• Paper mallet mfg

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to David Billington on Wed Sep 15 12:45:38 2021
    On 9/15/2021 12:28 PM, David Billington wrote:
    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made paper mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled with paper
    and are used on soft metals where other materials could mark the metal.
    My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s that the last company making them in the US closed as a result of an OSHA inspection and as
    OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely brings the company's
    existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did speak as though it was a
    recent event and knew the details. Apparently the owners of the company
    felt the investment required to bring things up to the required safety standards wasn't worth it for such a niche product and so closed it
    down. As it's less than 50 years since the closure maybe someone has a memory, I haven't found anything on the internet yet.



    Sorry, I do not know anything about that, but paper well compacted or
    wrapped and bonded in the form of something like the head of a mallet
    could be quite hard. If you are only looking for information about the
    company I can not help you at all.

    However some years back I had some dented muffler tips on high
    performance mufflers for a Harley. The tips were slip on, and the
    dented or curled in edge could be easily struck with a hammer.
    Obviously a hammer could roughly restore the shape, but would cause
    smaller other dents. My answer was to use a cast lead mallet. Due to
    its weight it easily transferred a high amount of energy to the struck
    sheet metal of the muffler tips, but becuase of its maleability it
    deformed to the metal and cause the metals to stretch into shape rather
    them deform from point impacts. It worked amazingly well, and did not
    mar the work piece at all. After just a short time working on it they
    looked like they were factory fresh out of the box. I may have posted
    about it on this group back in the late 1990s.

    A cast lead head mallet can be made easily enough, and it can be melted
    down and re-poured many times as needed. OSHA would probably throw a
    screaming hissy tantrum and bang their feet and fists on the floor over
    its making and its use in a work place, but in your home shop nobody
    needs to know about it except you.



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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 15 20:28:47 2021
    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made paper
    mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled with paper
    and are used on soft metals where other materials could mark the metal.
    My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s that the last company
    making them in the US closed as a result of an OSHA inspection and as
    OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely brings the company's
    existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did speak as though it was a
    recent event and knew the details. Apparently the owners of the company
    felt the investment required to bring things up to the required safety standards wasn't worth it for such a niche product and so closed it
    down. As it's less than 50 years since the closure maybe someone has a
    memory, I haven't found anything on the internet yet.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Sep 15 22:21:39 2021
    On 15/09/2021 20:45, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 9/15/2021 12:28 PM, David Billington wrote:
    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made
    paper mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled
    with paper and are used on soft metals where other materials could
    mark the metal. My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s
    that the last company making them in the US closed as a result of an
    OSHA inspection and as OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely
    brings the company's existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did
    speak as though it was a recent event and knew the details.
    Apparently the owners of the company felt the investment required to
    bring things up to the required safety standards wasn't worth it for
    such a niche product and so closed it down. As it's less than 50
    years since the closure maybe someone has a memory, I haven't found
    anything on the internet yet.



    Sorry, I do not know anything about that, but paper well compacted or
    wrapped and bonded in the form of something like the head of a mallet
    could be quite hard.  If you are only looking for information about
    the company I can not help you at all.

    However some years back I had some dented muffler tips on high
    performance mufflers for a Harley.  The tips were slip on, and the
    dented or curled in edge could be easily struck with a hammer.
    Obviously a hammer could roughly restore the shape, but would cause
    smaller other dents.  My answer was to use a cast lead mallet.  Due to
    its weight it easily transferred a high amount of energy to the struck
    sheet metal of the muffler tips, but becuase of its maleability it
    deformed to the metal and cause the metals to stretch into shape
    rather them deform from point impacts.  It worked amazingly well, and
    did not mar the work piece at all. After just a short time working on
    it they looked like they were factory fresh out of the box.  I may
    have posted about it on this group back in the late 1990s.

    A cast lead head mallet can be made easily enough, and it can be
    melted down and re-poured many times as needed.  OSHA would probably
    throw a screaming hissy tantrum and bang their feet and fists on the
    floor over its making and its use in a work place, but in your home
    shop nobody needs to know about it except you.



