• 3000 types of tea?

    From melissa.mstyn@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 03:03:27 2017
    much thanks for this discussion. came across as part of research i'm doing on tea and trying to find some validity to the 3,000 varieties statement - still as vague in 2017 as it was in 2003

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to melissa.mstyn@gmail.com on Thu Nov 23 09:45:37 2017
    <melissa.mstyn@gmail.com> wrote:
    much thanks for this discussion. came across as part of research i'm doing on tea and trying to find some validity to the 3,000 varieties statement - still as vague in 2017 as it was in 2003

    What is a "variety?"

    You have individual plant varieties (and the plants are clones these days
    so just about any genetic variation can be considered a different variety.
    You have terroir, encompassing soil and climate. And you have processing.

    In Ceylon most of the tea plants are very closely related genetically and
    you would not be stretching TOO far to call them all the same variety of
    plant. But the tea grown in kandy and the tea grown at higher altitudes
    in nuwara eliya are totally different, due to the different terroir.

    Traditionally teas grown in Assam have been fully withered and processed
    into orthodox black teas. A number of growers are trying to use different processing (more typical of Chinese growers) to make green teas. The end result is very strange to my mouth, plants bred to make tea for processing
    as black tea but processed into a green tea.

    Likewise the Japanese have recently been taking tea gardens planted with traditional plant varieties intended to make green teas, and processing them
    to make small quantities of black tea. The end result is totally different than traditional black teas from China or India, totally different than
    green teas from Japan. They are their own thing.

    So... maybe there are 3,000 varieties of plant. I don't know if that's true but it could be possible.

    Maybe there are 3,000 traditional varieties of processed tea. I don't know
    if that's true either, but traditionally each variety of plant has been bred for specific kinds of processing so there are likely few more traditional varieties of tea than of plant.

    Maybe there are 3,000 modern varieties of processed tea. Considering that people are now mixing different processing types on the same source plants, that dramatically extends the number of possible varieties.

    So what is a variety? I can pick three darjeelings and they are all
    different. One's a first flush that is nearly green, another is a second
    flush that is nearly green, and the third is a second flush that has been
    more darkly processed. They all come off the same tea plants. Are they different varieties? They all taste very different from one another.

    It's not simple and that's another reason to like tea.
    --scott
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    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Lewis Perin@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Nov 24 15:45:10 2017
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

    <melissa.mstyn@gmail.com> wrote:
    much thanks for this discussion. came across as part of research i'm
    doing on tea and trying to find some validity to the 3,000 varieties
    statement - still as vague in 2017 as it was in 2003

    What is a "variety?"

    You have individual plant varieties (and the plants are clones these days
    so just about any genetic variation can be considered a different variety. >You have terroir, encompassing soil and climate. And you have processing.

    In Ceylon most of the tea plants are very closely related genetically and
    you would not be stretching TOO far to call them all the same variety of >plant. But the tea grown in kandy and the tea grown at higher altitudes
    in nuwara eliya are totally different, due to the different terroir.

    Traditionally teas grown in Assam have been fully withered and processed
    into orthodox black teas.

    ...and CTC black teas.

    A number of growers are trying to use different processing (more
    typical of Chinese growers) to make green teas. The end result is very >strange to my mouth, plants bred to make tea for processing as black
    tea but processed into a green tea.

    Likewise the Japanese have recently been taking tea gardens planted with >traditional plant varieties intended to make green teas, and processing them >to make small quantities of black tea. The end result is totally different >than traditional black teas from China or India, totally different than
    green teas from Japan. They are their own thing.

    So... maybe there are 3,000 varieties of plant. I don't know if that's true >but it could be possible.

    Maybe there are 3,000 traditional varieties of processed tea. I don't know >if that's true either, but traditionally each variety of plant has been bred >for specific kinds of processing so there are likely few more traditional >varieties of tea than of plant.

    Maybe there are 3,000 modern varieties of processed tea. Considering that >people are now mixing different processing types on the same source plants, >that dramatically extends the number of possible varieties.

    So what is a variety? I can pick three darjeelings and they are all >different. One's a first flush that is nearly green, another is a second >flush that is nearly green, and the third is a second flush that has been >more darkly processed. They all come off the same tea plants. Are they >different varieties? They all taste very different from one another.

    And different plucking standards applied to the same plants can yield
    very different teas, e.g. Silver Needle, White Peony, etc. And there
    are many, many different manufacturing styles within a single genre like
    green tea. And how many traditional genres are there? Maybe six, maybe
    more, depending on how you think of it.

    It's not simple and that's another reason to like tea.

    Indeed.

    /Lew
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    Lew Perin / perin@acm.org
    http://babelcarp.org

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