This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
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This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > Wrote in message:r> > This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149> If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve > information other than liberal bullshit. :-) > -- ===I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
==
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural
shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not surprisingly many people
are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution.
It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our cultural heritage, and it will lead to increased strife in my opinion.
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> >>> This is a very thought provoking and insightfularticle: >>> >>> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149>> Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this >> opinion article
bother me, and it doesn't make> their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural> shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not surprisingly many people> are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into>pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join >> in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-) >> > > ==> Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell> their books for a long time. That doesn't
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.As a leftist, you'd find anything against the right interesting and
thought provoking. I thought this was interesting and thought
provoking:
https://www.raptureforums.com/politics-culture-wars/why-do-democrats-support-lawlessness/
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST), > "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote: > >> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > >> Wrote in message:r > >> > This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:As a leftist, you'd find anything against the right interesting and
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightfulIf you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.
thought provoking. I thought this was interesting and thought
provoking:
https://www.raptureforums.com/politics-culture-wars/why-do-democrats-support-lawlessness/
==
Actually I'm a centrist and don't condone violent protest for any reason
or cause. What's happened is that the right has moved so far in that direction, that moderate republicans are now incorrectly viewed as left wingers. And the cult of Trumpism has become so deeply rooted that
anyone else is viewed as a radical. Sad.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:has become so deeply rooted that anyone else is viewed as a radical. Sad.
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:As a leftist, you'd find anything against the right interesting and
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.
thought provoking. I thought this was interesting and thought
provoking:
https://www.raptureforums.com/politics-culture-wars/why-do-democrats-support-lawlessness/
===
Actually I'm a centrist and don't condone violent protest for any reason or cause. What's happened is that the right has moved so far in that direction, that moderate republicans are now incorrectly viewed as left wingers. And the cult of Trumpism
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:>> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST), >> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday,January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote: >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> >>>> Wrote in message:r >>>>> This is a very thought provoking and insightful>>>>> article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of this >country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of >animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden >escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then, throughout
his term in office and to this day the division (which Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.
As a leftist, you'd find anything against the right interesting and
thought provoking. I thought this was interesting and thought
provoking:
https://www.raptureforums.com/politics-culture-wars/why-do-democrats-support-lawlessness/
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of this >country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of >animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden >escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then, throughout
his term in office and to this day the division (which Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> > >> Wrote in message:r > >> > This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-
Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST), > "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote: > >> "waynebatr...@
Oh boy! There's nothing centrist about you anymore Wayne. You've
moved far left.
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:53:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>wrote:>On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>> On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:>>>>>>> This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:>>>>>>>> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149>>> Wayne, you might want
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:53:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>wrote:>On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>> On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:>>>>>>> This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:>>>>>>>> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149>>> Wayne, you might want
On 1/10/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:What is really sad is that this division is based on a fellas personality. The country is being made to suffer because the hate has driven the party
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help
sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it
doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking.
The cultural shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not
surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that
unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our
democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already
happening. That's the wrong way to defend our cultural heritage, and
it will lead to increased strife in my opinion.
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of
this country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of
animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then,
throughout his term in office and to this day the division (which
Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
in power to undo all of the good things the prior administration has done
for the country. Anyone who believes the current administration is doing
good by America is out of his mind. I suppose it is possible for a
centralist to be out of his mind. :-)
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:53:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of this
country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of
animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then, throughout
his term in office and to this day the division (which Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
The PBS show Frontline seemed to put the real divide at the election
of Obama but I think it goes back to Bush v Gore. There are still
plenty of Democrats who think Bush wasn't the legitimate president.
On 1/10/2022 12:14 PM, Justan wrote:> On 1/10/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>>> On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:>>>>>>>>> This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:>>>>>>>>>> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149 >>>>>>>>>
Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the>> USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.>>>> So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.>>> What is really sad is that this division is based on a fellasI think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the>> same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise>> to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political>> division that exists today.>>>> I think
On 1/10/2022 12:14 PM, Justan wrote:
On 1/10/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:What is really sad is that this division is based on a fellas personality. >> The country is being made to suffer because the hate has driven the party
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this >>>>> opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>>
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help
sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it
doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking.
The cultural shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not
surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that
unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our
democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already
happening. That's the wrong way to defend our cultural heritage, and >>>> it will lead to increased strife in my opinion.