    I've used paper mallets and they're the best tool for the job on a soft
    metal like pewter (Britannia metal), lead would likely be too damaging
    to the surface. The mallets I used had already been in use for some
    years and were broken in, apparently when new the paper mallets do need
    to be used for a bit to break in the faces of the mallet.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 15 18:03:00 2021
    "David Billington" wrote in message news:shto53$cgp$1@dont-email.me...

    I've used paper mallets and they're the best tool for the job on a soft
    metal like pewter (Britannia metal), lead would likely be too damaging
    to the surface. The mallets I used had already been in use for some
    years and were broken in, apparently when new the paper mallets do need
    to be used for a bit to break in the faces of the mallet.

    ---------------

    Do you know if there's a significant difference between a paper and an end grain wooden hammer (beetle), which is easy to make? https://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/06/10/the-mallet-and-beetle/

    I get good results on thin sheet steel with a hammer with one plastic and
    one brass face. Usually the plastic face is enough to flatten the burr and
    curl on a shear cut and straighten corrugated roofing that a fallen branch crumpled, using 1-1/2" or 2" pipe on sawhorses for the anvil. The brass head
    is needed only to flatten tight creases in severe damage. A rubber mallet didn't have enough authority to shape the roofing to the pipe well enough.
    The galvanizing remains intact, areas I fixed many years ago still haven't rusted.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 15 17:24:42 2021
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:shtih3$qh$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    ...
    A cast lead head mallet can be made easily enough, and it can be melted
    down and re-poured many times as needed. OSHA would probably throw a
    screaming hissy tantrum and bang their feet and fists on the floor over
    its making and its use in a work place, but in your home shop nobody
    needs to know about it except you.
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    https://www.cookhammer.com/make.html

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 15 14:59:22 2021
    On 9/15/2021 2:24 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:shtih3$qh$1@gioia.aioe.org... ...
    A cast lead head mallet can be made easily enough, and it can be melted
    down and re-poured many times as needed.  OSHA would probably throw a screaming hissy tantrum and bang their feet and fists on the floor over
    its making and its use in a work place, but in your home shop nobody
    needs to know about it except you.
    ---------------------
    https://www.cookhammer.com/make.html


    Good link. I knew there were some commercially made lead hammer molds.
    I just make my own out of whatever scraps are handy.


    Back to the OPT (original posters topic), you could probably use a face
    mount clamping head to make a paper face mallet.


    https://www.mcmaster.com/mallets/face-mount-type~clamping-head/


    Might take you all day to roll up enough paper to make the face, but its possible. I have no idea how long it would take to break it in.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 15 18:39:24 2021
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:shtqbq$1fln$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 9/15/2021 2:24 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:shtih3$qh$1@gioia.aioe.org... ...
    A cast lead head mallet can be made easily enough, and it can be melted
    down and re-poured many times as needed. OSHA would probably throw a screaming hissy tantrum and bang their feet and fists on the floor over
    its making and its use in a work place, but in your home shop nobody needs
    to know about it except you.
    ---------------------
    https://www.cookhammer.com/make.html

    Good link. I knew there were some commercially made lead hammer molds.
    I just make my own out of whatever scraps are handy.

    Back to the OPT (original posters topic), you could probably use a face
    mount clamping head to make a paper face mallet.

    https://www.mcmaster.com/mallets/face-mount-type~clamping-head/

    Might take you all day to roll up enough paper to make the face, but its possible. I have no idea how long it would take to break it in.

    --------------

    Perhaps you could make the clamping head from a saddle head bolt and split piece of water pipe. The ends of the roll could be squared by chucking the temporarily hose-clamped pipe halves in the lathe.
    An adding machine paper roll is 2-3/4" wide, $1.79 at Staples.

    The easy way to align the drill with the lower hole is to clamp a
    sacrificial pin (dowel) in line below the chuck and register the lower hole
    on it.

