• Re: Diamond disappointment

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Mon May 22 13:39:03 2023
    On 5/7/2023 1:56 PM, Snag wrote:
     I have a couple of thousandths runout on the grinding disc for my new
    end mill sharpening fixture . So I look online and I see diamond single
    point wheel dressing doodads . And I think to myself , "Myself , you
    should buy some of those so you can true that grinding disc" . So I
    bought some cheap ones six for just under 15 bucks . And I got what I
    paid for ... these things will cut a standard grindstone like it's
    butter , in fact too aggressive to do by hand . I don't know what that grinding disc is made of , but it cut the diamond point - it also cuts carbide end mills quite well. The diamond still cuts the regular wheels
    like before , but there's a definite flat on the tip where there was a
    point before . I did mount the dresser in a collet for the mill part of
    this exercise .

    Recent epiphany... sorta. Sometime back I asked similar questions about dressing and truing diamond wheels. I did get some responses, but there
    wasn't really an easy answer. Not like dressing an aluminum oxide wheel
    with a diamond nib.

    The other day I was making the 18 degree chamfer mill (D-drill), and I
    came up with a good way to find my zero on the base round carbide blank
    (broken end mill). I took a very light pass on one side, bumped the
    tool head around, and took another pass repeating until I had a visibly
    uniform width flat the length of the cut. While I know its not perfect
    I am sure its "pretty good." The reason I "know" this is that
    significantly less than the line width of the degree mark on the head
    made a significant visible difference in the line width from end to end
    of the flat. Am I going to be making custom production tooling in some
    big shop? No. Of course not. Will I get this job done? I'll let you
    know when I stop being afraid of it and just do it.

    I have no idea how flat the flat face of the diamond wheel is, but if I
    set the head to zero, and run the tool across it I get a uniform flat
    cut. If I just feed the tool into the face of the wheel, maybe not so
    much.

    I just did a CAD model to find the zero point I want to use on this tool yesterday. I might work up the nerve to run it today.


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    Bob La Londe
    Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
    real machinist


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Mon May 22 18:14:42 2023
    On 5/22/2023 3:39 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 5/7/2023 1:56 PM, Snag wrote:
      I have a couple of thousandths runout on the grinding disc for my
    new end mill sharpening fixture . So I look online and I see diamond
    single point wheel dressing doodads . And I think to myself , "Myself
    , you should buy some of those so you can true that grinding disc" .
    So I bought some cheap ones six for just under 15 bucks . And I got
    what I paid for ... these things will cut a standard grindstone like
    it's butter , in fact too aggressive to do by hand . I don't know what
    that grinding disc is made of , but it cut the diamond point - it also
    cuts carbide end mills quite well. The diamond still cuts the regular
    wheels like before , but there's a definite flat on the tip where
    there was a point before . I did mount the dresser in a collet for the
    mill part of this exercise .

    Recent epiphany... sorta.  Sometime back I asked similar questions about dressing and truing diamond wheels.  I did get some responses, but there wasn't really an easy answer.  Not like dressing an aluminum oxide wheel with a diamond nib.

    The other day I was making the 18 degree chamfer mill (D-drill), and I
    came up with a good way to find my zero on the base round carbide blank (broken end mill).  I took a very light pass on one side, bumped the
    tool head around, and took another pass repeating until I had a visibly uniform width flat the length of the cut.  While I know its not perfect
    I am sure its "pretty good."  The reason I "know" this is that
    significantly less than the line width of the degree mark on the head
    made a significant visible difference in the line width from end to end
    of the flat.  Am I going to be making custom production tooling in some
    big shop?  No.  Of course not.  Will I get this job done? I'll let you know when I stop being afraid of it and just do it.

    I have no idea how flat the flat face of the diamond wheel is, but if I
    set the head to zero, and run the tool across it I get a uniform flat
    cut.  If I just feed the tool into the face of the wheel, maybe not so
    much.

    I just did a CAD model to find the zero point I want to use on this tool yesterday.  I might work up the nerve to run it today.



    Standing at the machine with your hand hovering over the e-stop
    button ? I ended up shimming the mandrel at the "low" spot , runout is
    less than a thou now . But the next time I need to cut a gear I'll be
    making a new mandrel to mount the cutters . I ain't takin' that wheel
    off that mandrel unless I'm forced to .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 23 06:37:17 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4gjta$28rfc$1@dont-email.me...

