• Adhering other metal molts to sheet iron

    From Colin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 23 20:18:02 2021
    Hi there, I'm trying to find if I can drop molten metals onto metal sheet, I'm thinking aluminum or copper on to an iron sheet and have them adhear? Any help and guidance much appreciated

    who knows

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 23 18:01:27 2021
    "Colin" wrote in message news:169e08e2311e887a$1$1249989$4296da03@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi there, I'm trying to find if I can drop molten metals onto metal sheet,
    I'm
    thinking aluminum or copper on to an iron sheet and have them adhear? Any
    help
    and guidance much appreciated

    who knows

    --
    for full context, visit https://www.polytechforum.com/metalworking/adhering-other-metal-molts-to-sheet-iron-652182-.htm

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    Combinations that can be joined by brazing might work if protected from
    oxygen by flux, inert shielding gas or a reducing flame, however in air the oxide keeps copper from sticking to iron and vice versa. https://itstillruns.com/welders-helper-copper-weld-spoon-4821642.html

    Even blobs of molten steel don't always stick very hard to the hot metal
    around the weld. I can usually chip them off with a chisel. https://weldingtroop.com/weld-spatter/
    In the title picture the blobs that stick tight are low domes instead of
    balls.

    I TIG welded a corrosion cell pinhole in a cheap (Walmart) stainless steel kettle by resting the hole on a supported piece of copper pipe scrap. The
    area is discolored but watertight. Though I wouldn't cook food in it, the repair is fine for heating laundry water on the wood stove.

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  • From James Waldby@21:1/5 to Corvid on Mon Aug 23 23:02:01 2021
    Corvid <bl@ckbirds.net> wrote:
    On 8/23/21 3:01 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Colin"  wrote in message
    news:169e08e2311e887a$1$1249989$4296da03@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi there, I'm trying to find if I can drop molten metals onto metal
    sheet, I'm
    thinking aluminum or copper on to an iron sheet and have them adhear?
    Any help
    and guidance much appreciated

    who knows

    And what did Jim write???

    If he'd snipped Colin's sig line, instead of adding his own text below
    it, it would be here in Thunderbird's compose window.

    And before this, it would have shown in dark, crisp text in T'bird's
    messsage pane, instead of the same pale gray as Colin's sig.

    I didn't bother trying to read it.

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also. His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply. Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

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  • From Corvid@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Aug 23 15:41:43 2021
    On 8/23/21 3:01 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Colin"  wrote in message news:169e08e2311e887a$1$1249989$4296da03@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi there, I'm trying to find if I can drop molten metals onto metal
    sheet, I'm
    thinking aluminum or copper on to an iron sheet and have them adhear?
    Any help
    and guidance much appreciated

    who knows

    And what did Jim write???

    If he'd snipped Colin's sig line, instead of adding his own text below
    it, it would be here in Thunderbird's compose window.

    And before this, it would have shown in dark, crisp text in T'bird's
    messsage pane, instead of the same pale gray as Colin's sig.

    I didn't bother trying to read it.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Corvid on Tue Aug 24 01:08:33 2021
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    Subject: Re: Adhering other metal molts to sheet iron
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    On 8/23/21 3:01 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Colin"¶ÿ wrote in message
    news:169e08e2311e887a$1$1249989$4296da03@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi there, I'm trying to find if I can drop molten metals onto metal
    sheet, I'm
    thinking aluminum or copper on to an iron sheet and have them adhear?
    Any help
    and guidance much appreciated

    who knows

    And what did Jim write???

    If he'd snipped Colin's sig line, instead of adding his own text below
    it, it would be here in Thunderbird's compose window.

    And before this, it would have shown in dark, crisp text in T'bird's
    messsage pane, instead of the same pale gray as Colin's sig.

    I didn't bother trying to read it.



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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Aug 24 02:11:19 2021
    On 24/08/2021 01:21, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "James Waldby"  wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also.  His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply.  Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able to
    change how Live Mail handles my postings. I tried Thunderbird first
    but couldn't get it to work with the Eternal September newsreader.

    How much do you expect from a "broken" (and fixed) $5 fleamarket
    laptop running W7?  I'm not going to pay to be abused when I try to help.

    What do you mean by 'Eternal September newsreader' as I'm posting this
    reply using Thunderbird and Linux with Eternal September and have never
    had any issues except I've always noted the display problems with your
    postings being greyed but still readable.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 23 20:21:14 2021
    "James Waldby" wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also. His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply. Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able to
    change how Live Mail handles my postings. I tried Thunderbird first but couldn't get it to work with the Eternal September newsreader.

