• What's all the fuss about?

    From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 09:46:34 2021
    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and
    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 11:38:47 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and
    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Fri Oct 22 14:39:35 2021
    "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> Wrote in message:r
    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reportingof any bank transactions of $600 or more.That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to$10,000 or more.Still, many are complaining.Fact is, transactions including deposits or
    withdrawals of$10k or more is already being reported and has been since1970.It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.So, why is all the fuss about?-- This email has
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    Just got a message from BOA. They have decided to limit
    transactions to $9,999.99. Slow Joe doesn't know who he's dealing
    with.
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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Fri Oct 22 16:05:56 2021
    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.

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  • From Alex@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Fri Oct 22 20:05:11 2021
    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to justan on Fri Oct 22 21:39:19 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:39:35 -0400 (EDT), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

    "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> Wrote in message:r
    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reportingof any bank transactions of $600 or more.That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to$10,000 or more.Still, many are complaining.Fact is, transactions including deposits or
    withdrawals of$10k or more is already being reported and has been since1970.It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.So, why is all the fuss about?-- This email has
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    Just got a message from BOA. They have decided to limit
    transactions to $9,999.99. Slow Joe doesn't know who he's dealing
    with.

    That will get pretty complicated if you are buying a house. I just
    wired 100 grand to a title company to bridge my FIL for a condo he is
    buying, so he wouldn't have to sell any investments and BoA didn't say anything. When he paid me back, I put it in the credit union tho. I am
    not thrilled with BoA after they closed the branch near me. I am
    drawing down my Suntrust account too, for the same reason.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to Alex on Fri Oct 22 21:45:49 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Alex on Sat Oct 23 07:05:46 2021
    On 10/22/2021 8:05 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 includes requirements of the bank to
    report wire transfers in excess of $10k. The customer doesn't
    do anything or report anything. The bank must report the transaction,
    the customer's name, address and social security number.

    This was originally set up with an anti-money laundering objective.
    What is new today is looking to see if taxes are owed to the IRS.

    It's going to be interesting this year. About a year ago I made a
    personal "loan" to someone who's business was being affected due to
    Covid. I was recently paid back in full. It wasn't a lot of money
    ($25K) but I am curious to see if the IRS will consider the
    repayment as "income" and try to tax me on it.



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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sat Oct 23 06:52:30 2021
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com> >>>> wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out. The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.



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  • From Alex@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Sat Oct 23 23:06:42 2021
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency
    and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the reporting, not the consumer.




    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to Alex on Sun Oct 24 02:37:42 2021
    On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 23:06:42 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.




    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.


    "Hookers and blow, buddy"! ;-)

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Alex on Sun Oct 24 07:56:58 2021
    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.


    a

    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    I just found a pretty good description of how the banks are required to
    report transactions of $10k or more to the IRS. They must report it
    within 15 days of the transaction and, according to the article, are
    supposed to notify you that a report has been filed.

    As I mentioned in another post, I've done many deposits or withdrawals
    over the years at several banks. Some have been simply withdrawing
    money on a bank check to purchase a vehicle and some were very large
    deposits (like when I sold my company). I've *never* been notified
    by any bank that a report of the transaction had been sent to the
    IRS although I am sure they did.

    Seems like banks follow the law in different ways.

    Here's a link to the referenced description:

    <https://www.mybanktracker.com/checking/faq/rules-deposit-10000-cash-check-271595>


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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to Alex on Sun Oct 24 07:41:28 2021
    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.




    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    Interesting. Over the years I've done many transactions, withdrawals,
    deposits and wire transfers in excess of $10k and the bank involved
    (there were several) never asked what the transaction was for nor did
    they fill out any paperwork while I was present.



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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 24 17:37:27 2021
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:56:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.


    a

    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    I just found a pretty good description of how the banks are required to >report transactions of $10k or more to the IRS. They must report it
    within 15 days of the transaction and, according to the article, are
    supposed to notify you that a report has been filed.