    I just rolled a center hole <1/16" by dampening the end and "spindling" it between my fingers.
    -- jsw

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Sep 16 01:18:21 2021
    On 15/09/2021 23:03, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "David Billington"  wrote in message news:shto53$cgp$1@dont-email.me...

    I've used paper mallets and they're the best tool for the job on a soft
    metal like pewter (Britannia metal), lead would likely be too damaging
    to the surface. The mallets I used had already been in use for some
    years and were broken in, apparently when new the paper mallets do need
    to be used for a bit to break in the faces of the mallet.

    ---------------

    Do you know if there's a significant difference between a paper and an
    end grain wooden hammer (beetle), which is easy to make? https://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/06/10/the-mallet-and-beetle/

    I get good results on thin sheet steel with a hammer with one plastic
    and one brass face. Usually the plastic face is enough to flatten the
    burr and curl on a shear cut and straighten corrugated roofing that a
    fallen branch crumpled, using 1-1/2" or 2" pipe on sawhorses for the
    anvil. The brass head is needed only to flatten tight creases in
    severe damage. A rubber mallet didn't have enough authority to shape
    the roofing to the pipe well enough. The galvanizing remains intact,
    areas I fixed many years ago still haven't rusted.

    I would say yes there is a significant difference, I have a couple of
    wooden mallets and find they're prone to denting/bruising whatever you
    want to call it whereas the paper mallets were quite resilient in
    comparison. The last time I spoke to my old tutor they still had the odd precious paper mallet but reserved for special work, having largely been
    forced to use nylon or other plastic mallets but they needed to be kept
    free of dings or other marks which could easily transfer to the soft
    work piece.

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  • From Clifford Heath@21:1/5 to David Billington on Thu Sep 16 12:42:14 2021
    On 16/9/21 10:18 am, David Billington wrote:
    On 15/09/2021 23:03, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "David Billington"  wrote in message news:shto53$cgp$1@dont-email.me...

    I've used paper mallets and they're the best tool for the job on a soft
    metal like pewter (Britannia metal), lead would likely be too damaging
    to the surface. The mallets I used had already been in use for some
    years and were broken in, apparently when new the paper mallets do need
    to be used for a bit to break in the faces of the mallet.

    ---------------

    Do you know if there's a significant difference between a paper and an
    end grain wooden hammer (beetle), which is easy to make?
    https://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/06/10/the-mallet-and-beetle/

    I get good results on thin sheet steel with a hammer with one plastic
    and one brass face. Usually the plastic face is enough to flatten the
    burr and curl on a shear cut and straighten corrugated roofing that a
    fallen branch crumpled, using 1-1/2" or 2" pipe on sawhorses for the
    anvil. The brass head is needed only to flatten tight creases in
    severe damage. A rubber mallet didn't have enough authority to shape
    the roofing to the pipe well enough. The galvanizing remains intact,
    areas I fixed many years ago still haven't rusted.

    I would say yes there is a significant difference, I have a couple of
    wooden mallets and find they're prone to denting/bruising whatever you
    want to call it whereas the paper mallets were quite resilient in
    comparison. The last time I spoke to my old tutor they still had the odd precious paper mallet but reserved for special work, having largely been forced to use nylon or other plastic mallets but they needed to be kept
    free of dings or other marks which could easily transfer to the soft
    work piece.


    Interesting discussion. I inherited a small peening hammer with a head
    made from the black tip of the horn from some antelope or other. I'm
    curious of anyone might recognise this type of hammer?

    Clifford Heath

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Sep 16 06:36:49 2021
    "David Billington" wrote in message news:shu2ge$9tc$1@dont-email.me...

    On 15/09/2021 23:03, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Do you know if there's a significant difference between a paper and an end grain wooden hammer (beetle), which is easy to make?

