• Re: precision matthews 10x27 lathe

    From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 20:45:03 2022
    Any place to get an operating manual for pm1027

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to c0ec9956926de4bef33de601e1f8d106@ex on Tue Jun 14 17:36:49 2022
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 20:45:03 +0000, Brian230 <c0ec9956926de4bef33de601e1f8d106@example.com> wrote:

    Any place to get an operating manual for pm1027


    Yeah, Precision Mathews still exists.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Wed Jun 15 11:01:30 2022
    On 6/14/2022 2:36 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 20:45:03 +0000, Brian230 <c0ec9956926de4bef33de601e1f8d106@example.com> wrote:

    Any place to get an operating manual for pm1027


    Yeah, Precision Mathews still exists.

    Joe Gwinn


    And Matt is great at support. If its available he will help you get it.

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  • From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 05:15:02 2022
    They can't help me

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 06:32:32 2022
    "Brian230" wrote in message news:16f9508c96782e60$1$1775478$4606d853@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    They can't help me

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    Is this similar? https://www.busybeetools.com/content/product_manuals/B2227L.pdf

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  • From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 14:45:02 2022
    I think so. My issue is with the gearing for thread making. Would all similar lathes have the same gear setup. Thank for all the help.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 13:43:05 2022
    "Brian230" wrote in message news:16f96fa763250ece$1$965318$4056de03@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    I think so. My issue is with the gearing for thread making. Would all
    similar lathes have the same gear setup. Thank for all the help.

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    If the spindle and leadscrew turn at the same rate the lathe will cut the pitch/modulus of the leadscrew. To cut other threads the gearing must match
    the pitch ratio. To be "similar" another lathe needs the same pitch
    leadscrew and same tumbler gear ratio.

    It helps to list the prime factors in increasing order for each gear's tooth count, such as 24 = 2*2*2*3. Some of the gears in a set are for only one
    pitch and needn't be considered for others, for example a 52 tooth gear (2*2*13) is only for 1/2-13, and 54 is for 27 TPI.

    If you find a 37 and 47 tooth gear, they are an approximate metric-inch conversion. The correct but inconveniently large size is 127 tooth.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 06:39:30 2022
    https://www.beyonddiscovery.org/cutting-tools/changegear-calculations.html

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  • From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 15:15:03 2022
    Thanks I have a manual for a pm 1022 hopefully between the two I will understand.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 12:49:27 2022
    "Brian230" wrote in message news:16f9bfdf3ed4978f$71$23012$4006de53@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Thanks I have a manual for a pm 1022 hopefully between the two I will understand.

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    It's fairly simple mental math once you understand the transformations and relationships. I preserved my understanding in a spreadsheet, which allowed
    me to experiment with metric conversion of my inch lathe by automatically converting pitch to modulus and multiplying by the x/127 conversion ratios. 100/127 is the standard but 120/127 gave me more fine optics threads.

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  • From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 02:15:04 2022
    Thanks Jim once I get it all cleaned up and use it a bit it will make more sence of it. I appreciate your efforts and time to help me understand.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 07:19:37 2022
    "Brian230" wrote in message news:16fa327836a35f2d$1$1440173$4246dc13@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Thanks Jim once I get it all cleaned up and use it a bit it will make more sence of it. I appreciate your efforts and time to help me understand. -------------

    I tried to learn machining and welding from books but night school classes
    in them were more helpful, to correct my beginner's mistakes and enable me
    to figure out the used lathe and mill I bought. Machining and welding
    require a feel for how hard you should/can push that doesn't come across in writing or video. They are examples of the saying that good judgment comes
    from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment. Luckily for me the worst judgment I've learned from was someone else's, and I could wash off
    the blood and burn marks. The scarred carriage of my ex trade school lathe
    is a reminder to stay alert.

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  • From Brian230@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 18:15:03 2022
    So true

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Jun 20 11:33:37 2022
    On 6/20/2022 4:19 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    I tried to learn machining and welding from books but night school
    classes in them were more helpful, to correct my beginner's mistakes and enable me to figure out the used lathe and mill I bought. Machining and welding require a feel for how hard you should/can push that doesn't
    come across in writing or video.

    And often requires some relearning when going from one machine to
    another. For example the little mill drill in the back takes a careful
    hand on the wheel, but the South Bend 1028F can go "almost" as fast as I
    can push it with the same material.

    I could get work done with careful work, prep, chamfering, and ground
    bevels on the little Century wire feeder, but it took all day. The
    Miller 212 will weld heavier plate with cursory prep at ten times the
    speed.

    The other thing is every machine has quirks. On the CB1028F, I've
    learned if I go under positive dimension by two tenths on the DRO and
    then snug the table locks it goes to dead on. There is no way to learn
    that except by using that machine or talking to somebody who has. (I'm
    not saying the machine is inherently that accurate or precise in net
    results.)

    The skills translate, but the brain has to drive the skills or things go
    bad quickly.

    As an aside note. My son can't seem to setup a welder for a job very
    well, but once I dial it in he has a much better hand at it. He took
    welding classes. I learned the numbers out of a book and off the
    Internet. To be fair he doesn't weld much these days, and he is slowly learning when he does how to adjust the machine from the flip chart
    settings based on symptoms and performance.


    They are examples of the saying that
    good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad
    judgment. Luckily for me the worst judgment I've learned from was
    someone else's, and I could wash off the blood and burn marks. The
    scarred carriage of my ex trade school lathe is a reminder to stay alert.


    I have lots of good judgement. LOL. Why just yesterday I gained some
    more when I realized the 3D geometry I was CNC machining wasn't lined up
    with the 2D limit geometry. Today I get to do it right.

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  • From Tom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 02:45:03 2023
    Brian, I was looking for a part for my PM 1027 and saw your post that you were looking for an Operation and Instruction manual for it. I have a one and also the parts list if you are still looking for it. I would be happy to scan and send it to you if
    you still need them. Tom, Glen Saint Mary, Florida
    Email Thomas@nefcom.net

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 05:05:13 2023
    Yes that would be great. My email is brian230230@gmail.com

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 21:02:20 2023
    Hi Tom yes I would like that thanks. My email is brian230230@gmail.com

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 19:03:23 2023
    I don't know if you got my reply as I have not received it yet. My email is brian230230@gmail.com Thanks so much for your troubles.

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