    Recent epiphany... sorta. Sometime back I asked similar questions about dressing and truing diamond wheels. I did get some responses, but there
    wasn't really an easy answer. Not like dressing an aluminum oxide wheel
    with a diamond nib.

    The other day I was making the 18 degree chamfer mill (D-drill), and I
    came up with a good way to find my zero on the base round carbide blank
    (broken end mill). I took a very light pass on one side, bumped the
    tool head around, and took another pass repeating until I had a visibly
    uniform width flat the length of the cut. While I know its not perfect
    I am sure its "pretty good." The reason I "know" this is that
    significantly less than the line width of the degree mark on the head
    made a significant visible difference in the line width from end to end
    of the flat. Am I going to be making custom production tooling in some
    big shop? No. Of course not. Will I get this job done? I'll let you
    know when I stop being afraid of it and just do it.

    I have no idea how flat the flat face of the diamond wheel is, but if I
    set the head to zero, and run the tool across it I get a uniform flat
    cut. If I just feed the tool into the face of the wheel, maybe not so
    much.

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    Are you saying you got good results by grinding slowly with only the highest area on the undressed diamond wheel?

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue May 23 06:35:59 2023
    On 5/23/2023 5:37 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u4gjta$28rfc$1@dont-email.me...

    Recent epiphany... sorta.  Sometime back I asked similar questions about dressing and truing diamond wheels.  I did get some responses, but there wasn't really an easy answer.  Not like dressing an aluminum oxide wheel with a diamond nib.

    The other day I was making the 18 degree chamfer mill (D-drill), and I
    came up with a good way to find my zero on the base round carbide blank (broken end mill).  I took a very light pass on one side, bumped the
    tool head around, and took another pass repeating until I had a visibly uniform width flat the length of the cut.  While I know its not perfect
    I am sure its "pretty good."  The reason I "know" this is that
    significantly less than the line width of the degree mark on the head
    made a significant visible difference in the line width from end to end
    of the flat.  Am I going to be making custom production tooling in some
    big shop?  No.  Of course not.  Will I get this job done? I'll let you know when I stop being afraid of it and just do it.

    I have no idea how flat the flat face of the diamond wheel is, but if I
    set the head to zero, and run the tool across it I get a uniform flat
    cut.  If I just feed the tool into the face of the wheel, maybe not so
    much.

    -----------------------

    Are you saying you got good results by grinding slowly with only the
    highest area on the undressed diamond wheel?


    That's exactly what was happening with mine . Maybe a quarter of the
    wheel was actually cutting , but it left a very nice surface . I can't
    complain , I've salvaged several end mills that were otherwise headed
    for the scrap pile .
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    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue May 23 09:07:48 2023
    On 5/23/2023 3:37 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u4gjta$28rfc$1@dont-email.me...

    Recent epiphany... sorta.  Sometime back I asked similar questions about dressing and truing diamond wheels.  I did get some responses, but there wasn't really an easy answer.  Not like dressing an aluminum oxide wheel with a diamond nib.

    The other day I was making the 18 degree chamfer mill (D-drill), and I
    came up with a good way to find my zero on the base round carbide blank (broken end mill).  I took a very light pass on one side, bumped the
    tool head around, and took another pass repeating until I had a visibly uniform width flat the length of the cut.  While I know its not perfect
    I am sure its "pretty good."  The reason I "know" this is that
    significantly less than the line width of the degree mark on the head
    made a significant visible difference in the line width from end to end
    of the flat.  Am I going to be making custom production tooling in some
    big shop?  No.  Of course not.  Will I get this job done? I'll let you know when I stop being afraid of it and just do it.

    I have no idea how flat the flat face of the diamond wheel is, but if I
    set the head to zero, and run the tool across it I get a uniform flat
    cut.  If I just feed the tool into the face of the wheel, maybe not so
    much.

    -----------------------

    Are you saying you got good results by grinding slowly with only the
    highest area on the undressed diamond wheel?


    No I was very aggressive. I have neither the time nor the patience to
    take off a tenth at a time.

    I was only gentle to find my zero, and for the finish passes.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
    real machinist


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