    I would say yes there is a significant difference, I have a couple of
    wooden mallets and find they're prone to denting/bruising whatever you
    want to call it whereas the paper mallets were quite resilient in
    comparison. The last time I spoke to my old tutor they still had the odd precious paper mallet but reserved for special work, having largely been
    forced to use nylon or other plastic mallets but they needed to be kept
    free of dings or other marks which could easily transfer to the soft
    work piece.

    -------------------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbeater%27s_skin

    https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Conservation-Materials/Other-Materials/Goldbeaters-Skin

    I use the thin cardboard from food boxes to preserve the finish of aluminum being bent in my press brake.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Thu Sep 16 10:20:35 2021
    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:28:47 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made paper >mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled with paper
    and are used on soft metals where other materials could mark the metal.
    My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s that the last company >making them in the US closed as a result of an OSHA inspection and as
    OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely brings the company's
    existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did speak as though it was a
    recent event and knew the details. Apparently the owners of the company
    felt the investment required to bring things up to the required safety >standards wasn't worth it for such a niche product and so closed it
    down. As it's less than 50 years since the closure maybe someone has a >memory, I haven't found anything on the internet yet.


    Thought you might find this patent search of interest:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US174932A/en?q=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)&country=US&oq=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)+country:US&sort=old

    It seems the idea of using paper and/or pasteboard for the striking
    surface has been around awhile...

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Thu Sep 16 15:43:35 2021
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:20:35 -0400
    Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:28:47 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made paper >>mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled with paper
    and are used on soft metals where other materials could mark the metal.
    My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s that the last company >>making them in the US closed as a result of an OSHA inspection and as
    OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely brings the company's >>existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did speak as though it was a >>recent event and knew the details. Apparently the owners of the company >>felt the investment required to bring things up to the required safety >>standards wasn't worth it for such a niche product and so closed it
    down. As it's less than 50 years since the closure maybe someone has a >>memory, I haven't found anything on the internet yet.


    Thought you might find this patent search of interest:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US174932A/en?q=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)&country=US&oq=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)+country:US&sort=old

    It seems the idea of using paper and/or pasteboard for the striking
    surface has been around awhile...


    Also found this place which still sells them and has this history note:

    ===
    How It Began

    Jewelers and metal workers used hammers with heads made of rolled
    leather prior to WWI. Once the war began, leather was declared a
    strategic material and its availability was cut off. As a result,
    jewelers looked elsewhere for a material to use and found that paper
    rolled tightly made a hammer head which did almost no injury to metal
    surfaces. In the 1920's pewtersmithing became popular, and the field
    increased in demand for pewter items. The paper hammers were perfect
    for this application They were used until the 1960's for the pewter
    hobby, and then forgotten by the 1970's. Most of the paper hammers up
    until 1956 were made by two German brothers living in Queens, New York.
    After that time, the hammers disappeared from the marketplace.
    ===

    https://accidentalhammer.com/index.php/ct-menu-item-3/ct-menu-item-5

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Thu Sep 16 16:45:27 2021
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 21:21:18 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I'm aware of them and am currently in contact with the couple and have >ordered one of their paper mallets. The history they state though is >incomplete as they were not aware of the company I'm enquiring about and >paper mallets were far from forgotten by the 1970s as I was using them
    in my metalsmithing class in the late 1970s and they still had some as
    late as about 2000 when I last spoke with the tutor.

    First patent I found with mention of paper was from 1865. so the WWI
    reference is a bit off too ;-)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Thu Sep 16 21:21:18 2021
    On 16/09/2021 20:43, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:20:35 -0400
    Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:28:47 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    I was wondering if anyone here might remember a company that made paper
    mallets in the US. They're like a rawhide mallet but rolled with paper
    and are used on soft metals where other materials could mark the metal.
    My metalsmithing instructor said in the late 1970s that the last company >>> making them in the US closed as a result of an OSHA inspection and as
    OSHA only came into being in 1971 that likely brings the company's
    existence into the early to mid 1970s. He did speak as though it was a
    recent event and knew the details. Apparently the owners of the company
    felt the investment required to bring things up to the required safety
    standards wasn't worth it for such a niche product and so closed it
    down. As it's less than 50 years since the closure maybe someone has a
    memory, I haven't found anything on the internet yet.