    As I mentioned in another post, I've done many deposits or withdrawals
    over the years at several banks. Some have been simply withdrawing
    money on a bank check to purchase a vehicle and some were very large
    deposits (like when I sold my company). I've *never* been notified
    by any bank that a report of the transaction had been sent to the
    IRS although I am sure they did.

    Seems like banks follow the law in different ways.

    Here's a link to the referenced description:

    <https://www.mybanktracker.com/checking/faq/rules-deposit-10000-cash-check-271595>

    It does seem like a great reason to have more than one bank.
    Put 8 grand or so in different banks and nothing will alert anyone as
    far as I know.

    OTOH my FIL just put $360k in the credit union, split between what he
    owed me (into my account) and the balance in his. We did it all at the
    kiosk in the lobby.

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  • From Mr. Luddite@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Mon Oct 25 07:46:38 2021
    On 10/24/2021 5:37 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:56:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting >>>>>>>>> of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to >>>>>>>>> $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was >>>>> reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it >>>>> was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.


    a

    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did
    it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    I just found a pretty good description of how the banks are required to
    report transactions of $10k or more to the IRS. They must report it
    within 15 days of the transaction and, according to the article, are
    supposed to notify you that a report has been filed.

    As I mentioned in another post, I've done many deposits or withdrawals
    over the years at several banks. Some have been simply withdrawing
    money on a bank check to purchase a vehicle and some were very large
    deposits (like when I sold my company). I've *never* been notified
    by any bank that a report of the transaction had been sent to the
    IRS although I am sure they did.

    Seems like banks follow the law in different ways.

    Here's a link to the referenced description:

    <https://www.mybanktracker.com/checking/faq/rules-deposit-10000-cash-check-271595>

    It does seem like a great reason to have more than one bank.
    Put 8 grand or so in different banks and nothing will alert anyone as
    far as I know.

    OTOH my FIL just put $360k in the credit union, split between what he
    owed me (into my account) and the balance in his. We did it all at the
    kiosk in the lobby.


    I am sure all this is reported but again, I've yet to be notified
    by any bank of a transaction report filed with the IRS over the last 21
    years. The year I sold the business there was a wire transferred
    deposit of big bucks to one of my accounts that was set up
    purposely to receive that money. Never heard anything from the
    bank about it. But, I can assure you my tax bill for that year
    was enough to make you gulp.

    For several years we held mortgages with two couples for homes that we
    sold them.

    Every year we paid taxes on the interest earned.
    Last March, (with my encouragement) both obtained regular mortgages
    or refinancing through banks and paid off their principle balances,
    totaling about $600k which was wire transferred to one of our banks.

    Never heard boo from the bank about reporting the transaction.


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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 25 14:40:05 2021
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 07:46:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/24/2021 5:37 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:56:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting >>>>>>>>>> of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to >>>>>>>>>> $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of >>>>>>>>>> $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency >>>>>>>>>> and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions >>>>>>>>>


    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not >>>>>>> for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was >>>>>> reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me >>>>>> where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it >>>>>> was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the >>>>>> recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.


    a

    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank did >>>> it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    I just found a pretty good description of how the banks are required to
    report transactions of $10k or more to the IRS. They must report it
    within 15 days of the transaction and, according to the article, are
    supposed to notify you that a report has been filed.

    As I mentioned in another post, I've done many deposits or withdrawals
    over the years at several banks. Some have been simply withdrawing
    money on a bank check to purchase a vehicle and some were very large
    deposits (like when I sold my company). I've *never* been notified
    by any bank that a report of the transaction had been sent to the
    IRS although I am sure they did.

    Seems like banks follow the law in different ways.

    Here's a link to the referenced description:

    <https://www.mybanktracker.com/checking/faq/rules-deposit-10000-cash-check-271595>

    It does seem like a great reason to have more than one bank.
    Put 8 grand or so in different banks and nothing will alert anyone as
    far as I know.

