On 1/4/2024 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

Given the discussion about the steps that have been taken to prevent
cart theft, it is not a local problem. Given the number of Americans in prison for marijuana it is interesting to hear you talk  the actual
issues that endanger your locals. And what is this crap about not
returning them to the cart corral.  It is about people outright stealing them and those who use them to transport their groceries back to their
low rent apartments and not returning them to the store.  It's theft,
and I pointed out how easy it would be to catch them, except that the
cops don't think that Those things cost a couple hundred dollars each.
People can get their own personal shopping carts. They used to be quite common in cities back in the days when men went out to work and
housewives shopped locally.

Wow. " When men went out to work and housewives shopped locally."
Welcome back to the 1950's. LOL Yes, both of my grandmothers had a
little trolly on wheels that would hold a couple of paper bags filled
with groceries. They walked to the store and back. There was only one
store in town and it was only a couple of blocks away.

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of wheels on
carts seems to be a larger city issue. Of course stealing shopping
carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very high on the list of things
the police should be concerned about.

Even in my little town there are much larger issues. There was a
drive-by shooting last week. A teenager was killed when a bullet went
through the front window of his house while he was sitting playing video
games. The police definitely have other things to concern themselves
with than people stealing shopping carts.

Jill

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On 2024-01-07 9:58 a.m., jmcquown wrote:

On 1/4/2024 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

Given the discussion about the steps that have been taken to prevent
cart theft, it is not a local problem. Given the number of Americans
in prison for marijuana it is interesting to hear you talk  the actual
issues that endanger your locals. And what is this crap about not
returning them to the cart corral.  It is about people outright
stealing them and those who use them to transport their groceries back
to their low rent apartments and not returning them to the store.
It's theft, and I pointed out how easy it would be to catch them,
except that the cops don't think that Those things cost a couple
hundred dollars each. People can get their own personal shopping
carts. They used to be quite common in cities back in the days when
men went out to work and housewives shopped locally.

Wow. " When men went out to work and housewives shopped locally."
Welcome back to the 1950's. LOL  Yes, both of my grandmothers had a
little trolly on wheels that would hold a couple of paper bags filled
with groceries.  They walked to the store and back.  There was only one store in town and it was only a couple of blocks away.

Well, that was my world. In the small town in which I grew up, the men
went out to work and most of the women stayed home to look after the
kids and the house. We only had a small grocery store and it was about
a mile from our house so my mother was not walking there with a personal
cart, but my grandmothers and aunts lived in the city and the walked to
local stores and used their own grocery trams.

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of wheels on
carts seems to be a larger city issue.  Of course stealing shopping
carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very high on the list of things
the police should be concerned about.

I don't recall every saying it should be a high priority, but if the
cops are out on patrol and they see someone walking down the street
pushing a shopping cart it is a pretty simple catch for them. They
should be able to write a ticket. They could at least use the threat of
a charge of possession of stolen property to make them return it.

Even in my little town there are much larger issues.  There was a
drive-by shooting last week.  A teenager was killed when a bullet went through the front window of his house while he was sitting playing video games.  The police definitely have other things to concern themselves
with than people stealing shopping carts.

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On 2024-01-07, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

On 1/4/2024 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

Given the discussion about the steps that have been taken to prevent
cart theft, it is not a local problem. Given the number of Americans in
prison for marijuana it is interesting to hear you talk  the actual
issues that endanger your locals. And what is this crap about not
returning them to the cart corral.  It is about people outright stealing
them and those who use them to transport their groceries back to their
low rent apartments and not returning them to the store.  It's theft,
and I pointed out how easy it would be to catch them, except that the
cops don't think that Those things cost a couple hundred dollars each.
People can get their own personal shopping carts. They used to be quite
common in cities back in the days when men went out to work and
housewives shopped locally.

Wow. " When men went out to work and housewives shopped locally."
Welcome back to the 1950's. LOL Yes, both of my grandmothers had a
little trolly on wheels that would hold a couple of paper bags filled
with groceries. They walked to the store and back. There was only one
store in town and it was only a couple of blocks away.

