"Joe Gwinn" wrote in message >news:gg5bogpdsi9f84qtg0epvpn32vmhil563i@4ax.com...
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If it turns out that someone did slip a live (meaning with a lead
bullet and powder) round into the pistol that Alex Baldwin later used
on set, whoever meddled with that pistol will likely be charged with >first-degree murder, unless the law cannot figure out and prove beyond
a reasonable doubt who did it.
Joe Gwinn
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In the US, there is no single set of terms for the kinds of homicide.
The federal government has one set, and each state has its own. They
are very similar in principle, but are not identical, and may be named
and worded quite differently.
Most of US law evolved from English Law, except for the Louisiana
Purchase states, which instead evolved from the Napoleonic Code of
France. New Mexico law likely evolved from English Law.
Not all kinds of homicide are considered murder. The main kinds (by
whatever name) are as follows (by some old definition from
California?):
First-degree Murder, for which one could be executed. Requires the
action and the intent to kill someone, with success. It is not
necessary to have had a specific person in mind. The classic examples
are shooting into a crowd, or setting off a bomb - it's quite likely
that someone will die, no matter who was unlucky that day.
It's Attempted Murder if intended but no success - it's the thought
that counts.
Second-degree Murder, also known in some states as negligent homicide. >Requires action, but no intent to kill, but with success. This is the >typical charge when an automobile accident leads to a death. Another
example is an industrial accident.
There is no such thing as attempted second-degree murder, for lack of >murderous intent.
Accidents leading to injury but not death are handled by Tort Law, not >Criminal Law, unless it is proven that the "accident" causing
crippling was in fact intentional, leading to a charge of injury with
intent to maim or the like.
There are some kinds of intentional homicide that are not crimes. The >classic example is self-defense.
In the case of Alex Baldwin shooting two people, killing one of them,
he had no intent to even fire a live round, never mind killing anyone,
so it is unclear that he will be charged with anything criminal.
The Armorer and the Assistant Director may have been sloppy (this is >disputed), but even if true, that's at most second-degree murder. I'd
hazard that the Assistant Director is the likely focus, not the
24-year old Armorer, who reports to that Assistant Director.
If it turns out that someone did slip a live (meaning with a lead
bullet and powder) round into the pistol that Alex Baldwin later used
on set, whoever meddled with that pistol will likely be charged with >first-degree murder, unless the law cannot figure out and prove beyond
a reasonable doubt who did it.
Joe Gwinn
On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 17:19:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
In the US, there is no single set of terms for the kinds of homicide.
The federal government has one set, and each state has its own. They
are very similar in principle, but are not identical, and may be named
and worded quite differently.
Most of US law evolved from English Law, except for the Louisiana
Purchase states, which instead evolved from the Napoleonic Code of
France. New Mexico law likely evolved from English Law.
Not all kinds of homicide are considered murder. The main kinds (by >>whatever name) are as follows (by some old definition from
California?):
First-degree Murder, for which one could be executed. Requires the
action and the intent to kill someone, with success. It is not
necessary to have had a specific person in mind. The classic examples
are shooting into a crowd, or setting off a bomb - it's quite likely
that someone will die, no matter who was unlucky that day.
It's Attempted Murder if intended but no success - it's the thought
that counts.
Second-degree Murder, also known in some states as negligent homicide. >>Requires action, but no intent to kill, but with success. This is the >>typical charge when an automobile accident leads to a death. Another >>example is an industrial accident.
There is no such thing as attempted second-degree murder, for lack of >>murderous intent.
Accidents leading to injury but not death are handled by Tort Law, not >>Criminal Law, unless it is proven that the "accident" causing
crippling was in fact intentional, leading to a charge of injury with >>intent to maim or the like.
There are some kinds of intentional homicide that are not crimes. The >>classic example is self-defense.
In the case of Alex Baldwin shooting two people, killing one of them,
he had no intent to even fire a live round, never mind killing anyone,
so it is unclear that he will be charged with anything criminal.
The Armorer and the Assistant Director may have been sloppy (this is >>disputed), but even if true, that's at most second-degree murder. I'd >>hazard that the Assistant Director is the likely focus, not the
24-year old Armorer, who reports to that Assistant Director.
If it turns out that someone did slip a live (meaning with a lead
bullet and powder) round into the pistol that Alex Baldwin later used
on set, whoever meddled with that pistol will likely be charged with >>first-degree murder, unless the law cannot figure out and prove beyond
a reasonable doubt who did it.
Joe Gwinn
What I find totally unbelievable is....
1.Why there was a real gun on set? It was a real gun, not a "prop"
gun.
2. Why was there live ammo on set?
On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 11:42:52 -0500, randy333@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 17:19:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
In the US, there is no single set of terms for the kinds of homicide.
The federal government has one set, and each state has its own. They
are very similar in principle, but are not identical, and may be named >>>and worded quite differently.
Most of US law evolved from English Law, except for the Louisiana >>>Purchase states, which instead evolved from the Napoleonic Code of >>>France. New Mexico law likely evolved from English Law.
