• Live a board boat

    From Paul Cassel@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Fri Jul 29 14:34:53 2016
    On 7/29/2016 9:12 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    Larry Butler's hilarious Liveaboard Simulator

    http://www.sailnow.com/sail/simulator.html

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  • From Capt Rick@21:1/5 to bruceinbangkok@nowhere.org on Fri Jul 29 04:11:46 2016
    Short answer. In the U.S.
    Copyright for any kind of creative works is automatic, but it is
    suggested that one place a notice, such as: Copyright 2016 by John
    Doe

    If one wants his/her work to be public domain, a notice of such must
    be included, since copyright is automatic.

    The work can be registered with the Copyright Office for another layer
    of protection.

    Upon expiration of the copyright, the work enters the public domain
    and all or part can be used for any purpose by anyone.




    Long Answer:
    In the United States, works published before 1923 are all in the
    public domain under the provisions of the Copyright Act of 1909 and
    previous law. This act provided for an initial term of 28 years. This
    term could be extended for an additional 28 years by registering
    copyright renewal with the US copyright office.

    Works published before 1964 in the US are all in the public domain,
    excepting only those for which a renewal was registered with the US
    copyright office. Relatively few works from this era have had their
    copyrights renewed. A US copyright office study in 1961 found that
    fewer than 15% of registered copyrights had been renewed.

    The US Copyright Act of 1976 modified these provisions so that the
    second, renewed term was 47 years. This extension applied to works
    that had been copyrighted between 1950 and 1977 and were thus in their
    first 28-year term of copyright protection, as well as to new works
    copyrighted after 1977. The maximum term of copyright protection
    became 75 years instead of the 56 years of the 1909 law, and applied
    to works whose copyrights were renewed in 1978 or later.

    Copyright renewal has largely lost its significance for works
    copyrighted in the US in 1964 or after due to the Copyright Renewal
    Act of 1992. This law removed the requirement that a second term of
    copyright protection is contingent on a renewal registration. The
    effect was that any work copyrighted in the US in 1964 or after had a
    copyright term of 75 years, whether or not a formal copyright renewal
    was filed. There are some legal reasons for filing such renewal
    registrations. A further amendment to US copyright law in 1998
    extended the total term of protection to 95 years, which now applies
    to all works copyrighted in 1964 or after.



    On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 06:26:04 +0700, bruceinbangkok@nowhere.org wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:58:30 -0500, Rick Morel
    <rmorel@m*o*r*e*l*r.com> wrote:

    That's correct. Once in public domain it cannot be copyrighted.
    That's why Project Gutenberg for free ebooks out of copyright was
    started.

    I'm not clear on what this is about either. Skip, can you elaborate?

    Rick


    If I am not mistaken a "copyright" is a protection for the writer that
    his work is sole his property for specific number of years thus in a
    sense public domain doesn't enter into it. The copyright simply
    expires so the work is no longer solely the property of the writer.


    On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:12:54 -0600, Paul Cassel <dryadsdad@yahoo.com> >>wrote:

    I think once something is in the public domain, it remains there and >>>cannot be copyrighted. I'm not clear on what this thread is about. It's >>>like it started in the middle.

    -paul

    On 7/27/2016 6:04 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    From an earlier post on the subject...

    I don't think public domain allows copyrighting by somebody else, does it? >>>>
    L8R

    Skip

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Mon Aug 1 10:37:37 2016
    That's the one. After Larry wrote to him, he added the line under the copyright.

    For the record, he also asked for and was granted the right to copy it.

    Not copyright it...

    L8R

    Skip

    "Paul Cassel" wrote in message news:nngelj$1no$1@dont-email.me...

    On 7/29/2016 9:12 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    Larry Butler's hilarious Liveaboard Simulator

    http://www.sailnow.com/sail/simulator.html



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  • From Wayne.B@21:1/5 to skipgundlach@gmail.com on Thu Aug 4 00:23:45 2016
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:12:36 -0400, "Flying Pig"
    <skipgundlach@gmail.com> wrote:

    This started with a search for my buddy Larry Butler's hilarious Liveaboard >Simulator.

    ===

    I believe that what you are searching for is here:

    <http://svletitgo.com/2010/07/the-liveaboard-simulator/>

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to skipgundlach@gmail.com on Fri Aug 5 21:45:11 2016
    "Wayne.B" wrote in message
    news:n8d5qb16l8idvate3qj3e68alc9ip47ups@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:12:36 -0400, "Flying Pig"
    <skipgundlach@gmail.com> wrote:

    This started with a search for my buddy Larry Butler's hilarious Liveaboard >Simulator.

    ===

    I believe that what you are searching for is here:

    <http://svletitgo.com/2010/07/the-liveaboard-simulator/>


    It starts, then directs you to Roger Long's defunct website address,
    inviting you to buy it.

    However, this thread started in July of 2002 when Larry posted it here...

    Right now I can't put my hands on it again, but it came up again in RBC,
    here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.boats.cruising/n7MFVtQrPbY%5B1-25%5D


    It's been shared around, including Jonathan Ganz' Sailnow website.

    He's since taken it off, over a dispute I probably started; he'd had
    permission from Larry to republish it, but copyrighted it (the web page, ostensibly, but it was shown directly under the story, and under the
    copyright, a mention of L Butler).

    He copyrights his web pages; that wasn't clear. In any event, the original
    is back in the mists of this thread. If you can find the label in googlegroups, you can see the original...

    L8R

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 27 04:32:47 2016
    I just thought that if there is anyone left alive in this group that some might like to know:

    John Strydom lifted this whole, added a couple of words, and copyrighted it as his own in Sailing Now.

