap that layer of
    leafy bits off. It was the first time in the dozen or so years I have
    had them there, and it was a lot quicker and easier than having to reach
    in and scoop out that slimy slimy leaf filled water.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jan 10 16:48:56 2024
    On 1/10/2024 3:01 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:31:15 -0400, lucretia@florence.it wrote:


    Our ride-on and push mowers are much noisier than our leaf blower.
    You'd have to ban a lot more than just leaf blowers. But it's
    antisocial to use stuff like that after 8 pm or so, let alone after 11
    pm.

    I don't find push mowers noisy! Nobody round here has need of a ride
    on mower, even the lawn company doesn't use one.

    City.


    Lawn service is a year round thing here, though slower in winter. The
    crew that does my house and my son next door sort of attack it. One guy
    on a big riding mower, another two guys with trimmers, another with a
    blower. Both houses done in less than ten minutes.

    My other neighbor has a different service, but same deal. Sure, a bit
    of noise but gone is a few minutes.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Wed Jan 10 17:04:05 2024
    On 2024-01-10 4:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-10, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:14:47 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>>
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    What would I use to clean the gutters on my house?

    Cindy Hamilton

    Gutter guards?? I had them installed on my house 10 or 12 years ago and haven't

    I have gutter guards. The mature maple trees drop plenty of stuff
    that stays on top of the gutter guards, especially the seeds.



    Yeah. I have one huge maple tree in my front yard. Until two years ago I
    had two but one had to be removed last year, and thank goodness it was
    on town property. The accumulation was mostly the seeds. It was never a
    problem before. They usually dry out and blow away, but this year was exceptionally wet so they sat there and decayed and formed a damp heavy
    mass.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Jan 10 17:27:20 2024
    On 1/10/2024 8:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud
    should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM.  It's a quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly annoying.  I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    There should be some sort of noise ordinance about no leaf blowers after
    a certain time (and before a certain time). But really, you cannot ban
    things like this and expect people to go back to sweeping the sidewalks
    and parking lots with push brooms as if it was 1900.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 16:38:34 2024
    itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 7:20:43 AM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:

    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    Some of the yard crews that do my neighbors properties use those backpack type gas powered leaf blowers. They're a bit noisy, but quickly get the job done.

    They aren't all noisy. I have a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now >>> have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter >>> and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud >>> should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the leaf
    blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM. It's a
    quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being terribly
    annoying. I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    I've got a lithium battery rechargeable one and it's very handy and does the job quickly. It's not terribly noisy but I'd rather use that than wear out my arm
    and a broom getting rid of leaves and grass on the sidewalk plus blowing off my back porch.


    Some folks are very delicate. The sound is devastating. Others
    are able to ignore loud sounds. We are all different.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 17:03:00 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 4:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-10, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net
    <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:14:47 PM UTC-6, Cindy
    Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    What would I use to clean the gutters on my house?

    Cindy Hamilton

    Gutter guards?? I had them installed on my house 10 or 12
    years ago and haven't

    I have gutter guards. The mature maple trees drop plenty of
    stuff
    that stays on top of the gutter guards, especially the seeds.



    Yeah. I have one huge maple tree in my front yard. Until two
    years ago I had two but one had to be removed last year, and
    thank goodness it was on town property. The accumulation was
    mostly the seeds. It was never a problem before. They usually
    dry out and blow away, but this year was exceptionally wet so
    they sat there and decayed and formed a damp heavy mass.

    Every canadian has maple trees. And they always brag about the
    syrup, and then whine about everything else. Do you have to pay
    GST and PST for your maple tree, Officer Dave?

    It's a Goddamn shame, ain't it?

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 10 18:08:07 2024
    On 2024-01-10 5:27 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/10/2024 8:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and toss >>>>> it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I bought, and I now >>> have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered are quieter >>> and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load. One that loud >>> should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the
    leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM.
    It's a quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being
    terribly annoying.  I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    I find it hard to believe that an electric leaf blower can be that much
    of a problem, especially in an area that is commercial enough to have a laundromat.


    There should be some sort of noise ordinance about no leaf blowers after
    a certain time (and before a certain time).  But really, you cannot ban things like this and expect people to go back to sweeping the sidewalks
    and parking lots with push brooms as if it was 1900.

    I would think that they could easily be restricted to the same hours for
    other noises. I did mention previously about once hearing a leaf blower
    that was exceptionally loud, but all the others were no worse than lawn
    mowers and snow blowers. I use ear protection with my gas powered leaf
    blower and weed whacker, but there is no need for them with the electric
    ones.

