• Walmart sells Rikon lathes

    From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 15 23:38:05 2018
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIKON-70-305-16-x-42-Inch-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe-w-Sliding-Head-Bed/568337314?wmlspartner=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855&veh=dsn&sourceid=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855_
    5aab64d26e355516915a7864a129a900&campaign_id=145998&site_id=4334534&creative_id=9612596&ad_id=9219312&advertiser_id=cc8a39e0-5427-40b2-8b5c-36f52ee1bdbd

    I did not know Walmart sold Rikon lathes! There was an ad on a webpage I was on. It was for Rikon lathes. 16x42 sliding head variable speed lathe. $2070. It was from Walmart. The idea of buying a big lathe from Walmart seems really weird to me. I
    realize they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from Walmart is weird.

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  • From Electric Comet@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Sat Mar 17 08:34:24 2018
    On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted
    with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from
    Walmart is weird.

    on the face i agree it does seem weird but the game is about logistics
    in other words walmart will sell you anything you want to buy and
    take whatever they can get of the transaction

    would be interesting to know how much they make on a lathe sale


    but actually that is changing too at least globally as other countries
    start to come down on illegal activities of the amazons and others

    amazon was raided overseas recently as they were doing bad things

    it seems the trade war that has been going on forever is now turning
    into something closer to a hot trade war

    interesting times for sure

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  • From Martin Eastburn@21:1/5 to Electric Comet on Wed Apr 4 22:39:42 2018
    Delivered to your house. Or delivered to the local one near you.

    Handy. They have Big Trucks and have the ability.
    Martin


    On 3/17/2018 10:34 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted
    with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from
    Walmart is weird.

    on the face i agree it does seem weird but the game is about logistics
    in other words walmart will sell you anything you want to buy and
    take whatever they can get of the transaction

    would be interesting to know how much they make on a lathe sale


    but actually that is changing too at least globally as other countries
    start to come down on illegal activities of the amazons and others

    amazon was raided overseas recently as they were doing bad things

    it seems the trade war that has been going on forever is now turning
    into something closer to a hot trade war

    interesting times for sure









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  • From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to Martin Eastburn on Thu Apr 5 11:33:33 2018
    On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 10:40:21 PM UTC-5, Martin Eastburn wrote:
    Delivered to your house. Or delivered to the local one near you.

    Handy. They have Big Trucks and have the ability.
    Martin


    When I clicked on the link, it said the following:

    "Sold & shipped by Factory Authorized Outlet Return policy

    Free shipping
    Arrives by Monday, Apr 16

    Free pickup not available from this seller"

    So based on that I assume its shipped to your house free. They don't even give you the option of being shipped to the nearest WalMart store. Makes sense because it is a third party seller using the WalMart website to sell. Just like Amazon. For fun I
    looked up the same lathe on Amazon. Its $5 cheaper on Amazon. Free shipping also. Probably the same third party seller at both Amazon and WalMart.

    It just seems weird to buy a $2000 lathe at WalMart.






    On 3/17/2018 10:34 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted
    with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from
    Walmart is weird.

    on the face i agree it does seem weird but the game is about logistics
    in other words walmart will sell you anything you want to buy and
    take whatever they can get of the transaction

    would be interesting to know how much they make on a lathe sale


    but actually that is changing too at least globally as other countries start to come down on illegal activities of the amazons and others

    amazon was raided overseas recently as they were doing bad things

    it seems the trade war that has been going on forever is now turning
    into something closer to a hot trade war

    interesting times for sure









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  • From Electric Comet@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Fri Apr 6 13:40:40 2018
    On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    same lathe on Amazon. Its $5 cheaper on Amazon. Free shipping
    also. Probably the same third party seller at both Amazon and
    WalMart.

    what is price for lathe if you pick it up from lathe store

    that is the interesting part of the equation because shipping is never
    without cost

    there is the rub

    and it comes out that amazon are engaged in shipping fraud
    not a surprise

    and the tax payer pays the bill so amazon has been subsidized by
    us tax payers

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Electric Comet on Sat Apr 7 16:42:02 2018
    On 2018-04-06 2:40 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    same lathe on Amazon. Its $5 cheaper on Amazon. Free shipping
    also. Probably the same third party seller at both Amazon and
    WalMart.

    what is price for lathe if you pick it up from lathe store

    that is the interesting part of the equation because shipping is never without cost

    there is the rub

    and it comes out that amazon are engaged in shipping fraud
    not a surprise

    and the tax payer pays the bill so amazon has been subsidized by
    us tax payers

    No, that's not so! The US PO makes a small profit, but a profit
    nevertheless, from Amazon. Their contract is to deliver over the "last
    mile" and the AMZ bar codes on the packages allow the PO to optimize
    delivery that makes it profitable.
    Johnboy.


