• Cleaning bottles after use

    From Joerg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 7 11:38:56 2021
    After a bottle is emptied I rinse it, sprinkle a few granules of
    dishwaser machine powder in there, add a thimble of boiling water,
    shake, then let the bottle sit for a few hours. Later before going to
    bed I wash and rinse with cold water and scrub the outside with
    dishwashing liquid. This method kept things very clean. Until recently.

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher powder but it
    seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I know PBW will get it off because that's what I use on all bottles that
    need a 2nd cleaning. However, PBW is a bit expensive for such a frequent
    job.

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  • From DaiTengu@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 7 20:43:05 2021
    To: Joerg
    Re: Cleaning bottles after use
    By: Joerg to rec.crafts.brewing on Wed Apr 07 2021 11:38 am

    After a bottle is emptied I rinse it, sprinkle a few granules of
    dishwaser machine powder in there, add a thimble of boiling water,
    shake, then let the bottle sit for a few hours. Later before going to
    bed I wash and rinse with cold water and scrub the outside with dishwashing liquid. This method kept things very clean. Until recently.

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?


    Have you tried white vinegar? I've honestly never had this issue (but I moved quickly from bottling to kegging when I started brewing, because I _HATE_ filling bottles), but if PBW takes it out, I'm guessing a little white vinegar in the bottom of the
    bottle overnight will probably take care of it, too.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to DaiTengu on Fri Apr 9 14:48:20 2021
    On 4/7/2021 6:43 PM, DaiTengu wrote:
    To: Joerg
    Re: Cleaning bottles after use
    By: Joerg to rec.crafts.brewing on Wed Apr 07 2021 11:38 am

    Jo> After a bottle is emptied I rinse it, sprinkle a few granules of
    Jo> dishwaser machine powder in there, add a thimble of boiling water,
    Jo> shake, then let the bottle sit for a few hours. Later before going to
    Jo> bed I wash and rinse with cold water and scrub the outside with
    Jo> dishwashing liquid. This method kept things very clean. Until recently.

    Jo> Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle brush
    Jo> doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher powder but it
    Jo> seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as it used to be.

    Jo> Does anyone know a better alternative?


    Have you tried white vinegar? I've honestly never had this issue (but I moved quickly from bottling to kegging when I started brewing, because I _HATE_ filling bottles), but if PBW takes it out, I'm guessing a little white vinegar in the bottom of
    the bottle overnight will probably take care of it, too.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Baloonon@21:1/5 to Joerg on Sat Apr 10 04:05:55 2021
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild acid solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Baloonon on Thu May 27 15:54:06 2021
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild acid solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything off of glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand. That is WAY
    better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland version used to do.
    Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't seem
    to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Joerg on Thu May 27 20:10:23 2021
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand. That is WAY
    better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland version used to do.
    Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't seem
    to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.


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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sat May 29 11:32:33 2021
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as >>>> it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen bleach >>> and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final rinse >>> gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco has
    a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand. That is
    WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland version used
    to do. Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't
    seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Joerg on Mon May 31 05:19:26 2021
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as powerful as >>>>> it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out >>>> all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill >>>> with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen
    bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild acid >>>> solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final
    rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything off of >>>> glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco
    has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand. That
    is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland version
    used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as good as it
    used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't
    seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=6810590011

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Bob F on Mon May 31 06:07:20 2021
    On 5/31/2021 5:19 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle >>>>>> brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher
    powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as
    powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush >>>>> gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate out >>>>> all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I fill >>>>> with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen
    bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild
    acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final
    rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to >>>>> bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be >>>>> reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything
    off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any >>>>> residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe >>>>> half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco
    has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand. That
    is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland version
    used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as good as it
    used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't
    seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=6810590011


    Oops. That is a different brand.

    https://www.amazon.com/InSinkErator-H-HOT100-Instant-Dispenser-Stainless/dp/B00ZP90S4E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=insinkerator+stainless+steel+hot+water+dispenser&qid=1622465553&s=hi&sr=1-1