    How much do you expect from a "broken" (and fixed) $5 fleamarket laptop
    running W7? I'm not going to pay to be abused when I try to help.

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  • From Clifford Heath@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Aug 24 12:47:20 2021
    On 24/8/21 10:21 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "James Waldby"  wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also.  His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply.  Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able to
    change how Live Mail handles my postings

    All you have to do is to delete or indent any line in the quoted text
    that starts with two minus signs. That's the marker that says "my
    signature block starts here". You don't have to change newsreader to do
    that - just try to remember to do it.

    CH

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  • From James Waldby@21:1/5 to David Billington on Tue Aug 24 02:55:16 2021
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 01:21, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "James Waldby"  wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also.  His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply.  Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able to
    change how Live Mail handles my postings. I tried Thunderbird first
    but couldn't get it to work with the Eternal September newsreader.

    How much do you expect from a "broken" (and fixed) $5 fleamarket
    laptop running W7?  I'm not going to pay to be abused when I try to help.

    I don't think anyone's ever had to pay to be abused in the news
    groups, that's always been provided free.

    $5 fixable laptop sounds ok, probably worth the electricity to run it
    if it stays virus free and isn't too sluggish and has an ok screen and keyboard.

    What do you mean by 'Eternal September newsreader' as I'm posting this
    reply using Thunderbird and Linux with Eternal September and have never
    had any issues except I've always noted the display problems with your postings being greyed but still readable.

    It's interesting you got Thunderbird / Linux / Eternal September to
    work ok. I tried that combination a year ago, and don't remember
    specific problems with it except maybe kill files didn't work? With
    Pan, kill files work ok (so I use it to read news) but for the past
    year it's had posting authentication problems and I use Tin to post.
    Tin is supposed to have kill files and scoring which I set up but they
    seem to do nothing.

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  • From Corvid@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Aug 23 22:00:49 2021
    On 8/23/21 5:21 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "James Waldby" wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also. His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply. Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the
    signature text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able
    to change how Live Mail handles my postings. I tried Thunderbird
    first but couldn't get it to work with the Eternal September
    newsreader.

    How much do you expect from a "broken" (and fixed) $5 fleamarket
    laptop running W7? I'm not going to pay to be abused when I try to
    help.

    It's the dash-dash-space thing, which says everything that follows is a
    sig. You could put your text ABOVE the dash-dash-space thing, and it
    wouldn't get stripped away. Or just delete the dash-dash-space thing.

    No abuse intended.
    I almost always read your posts, and I'm hoping you'll make this small
    change. This monitor that I'm using is a crummy TN panel, with bad color
    shift when things aren't close to screen center. Your post, in faded
    gray along the bottom, almost disappears into the background.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 06:40:24 2021
    "Clifford Heath" wrote in message news:169e1e208e4e1424$1$1381457$64dd6e6a@news.thecubenet.com...

    On 24/8/21 10:21 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    All you have to do is to delete or indent any line in the quoted text
    that starts with two minus signs. That's the marker that says "my
    signature block starts here". You don't have to change newsreader to do
    that - just try to remember to do it.

    CH

    ------------------------

    Thanks for providing a definite solution instead of just complaining. I've
    done that a few times but never received any feedback on how it works on others' newsreaders.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to James Waldby on Tue Aug 24 14:01:41 2021
    On 24/08/2021 03:55, James Waldby wrote:
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 01:21, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "James Waldby"  wrote in message news:sg19d9$b09$1@dont-email.me...
    ...

    I've seen that problem with Jim's posts also.  His `Microsoft Windows
    Live Mail` newsreader probably is set up incorrectly, or of course
    might not conform to newsgroup standards, or he might be pushing the
    wrong buttons to start a reply.  Anyhow, some newsreaders (eg Tin)
    show signature text (which is where his text shows up) automatically,
    and some (eg Pan) can be set up to not automatically cut the signature
    text.

    -----------------------------

    Whatever the issue, I haven't found a menu choice that appears able to
    change how Live Mail handles my postings. I tried Thunderbird first
    but couldn't get it to work with the Eternal September newsreader.

    How much do you expect from a "broken" (and fixed) $5 fleamarket
    laptop running W7?  I'm not going to pay to be abused when I try to help.
    I don't think anyone's ever had to pay to be abused in the news
    groups, that's always been provided free.

    $5 fixable laptop sounds ok, probably worth the electricity to run it
    if it stays virus free and isn't too sluggish and has an ok screen and keyboard.