    Thought you might find this patent search of interest:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US174932A/en?q=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)&country=US&oq=((B25D1%2f00))+(paper)+country:US&sort=old

    It seems the idea of using paper and/or pasteboard for the striking
    surface has been around awhile...

    Also found this place which still sells them and has this history note:

    ===
    How It Began

    Jewelers and metal workers used hammers with heads made of rolled
    leather prior to WWI. Once the war began, leather was declared a
    strategic material and its availability was cut off. As a result,
    jewelers looked elsewhere for a material to use and found that paper
    rolled tightly made a hammer head which did almost no injury to metal surfaces. In the 1920's pewtersmithing became popular, and the field increased in demand for pewter items. The paper hammers were perfect
    for this application They were used until the 1960's for the pewter
    hobby, and then forgotten by the 1970's. Most of the paper hammers up
    until 1956 were made by two German brothers living in Queens, New York.
    After that time, the hammers disappeared from the marketplace.
    ===

    https://accidentalhammer.com/index.php/ct-menu-item-3/ct-menu-item-5

    I'm aware of them and am currently in contact with the couple and have
    ordered one of their paper mallets. The history they state though is
    incomplete as they were not aware of the company I'm enquiring about and
    paper mallets were far from forgotten by the 1970s as I was using them
    in my metalsmithing class in the late 1970s and they still had some as
    late as about 2000 when I last spoke with the tutor.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Thu Sep 16 22:18:09 2021
    On 16/09/2021 21:45, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 21:21:18 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I'm aware of them and am currently in contact with the couple and have
    ordered one of their paper mallets. The history they state though is
    incomplete as they were not aware of the company I'm enquiring about and
    paper mallets were far from forgotten by the 1970s as I was using them
    in my metalsmithing class in the late 1970s and they still had some as
    late as about 2000 when I last spoke with the tutor.
    First patent I found with mention of paper was from 1865. so the WWI reference is a bit off too ;-)

    I've not tried searching for patents yet. I did some searches on the
    online OSHA database which goes back to 1972 but it's really geared to
    knowing the name of the company and there's no guarantee  the the
    company has the words 'mallet', 'hammer', 'paper' in the name. 'hammer'
    and 'mallet' turn up only a single page each for 1972 to 1976 and it was
    fairly easy to cross off the various companies mentioned but 'paper'
    turns up almost a 1000 records so I've not looked at that much more.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Fri Sep 17 09:15:27 2021
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 22:18:09 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've not tried searching for patents yet. I did some searches on the
    online OSHA database which goes back to 1972 but it's really geared to >knowing the name of the company and there's no guarantee  the the
    company has the words 'mallet', 'hammer', 'paper' in the name. 'hammer'
    and 'mallet' turn up only a single page each for 1972 to 1976 and it was >fairly easy to cross off the various companies mentioned but 'paper'
    turns up almost a 1000 records so I've not looked at that much more.

    I've searched through a couple old paper catalogs I have and several
    more digital versions. Problem with the digital versions is they are
    likely too old. The more modern catalogs are too new or hard to come by
    due to copyrights still in place. An old McMaster catalog from say
    the 1980's might be a good place to look. They still have a nice
    selection of Mallets but none with paper heads.

    The patent search I linked to worked well but good hits rapidly peter
    out. Suspect there wasn't much new innovation to form a patent in the
    1900's...

