• What lumber to use for horse fencing?

    From Tricolor.Pinto@unlisted.---@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 3 18:53:56 2015
    Having had horses for many years, I learned long ago, that fences built
    from common pine or fir lumber from the lumberyard is not for horses. It
    seems they almost enjoy eating it. Not to mention it rots quickly if
    it's not treated. And treated lumber contains harmful chemicals, so I
    wont use it around horses. (They chew it too).

    In recent years, I have not built any wooden fences. I use either
    electric fences, cattle panels, or barbless wire.

    I have had horses that will "bolt thru" an electric fence, and cattle
    panels tend to get pushed down when they reach over it for "the stuff
    that's always greener on the other side". Barbless is not 100% stable
    either, and it's a pain to install and repair, and when trees fall on
    it, it's a huge mess.

    Anyhow, Come Spring, I'm planning to fence in a section of my land I
    have not used for the horses in the past. Because it's near the road, I
    want to install a solid board fence along the road, then put a strand of electric on top.

    But I'm trying to determine what wood to use that the horses wont chew
    up, and also will hold up for years without rotting quickly. Of course
    cost is a consideration too. (There is a local sawmill, where I can have
    the boards made, if I can obtain the logs).

    I should mention that I'm in the upper midwest USA.

    Any suggestions ????

    Thanks in advance.

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  • From John Hasler@21:1/5 to Tricolor.Pinto on Thu Dec 3 19:15:38 2015
    Tricolor.Pinto writes:
    I have had horses that will "bolt thru" an electric fence...

    You need a better fence charger. Get big one with a picture of a bull on
    it that says "Drives 100 Miles of Fence!", "Low Impedence!", and "Six
    Joules!".

    But I'm trying to determine what wood to use that the horses wont chew
    up...

    There is none. Put a hotwire just above and in front of the top edge of
    each board.
    --
    John Hasler Boarding, Lessons, Training john@dancinghorsehill.com Hay, Jumps, Cavallox
    Dancing Horse Hill
    Elmwood, WI USA

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  • From Don Bruder@21:1/5 to Tricolor.Pinto@unlisted.--- on Thu Dec 3 17:43:57 2015
    In article <64o16b18fte1f23qopejg4ebd9u8uu9uaf@4ax.com>,
    Tricolor.Pinto@unlisted.--- wrote:

    Having had horses for many years, I learned long ago, that fences built
    from common pine or fir lumber from the lumberyard is not for horses. It seems they almost enjoy eating it. Not to mention it rots quickly if
    it's not treated. And treated lumber contains harmful chemicals, so I
    wont use it around horses. (They chew it too).

    In recent years, I have not built any wooden fences. I use either
    electric fences, cattle panels, or barbless wire.

    I have had horses that will "bolt thru" an electric fence, and cattle
    panels tend to get pushed down when they reach over it for "the stuff
    that's always greener on the other side". Barbless is not 100% stable
    either, and it's a pain to install and repair, and when trees fall on
    it, it's a huge mess.

    That tells me you're not using your hot wire properly... More in a
    moment.

    Anyhow, Come Spring, I'm planning to fence in a section of my land I
    have not used for the horses in the past. Because it's near the road, I
    want to install a solid board fence along the road, then put a strand of electric on top.

    No, no, No, NO! And NO again! And if that isn't clear enough, ***NO***, dammit!!!

    Toss that idea straight out the window and never even think about it
    again! EVER! For ANY reason! A lone hot wire on the top rail is
    ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS! You might as well not put up a fence at all if
    that's what you intend to do.

    Build your fence out of whatever material - wood, vinyl, hog panels,
    cattle rails, or even PVC pipe - floats your boat. If it's wood or
    plastic, make it AT LEAST three rails. Then put your hot wire up so that
    it runs NO MORE THAN two inches above *EACH* rail. If you go for a
    rail-count that leaves wide (big enough for a horse to put its head
    through) gaps, add ANOTHER hot wire halfway between each pair of rails,
    so that if a horse wants to try putting its head through, it has to hit
    at least one hot wire in the process. Whether you've got big gaps or
    not, add a hot wire on long standoff insulators (At least 4 inches, 6 is better) at a height suitable to hit your horses where the neck meets the
    chest to stop "leaning over" or "butt scratching" activities before they
    start.

    Almost as crucial (some will say more, and I really can't find a way to disagree with them) is the ground system for your fence charger. It
    *MUST* be *VERY* well grounded if you want it to work as it should. Half
    a dozen 8 or 10 foot ground rods, pounded to full length into the
    ground, then wired together and back to the ground terminal of your
    charger aren't too much. In some places, you want a dozen or more - soil conditions are the determining factor. It's possible to get away with a
    single ground rod in certain areas - consistently moist, sandy/loamy
    dirt, basically. Anywhere else, go with no less than three ground rods,
    and in general, "more is better" - In terms of fence performance, it
    simply isn't possible to sink "too many" ground rods.

    On the other hand, put in a half-assed ground system, and you're going
    to get a half-assed result - at best.

    Hot wire is (comparatively speaking) cheap. Don't be shy about using it!
    And fergawdsake DO NOT go for the "looks good on paper" approach of just running a lone hot wire on top.

    Despite what many people seem to think, hot wire *IS NOT* a "primary containment method" for horses. (or any other livestock, really)

    The reality is that hot wire is for keeping the critters parked inside a
    "real" fence from eating, knocking down, rubbing against, or otherwise
    making *ANY* contact with the wood, metal, plastic, or whatever material
    you use to build the actual fence. Ideally, hot wire will teach the
    critter in it that the fence is *EVIL*, *SCARY*, *PAINFUL*, and *NOT TO
    BE TOUCHED FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER*. A properly built board plus hot
    wire fence will often show a "trail" on the inside - Usually a foot or
    two away from the fence, showing where the critters in the fence won't
    even *TRY* to graze, no matter how lush the grass might be. Which is
    precisely how it should be!

    --
    Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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  • From Brian Whatcott@21:1/5 to Tricolor.Pinto@unlisted.--- on Sun Jul 10 19:20:03 2016
    Four months later:
    Cedar is well regarded but expensive.

    Brian W

    On 12/3/2015 6:53 PM, Tricolor.Pinto@unlisted.--- wrote:
    Having had horses for many years, I learned long ago, that fences built
    from common pine or fir lumber from the lumberyard is not for horses. It seems they almost enjoy eating it. Not to mention it rots quickly if
    it's not treated. And treated lumber contains harmful chemicals, so I
    wont use it around horses. (They chew it too).

    In recent years, I have not built any wooden fences. I use either
    electric fences, cattle panels, or barbless wire.

    I have had horses that will "bolt thru" an electric fence, and cattle
    panels tend to get pushed down when they reach over it for "the stuff
    that's always greener on the other side". Barbless is not 100% stable
    either, and it's a pain to install and repair, and when trees fall on
    it, it's a huge mess.

    Anyhow, Come Spring, I'm planning to fence in a section of my land I
    have not used for the horses in the past. Because it's near the road, I
    want to install a solid board fence along the road, then put a strand of electric on top.

    But I'm trying to determine what wood to use that the horses wont chew
    up, and also will hold up for years without rotting quickly. Of course
    cost is a consideration too. (There is a local sawmill, where I can have
    the boards made, if I can obtain the logs).

    I should mention that I'm in the upper midwest USA.

    Any suggestions ????

    Thanks in advance.



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