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  • From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to russell...@yahoo.com on Tue Apr 10 16:43:13 2018
    On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:38:06 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIKON-70-305-16-x-42-Inch-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe-w-Sliding-Head-Bed/568337314?wmlspartner=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855&veh=dsn&sourceid=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855_
    5aab64d26e355516915a7864a129a900&campaign_id=145998&site_id=4334534&creative_id=9612596&ad_id=9219312&advertiser_id=cc8a39e0-5427-40b2-8b5c-36f52ee1bdbd

    I did not know Walmart sold Rikon lathes! There was an ad on a webpage I was on. It was for Rikon lathes. 16x42 sliding head variable speed lathe. $2070. It was from Walmart. The idea of buying a big lathe from Walmart seems really weird to me.
    I realize they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from Walmart is weird.


    Correction, correction, correction! Toolnut is selling this lathe for $1989 with free shipping. So Amazon is trying to steal my money by selling it for $2065.

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  • From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to Electric Comet on Tue Apr 10 16:37:05 2018
    On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:40:43 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    same lathe on Amazon. Its $5 cheaper on Amazon. Free shipping
    also. Probably the same third party seller at both Amazon and
    WalMart.

    what is price for lathe if you pick it up from lathe store

    that is the interesting part of the equation because shipping is never without cost

    there is the rub

    and it comes out that amazon are engaged in shipping fraud
    not a surprise

    and the tax payer pays the bill so amazon has been subsidized by
    us tax payers

    Agree with John response. Amazon negotiates a shipping price or accepts the standard price from the USPS. No one forces the USPS at gun point to ship for the price they quote or negotiate. They decide. And I suspect they do make a small profit on
    every item they handle. But the USPS has billions or trillions of overhead costs to cover. So most likely they would need to double or triple or quadruple the shipping cost on every item they touch to cover the costs they incur. The Postmaster General
    sitting on his big wide butt in Washington DC probably gets paid a quarter million a year. Plus a retirement package of 125% of his highest pay. Lot of overhead with the USPS.

    As far as the US taxpayer subsidizing Amazon, we also subsidize every minimum wage worker at Walmart and McDonalds and everywhere else. Most of those employees receive Medicaid and food stamps. Yet work full time jobs for the biggest most profitable
    companies in America. How about that! But we sure as hell don't want to increase the minimum wage to get these full time workers off food stamps. Better to keep corporate profits up and steal taxpayer money to send welfare to the workers at the most
    profitable companies in America.

    Acme Tools, the Tool Crib of the North successor, has a store in my town. This lathe is $2000 from them. I could pick it up at the store downtown. But add in 7% sales tax. So really $2140. $75 MORE than from Amazon or any of the other free shipping
    internet sellers. Assuming they are not collecting sales tax. Not sure about this now days.

    On big ticket items, the sales tax can easily be a price killer.

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  • From G Ross@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Tue Apr 10 20:52:56 2018
    russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:38:06 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIKON-70-305-16-x-42-Inch-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe-w-Sliding-Head-Bed/568337314?wmlspartner=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855&veh=dsn&sourceid=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855_
    5aab64d26e355516915a7864a129a900&campaign_id=145998&site_id=4334534&creative_id=9612596&ad_id=9219312&advertiser_id=cc8a39e0-5427-40b2-8b5c-36f52ee1bdbd

    I did not know Walmart sold Rikon lathes! There was an ad on a webpage I was on. It was for Rikon lathes. 16x42 sliding head variable speed lathe. $2070. It was from Walmart. The idea of buying a big lathe from Walmart seems really weird to me.
    I realize they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from Walmart is weird.


    Correction, correction, correction! Toolnut is selling this lathe for $1989 with free shipping. So Amazon is trying to steal my money by selling it for $2065.

    Don't know about your state, but Amazon collects state sales tax in my
    state.