    I'm not entirely clear whether your primary interest is in the
    history, story of this particular company or procuring Paper Mallets.
    Maybe a bit of both ;-)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Fri Sep 17 15:55:56 2021
    On 17/09/2021 14:15, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 22:18:09 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've not tried searching for patents yet. I did some searches on the
    online OSHA database which goes back to 1972 but it's really geared to
    knowing the name of the company and there's no guarantee  the the
    company has the words 'mallet', 'hammer', 'paper' in the name. 'hammer'
    and 'mallet' turn up only a single page each for 1972 to 1976 and it was
    fairly easy to cross off the various companies mentioned but 'paper'
    turns up almost a 1000 records so I've not looked at that much more.
    I've searched through a couple old paper catalogs I have and several
    more digital versions. Problem with the digital versions is they are
    likely too old. The more modern catalogs are too new or hard to come by
    due to copyrights still in place. An old McMaster catalog from say
    the 1980's might be a good place to look. They still have a nice
    selection of Mallets but none with paper heads.

    The patent search I linked to worked well but good hits rapidly peter
    out. Suspect there wasn't much new innovation to form a patent in the 1900's...

    I'm not entirely clear whether your primary interest is in the
    history, story of this particular company or procuring Paper Mallets.
    Maybe a bit of both ;-)

    A bit of both really. I've bought a mallet from the AccidentalHammer
    couple but have also designed and built my own machine for rolling them
    as I like a challenge and only have to finish a few machining operations
    before I can try and put theory into practice. The mallets seem to be
    quite durable seeing as how well the ones in high school lasted so it
    wouldn't take me long to make enough for my lifetime so if it all works
    as intended I expect I'll make some for others, we shall see. As
    information about them seems to be scarce and while the last company
    making them in the US is still a relatively recent memory I thought I
    would try and gather more information while still potentially available. Finding the company information should find when they started so would
    help flesh out some of the history. I hadn't thought of old catalogues,
    do you have a link for a source.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Fri Sep 17 19:07:59 2021
    On 17/09/2021 18:38, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:55:56 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    Finding the company information should find when they started so would
    help flesh out some of the history. I hadn't thought of old catalogues,
    do you have a link for a source.
    I used to oft search at Archive.com for them. You can actually search
    inside most of them at the site without downloading nowadays. With a
    fast internet connection (not here) it should work a treat. Link to
    advanced search. Select "texts" for media.

    https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php

    Here is an example of a much more ambitious search string:

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=title%3Acatalogue+AND+-title%3Acourse+AND+mediatype%3Atexts+AND+-scanner%3Agoogle+AND+-subject%3Acollege+AND+-subject%3Aart+AND+-title%3Auniversity+AND+date%3A%5B1800-01-01+TO+1941-01-01%5D&sort=-publicdate&page=2

    Still gets a lot of unwanted stuff but should give you some ideas for
    weeding less desired stuff out. Also note here in the US "Catalog" is
    more commonly used...

    I've quite a few saved locally, Hardware, Machinery... usually have to
    check the index and then jump to a page (index page and doc pages
    are not the same) to see what they offered.

    Of course if you happen to know the name of a particular company that
    works too ;-)

    Thanks for that I'll have a look at Archive.com . Regarding spelling I
    grew up in the US for 12 years but moved back to the UK so had to learn
    to spell again. One of my local metal suppliers once said they could get
    me aluminum but it was far more expensive than the more readily
    available aluminium.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Fri Sep 17 13:38:30 2021
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:55:56 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    Finding the company information should find when they started so would
    help flesh out some of the history. I hadn't thought of old catalogues,
    do you have a link for a source.

    I used to oft search at Archive.com for them. You can actually search
    inside most of them at the site without downloading nowadays. With a
    fast internet connection (not here) it should work a treat. Link to
    advanced search. Select "texts" for media.

    https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php

    Here is an example of a much more ambitious search string:

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=title%3Acatalogue+AND+-title%3Acourse+AND+mediatype%3Atexts+AND+-scanner%3Agoogle+AND+-subject%3Acollege+AND+-subject%3Aart+AND+-title%3Auniversity+AND+date%3A%5B1800-01-01+TO+1941-01-01%5D&sort=-publicdate&page=2

    Still gets a lot of unwanted stuff but should give you some ideas for
    weeding less desired stuff out. Also note here in the US "Catalog" is
    more commonly used...