My mother and grandmother drove to the store. It was maybe a mile
away from the house. Since both of them worked, they couldn't shop
every day.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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jmcquown wrote:

(snips made)

Wow. " When men went out to work and housewives shopped locally."
Welcome back to the 1950's. LOL Yes, both of my grandmothers had a
little trolly on wheels that would hold a couple of paper bags filled
with groceries. They walked to the store and back. There was only
one store in town and it was only a couple of blocks away.

Close to me in Sasebo 2001-2007. We still have and use the little cart
for 7-11 runs.

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of wheels
on carts seems to be a larger city issue. Of course stealing
shopping carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very high on the
list of things the police should be concerned about.

Same for me. Waste of valuable police time. Dave must live in a tiny
place or be very unaware of what the police where he is, are doing.

Even in my little town there are much larger issues. There was a
drive-by shooting last week. A teenager was killed when a bullet
went through the front window of his house while he was sitting
playing video games. The police definitely have other things to
concern themselves with than people stealing shopping carts.

Jill

Obviously same here. Virginia Beach isn't bad. Look us up, we are 5th
least dangerous city of comparable size in the USA. That we pull this
off in a big tourist town, says a LOT of good things about our VBPD.
Frankly, most of our crime is of the non-violent type, which doesn't
mean we don't have shootings and violence, but our percentage is lower.
Nothing is perfect.

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On 2024-01-07 7:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:

On 1/7/2024 4:28 PM, cshenk wrote:

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of wheels
on carts seems to be a larger city issue.  Of course stealing
shopping carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very high on the
list of things the police should be concerned about.

Same for me.  Waste of valuable police time.  Dave must live in a tiny
place or be very unaware of what the police where he is, are doing.

So taking a cart a mile from the store and leaving it is not theft? They
cost hundreds of dollars and police go after thieves.  If they took your
TV of equal value would you expect some action?

Indeed. If the person had been observed stealing something in the store
that would be shoplifting and the cops would come. I was talking about
the cops seeing someone with a cart that was stolen. That is a crime
committed, a thief caught and a crime clearance.

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On 1/7/2024 4:28 PM, cshenk wrote:

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of wheels
on carts seems to be a larger city issue. Of course stealing
shopping carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very high on the
list of things the police should be concerned about.

Same for me. Waste of valuable police time. Dave must live in a tiny
place or be very unaware of what the police where he is, are doing.

So taking a cart a mile from the store and leaving it is not theft?
They cost hundreds of dollars and police go after thieves. If they took
your TV of equal value would you expect some action?

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Ed P wrote:

On 1/7/2024 4:28 PM, cshenk wrote:

Stealing shopping carts, paying a deposit and the locking of
wheels on carts seems to be a larger city issue. Of course
stealing shopping carts is a crime, but I wouldn't rate it very
high on the list of things the police should be concerned about.

Same for me. Waste of valuable police time. Dave must live in a
tiny place or be very unaware of what the police where he is, are
doing.

So taking a cart a mile from the store and leaving it is not theft?
They cost hundreds of dollars and police go after thieves. If they
took your TV of equal value would you expect some action?

Sure it is Ed, but it's non-violent crime. It someone took my TV
they'd get to me but at the priority of non-violent crime. The cart
would be collected by the city and returned to the store (or picked up
by the store) but not by the police. Trash pickup.

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On 2024-01-09 12:05 p.m., cshenk wrote:

Ed P wrote:

So taking a cart a mile from the store and leaving it is not theft?
They cost hundreds of dollars and police go after thieves. If they
took your TV of equal value would you expect some action?

Sure it is Ed, but it's non-violent crime.

It is non violent but it is not victimless. I suppose there will always
be those who fail to sympathize when it is other people who suffer a
loss. It's not like they have to put a lot of effort into it. They
don't need to go out looking for them. All they have to do is intervene
when they see someone taking one. They would only have to lay a few
charges before people caught on that it is not okay.




The cart

would be collected by the city and returned to the store (or picked up
by the store) but not by the police. Trash pickup.

Why would the city want to be burdened with the cost of returning stolen shopping carts? Impose fines on the people they catch and use earmark
that to be used to recoup the cost of returning the stolen carts.

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