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of
this country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of
animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then,
throughout his term in office and to this day the division (which
Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
in power to undo all of the good things the prior administration has done
for the country. Anyone who believes the current administration is doing
good by America is out of his mind. I suppose it is possible for a
centralist to be out of his mind. :-)
My problem with Trump is that I believe that the office of POTUS
requires a certain level of maturity, professionalism and a civil temperament, all of which Trump lacks. He acts more like a junior
high school bully.
Yesterday I spent an hour or so watching old videos of Ronald Reagan
speeches including a debate with Jimmy Carter in 1980. Both were
critical of each other's policy views but I was struck by the
respect they gave each other personally. What a difference
to what we witness today! Trump started his campaign by
verbally harassing and personally attacking the other 16 Republicans
seeking the GOP nomination .... well before the Democrat's "Russia,
Russia, Russia" mantra really took hold. It's in his DNA.
Anywhoo, let's see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
On 1/10/2022 2:58 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:53:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this >>>>> opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>>
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of this
country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of
animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then, throughout
his term in office and to this day the division (which Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
The PBS show Frontline seemed to put the real divide at the election
of Obama but I think it goes back to Bush v Gore. There are still
plenty of Democrats who think Bush wasn't the legitimate president.
The post-mortem of the Bush/Gore contest indicates Bush won. He also >defeated Kerry for re-election in 2004.
If you haven't, I recommend
reading Bush's book "Decision Points". In it he lays out several of
the critical decisions he made as POTUS in a detailed, non "hyped"
manner. It left me with a more heightened degree of respect for the
man.
If you had to choose, which of those two
would you rather be in a lifeboat with, far out to sea? Put
another way. Would you rather have the wheeler dealer or the
hollow man as president?
On 1/10/2022 12:14 PM, Justan wrote:
On 1/10/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:What is really sad is that this division is based on a fellas personality. >> The country is being made to suffer because the hate has driven the party
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this >>>>> opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>>
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help
sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it
doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking.
The cultural shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not
surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that
unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our
democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already
happening. That's the wrong way to defend our cultural heritage, and >>>> it will lead to increased strife in my opinion.
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of
this country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of
animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then,
throughout his term in office and to this day the division (which
Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
in power to undo all of the good things the prior administration has done
for the country. Anyone who believes the current administration is doing
good by America is out of his mind. I suppose it is possible for a
centralist to be out of his mind. :-)
My problem with Trump is that I believe that the office of POTUS
requires a certain level of maturity, professionalism and a civil >temperament, all of which Trump lacks. He acts more like a junior
high school bully.
Yesterday I spent an hour or so watching old videos of Ronald Reagan
speeches including a debate with Jimmy Carter in 1980. Both were
critical of each other's policy views but I was struck by the
respect they gave each other personally. What a difference
to what we witness today! Trump started his campaign by
verbally harassing and personally attacking the other 16 Republicans
seeking the GOP nomination .... well before the Democrat's "Russia,
Russia, Russia" mantra really took hold. It's in his DNA.
Anywhoo, let's see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:13:39 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>If you had to choose, which of those two> would you rather be in a lifeboat with, far out to sea? Put> another way. Would you rather have the wheeler dealer or the> hollow man aspresident?I wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with either of them. Wayne wouldbe a better choice ;)
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:13:39 -0500 (EST), justan <m...@here.com> wrote:
If you had to choose, which of those twoI wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with either of them. Wayne would
would you rather be in a lifeboat with, far out to sea? Put
another way. Would you rather have the wheeler dealer or the
hollow man as president?
be a better choice ;)
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:13:39 -0500 (EST), justan <m...@here.com> wrote:
===If you had to choose, which of those twoI wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with either of them. Wayne would
would you rather be in a lifeboat with, far out to sea? Put
another way. Would you rather have the wheeler dealer or the
hollow man as president?
be a better choice ;)
Bad choice; I think you should go with Trump. His orange luminescence and gigantic ego would be easier to spot by rescuers. :-)
gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:rpresident?I wouldn't want to be in a lifeboat with either of them. Wayne wouldbe a better choice ;)
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:13:39 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:>If you had to choose, which of those two> would you rather be in a lifeboat with, far out to sea? Put> another way. Would you rather have the wheeler dealer or the> hollow man as
Your ship is sinking. There are two lifeboats. Remember
Afghanistan while you decide.
Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
On 1/10/2022 12:14 PM, Justan wrote:
On 1/10/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:What is really sad is that this division is based on a fellas personality. >>> The country is being made to suffer because the hate has driven the party >>> in power to undo all of the good things the prior administration has done >>> for the country. Anyone who believes the current administration is doing >>> good by America is out of his mind. I suppose it is possible for a
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this >>>>>> opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>>>
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help >>>>> sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it
doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking.