    I've quite a few saved locally, Hardware, Machinery... usually have to
    check the index and then jump to a page (index page and doc pages
    are not the same) to see what they offered.

    Of course if you happen to know the name of a particular company that
    works too ;-)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Fri Sep 17 14:30:24 2021
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:07:59 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    Thanks for that I'll have a look at Archive.com . Regarding spelling I
    grew up in the US for 12 years but moved back to the UK so had to learn
    to spell again. One of my local metal suppliers once said they could get
    me aluminum but it was far more expensive than the more readily
    available aluminium.

    The Internet, UK Mystery writers and UK Magazines I read help a lot to
    better understand these little language quirts :)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Clifford Heath on Fri Sep 17 19:17:06 2021
    On 16/09/2021 03:42, Clifford Heath wrote:
    On 16/9/21 10:18 am, David Billington wrote:
    On 15/09/2021 23:03, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "David Billington"  wrote in message news:shto53$cgp$1@dont-email.me... >>>
    I've used paper mallets and they're the best tool for the job on a soft
    metal like pewter (Britannia metal), lead would likely be too damaging
    to the surface. The mallets I used had already been in use for some
    years and were broken in, apparently when new the paper mallets do need
    to be used for a bit to break in the faces of the mallet.

    ---------------

    Do you know if there's a significant difference between a paper and
    an end grain wooden hammer (beetle), which is easy to make?
    https://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/06/10/the-mallet-and-beetle/

    I get good results on thin sheet steel with a hammer with one
    plastic and one brass face. Usually the plastic face is enough to
    flatten the burr and curl on a shear cut and straighten corrugated
    roofing that a fallen branch crumpled, using 1-1/2" or 2" pipe on
    sawhorses for the anvil. The brass head is needed only to flatten
    tight creases in severe damage. A rubber mallet didn't have enough
    authority to shape the roofing to the pipe well enough. The
    galvanizing remains intact, areas I fixed many years ago still
    haven't rusted.

    I would say yes there is a significant difference, I have a couple of
    wooden mallets and find they're prone to denting/bruising whatever
    you want to call it whereas the paper mallets were quite resilient in
    comparison. The last time I spoke to my old tutor they still had the
    odd precious paper mallet but reserved for special work, having
    largely been forced to use nylon or other plastic mallets but they
    needed to be kept free of dings or other marks which could easily
    transfer to the soft work piece.


    Interesting discussion. I inherited a small peening hammer with a head
    made from the black tip of the horn from some antelope or other. I'm
    curious of anyone might recognise this type of hammer?

    Clifford Heath

    I just noted that a horn mallet is mentioned in my copy of Oppi Untracht
    'Metal techniques for Craftsman' but that seemed to be the extent of it,
    no mention of where a horn mallet would be used in preference to another
    type. It was an illustration of various types of mallets and one was
    horn, no mentioned of paper mallets even though they would have been
    around when the book was first published in 1968. Most of the mallets
    bore the name Dixon, which I believe would be William Dixon Co. of NJ
    now part of Grobet USA.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to David Billington on Fri Sep 17 16:12:51 2021
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:si2ms0$5s5$1@dont-email.me...

    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:07:59 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    Thanks for that I'll have a look at Archive.com . Regarding spelling I
    grew up in the US for 12 years but moved back to the UK so had to learn
    to spell again. One of my local metal suppliers once said they could get
    me aluminum but it was far more expensive than the more readily
    available aluminium.

    The Internet, UK Mystery writers and UK Magazines I read help a lot to
    better understand these little language quirts :)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

    ------------------------- https://preply.com/en/blog/british-english-vs-american-english-slang-compared/#scroll-to-heading-0

    Some of us learn British language and culture from the PBS network. I
    recently discovered Lucy Worsley.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Mon Sep 20 20:08:44 2021
    On 17/09/2021 19:30, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:07:59 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    Thanks for that I'll have a look at Archive.com . Regarding spelling I
    grew up in the US for 12 years but moved back to the UK so had to learn
    to spell again. One of my local metal suppliers once said they could get
    me aluminum but it was far more expensive than the more readily
    available aluminium.
    The Internet, UK Mystery writers and UK Magazines I read help a lot to
    better understand these little language quirts :)

    Searching archive.org has turned up a few references to paper mallets
    but not to who made them. The Smithsonian site looks like it might be
    useful when/if they get the contents available online as they seem to
    have many catalogues but only a synopsis of the content https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/SILNMAHTL_41097 .