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jun 2 10:47:09 2021
    On 5/31/21 6:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/31/2021 5:19 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle >>>>>>> brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher >>>>>>> powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as
    powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush >>>>>> gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I separate >>>>>> out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I
    fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen
    bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a mild >>>>>> acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a final >>>>>> rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to >>>>>> bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be >>>>>> reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything
    off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off any >>>>>> residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe >>>>>> half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco
    has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand.
    That is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland
    version used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as
    good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died,
    again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't
    seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=6810590011


    Oops. That is a different brand.

    https://www.amazon.com/InSinkErator-H-HOT100-Instant-Dispenser-Stainless/dp/B00ZP90S4E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=insinkerator+stainless+steel+hot+water+dispenser&qid=1622465553&s=hi&sr=1-1


    Thanks, Bob, that one is more for residentail use. The first one is huge
    and would run up our electricity bills. Unfortunately we live in PG&E
    country which means sky-high prices.

    The 2nd one is a lot more than their usual versions but if it lasts much
    longer then it is worth it. The satin nickel faucet would look a bit
    hideous in our kitchen though but maybe my wife could get use to it.

    --
    Regards, Joerg

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Joerg on Wed Jun 2 17:58:35 2021
    On 6/2/2021 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/31/21 6:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/31/2021 5:19 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle >>>>>>>> brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher >>>>>>>> powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as
    powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle brush >>>>>>> gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I
    separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full I >>>>>>> fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic oxygen >>>>>>> bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a
    mild acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a
    final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and prior to >>>>>>> bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water can be >>>>>>> reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything >>>>>>> off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing off >>>>>>> any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a
    production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. Maybe >>>>>>> half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time.


    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution: Costco >>>>>> has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade brand.
    That is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the Kirkland
    version used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it ain't as
    good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink died, >>>>>> again, but that's another matter. This is number three, they don't >>>>>> seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=6810590011


    Oops. That is a different brand.

    https://www.amazon.com/InSinkErator-H-HOT100-Instant-Dispenser-Stainless/dp/B00ZP90S4E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=insinkerator+stainless+steel+hot+water+dispenser&qid=1622465553&s=hi&sr=1-1


    Thanks, Bob, that one is more for residentail use. The first one is huge
    and would run up our electricity bills. Unfortunately we live in PG&E
    country which means sky-high prices.

    The 2nd one is a lot more than their usual versions but if it lasts much longer then it is worth it. The satin nickel faucet would look a bit
    hideous in our kitchen though but maybe my wife could get use to it.


    Just replace the unit and use your old faucet.

    I got mine 2nd hand from my wife's brother, and have used it for years
    with no trouble.

    Funny? They both seem to be identical specs, except for the wattage. The
    1300 watt one would not want to share a circuit with much. They both say
    60 cups per hour, 2 1/2 qt, up to 200F, same power as a 40 watt bulb
    (average, I assume, just to hold temp?).

    Here's another, cheap version of the high power one, just the tank.

    https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Hot-RH-200-SS-1300-watt-Dispenser/dp/B00DIYZEGA/ref=psdc_6810590011_t3_B00ZP90S4E

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Bob F on Tue Jun 8 09:09:14 2021
    On 6/2/21 5:58 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 6/2/2021 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/31/21 6:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/31/2021 5:19 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a bottle >>>>>>>>> brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher >>>>>>>>> powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as
    powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle >>>>>>>> brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I
    separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full >>>>>>>> I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic
    oxygen bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a
    mild acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a
    final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and
    prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water
    can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling anything >>>>>>>> off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing
    off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a >>>>>>>> production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. >>>>>>>> Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time. >>>>>>>>

    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution:
    Costco has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade
    brand. That is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the
    Kirkland version used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it >>>>>>> ain't as good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink
    died, again, but that's another matter. This is number three,
    they don't seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=6810590011


    Oops. That is a different brand.

    https://www.amazon.com/InSinkErator-H-HOT100-Instant-Dispenser-Stainless/dp/B00ZP90S4E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=insinkerator+stainless+steel+hot+water+dispenser&qid=1622465553&s=hi&sr=1-1


    Thanks, Bob, that one is more for residentail use. The first one is
    huge and would run up our electricity bills. Unfortunately we live in
    PG&E country which means sky-high prices.