The cultural shifts that she mentions are undeniable, and not
surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that
unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our
democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already
happening. That's the wrong way to defend our cultural heritage, and >>>>> it will lead to increased strife in my opinion.
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of
this country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of >>>> animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden
escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then,
throughout his term in office and to this day the division (which
Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often >>>> with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
centralist to be out of his mind. :-)
My problem with Trump is that I believe that the office of POTUS
requires a certain level of maturity, professionalism and a civil
temperament, all of which Trump lacks. He acts more like a junior
high school bully.
Yesterday I spent an hour or so watching old videos of Ronald Reagan
speeches including a debate with Jimmy Carter in 1980. Both were
critical of each other's policy views but I was struck by the
respect they gave each other personally. What a difference
to what we witness today! Trump started his campaign by
verbally harassing and personally attacking the other 16 Republicans
seeking the GOP nomination .... well before the Democrat's "Russia,
Russia, Russia" mantra really took hold. It's in his DNA.
Anywhoo, let's see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Maybe this is a sign of the times. Ok at all the nastiest on the
internet. We have are own Mr. Roomba…
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
If you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:52:10 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 09:47:18 -0800 (PST),
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:20:16 PM UTC-5, justan wrote:As a leftist, you'd find anything against the right interesting and
"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>===
Wrote in message:r
This is a very thought provoking and insightfulIf you remove your tin hat you might be able to recieve
article:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
information other than liberal bullshit. :-)
--
I found it interesting and thought provoking. Your mileage may vary.
thought provoking. I thought this was interesting and thought
provoking:
https://www.raptureforums.com/politics-culture-wars/why-do-democrats-support-lawlessness/
==
Actually I'm a centrist and don't condone violent protest for any reason
or cause. What's happened is that the right has moved so far in that
direction, that moderate republicans are now incorrectly viewed as left
wingers. And the cult of Trumpism has become so deeply rooted that
anyone else is viewed as a radical. Sad.
Nothing centrist about your comments.
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book)
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:53:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>undeniable, and not surprisingly many people are unhappy about it. The risk is that unhappiness will spill over into attempts at subverting our democratic institutions and the constitution. It's already happening. That's the wrong way to defend our
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 3:16 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2022 12:14 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is a very thought provoking and insightful article:Wayne, you might want to consider doing some more reading about this
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/civil-war-in-the-united-states-is-far-more-likely-than-you-think-in-fact-it-may-have-already-begun-11641418149
opinion article that is based on interests (and a newly released book) >>>>
Walter is a professor of political science at the University of
California at San Diego. Her primary interest and papers/
publications are on the US and other Civil Wars.
With that as a platform for her *opinions* it is not surprising
that she'd tie current events to a pending Civil War.
I read it (plus more about her) and take it with a grain of salt.
If people with companies can make money selling toilet paper with
pictures of Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others, she may as well join
in in a more hi-brow manner and sell some books. :-)
===
Writers have been using magazine articles and opinion pieces to help sell their books for a long time. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't make their opinions less valuable and thought provoking. The cultural shifts that she mentions are
Mrs.E. (a Trumpster) and I had a recent debate about the status of this >>country.
My position is that although politically inspired
dissension has existed for many decades, the current situation, full of >>animosity and hatred started when Donald Trump walked down the golden >>escalator and announced his candidacy for POTUS. Since then, throughout
his term in office and to this day the division (which Walter claims
may lead to a Civil War) continues.
Before Trump, the country had elected Republicans and Democrats, often
with much debate and alliances but Trump's eventual election started
a whole new level of division that has pretty much erased any true
moderate or "centralist" beliefs. People today are either left or
right. There is no other option. If you don't hate Trump, you are
a Trumpster ... and a racist to boot.
Mrs. E.'s position is that the people elected him.
I think if the Republicans had nominated someone else who shared the
same policy views as Trump but was better equipped temperment-wise
to execute those policies, we would not have the ultra political
division that exists today.
I think Trump did many things that were in the best interests of the
USA. I can't say the same for the current crop of Democrats.
So, it's difficult to claim to be a "centralist" today.
The PBS show Frontline seemed to put the real divide at the election
of Obama but I think it goes back to Bush v Gore. There are still
plenty of Democrats who think Bush wasn't the legitimate president.
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