    The original owner of the house next door used to mow his lawn with a
    diesel tractor. It was loud and annoying but I could tune it out after a
    while I would not notice it. Later on he had bypass surgery and could
    not do it in one shot so he would come out and run it for 10-15 minutes
    at a time, take a break and come out again so it would take a while to habituate to it.... 4-5 times.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to jmcquown on Wed Jan 10 17:24:36 2024
    jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/10/2024 8:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the
    shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you
    have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I
    bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I
    bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery powered
    are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really
    loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load.
    One that loud
    should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to
    run the leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk,
    usually after 11 PM.  It's a quieter electric model, but
    that doesn't save it from being terribly annoying.  I agree
    with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    There should be some sort of noise ordinance about no leaf
    blowers after a certain time (and before a certain time). But
    really, you cannot ban things like this and expect people to go
    back to sweeping the sidewalks and parking lots with push
    brooms as if it was 1900.

    Jill

    Amen, your majesty.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 17:36:59 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 5:27 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/10/2024 8:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the
    shovel and toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you
    have a leaf
    blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!

    They aren't all noisy. I have an a plug in electric that I
    bought years
    ago, a gas powered one that came with a lawn tractor I
    bought, and I now
    have a battery powered one. The electric and battery
    powered are quieter
    and produce more wind, but the gas powered is not really
    loud. Last
    summer I heard a lawn crew using one that was really load.
    One that loud
    should be banned, but not the others.

    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to
    run the leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk,
    usually after 11 PM. It's a quieter electric model, but that
    doesn't save it from being terribly annoying.  I agree with
    Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    I find it hard to believe that an electric leaf blower can be
    that much of a problem, especially in an area that is
    commercial enough to have a laundromat.


    There should be some sort of noise ordinance about no leaf
    blowers after a certain time (and before a certain time).
    But really, you cannot ban things like this and expect people
    to go back to sweeping the sidewalks and parking lots with
    push brooms as if it was 1900.

    I would think that they could easily be restricted to the same
    hours for other noises. I did mention previously about once
    hearing a leaf blower that was exceptionally loud, but all the
    others were no worse than lawn mowers and snow blowers. I use
    ear protection with my gas powered leaf blower and weed
    whacker, but there is no need for them with the electric ones.

    The original owner of the house next door used to mow his lawn
    with a diesel tractor. It was loud and annoying but I could
    tune it out after a while I would not notice it. Later on he
    had bypass surgery and could not do it in one shot so he would
    come out and run it for 10-15 minutes at a time, take a break
    and come out again so it would take a while to habituate to
    it.... 4-5 times.

    That's a damn shame.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 19:51:32 2024
    On 1/10/2024 6:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 5:27 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
    On 1/10/2024 8:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 1/7/2024 7:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-07 7:03 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:32:40 -0500, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    With a light dusting like that, you just walk with the shovel and
    toss
    it to the side every 20 feet or so. Better yet, do you have a leaf >>>>>> blower?

    Noisy bloody things, shouldn't be allowed!!


    The people who own the laundromat across the street like to run the
    leaf blower on their parking lot and sidewalk, usually after 11 PM.
    It's a quieter electric model, but that doesn't save it from being
    terribly annoying.  I agree with Lucretia on banning leaf blowers.

    I find it hard to believe that an electric leaf blower can be that much
    of a problem, especially in an area that is commercial enough to have a laundromat.

    It seems an oddity where Michael lives that the laundry across the
    street would be using a leaf blower at 11PM. Whatever.

    There should be some sort of noise ordinance about no leaf blowers
    after a certain time (and before a certain time).  But really, you
    cannot ban things like this and expect people to go back to sweeping
    the sidewalks and parking lots with push brooms as if it was 1900.

    I would think that they could easily be restricted to the same hours for other noises. I did mention previously about once hearing a leaf blower
    that was exceptionally loud, but all the others were no worse than lawn mowers and snow blowers.  I use ear protection with my gas powered leaf blower and weed whacker, but there is no need for them with the electric ones.

    I have a rechargeable battery operated leaf blower I use for the
    driveway and the back patio. I don't run it at 5AM and I don't run it
    after dark. No complaints. Then again, there is a golf course is my
    back yard and they start that stuff up at sunup. A few of my neighbors
    run theirs around 7AM. That's why I have a sound machine to block out extraneous noise on the days I don't have to get up to go to work. :)

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 21:07:36 2024
    On 2024-01-10 8:39 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 6:51:44 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:


    It seems an oddity where Michael lives that the laundry across the
    street would be using a leaf blower at 11PM. Whatever.

    Jill

    I'm guessing at time of the night that's the only time the parking lot would be completely empty.