    The 2nd one is a lot more than their usual versions but if it lasts
    much longer then it is worth it. The satin nickel faucet would look a
    bit hideous in our kitchen though but maybe my wife could get use to it.


    Just replace the unit and use your old faucet.


    Doesn't work because our now leaking version from the same manufacturer (Insinkerator) has an integrated faucet.


    I got mine 2nd hand from my wife's brother, and have used it for years
    with no trouble.

    Funny? They both seem to be identical specs, except for the wattage. The
    1300 watt one would not want to share a circuit with much. They both say
    60 cups per hour, 2 1/2 qt, up to 200F, same power as a 40 watt bulb (average, I assume, just to hold temp?).


    The ones we had so far were 500W and newer versions of those are 750W
    (more, more, more, something I really don't like). 1300W is a bit much
    for that location and would probably also raise our electric bill. Thing
    is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes one cup of
    instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few thimbles worth of
    hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining". Plus maybe a few more
    thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food residue on it.


    Here's another, cheap version of the high power one, just the tank.

    https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Hot-RH-200-SS-1300-watt-Dispenser/dp/B00DIYZEGA/ref=psdc_6810590011_t3_B00ZP90S4E


    In the end I'd probably pay the same because I'd need one of those
    3-line faucets.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Joerg on Tue Jun 8 15:03:29 2021
    On 6/8/2021 9:09 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 6/2/21 5:58 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 6/2/2021 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/31/21 6:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/31/2021 5:19 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/29/2021 11:32 AM, Joerg wrote:
    On 5/27/21 8:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 5/27/2021 3:54 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 4/9/21 9:05 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Now there is slight residual yeast in the bottom and even a >>>>>>>>>> bottle
    brush doesn't remove that completely. We use Kirkland dishwasher >>>>>>>>>> powder but it seems it's been somehow watered down, not as >>>>>>>>>> powerful as
    it used to be.

    Does anyone know a better alternative?

    I find most of the time an overnight soak followed by a bottle >>>>>>>>> brush
    gets the stubborn residue, but occasionally it doesn't. I
    separate out
    all of those bottles into a bin and then when the bin gets full >>>>>>>>> I fill
    with hot water and a couple of scoops of unscented generic
    oxygen bleach
    and let it soak overnight. A followup brush, drain, soak in a >>>>>>>>> mild acid
    solution (maybe a cup of vinegar to 10 gal water) and then a >>>>>>>>> final rinse
    gets them clean and the bottles go back in a clean bin, and
    prior to
    bottling at a future date I give them a final rinse.

    I do the cleaning by the washing machine so much of the water >>>>>>>>> can be
    reused for laundry. Oyxbleach is really good at pulling
    anything off of
    glass, and a very mild acid solution is very good at clearing >>>>>>>>> off any
    residue. Total cost is very small and if it's approached like a >>>>>>>>> production line the amount of time per bottle is pretty small. >>>>>>>>> Maybe
    half an hour for a couple of cases, not counting soaking time. >>>>>>>>>

    Thanks, DaiTengu and Baloonon. Meantime I found a solution:
    Costco has a non-Kirkland brand of dishwasher tabs, the Cascade >>>>>>>> brand. That is WAY better and gets the gunk off just like the
    Kirkland version used to do. Not sure what they did to it but it >>>>>>>> ain't as good as it used to.

    Now the Insinkerator hot water dispenser at the kitchen sink
    died, again, but that's another matter. This is number three,
    they don't seem to last much and it's almost $200 every time.

    The Stainless steel versions seem to last a lot better.



    Hmm, I've never seen that. Does it cost an arm and a leg?


    1st find. Buy the tank only?

    https://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-40-WH-1500-SS-Instant-Water-Dispenser/dp/B08BX6XJH3/ref=sr_1_16?c=ts&dchild=1&keywords=Hot+Water+Dispensers&qid=1622463274&refinements=p_n_material_two_browse-bin%3A542686011&s=kitchen-bath&sr=1-16&ts_id=
    6810590011


    Oops. That is a different brand.

    https://www.amazon.com/InSinkErator-H-HOT100-Instant-Dispenser-Stainless/dp/B00ZP90S4E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=insinkerator+stainless+steel+hot+water+dispenser&qid=1622465553&s=hi&sr=1-1


    Thanks, Bob, that one is more for residentail use. The first one is
    huge and would run up our electricity bills. Unfortunately we live in
    PG&E country which means sky-high prices.