    OTOH my FIL just put $360k in the credit union, split between what he
    owed me (into my account) and the balance in his. We did it all at the
    kiosk in the lobby.


    I am sure all this is reported but again, I've yet to be notified
    by any bank of a transaction report filed with the IRS over the last 21 >years. The year I sold the business there was a wire transferred
    deposit of big bucks to one of my accounts that was set up
    purposely to receive that money. Never heard anything from the
    bank about it. But, I can assure you my tax bill for that year
    was enough to make you gulp.

    For several years we held mortgages with two couples for homes that we
    sold them.

    Every year we paid taxes on the interest earned.
    Last March, (with my encouragement) both obtained regular mortgages
    or refinancing through banks and paid off their principle balances,
    totaling about $600k which was wire transferred to one of our banks.

    Never heard boo from the bank about reporting the transaction.

    I didn't think the old law even applied to cashier's checks or wires.
    As I understood it this was just things that were otherwise hard to
    track like cash or checks made out to cash. Other than cash the bank
    had a lot of discretion over what they reported as suspicious
    activity.

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  • From Alex@21:1/5 to Mr. Luddite on Mon Oct 25 19:44:53 2021
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the
    Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but
    not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was
    reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it
    was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.




    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank
    did it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    Interesting.  Over the years I've done many transactions, withdrawals, deposits and wire transfers in excess of $10k and the bank involved
    (there were several) never asked what the transaction was for nor did
    they fill out any paperwork while I was present.




    It was $80K.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Alex on Tue Oct 26 00:46:55 2021
    Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/23/2021 11:06 PM, Alex wrote:
    Mr. Luddite wrote:
    On 10/22/2021 9:45 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
    <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting >>>>>>>>> of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to >>>>>>>>> $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the
    Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but >>>>>> not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    I have taken more than $10k out without any hassle but I know it was >>>>> reported by the bank. I didn't fill out any papers. Nobody asked me
    where it went either. In one case I bought a car, in another case it >>>>> was my pool, several contractors. All cash tho. This was before the
    recent change about 1099s tho (90s and 2000s). In the 2010s I was
    throwing around a lot of cash with my addition but I may not have
    taken >$10k at one time.


    There has never been any paperwork to fill out.  The bank does the
    reporting, not the consumer.




    You are correct that *I* didn't fill out the paperwork but the bank
    did it in front of me and asked what the purpose of the withdrawal was.

    Interesting.  Over the years I've done many transactions, withdrawals,
    deposits and wire transfers in excess of $10k and the bank involved
    (there were several) never asked what the transaction was for nor did
    they fill out any paperwork while I was present.




    It was $80K.


    It can be very screwy. In San Jose the Fed’s locked up the bank account
    of a Hispanic lady. She did about $8000 a week in cash transactions. Fed would not listen that it is a taco cart that is cash only. She can not
    pay her suppliers, or anything else. I think when this happens, the Fed’s should be criminally liable. And pay a penalty just like we do if we make
    a mistake. They said she had to be involved with drugs to deal in cash.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to Alex on Wed Oct 27 18:30:32 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:05:11 -0400, Alex <Xela777@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr. Luddite wrote:

    On 10/22/2021 11:38 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:46:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
    wrote:


    The Biden and the Democrats initially wanted an IRS reporting
    of any bank transactions of $600 or more.

    That raised such a fuss (justifiably) that they changed it to
    $10,000 or more.

    Still, many are complaining.

    Fact is, transactions including deposits or withdrawals of
    $10k or more is already being reported and has been since
    1970.

    It's a result of the Bank Secrecy Act, also known as the Currency and

    Foreign Transactions Reporting Act that was passed in 1970.

    So, why is all the fuss about?

    It used to be "cash transactions" now it is all transactions



    It covers other transactions as well; for example bank checks
    and money orders.


    I've had to fill out paperwork for cash transactions over $10K but not
    for wires or cashiers checks and some were over $100K.

    You don't have to fill it out for your 100 pennies.
    --
    Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet?


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