    That makes sense. You don't want to be blowing dirt and stuff around
    people's cars. That could cause scratches, not to mention that it is so
    much easier to clean something like that if there are no obstructions.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 21:05:33 2024
    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Hmmmm, that's odd. I guess I've been lucky nothing has landed on top and stuck
    on the guards and creating an annoying clog.

    I had these at first they were a joke is all I can say.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLfnfbkG/Gutter-Guards-2.jpg


    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was the
    first time I had to go up and clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=
    9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 19:26:33 2024
    On 2024-01-10 7:05 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Hmmmm, that's odd.  I guess I've been lucky nothing has landed on top
    and stuck
    on the guards and creating an annoying clog.

    I had these at first they were a joke is all I can say.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLfnfbkG/Gutter-Guards-2.jpg


    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was the first time I had to go up and  clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=
    9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

    How does it handle the needles from pine and spruce trees?

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 21:56:35 2024
    On 2024-01-10 9:46 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:05:39 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was the
    first time I had to go up and clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=
    9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37 >>
    That looks like mine. Does yours also have a mesh over the holes to keep tiny stuff
    out of the gutter? Mine does.

    No extra mesh.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Jan 10 21:50:34 2024
    On 2024-01-10 9:26 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 7:05 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Hmmmm, that's odd.  I guess I've been lucky nothing has landed on top
    and stuck
    on the guards and creating an annoying clog.

    I had these at first they were a joke is all I can say.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLfnfbkG/Gutter-Guards-2.jpg


    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was
    the first time I had to go up and  clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=
    9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

    How does it handle the needles from pine and spruce trees?

    There is a pine tree about 50 yards north of the house and and some
    spruce trees to the east of it, and we have a predominate west wind I I
    have a huge maple almost overhanging the house and a row of big maples
    across the road, so the bulk of the vegetation is the maple seeds.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jan 10 22:12:25 2024
    On 2024-01-10 7:50 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 9:26 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 7:05 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Hmmmm, that's odd.  I guess I've been lucky nothing has landed on
    top and stuck
    on the guards and creating an annoying clog.

    I had these at first they were a joke is all I can say.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLfnfbkG/Gutter-Guards-2.jpg


    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was
    the first time I had to go up and  clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&
    hvlocphy=9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

    How does it handle the needles from pine and spruce trees?

    There is a pine tree about 50 yards north of the house and and some
    spruce trees to the east of it, and we have a predominate west wind I I
    have a huge maple almost overhanging the house and a  row of big  maples across the road, so the bulk of the vegetation is the maple seeds.

    The guard would deal with the Mountain Ash but spruce needles seem to
    fly everywhere.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Wed Jan 10 22:15:20 2024
    On 2024-01-10 7:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:26:38 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-10 7:05 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was the >>> first time I had to go up and clean it.


    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&
    hvlocphy=9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

    How does it handle the needles from pine and spruce trees?

    Here's a video of the type I have. Is it this exact brand? I don't remember,
    but it does have the mesh over the holes and a neighbor across the alley
    has two pine trees. It stops those needles landing in my gutters.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Amerimax-Home-Products-Snap-In-Filter-3-ft-White-Vinyl-Micro-Mesh-Gutter-Guard-86770/100520851#overlay

    I think they would work well if we got steady rain but a great
    deal of the rain here comes from thunderstorms and the gutters
    overflow, even if they are clean.

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Thu Jan 11 15:02:15 2024
    On 1/11/2024 1:51 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:41:59 PM UTC-6, bruce bowser wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 6:07:41 PM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-10 8:39 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

    I'm guessing at time of the night that's the only time the parking lot would
    be completely empty.

    That makes sense. You don't want to be blowing dirt and stuff around
    people's cars.

    They don't like it? Then they go to a car wash.

    No, it would be better to wait until the parking lot is empty; you can't get all the
    debris blown away with cars parked here and there.

    Bowser conveniently snipped the possiblity Dave raised of potential
    damage (or claims of damage) to cars parked in the lot. We had a storm
    the other day with extremely high (60MPH) gusting winds. More than just
    leaves fell; small twigs, pine cones, etc. A leaf blower will send
    those things flying.

    Jill

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 11 21:29:24 2024
    On 2024-01-08, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.


    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my
    driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    Before January first, the ski resorts were dying from lack of snow.
    Yesterday, a skier died in an avalanche at Palisades [aka Squaw Valley]
    and others were buried but saved. :(

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 11 22:05:58 2024
    On 2024-01-11, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2024-01-08, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought
    conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the
    neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.


    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night.