    --
    G Ross

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  • From Electric Comet@21:1/5 to John on Wed Apr 11 08:45:46 2018
    On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:42:02 -0600
    John <Jcloth@cleaners.com> wrote:

    No, that's not so! The US PO makes a small profit, but a profit
    nevertheless, from Amazon. Their contract is to deliver over the
    "last mile" and the AMZ bar codes on the packages allow the PO to

    can you post a link to this contract with the specifics of this contract

    and what happens to the profit you allege when the last mile is ten or
    twenty miles

    also you still have not said who pays for this free shipping that the
    post office makes money on

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  • From graham@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Wed Apr 11 10:37:13 2018
    On 2018-04-11 10:17 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 7:52:57 PM UTC-5, G Ross wrote:
    russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:38:06 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIKON-70-305-16-x-42-Inch-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe-w-Sliding-Head-Bed/568337314?wmlspartner=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855&veh=dsn&sourceid=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855_
    5aab64d26e355516915a7864a129a900&campaign_id=145998&site_id=4334534&creative_id=9612596&ad_id=9219312&advertiser_id=cc8a39e0-5427-40b2-8b5c-36f52ee1bdbd

    I did not know Walmart sold Rikon lathes! There was an ad on a webpage I was on. It was for Rikon lathes. 16x42 sliding head variable speed lathe. $2070. It was from Walmart. The idea of buying a big lathe from Walmart seems really weird to me.
    I realize they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from Walmart is weird.


    Correction, correction, correction! Toolnut is selling this lathe for $1989 with free shipping. So Amazon is trying to steal my money by selling it for $2065.

    Don't know about your state, but Amazon collects state sales tax in my
    state.

    --
    G Ross

    I bought a pair of $80 speakers through Amazon two weeks ago. No state sales tax paid by me. And free shipping.

    You mean that AMZ paid the shipping and it was hidden in the cost.

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  • From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to G Ross on Wed Apr 11 09:17:21 2018
    On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 7:52:57 PM UTC-5, G Ross wrote:
    russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:38:06 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/RIKON-70-305-16-x-42-Inch-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe-w-Sliding-Head-Bed/568337314?wmlspartner=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855&veh=dsn&sourceid=dsn_cri_ab372f6a-8da1-4a14-95f0-c2219228a855_
    5aab64d26e355516915a7864a129a900&campaign_id=145998&site_id=4334534&creative_id=9612596&ad_id=9219312&advertiser_id=cc8a39e0-5427-40b2-8b5c-36f52ee1bdbd

    I did not know Walmart sold Rikon lathes! There was an ad on a webpage I was on. It was for Rikon lathes. 16x42 sliding head variable speed lathe. $2070. It was from Walmart. The idea of buying a big lathe from Walmart seems really weird to me.
    I realize they are just advertising products from a vendor who has contracted with them. Just like Amazon does. But still, $2000 lathes from Walmart is weird.


    Correction, correction, correction! Toolnut is selling this lathe for $1989 with free shipping. So Amazon is trying to steal my money by selling it for $2065.

    Don't know about your state, but Amazon collects state sales tax in my state.

    --
    G Ross

    I bought a pair of $80 speakers through Amazon two weeks ago. No state sales tax paid by me. And free shipping.

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  • From russellseaton1@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to graham on Wed Apr 11 10:44:28 2018
    On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 11:37:12 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
    On 2018-04-11 10:17 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    I bought a pair of $80 speakers through Amazon two weeks ago. No state sales tax paid by me. And free shipping.

    You mean that AMZ paid the shipping and it was hidden in the cost.

    Yes. I am well aware there ain't nothing free in this world. Maybe everyone should instead say "free shipping" is included in price of item. And maybe make it illegal for Amazon or anyone else to print "free shipping" on any website. I favor this.
    We should all petition every federal and state official to make it ILLEGAL to put "free shipping" on anything. I am sure the various truth in advertising (???) laws would allow us to ban "free shipping" on everything. It is the biggest lie there is.

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  • From Electric Comet@21:1/5 to g.stereo@shaw.ca on Mon Apr 16 22:20:15 2018
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:37:13 g.stereo@shaw.ca wrote:

    You mean that AMZ paid the shipping and it was hidden in the cost.

    amazon rarely if ever pays for the shipping

    instead they will force the seller to pay in some way

    have you sold a lot on that platform

    amazon abuse their monopoly position as a business model

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  • From Martin Eastburn@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Wed Apr 18 23:10:49 2018
    I get boxes from Amazon that are marked FedEx and that brown box UPS.
    Both reduce their cost by having someone who drives there every day to
    deliver it. Not all is Amazon ,
    some of it is by the two delivery companies that have contracts also.

    Part of the problem with the post office is their pension that is a
    monster. They have to pay it and the Fed used to. And the Fed made
    them '''independent''' sorta. But they still issue passports.....sell stamps....money orders....collect customs and the like.