    Not so much as a credit to Larry, let alone a "used by permission" - which I'm sure Larry would have granted.

    His stripes never change, do they?

    L8R

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Wed Jul 27 05:02:05 2016
    Ping Larry Butler...

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-4, Flying Pig wrote:
    I just thought that if there is anyone left alive in this group that some might like to know:

    John Strydom lifted this whole, added a couple of words, and copyrighted it as his own in Sailing Now.

    Not so much as a credit to Larry, let alone a "used by permission" - which I'm sure Larry would have granted.

    His stripes never change, do they?

    L8R

    Skip

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Wed Jul 27 05:04:12 2016
    From an earlier post on the subject...

    I don't think public domain allows copyrighting by somebody else, does it?

    L8R

    Skip

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-4, Flying Pig wrote:
    I just thought that if there is anyone left alive in this group that some might like to know:

    John Strydom lifted this whole, added a couple of words, and copyrighted it as his own in Sailing Now.

    Not so much as a credit to Larry, let alone a "used by permission" - which I'm sure Larry would have granted.

    His stripes never change, do they?

    L8R

    Skip


    On Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 11:46:45 AM UTC-4, Larry wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:13:39 GMT, "foobar" <foo@bar.net> wrote:

    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Seriously, Larry, you should Copyright that material (if you haven't >already). It's hysterical!

    I've released it to the public domain. Print it out and hang it up on
    the bulletin board at the yacht club.....

    Thanks for your comment....(c;
    Larry

    PS - Have the neighbors said anything about why you're driving the
    dock cart down to the 7-11 every day, yet? They will....(c;

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  • From Paul Cassel@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Wed Jul 27 06:12:54 2016
    I think once something is in the public domain, it remains there and
    cannot be copyrighted. I'm not clear on what this thread is about. It's
    like it started in the middle.

    -paul

    On 7/27/2016 6:04 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    From an earlier post on the subject...

    I don't think public domain allows copyrighting by somebody else, does it?

    L8R

    Skip

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  • From Rick Morel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 07:58:30 2016
    That's correct. Once in public domain it cannot be copyrighted.
    That's why Project Gutenberg for free ebooks out of copyright was
    started.

    I'm not clear on what this is about either. Skip, can you elaborate?

    Rick

    On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:12:54 -0600, Paul Cassel <dryadsdad@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I think once something is in the public domain, it remains there and
    cannot be copyrighted. I'm not clear on what this thread is about. It's
    like it started in the middle.

    -paul

    On 7/27/2016 6:04 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    From an earlier post on the subject...

    I don't think public domain allows copyrighting by somebody else, does it? >>
    L8R

    Skip

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  • From bruceinbangkok@nowhere.org@21:1/5 to rmorel@m*o*r*e*l*r.com on Fri Jul 29 06:26:04 2016
    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:58:30 -0500, Rick Morel
    <rmorel@m*o*r*e*l*r.com> wrote:

    That's correct. Once in public domain it cannot be copyrighted.
    That's why Project Gutenberg for free ebooks out of copyright was
    started.

    I'm not clear on what this is about either. Skip, can you elaborate?

    Rick


    If I am not mistaken a "copyright" is a protection for the writer that
    his work is sole his property for specific number of years thus in a
    sense public domain doesn't enter into it. The copyright simply
    expires so the work is no longer solely the property of the writer.


    On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:12:54 -0600, Paul Cassel <dryadsdad@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I think once something is in the public domain, it remains there and
    cannot be copyrighted. I'm not clear on what this thread is about. It's >>like it started in the middle.

    -paul

    On 7/27/2016 6:04 AM, Flying Pig wrote:
    From an earlier post on the subject...

    I don't think public domain allows copyrighting by somebody else, does it? >>>
    L8R

    Skip
    --
    Cheers,

    Bruce

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  • From Flying Pig@21:1/5 to Flying Pig on Fri Jul 29 11:12:36 2016
    My everlasting embarrassment...

    This started with a search for my buddy Larry Butler's hilarious Liveaboard Simulator.

    At the same time, there was a thread I'd responded to in a FaceBook group
    about the same issues from a newly-moved-aboard member.

    My Googling initially uncovered Jonathan GANZ (NOT!!! John Strydom, he's
    very definitely a good guy) having wholly appropriated Larry's work and, at
    the bottom, copyrighting it in his own name. But I hadn't noticed that
    until I'd given the link.

    Right after that, the member in question noted that they'd had that
    experience with John Strydom. So, when I went looking for, and found. the original, here, at my advanced age, the johns were switched in my mind.
    Thus, I castigated the wrong person.

    The original, appearing in RBC in 2002, was open-domained by Larry at the
    time.

    I've already apologized to John Strydom. Ganz doesn't surprise me a bit. Please insert Jonathan Ganz below!

    My apologies for the confusion; if my original didn't have the text of the original 2002 post, search for Larry Butler or w4csc and "the Liveaboard Simulator" - it's still a classic!

    L8R

    Skip

    "Flying Pig" wrote in message news:60c9ad3d-ae67-4be1-a355-4ca4ce541ebb@googlegroups.com...

    Ping Larry Butler...

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-4, Flying Pig wrote:
    I just thought that if there is anyone left alive in this group that some might like to know:

    John Strydom lifted this whole, added a couple of words, and copyrighted
    it as his own in Sailing Now.

    Not so much as a credit to Larry, let alone a "used by permission" - which I'm sure Larry would have granted.

    His stripes never change, do they?

    L8R

    Skip

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