    I'm trying not to whine. They're predicting 3.2 inches tomorrow,
    but it'll rain in the middle. With a little luck, I'll end up with
    1 or 1.5 inches. I might be able to deal with that using salt and
    minimum shoveling to expose the asphalt. Then it's going to get
    cold with a fierce wind chill.

    Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    We have arranged for our neighbor to plow the driveway if we get
    substantial snow. More than 6 inches would be the threshold, I think.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 11 17:06:42 2024
    On 1/11/2024 4:29 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-08, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought
    conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the
    neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.


    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    How very nice of your mystery neighbor!

    Before January first, the ski resorts were dying from lack of snow. Yesterday, a skier died in an avalanche at Palisades [aka Squaw Valley]
    and others were buried but saved. :(

    That sucks. I feel bad for the man's family.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net on Thu Jan 11 22:09:12 2024
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my
    driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it. Sunday night we're in
    for bitter temperatures for at least three days and predicted to not get above
    freezing. BRRRRRRRRR 🥶  

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday. I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I just checked the 10-day forecast for your city. Tuesday will
    be a trifle nippy. Stay warm.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 11 17:18:13 2024
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-08, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought
    conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the
    neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.


    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    it's good exercise. two days in a row i shovelled. :)
    my body loves it.

    really cold weather is on the way starting Sunday. about
    time winter got here. it looks a lot nicer outside when
    there is snow covering the dead grass/etc.


    Before January first, the ski resorts were dying from lack of snow. Yesterday, a skier died in an avalanche at Palisades [aka Squaw Valley]
    and others were buried but saved. :(

    :(


    songbird

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jan 11 17:54:03 2024
    On 2024-01-11 4:29 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-08, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    Actually, we've had very little snow this winter and it has been
    unusually warm. The authorities are worried that we'll have drought
    conditions this summer as the snow pack is not up to par.
    I do have a snow blower, a Honda, but it wasn't worth using it the other
    day, and anyway, I never use it before ~9am so as not to disturb the
    neighbours.
    I used a leaf blower yesterday when there was not enough to shovel.


    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    Before January first, the ski resorts were dying from lack of snow. Yesterday, a skier died in an avalanche at Palisades [aka Squaw Valley]
    and others were buried but saved. :(

    Ski resorts are often crying the blues about lack of snow, and then when
    they get a good dump of snow that makes up for the previous lack the
    roads are bad and people can't make it to the slopes.

    My son called me around noon today. He was on his way to Ellicottvile NY
    and was wondering if he should bother. He figured he could either go
    today and endure substandard conditions or wait until tomorrow when we
    are expecting a storm. It could be rain or it could be wet snow. By the
    time we discussed that he was at the border and decided to go ahead.

    It will be a big change for him. He just got back from a week in Cuba
    where they had clear blue skies and temperatures in the 80s and 90s.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jan 11 22:59:02 2024
    On 2024-01-11, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    really cold weather is on the way starting Sunday. about
    time winter got here. it looks a lot nicer outside when
    there is snow covering the dead grass/etc.

    A week ago, my grass was still green.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From jmcquown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 11 18:32:46 2024
    On 1/11/2024 5:59 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    really cold weather is on the way starting Sunday. about
    time winter got here. it looks a lot nicer outside when
    there is snow covering the dead grass/etc.

    A week ago, my grass was still green.


    The grass is still green and there are azaleas and camelias blooming in
    the yard. And yes, there are hummingbirds. The high temperature today
    was 60°F. It may get colder next week with high temps in the 40's; only
    time will tell.

    Jill

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jan 12 00:14:46 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote :

    A week ago, my grass was still green.

    Reportedly, even the UP had a brown Christmas this year. It may be
    time to make up for a, thus far, mild winter.

    Snow then rain then snow, followed by single digit temps are awful.
    Exceeded only by freezing rain, that sticks for a couple of days.

    --
    Believe in yourself!
    If cauliflower can become pizza, you can do anything.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 11 20:07:30 2024
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    really cold weather is on the way starting Sunday. about
    time winter got here. it looks a lot nicer outside when
    there is snow covering the dead grass/etc.

    A week ago, my grass was still green.

    you probably cut it regularly and short. ours we left
    go at the end of the summer so it was long. as it has
    frosted several time and frozen that killed it back so
    it is brown or tan or gray. it looks much better covered
    in snow now.


    songbird

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jan 11 19:07:22 2024
    On 2024-01-11 3:09 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I >>> got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my
    driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it. Sunday night we're in
    for bitter temperatures for at least three days and predicted to not get above
    freezing. BRRRRRRRRR 🥶  

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday. I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further
    tomorrow
    and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of around -50C.
    I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 11 21:35:56 2024
    On 2024-01-11 9:07 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-11 3:09 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell
    wrote:

    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night.
    Before I
    got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my
    driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it.  Sunday
    night we're in
    for bitter temperatures for at least three days and predicted to not
    get above
    freezing.  BRRRRRRRRR 🥶  

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday.  I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further tomorrow
    and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of around -50C.
    I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.


