• Which would you buy (if either)

    From Brian Christiansen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 11 08:46:20 2018
    One of my sewing machines is a New Home 445 from the early 60's (I
    think). I was messing around on ebay (just looking at the listings, not
    really "shopping" for anything). Well,anyway, there were 2 listings for
    New home 445's on it (there were actually more than that, I think, but I
    am just gonna talk about the 1st 2 I found). First let me describe and
    link to both listings.

    This is the first: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NEW-HOME-Janome-Sewing-Machine-Model-445-Japan/273197826266?hash=item3f9bdc00da:g:z9YAAOSwMLha72~-.
    The opening bid for it is 19.99, and the "buy it now price" is 49.99.
    If it is in working order, I think that is a very good price for what I
    think is a very solid, stable machine.

    However, the shipping on it is $71 for standard and $77 for expedited
    shipping. It also does not come with a foot pedal or any other
    accessories. For instance, if you want the cams that come with it, you
    need to buy those separately, and I found a set of those as well for
    $20+S&H. If you want a manual or more(such as a zipper foot, case,
    whatever), you would have to buy all that as well. At the very least
    you would have to buy a foot pedal for it, which, a cost from 20 to 30
    dollars.

    The listing also says that the only "testing" that has been done on it
    is that the needle goes up and down when the hand wheel is turned, so it probably needs to be taken to a sew and vac shop such as Cathey's for servicing.

    So, you could easily spend well over 100 dollars (just the machine +
    shipping + foot pedal + servicing, the minimum needed, is over $100 and
    could be close to $200 depending on the cost of servicing). Even after
    all of that you are not guaranteed a working machine, though I think
    that the 445 is a solidly built machine (at least the one I have is) and
    I think the actual risk is fairly small.

    The other listing is: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Janome-New-Home-445-Sewing-Machine-Teal-Blue-w-Case-Japan/272915773062?hash=item3f8b0c3686:g:ZP4AAOSwE-lZ~myv.

    It appears to have just a "buy it now price" of $139.99 (there is no
    place to enter a bid, so it is perhaps an item that is not being
    auctioned), and is a more "complete" machine with a case(or at least the listing says it has one), a foot pedal, a manual, and an accessories box (though what it contains, spare needles, extra presser feet, whatever,
    it does not say, but I don't think it is "just the box").

    The listing also says that the only testing that has been done is that
    the needle moves up and don when the foot pedal is pressed, it was not
    tested to see if it actually sews, but again, I suspect it does. It
    also says that it probably should be serviced, and that the shipping
    cost is $82.18, at least to where I live.

    Therefore, the total minimum price is 139(machine) + 82.18(shipping) +?(servicing) for a price of I would guess of about 250 to 300 dollars.

    The first machine costs less, at least if you get the absolute minimum required, though it might cost just as much if you get extra presser
    feet, find some kind of case that will work, etc. The second machine
    costs a bit more if you get the the absolute minimum, but the absolute
    minimum is a "complete" machine (with foot pedal, carrying case, and
    manual).

    I suppose on either one you are taking some risk on spending all that
    money and getting a non-working machine, but since the 445 is a solid
    well built machine (at least mine is), I really don't think the risk is
    that high.

    So, I guess after all that, which one, if either, would you buy if you
    were in the market for a vintage machine, would you look at more
    entries, would you look for one that has actually been tested in actual
    sewing before buying one online, or what.

    Now that I think about it while typing this message out, if I were in
    the market for a vintage machine, I would want to try and find a machine
    that had been tested in actual sewing.


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  • From sandydollar2015@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 22 08:05:07 2018
    I have done anything like this before so unable to help that way but have you gone on to www.amazon.com and ask to see Janome sewing machines. This is where I have brought 3 sewing machines. Check them out.
    Sandy$

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  • From Brian Christiansen@21:1/5 to sandydollar2015@gmail.com on Sat Jun 2 17:43:37 2018
    On 05/22/2018 08:05 AM, sandydollar2015@gmail.com wrote:
    I have done anything like this before so unable to help that way but have you gone on to www.amazon.com and ask to see Janome sewing machines. This is where I have brought 3 sewing machines. Check them out.
    Sandy$


    Hmmm...I would have thought the phrases "One of my sewing machines is a
    New Home 445 from the early 60's" and "just looking at the listings, not
    really "shopping" for anything" and "if I were in the market for a
    vintage machine" would very strongly indicate that I asked the question
    out of sort of an intellectual curiosity, and that I am not currently in
    the market for a sewing machine, vintage or otherwise.

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    got to every couple of months to empty out, and anything sent to it will
    not be seen for probably several months, if it is seen at all.
    Brian Christiansen

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