    What do you mean by 'Eternal September newsreader' as I'm posting this
    reply using Thunderbird and Linux with Eternal September and have never
    had any issues except I've always noted the display problems with your
    postings being greyed but still readable.
    It's interesting you got Thunderbird / Linux / Eternal September to
    work ok. I tried that combination a year ago, and don't remember
    specific problems with it except maybe kill files didn't work? With
    Pan, kill files work ok (so I use it to read news) but for the past
    year it's had posting authentication problems and I use Tin to post.
    Tin is supposed to have kill files and scoring which I set up but they
    seem to do nothing.

    My ISP dropped usenet support back in 2014 and I just switched over to
    ES no problem whatsoever with Thunderbird, I haven't found anything that doesn't work. Killfiles work fine or RCM would be intolerable.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 08:30:44 2021
    "James Waldby" wrote in message news:sg1n2k$dtm$1@dont-email.me...

    $5 fixable laptop sounds ok, probably worth the electricity to run it
    if it stays virus free and isn't too sluggish and has an ok screen and keyboard.

    It's interesting you [DB] got Thunderbird / Linux / Eternal September to
    work ok. I tried that combination a year ago, and don't remember
    specific problems with it except maybe kill files didn't work? With
    Pan, kill files work ok (so I use it to read news) but for the past
    year it's had posting authentication problems and I use Tin to post.
    Tin is supposed to have kill files and scoring which I set up but they
    seem to do nothing.

    -----------------------------

    The $5 laptop is a Dell D630, a high end business model from ~2010, with a
    2.4 GHz Penryn CPU and mobo graphics that don't overheat like the Nvidia 'upgrade'. For what I do its Internet performance is no worse than my newer
    i5 Lenovo running W10. The keyboard is a Logitech K360 on the desk's
    pull-out shelf and I view applications on a 19" external display, leaving
    the built-in screen for controls and status and composing responses to
    messages shown on the 19".

    It's a comfortable and convenient setup for daily use and along with a
    similar HDTV-recording laptop and 22" TV/monitor beside it, all I need to display multiple pages of instructions and spreadsheets when I do my taxes.
    The spreadsheets are my automation of the tax forms though I file what my sister the tax accountant gets from her program. For the last few years the results have matched.

    My most compute-intensive task is receiving, playing and recording two off-the-air TV shows at once, for which a 2.0 GHz Dual Core CPU is quite adequate. These older, thicker laptops accept a second 1 TB spinning hard
    drive to store video while booting from an SSD. Their only real weakness is short battery life but it's long enough to coast through glitches or switch
    to the solar backup. ExpressCard USB3 is fast enough to keep up with
    external backup drives.

    Unfortunately there isn't a really good alternative here to $200/month
    Xfinity for Internet access and W10 updates would rapidly consume the 2
    GB/mo I get from a cellular ISP.

    The problem with Thunderbird was configuring it (or W7) to log into the ES account, though it did connect on an older computer. I bashed on TB and WLM
    in parallel and WLM succeeded first.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 09:07:09 2021
    "Corvid" wrote in message news:sg1ue2$lq2$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    It's the dash-dash-space thing, which says everything that follows is a
    sig. You could put your text ABOVE the dash-dash-space thing, and it
    wouldn't get stripped away. Or just delete the dash-dash-space thing.

    No abuse intended.
    I almost always read your posts, and I'm hoping you'll make this small
    change. This monitor that I'm using is a crummy TN panel, with bad color
    shift when things aren't close to screen center. Your post, in faded
    gray along the bottom, almost disappears into the background.

    ---------------------

    I'll try to remember that, sometimes composing the response distracts me
    from editing the original.

    I've settled on a useful computer and electronics bench setup with two removable laptops on the static mat desktop, 19" and 22" extended displays
    for them plus an Altec sound system filling the upper shelf, and a wireless keyboard on the pull-out drawer. The Logitech K360 is narrow enough to fit
    the mouse pad beside it. The other components are too old to recommend.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 09:27:34 2021
    "David Billington" wrote in message news:sg2qjm$t2p$1@dont-email.me...

    My ISP dropped usenet support back in 2014 and I just switched over to
    ES no problem whatsoever with Thunderbird, I haven't found anything that doesn't work. Killfiles work fine or RCM would be intolerable.

    -------------------------------

    TB worked for me on a cloned hard drive in a scratch computer as a test but
    not when I installed it on the intended machine which was fully updated and
    has different hardware. WLM is adequate so I didn't risk tinkering further
    with the good computer. I save Acronis backups of C: but don't fully trust them.

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