    You have my sympathy. That is way past my threshold for cold. Years ago
    I went out to Winnipeg in early December to look for a job. I stayed
    with a friend who was living there. I got off the plane and it was -40.
    Holy crap, that is a whole new dimension to cold compared to our
    winters. The coldest I remember it getting here was -25 and that was an unusually cold one for us.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Jan 11 22:49:52 2024
    On 1/11/2024 9:07 PM, Graham wrote:


    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further tomorrow
    and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of around -50C.
    I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.



    Damn, that is -22F. Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jan 11 22:19:36 2024
    On 2024-01-11 8:49 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/11/2024 9:07 PM, Graham wrote:


    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further
    tomorrow
    and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of around -50C.
    I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.



    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.

    It's hard to get used to, especially after December that was the warmest
    on record.

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  • From lucretia@florence.it@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jan 12 07:51:25 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:07:22 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-11 3:09 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote: >>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32?PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >>>>
    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night. Before I >>>> got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk and 1/3 of my
    driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it. Sunday night we're in
    for bitter temperatures for at least three days and predicted to not get above
    freezing. BRRRRRRRRR????

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday. I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further >tomorrow
    and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of around -50C.
    I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    I heard it arrived, my grandson who lives in Grande Prairie sent me
    pics :)

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jan 12 17:45:59 2024
    Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-11 3:09 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-6, Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote:

    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night.
    Before I got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk
    and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I
    know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it.
    Sunday night we're in for bitter temperatures for at least three
    days and predicted to not get above freezing. BRRRRRRRRR 🥶  

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday. I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or
    twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    So far, Accuweather shows no snow through Feb for us ;-(

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jan 12 17:24:25 2024
    Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2024-01-10 8:31 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

    Hmmmm, that's odd. I guess I've been lucky nothing has landed on
    top and stuck on the guards and creating an annoying clog.

    I had these at first they were a joke is all I can say.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLfnfbkG/Gutter-Guards-2.jpg


    This is the stuff I used. I installed it myself at least two years
    before that tree branch fell on the roof and the insurance company
    replaced it all. So we are looking at 12 years or more, and this was
    the first time I had to go up and clean it.



    https://www.amazon.ca/Maximum-Sturdiness-Gutter-Guard-24/dp/B00ELEXUPI/ref=asc_df_B00ELEXUPI/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=560442153592&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12027095193809569296&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=
    9047911&hvtargid=pla-1391991830819&psc=1&mcid=5e32a64d683d3d8fa49436bd224f2f37

    I have similar across the back of my house.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to cshenk on Fri Jan 12 13:10:49 2024
    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-11 3:09 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2024-01-11, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-6, Leonard
    Blaisdell wrote:

    God heard me whine, so he dumped another six inches last night.
    Before I got up, a good neighbor had cleared 3/4 of my sidewalk
    and 1/3 of my driveway. I owe him twenty bucks. I "think" I
    know who did it.

    <https://postimg.cc/G81n9qTh>

    That's pretty look at, but I'm glad I'm not dealing with it.
    Sunday night we're in for bitter temperatures for at least three
    days and predicted to not get above freezing. BRRRRRRRRR 🥶  

    Yes, if it were that temperature, I might have to put on a jacket.

    It's supposed to be high of 8 and low of 0 on Tuesday. I'm sure
    Graham is laughing at that.

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further
    tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or
    twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.


    So far, Accuweather shows no snow through Feb for us ;-(

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Sat Jan 13 07:59:19 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:10:49 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further
    tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or
    twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.

    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold? I don't see people in Scotland complain
    about the rain. Or me about the heat.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jan 12 21:54:00 2024
    On 2024-01-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:10:49 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further
    tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-(
    And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or
    twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.

    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold?

    No idea. I was born here.

    I don't see people in Scotland complain about the rain.

    They might be doing it, even if you don't see it.

    Or me about the heat.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to hamilton@invalid.com on Sat Jan 13 09:44:58 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:54:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:10:49 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further >>>>> tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-( >>>>> And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or
    twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.

    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold?

    No idea. I was born here.

    I don't see people in Scotland complain about the rain.

    They might be doing it, even if you don't see it.

    But not here. Maybe there are only 2 here.