    The 2nd one is a lot more than their usual versions but if it lasts
    much longer then it is worth it. The satin nickel faucet would look a
    bit hideous in our kitchen though but maybe my wife could get use to it. >>>

    Just replace the unit and use your old faucet.


    Doesn't work because our now leaking version from the same manufacturer (Insinkerator) has an integrated faucet.


    I got mine 2nd hand from my wife's brother, and have used it for years
    with no trouble.

    Funny? They both seem to be identical specs, except for the wattage.
    The 1300 watt one would not want to share a circuit with much. They
    both say 60 cups per hour, 2 1/2 qt, up to 200F, same power as a 40
    watt bulb (average, I assume, just to hold temp?).


    The ones we had so far were 500W and newer versions of those are 750W
    (more, more, more, something I really don't like). 1300W is a bit much
    for that location and would probably also raise our electric bill. Thing
    is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes one cup of instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few thimbles worth of
    hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining". Plus maybe a few more thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food residue on it.

    I doubt the wattage would increase power usage. It would heat faster,
    but not as long, and the losses through the insulation should be similar
    and constant. It certainly could not be on the same circuit as the
    dishwasher though, like mine is.



    Here's another, cheap version of the high power one, just the tank.

    https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Hot-RH-200-SS-1300-watt-Dispenser/dp/B00DIYZEGA/ref=psdc_6810590011_t3_B00ZP90S4E


    In the end I'd probably pay the same because I'd need one of those
    3-line faucets.


    If you can find one with a stainless heater tank, and leaks were your
    failure mode (like my first 2, with copper tanks), I would recommend that.

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  • From Baloonon@21:1/5 to Joerg on Tue Jun 8 23:43:33 2021
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Thing is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes one
    cup of instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few thimbles
    worth of hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining". Plus maybe a
    few more thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food residue on it.

    If it were me, I'd just use an electric tea kettle and settle for waiting a couple of minutes for the hot water. Or use a microwave.

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Baloonon on Fri Jun 11 16:24:42 2021
    On 6/8/21 4:43 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Thing is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes one
    cup of instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few thimbles
    worth of hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining". Plus maybe a
    few more thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food residue on it.

    If it were me, I'd just use an electric tea kettle and settle for waiting a couple of minutes for the hot water. Or use a microwave.


    Me too but, well, I am married :-)

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    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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  • From Baloonon@21:1/5 to Joerg on Sun Jun 13 22:58:54 2021
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:

    On 6/8/21 4:43 PM, Baloonon wrote:

    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Thing is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes
    one cup of instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few
    thimbles worth of hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining".
    Plus maybe a few more thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food
    residue on it.

    If it were me, I'd just use an electric tea kettle and settle for
    waiting a couple of minutes for the hot water. Or use a microwave.

    Me too but, well, I am married :-)

    OK, I know where you're coming from.

    Maybe get one of those water dispensers -- you can train pets to use them
    too.

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Primo-Top-Load-Top-loading-Cold-and-Hot-Water- Cooler/1000690820

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Baloonon on Mon Jun 14 21:18:04 2021
    On 6/13/21 3:58 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:

    On 6/8/21 4:43 PM, Baloonon wrote:

    Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote

    Thing is, we could live with something way smaller. My wife makes
    one cup of instant coffee for herself per day and we use a few
    thimbles worth of hot water for beer bottle bottom "de-staining".
    Plus maybe a few more thimbles worth if a dish has hardened food
    residue on it.

    If it were me, I'd just use an electric tea kettle and settle for
    waiting a couple of minutes for the hot water. Or use a microwave.

    Me too but, well, I am married :-)

    OK, I know where you're coming from.

    Maybe get one of those water dispensers -- you can train pets to use them too.

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Primo-Top-Load-Top-loading-Cold-and-Hot-Water- Cooler/1000690820


    We have a very similar looking yellow lab so it should work :-)

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    Regards, Joerg

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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