    Martin

    On 4/10/2018 6:37 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:40:43 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

    same lathe on Amazon. Its $5 cheaper on Amazon. Free shipping
    also. Probably the same third party seller at both Amazon and
    WalMart.

    what is price for lathe if you pick it up from lathe store

    that is the interesting part of the equation because shipping is never
    without cost

    there is the rub

    and it comes out that amazon are engaged in shipping fraud
    not a surprise

    and the tax payer pays the bill so amazon has been subsidized by
    us tax payers

    Agree with John response. Amazon negotiates a shipping price or accepts the standard price from the USPS. No one forces the USPS at gun point to ship for the price they quote or negotiate. They decide. And I suspect they do make a small profit on
    every item they handle. But the USPS has billions or trillions of overhead costs to cover. So most likely they would need to double or triple or quadruple the shipping cost on every item they touch to cover the costs they incur. The Postmaster General
    sitting on his big wide butt in Washington DC probably gets paid a quarter million a year. Plus a retirement package of 125% of his highest pay. Lot of overhead with the USPS.

    As far as the US taxpayer subsidizing Amazon, we also subsidize every minimum wage worker at Walmart and McDonalds and everywhere else. Most of those employees receive Medicaid and food stamps. Yet work full time jobs for the biggest most profitable
    companies in America. How about that! But we sure as hell don't want to increase the minimum wage to get these full time workers off food stamps. Better to keep corporate profits up and steal taxpayer money to send welfare to the workers at the most
    profitable companies in America.

    Acme Tools, the Tool Crib of the North successor, has a store in my town. This lathe is $2000 from them. I could pick it up at the store downtown. But add in 7% sales tax. So really $2140. $75 MORE than from Amazon or any of the other free
    shipping internet sellers. Assuming they are not collecting sales tax. Not sure about this now days.

    On big ticket items, the sales tax can easily be a price killer.


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  • From Martin Eastburn@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Wed Apr 18 23:23:51 2018
    There isn't free shipping. If you are Amazon you pay shipping or you
    pay up front seed money that accrues and pays for a contract. But you
    pay one way or another. It becomes a paying help only when you spend a
    lot. So the high price of Prime is a leveling charge. It has also
    increased over the years.

    Martin

    On 4/11/2018 12:44 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 11:37:12 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
    On 2018-04-11 10:17 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    I bought a pair of $80 speakers through Amazon two weeks ago. No state sales tax paid by me. And free shipping.

    You mean that AMZ paid the shipping and it was hidden in the cost.

    Yes. I am well aware there ain't nothing free in this world. Maybe everyone should instead say "free shipping" is included in price of item. And maybe make it illegal for Amazon or anyone else to print "free shipping" on any website. I favor this.
    We should all petition every federal and state official to make it ILLEGAL to put "free shipping" on anything. I am sure the various truth in advertising (???) laws would allow us to ban "free shipping" on everything. It is the biggest lie there is.


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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Sat Apr 21 09:33:34 2018
    On 4/11/2018 1:44 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 11:37:12 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
    On 2018-04-11 10:17 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    I bought a pair of $80 speakers through Amazon two weeks ago. No state sales tax paid by me. And free shipping.

    You mean that AMZ paid the shipping and it was hidden in the cost.

    Yes. I am well aware there ain't nothing free in this world. Maybe everyone should instead say "free shipping" is included in price of item. And maybe make it illegal for Amazon or anyone else to print "free shipping" on any website. I favor this.
    We should all petition every federal and state official to make it ILLEGAL to put "free shipping" on anything. I am sure the various truth in advertising (???) laws would allow us to ban "free shipping" on everything. It is the biggest lie there is.

    "Free shipping" has come to mean there are no additional charges in the
    sale price. Amazon often has different prices for the same item, like
    the free shipping price can be higher than the non-free shipping price.
    If you are cheap, like me, you must look carefully at Amazon prices,
    checking and comparing prices/shipping/taxes. They are a sneaky bunch.

    There is a particular cookie my wife likes and she was having trouble
    finding it so she looked on Amazon. She found the exact same box for
    $10 that the store sells for $3. If you are not careful, Amazon can and
    will screw you big time on pricing.

    I once bought a cheap lathe drill chuck on Amazon, when it came, it came
    in a box from Harbor Freight, including the HF part number. I could
    have bought the exact same item at HF for a good bit less. The guy that
    got the money from Amazon probably ordered the item from HF and had it
    mailed right to my address? Smooth entrepreneur there.
    I believe the words are "caveat emptor"
    --
    Jack
    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
    http://jbstein.com

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