Not all kinds of homicide are considered murder. The main kinds (by >>>whatever name) are as follows (by some old definition from
California?):
First-degree Murder, for which one could be executed. Requires the >>>action and the intent to kill someone, with success. It is not
necessary to have had a specific person in mind. The classic examples >>>are shooting into a crowd, or setting off a bomb - it's quite likely
that someone will die, no matter who was unlucky that day.
It's Attempted Murder if intended but no success - it's the thought
that counts.
Second-degree Murder, also known in some states as negligent homicide. >>>Requires action, but no intent to kill, but with success. This is the >>>typical charge when an automobile accident leads to a death. Another >>>example is an industrial accident.
There is no such thing as attempted second-degree murder, for lack of >>>murderous intent.
Accidents leading to injury but not death are handled by Tort Law, not >>>Criminal Law, unless it is proven that the "accident" causing
crippling was in fact intentional, leading to a charge of injury with >>>intent to maim or the like.
There are some kinds of intentional homicide that are not crimes. The >>>classic example is self-defense.
In the case of Alex Baldwin shooting two people, killing one of them,
he had no intent to even fire a live round, never mind killing anyone,
so it is unclear that he will be charged with anything criminal.
The Armorer and the Assistant Director may have been sloppy (this is >>>disputed), but even if true, that's at most second-degree murder. I'd >>>hazard that the Assistant Director is the likely focus, not the
24-year old Armorer, who reports to that Assistant Director.
If it turns out that someone did slip a live (meaning with a lead
bullet and powder) round into the pistol that Alex Baldwin later used
on set, whoever meddled with that pistol will likely be charged with >>>first-degree murder, unless the law cannot figure out and prove beyond
a reasonable doubt who did it.
Joe Gwinn
What I find totally unbelievable is....
1.Why there was a real gun on set? It was a real gun, not a "prop"
gun.
Real guns look realistic in close shots. Prop guns look OK only at a >distance.
2. Why was there live ammo on set?
That is the big question. A lot of people with badges are digging
into that. Stay tuned.
Joe Gwinn
On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 16:45:53 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 11:42:52 -0500, randy333@aol.com wrote:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 17:19:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>wrote:
In the US, there is no single set of terms for the kinds of homicide. >>>>The federal government has one set, and each state has its own. They >>>>are very similar in principle, but are not identical, and may be named >>>>and worded quite differently.
Most of US law evolved from English Law, except for the Louisiana >>>>Purchase states, which instead evolved from the Napoleonic Code of >>>>France. New Mexico law likely evolved from English Law.
Not all kinds of homicide are considered murder. The main kinds (by >>>>whatever name) are as follows (by some old definition from >>>>California?):
First-degree Murder, for which one could be executed. Requires the >>>>action and the intent to kill someone, with success. It is not >>>>necessary to have had a specific person in mind. The classic examples >>>>are shooting into a crowd, or setting off a bomb - it's quite likely >>>>that someone will die, no matter who was unlucky that day.
It's Attempted Murder if intended but no success - it's the thought >>>>that counts.
Second-degree Murder, also known in some states as negligent homicide. >>>>Requires action, but no intent to kill, but with success. This is the >>>>typical charge when an automobile accident leads to a death. Another >>>>example is an industrial accident.
There is no such thing as attempted second-degree murder, for lack of >>>>murderous intent.
Accidents leading to injury but not death are handled by Tort Law, not >>>>Criminal Law, unless it is proven that the "accident" causing
crippling was in fact intentional, leading to a charge of injury with >>>>intent to maim or the like.
There are some kinds of intentional homicide that are not crimes. The >>>>classic example is self-defense.
In the case of Alex Baldwin shooting two people, killing one of them, >>>>he had no intent to even fire a live round, never mind killing anyone, >>>>so it is unclear that he will be charged with anything criminal.
The Armorer and the Assistant Director may have been sloppy (this is >>>>disputed), but even if true, that's at most second-degree murder. I'd >>>>hazard that the Assistant Director is the likely focus, not the
24-year old Armorer, who reports to that Assistant Director.
If it turns out that someone did slip a live (meaning with a lead >>>>bullet and powder) round into the pistol that Alex Baldwin later used >>>>on set, whoever meddled with that pistol will likely be charged with >>>>first-degree murder, unless the law cannot figure out and prove beyond >>>>a reasonable doubt who did it.
Joe Gwinn
What I find totally unbelievable is....
1.Why there was a real gun on set? It was a real gun, not a "prop"
gun.
Real guns look realistic in close shots. Prop guns look OK only at a >>distance.
I always thought that "prop" guns were either non-firing replicas or
real guns modified so that they cannot hold a real live round. Blanks
are shorter than real rounds and the chamber can be blocked so a live
round does not go in.
Barrels can be obstructed too. A sub caliber hole will still let
flash and smoke out, but will stop a bullet, possibly with destructive >results to the gun, better than a bullet traveling a mile or more
until it hits something.
Huge budgets, but save $500 and use a real unmodified gun. ?????
I knew real guns were used in the early days maybe even to the 50's. >Hollywood would hire marksmen to shoot near actors to get the bullet
strike and wood splinters flying effect. I thought the use of all
real guns was banned way back when. I can't remember if the show I
watched said anything about that, I think it a special on stuntmen.
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