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  • From Gregory Morrow@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jan 12 19:38:25 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold? I don't see people in Scotland complain
    about the rain. Or me about the heat.


    Why do you point fingers at so many people?
    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 13 11:46:55 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 19:38:25 -0500, Gregory Morrow <g.morrow@hog.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold? I don't see people in Scotland complain
    about the rain. Or me about the heat.


    Why do you point fingers at so many people?

    I just axed a question.

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  • From Gregory Morrow@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jan 12 19:40:07 2024
    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:54:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:10:49 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further >>>>>> tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-( >>>>>> And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or >>>>> twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.

    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold?

    No idea. I was born here.

    I don't see people in Scotland complain about the rain.

    They might be doing it, even if you don't see it.

    But not here. Maybe there are only 2 here.


    How many time have you thrown the USA under the bus
    in here so far?
    --
    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 13 11:47:50 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 19:40:07 -0500, Gregory Morrow <g.morrow@hog.com>
    wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:54:00 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
    <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:10:49 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-12 12:45 p.m., cshenk wrote:
    Graham wrote:

    I'm not laughing!! -30C today with windchill of -45. Dropping further >>>>>>> tomorrow and into Saturday with temps of -37C and windchills of
    around -50C. I'm only opening my front door to check the mailbox:-( >>>>>>> And I've just changed the filters in the furnaces.

    Stay warm! We are coming close to 32F at night here but only once or >>>>>> twice a week so far. Mostly it's 40F or so for our lows.

    32F is now Graham's break out the shorts and T shirt temperature.

    Why do people move to the cold part of the planet and then start
    complaining about the cold?

    No idea. I was born here.

    I don't see people in Scotland complain about the rain.

    They might be doing it, even if you don't see it.

    But not here. Maybe there are only 2 here.

    How many time have you thrown the USA under the bus
    in here so far?

    What does this have to do with the USA? I say bomb those Houthi rebels
    to the stone age!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jan 13 22:42:13 2024
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F. Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley
    once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sat Jan 13 18:31:54 2024
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F. Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley
    once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have experienced
    was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to F&$*ing cold for
    humans to have to endure. When it got up to -30 I went to the zoo and
    to the museum. It was interesting to see examples of the housing people
    had back in the days when it was being settled but Europeans. My wife's
    great grandmother was one of those. She was too proud to live in a
    "soddie" so her husband had to build a wood house with freshly cut
    lumber. The boards shrank in the cold and they almost froze. They moved
    back to southern Ontario.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jan 13 18:47:39 2024
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley
    once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have experienced
    was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to F&$*ing cold for humans to have to endure.  When it got up to -30 I went to the zoo and
    to the museum. It was interesting to see examples of the housing people
    had back in the days when it was being settled but Europeans.  My wife's great grandmother was one of those. She was too proud to live in a
    "soddie"  so her husband had to build a wood house with freshly cut
    lumber. The boards shrank in the cold and they almost froze. They moved
    back to southern Ontario.

    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood shavings
    above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has a bout a foot
    of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6 studs
    meaning that much more insulation in the walls.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jan 13 21:16:25 2024
    On 1/13/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley
    once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have experienced
    was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to F&$*ing cold
    for humans to have to endure.  When it got up to -30 I went to the zoo
    and to the museum. It was interesting to see examples of the housing
    people had back in the days when it was being settled but Europeans.
    My wife's great grandmother was one of those. She was too proud to
    live in a "soddie"  so her husband had to build a wood house with
    freshly cut lumber. The boards shrank in the cold and they almost
    froze. They moved back to southern Ontario.

    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood shavings
    above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has a bout a foot
    of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6 studs meaning that much more insulation in the walls.


    To meet energy code you usually need 2 x 6 in wood structures.
    ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) has been gaining for years now.

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC. Our house is concrete block
    but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sat Jan 13 21:03:35 2024
    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/13/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley
    once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have experienced
    was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to F&$*ing cold
    for humans to have to endure.  When it got up to -30 I went to the
    zoo and to the museum. It was interesting to see examples of the
    housing people had back in the days when it was being settled but
    Europeans. My wife's great grandmother was one of those. She was too
    proud to live in a "soddie"  so her husband had to build a wood house
    with freshly cut lumber. The boards shrank in the cold and they
    almost froze. They moved back to southern Ontario.

    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood shavings
    above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has a bout a foot
    of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6 studs
    meaning that much more insulation in the walls.


    To meet energy code you usually need 2 x 6 in wood structures.
    ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) has been gaining for years now.

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete block
    but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jan 13 23:43:03 2024
    On 2024-01-13 11:03 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete
    block but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.