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Mon Sep 20 22:13:52 2021
    On 20/09/2021 21:52, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 20:08:44 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    Searching archive.org has turned up a few references to paper mallets
    but not to who made them. The Smithsonian site looks like it might be
    useful when/if they get the contents available online as they seem to
    have many catalogues but only a synopsis of the content
    https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/SILNMAHTL_41097 .
    Not surprised. Some catalogs are really good about telling you who made
    the item but a lot of them are not...

    I wouldn't hold your breath on the Smithsonian... always funding woes
    there.

    Sometimes you can find bits and pieces at:

    https://books.google.com/

    Here (if the link works) is an example of a good hit but not exactly
    what you're looking for:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Form_Emphasis_for_Metalsmiths/QpQgPb-_VDsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22paper+mallet%22&pg=PA22&printsec=frontcover

    I'll keep this matter in mind. I poke around looking for odds & ends
    pretty often. If I come across anything of interest I'll pass it on :)

    I'll have a poke around on the google site, thanks. The link you posted
    works fine and is an example of the only things I have found so far, the suggestion in a few books to use a paper mallet. I haven't found
    anything yet regarding someone selling or making them.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to David Billington on Mon Sep 20 16:52:08 2021
    On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 20:08:44 +0100
    David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:

    Searching archive.org has turned up a few references to paper mallets
    but not to who made them. The Smithsonian site looks like it might be
    useful when/if they get the contents available online as they seem to
    have many catalogues but only a synopsis of the content >https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/SILNMAHTL_41097 .

    Not surprised. Some catalogs are really good about telling you who made
    the item but a lot of them are not...

    I wouldn't hold your breath on the Smithsonian... always funding woes
    there.

    Sometimes you can find bits and pieces at:

    https://books.google.com/

    Here (if the link works) is an example of a good hit but not exactly
    what you're looking for:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Form_Emphasis_for_Metalsmiths/QpQgPb-_VDsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22paper+mallet%22&pg=PA22&printsec=frontcover

    I'll keep this matter in mind. I poke around looking for odds & ends
    pretty often. If I come across anything of interest I'll pass it on :)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Mon Sep 20 17:15:56 2021
    On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:52:08 -0400
    Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:

    I'll keep this matter in mind. I poke around looking for odds & ends
    pretty often. If I come across anything of interest I'll pass it on :)

    Link to the "Mallet" listing in an old "Thomas' Register of American Manufacturers and First Hands in all Lines : The Buyers' Guide
    1905-1906":

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasRegisterOfAmericanManufacturers19051906/page/n705/mode/2up

    Might be another source if you could locate some more of these
    Registers in a more recent year...

    They are still around nowadays:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Register

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Mon Sep 20 22:30:49 2021
    On 20/09/2021 22:15, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:52:08 -0400
    Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:

    I'll keep this matter in mind. I poke around looking for odds & ends
    pretty often. If I come across anything of interest I'll pass it on :)
    Link to the "Mallet" listing in an old "Thomas' Register of American Manufacturers and First Hands in all Lines : The Buyers' Guide
    1905-1906":

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasRegisterOfAmericanManufacturers19051906/page/n705/mode/2up

    Might be another source if you could locate some more of these
    Registers in a more recent year...

    They are still around nowadays:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Register

    Interesting link and no mention of paper mallets but 3 mentions of
    printers mallets. I did wonder if a soft faced mallet such as paper
    could be used to set white metal type, I'll try that angle and see what
    I find.

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