    The house I grew up in was built in the 1952-53. We moved out of then
    and out of the area in 1964. We pass through there every few months and
    every few years I will take a detour through the old neighbourhood.
    About 3 years ago they tore down our old house and put up a monster
    home, as they have done with more than half the homes in that
    neighbourhood. It's a safe bet that the walls are all much better
    insulated, there is more insulation in the ceiling, triple glazed
    windows, no oil furnaces.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jan 13 23:29:05 2024
    On 1/13/2024 11:03 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/13/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley >>>>> once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F.
    Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have
    experienced was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to
    F&$*ing cold for humans to have to endure.  When it got up to -30 I
    went to the zoo and to the museum. It was interesting to see
    examples of the housing people had back in the days when it was
    being settled but Europeans. My wife's great grandmother was one of
    those. She was too proud to live in a "soddie"  so her husband had
    to build a wood house with freshly cut lumber. The boards shrank in
    the cold and they almost froze. They moved back to southern Ontario.

    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood shavings
    above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has a bout a foot
    of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6 studs
    meaning that much more insulation in the walls.


    To meet energy code you usually need 2 x 6 in wood structures.
    ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) has been gaining for years now.

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete
    block but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.


    60 years is not old. My son's last house was built in the late 1700s,
    as were many others in New England. When I live with my grandmother,
    that house was 100 years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Ed P on Sun Jan 14 08:15:44 2024
    On 2024-01-13 9:29 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/13/2024 11:03 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/13/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to Death Valley >>>>>> once, but it was in March, and the temperature was unremarkable.
    I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day when the temp was 105F. >>>>>> Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have
    experienced was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's just to
    F&$*ing cold for humans to have to endure.  When it got up to -30 I >>>>> went to the zoo and to the museum. It was interesting to see
    examples of the housing people had back in the days when it was
    being settled but Europeans. My wife's great grandmother was one of
    those. She was too proud to live in a "soddie"  so her husband had
    to build a wood house with freshly cut lumber. The boards shrank in
    the cold and they almost froze. They moved back to southern Ontario. >>>>>
    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood shavings
    above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has a bout a foot >>>> of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6 studs >>>> meaning that much more insulation in the walls.


    To meet energy code you usually need 2 x 6 in wood structures.
    ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) has been gaining for years now.

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete
    block but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.


    60 years is not old.  My son's last house was built in the late 1700s,
    as were many others in New England.  When I live with my grandmother,
    that house was 100 years.

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised,
    there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sun Jan 14 08:21:03 2024
    On 2024-01-13 9:43 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 11:03 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete
    block but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.


    The house I grew up in was built in the 1952-53. We moved out of then
    and out of the area in 1964. We pass through there every few months and
    every few years I will take a detour through the old neighbourhood.
    About 3 years ago they tore down our old house and put up a monster
    home, as they have done with more than half the homes in that
    neighbourhood. It's a safe bet that the walls are  all much better insulated, there is more insulation in the ceiling, triple glazed
    windows, no oil furnaces.

    Many houses in my sub-division have been demolished or carted
    away for some farmer or rural dweller. There's a new monster being built
    100m from me and the house next to that one is only 4 years old.
    I envy them the triple garages.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Graham on Mon Jan 15 18:05:02 2024
    Graham wrote:

    On 2024-01-13 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 1/13/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 4:31 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2024-01-13 5:42 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-12, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    Damn, that is -22F.  Colder than I've ever seen, or felt.
    Coldest I recall in CT was -10F or -23C.


    I've experienced -16F up to 108F where I live. I went to
    Death Valley once, but it was in March, and the temperature
    was unremarkable. I did hike from 4500 to 11200 feet one day
    when the temp was 105F. Ah, to be young again!

    The coldest I remember here was -25 C. The coldest I have
    experienced was out in Winnipeg where it was -40 C. That's
    just to F&$*ing cold for humans to have to endure.  When it
    got up to -30 I went to the zoo and to the museum. It was
    interesting to see examples of the housing people had back in
    the days when it was being settled but Europeans. My wife's
    great grandmother was one of those. She was too proud to live
    in a "soddie"  so her husband had to build a wood house with
    freshly cut lumber. The boards shrank in the cold and they
    almost froze. They moved back to southern Ontario.

    When it was built, my house has a couple of inches of wood
    shavings above the ceiling for insulation. The previous owner has
    a bout a foot of insulation blown in on top of the shavings.
    My house is framed with 2x4 studs but my son's is framed with 2x6
    studs meaning that much more insulation in the walls.


    To meet energy code you usually need 2 x 6 in wood structures.
    ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) has been gaining for years now.

    I don't worry about cold, but heat and AC.  Our house is concrete
    block but I had the hollow portion filled with insulation.

    My house is over 60 years old so the codes then were different.
    When I croak or downsize, this house will be demolished and a
    monster built in its place but to much higher standards.

    Yes but also regional area differences drive some of it. Ed's in
    Hurricane construction code area and that's where the concrete block
    kicks in. Our house in Miami FL (1962-1972) was like his, filled
    cement block.

    Most in Miami had no heat at all but Mom had a gas fireplace and the
    whole house AC had a heat function as I dimly recall. We used heat
    probably 3 times when I was there?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Jan 16 16:45:44 2024
    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.


    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Wed Jan 17 05:13:25 2024
    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised,
    there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our >conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Jan 16 12:34:41 2024
    On 2024-01-16 11:45 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised,
    there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.


    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.


    My wife had a cousin whose mother was Canadian but she was married to a
    Dutch diplomat and he grew up in London, Paris, Switzerland and
    Indonesia. One day were talking about antiques and he commented that
    most antiques in Canada were rarely more than 150 years old, and that
    the older ones tended to be crudely made while European antiques often hundreds of years old.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Tue Jan 16 19:12:52 2024
    On 2024-01-16, dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >> > there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.
    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    It's all relative. Most of the building in downtown Butte MT was probably built around the 1900's and earlier. Mostly they're brick buildings. It was jarring for me to be in the midst of such construction and architecture. Downtown Honolulu, was mostly
    constructed during the 70's and later. The bookstore we were visiting was in the lobby of the old Southern Hotel. It was across the street from City Hall. My wife's kinfolk grew up in Butte, MT. When her uncle got married, his buddy Evil Knievel, drove
    his motorcycle through the doors of City Hall. I can't say what he did then. I suppose he drove back out.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Fy4Dv35SJzyLALv86

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/fU3zX5688iTFUpNv5

    Yeah, we tend to tear old buildings down and make new ones that
    are more fit for modern purposes. The oldest building in Michigan
    is the officers' quarters at Fort Mackinac (1780). We've got a handful
    of buildings about the same age; most or all of them are part of museum complexes now. The one that's nearest to me was made of hand-hewn logs.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 11:58:50 2024
    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >> there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our >conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.

    Janet UK

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Janet on Wed Jan 17 12:28:26 2024
    On 2024-01-17, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >> >> there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders >> >> on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.

    He was referring to the Constitution being under threat.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Wed Jan 17 09:56:55 2024
    On 2024-01-17 6:58 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >>>> there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders >>>> on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.



    Just as the British did in some of the places they colonized and
    civilized. When the left their colonies they left them with roads,
    bridges, railroads and functioning ports.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jan 18 04:41:39 2024
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:58:50 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >> >> there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders >> >> on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.

    That's in the past. Trump's in the present.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to adavid.smith@sympatico.ca on Thu Jan 18 04:47:02 2024
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 09:56:55 -0500, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2024-01-17 6:58 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised, >>>>> there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders >>>>> on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.



    Just as the British did in some of the places they colonized and
    civilized. When the left their colonies they left them with roads,
    bridges, railroads and functioning ports.

    Yes, those brownies and blackies should be happy us Europeans
    colonised and civilised them, right Dave?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to dsi123@hawaiiantel.net on Thu Jan 18 10:22:54 2024
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:16:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1
    <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 2:28:33 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> On 2024-01-17, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
    In article <uo6h06$1i8nj$1...@dont-email.me>,
    Br...@invalid.invalid says...

    On 16 Jan 2024 16:45:44 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-14, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

    I realise that! In the centre of the English village where I was raised,
    there are many 14th and 15th century houses that have protection orders
    on them.

    There was a young Englishman at one of our trade shows. I started
    talking to him about "old" things in America. Halfway through our
    conversation, I realized who I was talking to and apologized.
    The streets he normally traveled are far older than our Constitution.

    And not under threat as much.

    Unless you count the damage done by centuries of
    invaders, rebellions and wars in Britain.

    Of course, some of the invaders turned out to be really
    expert at building stuff to last.
    He was referring to the Constitution being under threat.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

    There's some questions about the future of this young republic of ours.

    "The U.S. is a “fat buffalo trying to take a nap” as hungry wolves approach, the envoy mused. “I can hear those Champagne bottle corks popping in Moscow — like it’s Christmas every fucking day.”"

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/15/what-foreign-diplomats-say-about-u-s-politics-behind-closed-doors-00135326

    Putin will join the Trump zombies in their celebrations if Trump wins
    the next election.

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